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Post by nathan on May 1, 2021 9:20:30 GMT -5
Yes, the victims did NOTHING wrong, they need to forgive the offenders... It's part of their lesson on this side of life to show the Spirit of Christ to those who harm them horribly.... like Jesus said before they were to crucify him on the Cross, " Father, forgive them..."
I have been there and done that! I left it in God's hands to deal with the offenders for me and He did, they were sent to prison for a long, long time.
Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
God will make them pay in this life or NEXT to come! if they did NOT repent of their sins. Our part on this side of life is to forgive our enemies/offenders like Jesus had done when he forgave his enemies and died for their sins to set them FREE from Hades/Hell. What a wonderful and a Savior Jesus God/Christ that we serve and worship. We must follow Jesus examples.
This is the very reason victims often turn their backs on the church and God. They have done nothing wrong so no, there is not any obligation for them to forgive the offender. It is placing conditions on them when they did nothing wrong in the first place. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. Expecting them to forgive is placing a burden on them. Saying you have been abused and forgave so others should too lacks compassion and understanding. If it worked for you then that is good but here are many variables such as severity of the abuse, age of the victim, hpw long it occurred, relationship to the victim etc. One size does not fit all. The Bible says Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones— who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” That is what Jesus says should happen not only to offenders but also to those who place added burdens on people which are often too big for them to bare causing them to turn from God. God does not forgive unrepented sin so why would we expect the victim / survivor to. They usually have no idea if the offender has repented or not and it's not the victims responsibility. It's between the offender and God not the offender and the victim. Forgiveness might occur for some but it certainly is not an expectation. Healing is, not forgiveness. God will Punish the unrepented sinners, and if the victims don't forgive their offenders they will find themselves like them outside of His kingdom according to Jesus teachings. God said Vengenence is MINE!
When we forgive others like Jesus has taught us, then we set us free from our own prison of hatred, regrets, sorrow from within. Leave it to God, He will deal with them accordingly.
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Post by Annan on May 1, 2021 9:59:50 GMT -5
God will Punish the unrepented sinners, and if the victims don't forgive their offenders they will find themselves like them outside of His kingdom according to Jesus teachings. God said Vengenence is MINE!
When we forgive others like Jesus has taught us, then we set us free from our own prison of hatred, regrets, sorrow from within. Leave it to God, He will deal with them accordingly. Doesn't sound like your god knows much about forgiveness himself, Nate.
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Post by openingact34 on May 1, 2021 11:13:39 GMT -5
Yes, the victims did NOTHING wrong, they need to forgive the offenders... It's part of their lesson on this side of life to show the Spirit of Christ to those who harm them horribly.... like Jesus said before they were to crucify him on the Cross, " Father, forgive them..."
I have been there and done that! I left it in God's hands to deal with the offenders for me and He did, they were sent to prison for a long, long time.
Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
God will make them pay in this life or NEXT to come! if they did NOT repent of their sins. Our part on this side of life is to forgive our enemies/offenders like Jesus had done when he forgave his enemies and died for their sins to set them FREE from Hades/Hell. What a wonderful and a Savior Jesus God/Christ that we serve and worship. We must follow Jesus examples.
This is the very reason victims often turn their backs on the church and God. They have done nothing wrong so no, there is not any obligation for them to forgive the offender. It is placing conditions on them when they did nothing wrong in the first place. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. Expecting them to forgive is placing a burden on them. Saying you have been abused and forgave so others should too lacks compassion and understanding. If it worked for you then that is good but here are many variables such as severity of the abuse, age of the victim, hpw long it occurred, relationship to the victim etc. One size does not fit all. The Bible says Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones— who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” That is what Jesus says should happen not only to offenders but also to those who place added burdens on people which are often too big for them to bare causing them to turn from God. God does not forgive unrepented sin so why would we expect the victim / survivor to. They usually have no idea if the offender has repented or not and it's not the victims responsibility. It's between the offender and God not the offender and the victim. Forgiveness might occur for some but it certainly is not an expectation. Healing is, not forgiveness. Matthew 18:6 is often misinterpreted and taken out of context. It is not about protecting children, but about Christian believers. In the preceding verses, Jesus says "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven" During the Transfiguration, Jesus appeared with Moses who had ordered "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31) Remember also that God slaughtered millions of children in the Flood and is going to massacre billions in the great winepress creating the river of blood before he tortures them with burning sulfur for all eternity. It would have been rather hypocritical for Jesus to preach the protection of children against this backdrop.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 1, 2021 17:50:41 GMT -5
This is the very reason victims often turn their backs on the church and God. They have done nothing wrong so no, there is not any obligation for them to forgive the offender. It is placing conditions on them when they did nothing wrong in the first place. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. Expecting them to forgive is placing a burden on them. Saying you have been abused and forgave so others should too lacks compassion and understanding. If it worked for you then that is good but here are many variables such as severity of the abuse, age of the victim, hpw long it occurred, relationship to the victim etc. One size does not fit all. The Bible says Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones— who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” That is what Jesus says should happen not only to offenders but also to those who place added burdens on people which are often too big for them to bare causing them to turn from God. God does not forgive unrepented sin so why would we expect the victim / survivor to. They usually have no idea if the offender has repented or not and it's not the victims responsibility. It's between the offender and God not the offender and the victim. Forgiveness might occur for some but it certainly is not an expectation. Healing is, not forgiveness. do you think this verse is made up or something else? Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. there are other verses that may bring balance to it but its hard to ignore or spin it. i never forgave my father his extreme violence never saw him again till he was in his casket 31 years later. now i am SOL. sure i can forgive a memory of him now but don't think that is the point of that verse. something was missed. Forgiving is not forgetting. Forgiving is like remembering that hot stoves are not there to be touched. They are to be left at a distance for whatever good that they can be -- or avoided with as little malice as can be accomplished. Outside of temporal law, vengeance "is the Lord's".
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:19:22 GMT -5
do you think this verse is made up or something else? Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. there are other verses that may bring balance to it but its hard to ignore or spin it. i never forgave my father his extreme violence never saw him again till he was in his casket 31 years later. now i am SOL. sure i can forgive a memory of him now but don't think that is the point of that verse. something was missed. Forgiving is not forgetting. Forgiving is like remembering that hot stoves are not there to be touched. They are to be left at a distance for whatever good that they can be -- or avoided with as little malice as can be accomplished. Outside of temporal law, vengeance "is the Lord's". agreed, forgetting for humans is not an option and tends to lead to repeats of similar problems or dangers. however there are 2 verses that suggest we do forget at least some things but would not necessarily apply in the case of pedos. one verse says to forget your misery in the OT the other says forgetting those things which are behind in the NT...every case would be different though... in the end though only God has the power to "forget" our sins IF we repent of them...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 1, 2021 19:21:44 GMT -5
Latest example this is not his first time either
Forgive yes , for our sanity but most never forget
Does/or can a leopard ever change it spots ?
Ultra religious family '19 Kids and Counting' star Josh Duggar arrested, indicted on child pornography charges . Josh and he has many nieces and nephews . Expecting his 7th child . Josh Duggar arrested, indicted on child pornography charges . Started sexually abusing in his teens . Rehabilitation for these people doesn’t work .
Former reality TV star Joshua Duggar has been arrested on federal charges related to the possession of child pornography, according to the US Attorney's Office in the Western District of Arkansas. Duggar allegedly downloaded material that depicted the sexual abuse of children under the age of 12, the US attorney's office said in a statement. Duggar allegedly possessed the material in May 2019. Duggar, the oldest son of Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar, whose family was the subject of the TLC show "19 Kids and Counting," faces two charges, the indictment shows -- one count of receipt of child pornography and one count of possession of child pornography. He faces up to 20 years in prison and fines of up to $250,000 if convicted, the statement said.
Jinger Duggar Vuolo Says She’s ‘Disturbed’ By Child Porn Charges Against Brother Josh Duggar
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Post by nathan on May 1, 2021 23:12:46 GMT -5
God will Punish the unrepented sinners, and if the victims don't forgive their offenders they will find themselves like them outside of His kingdom according to Jesus teachings. God said Vengenence is MINE!
When we forgive others like Jesus has taught us, then we set us free from our own prison of hatred, regrets, sorrow from within. Leave it to God, He will deal with them accordingly. Doesn't sound like your god knows much about forgiveness himself, Nate. God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 2, 2021 1:43:31 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like your god knows much about forgiveness himself, Nate. God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
See that raises a few more points that have me flummoxed. God sent his only son to die for us. First point, we are all gods children, so why was Jesus referred to as his only son? The next part, everyone always claims that Jesus died for our sins, however if he died, he wouldn't have risen again several days later. Let's call it something else, because death isn't a temporary situation that you get over with a few days rest. I appreciate that "Jesus went into a four day coma from blood loss & heat exhaustion for our sins" dosent have quite the same ring to it.
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Post by nathan on May 2, 2021 9:15:25 GMT -5
God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
1) See that raises a few more points that have me flummoxed. God sent his only son to die for us. First point, we are all gods children, so why was Jesus referred to as his only son? ~~ Yes, God and Christ created Adam and Eve in their image and in their Likeness. Jesus said, "Ye are gods!" but in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve sold their god-likeness or Immortality to the Satan/Serpent when they disobeyed God instructions by eating the forbidden fruit that is to side/partake with Satan instead eating/partake side with Christ/the tree of LIFE.
After Adam and Eve had sinned, they were cast out of paradise and no longer were the children of God but become the children of Satan. In Genesis 3:15 Adam and Eve repented of their sins so, God promised to send Christ/Son to die for theirs and our sins and to Crush/Defeat Satan/king and god on earth and to take the KEY of Death/Hade from him, where he holds the sinners humans souls inside the earth to the time of judgment day.
Christ is the ONLY Son of God and that God the Father and the Holy Spirit whom they begotten/created Jesus the Son of God and Man that came down from heaven. The humans= Adam and Eve were created from the dust of the ground on earth/paradise to Rule over their Creation.
2000 years ago, Jesus said to John the apostle in Rev. 1:17-18 When I saw him/Jesus, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
Christ/God the Son came down from heaven to RESTORE the god-likeness in the humans which God the Father and Christ had given Adam, Eve and their children in the Garden of Eden so, they can rule and reign with Him when he returns to earth and the Universe as King of kings and LORD of Lord for 1000 years.
2) The next part, everyone always claims that Jesus died for our sins, however if he died, he wouldn't have risen again several days later. Let's call it something else, because death isn't a temporary situation that you get over with a few days rest. I appreciate that "Jesus went into a four day coma from blood loss & heat exhaustion for our sins" doesn't have quite the same ring to it. Jesus death on Calvary's Cross was the ransom priced that God the Father required of Him to pay for the sins of humanity. In order for the fallen humans to enter heaven, Christ/God the man Jesus had to died the First/natural death and Second/Spiritual Death for them on Calvary's.
Jesus the son of man actually died and His death paid for the ransom of ALL fallen humanity sins starting with Adam, Eve to the time of His 2nd coming back to earth so after the 3rd day. God the Father raised Jesus up from the grave and give the humans back their Immortality/God likeness or Image, this way they can enter heaven AFTER death and Rule with God the Son. That was God the Father and Christ plan before the foundation of the World.
After death Jesus Spirit went down to inner earth/Hades, he took the KEY of death from Satan to RELEASE all prisoners souls from the Old and New Testament souls, which had stayed there since the death of Adam and Eve.
Now, as believers in Christ Jesus/the New Testament covenant, our souls are no longer go to hades after death like those under the Old Testament time but our souls teleport to heaven to be with God the Father and Christ waiting there to the time when God give us the new resurrection bodies so, we can DEFEAT Satan the god of this world and his evil rulers children/Illuminati or Cain's descendants on earth.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 11:57:30 GMT -5
God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
See that raises a few more points that have me flummoxed. God sent his only son to die for us. First point, we are all gods children, so why was Jesus referred to as his only son? The next part, everyone always claims that Jesus died for our sins, however if he died, he wouldn't have risen again several days later. Let's call it something else, because death isn't a temporary situation that you get over with a few days rest. I appreciate that "Jesus went into a four day coma from blood loss & heat exhaustion for our sins" dosent have quite the same ring to it. the difference is we are his human children. Christ was his divine and human child.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 7, 2021 0:13:55 GMT -5
I appreciate this is an old post, I did a search after reading the "Noel Tanner Dog Food Salesman" thread. I think you must have missed the bit in the Bible about homosexuality. Based on that, im not sure anyone is going to be hanging with him in heaven. Whether he said he repented or not, he went to his grave desiring to fiddle young males, as there is no cure for that kind of thing. I hope and pray that Noel T. had repented of his sins to God before he died or he will find himself outside of God's kingdom. God and Christ will give Noel T. a new Nature of Christ after death, his former life of sins on earth will be forgotten and buried in the sea of God forgetfulness.
Your post shows how shallow and pathetic you are. There is no mention of the victims, no concern on your part. You are typical worker, even if you are a very ex worker you show all the hallmarks of the nastiness of your church.
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Post by dogsdinner on May 7, 2022 10:56:57 GMT -5
I have read in the WINGS site that Noel Tanner has died.
May I first offer my condolences to his family (if he has any)
I noticed also that everything was private and wonder was this because he had turned atheist.
I like others would hope that the workers would have steered clear of any funeral service.
If not it would not only once more victimise his victims. It would make any sympathy or pity for his victims a web of ~~~~~~~~
Does anybody know how the funeral went or who if any held a service.
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Post by dogsdinner on May 7, 2022 11:02:04 GMT -5
noel tanner may be gone but his victims still suffer on and families destroyed and needing counselling he was banned from meetings but the workers buried a paedophile
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Post by chimpingtongb on Jun 14, 2022 7:21:50 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like your god knows much about forgiveness himself, Nate. God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
Why are you such a self righteous prick.
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Post by nathan on Jun 14, 2022 9:11:48 GMT -5
God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
Why are you such a self righteous prick. And WHY, are you being so mean and having a NASTY spirit?
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Post by mountain on Jul 1, 2022 8:45:00 GMT -5
See that raises a few more points that have me flummoxed. God sent his only son to die for us. First point, we are all gods children, so why was Jesus referred to as his only son? The next part, everyone always claims that Jesus died for our sins, however if he died, he wouldn't have risen again several days later. Let's call it something else, because death isn't a temporary situation that you get over with a few days rest. I appreciate that "Jesus went into a four day coma from blood loss & heat exhaustion for our sins" dosent have quite the same ring to it. the difference is we are his human children. Christ was his divine and human child. Every child of God has the ability to possess the divine nature, not just Jesus. (Virgs)
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Post by mountain on Jul 1, 2022 9:03:25 GMT -5
God the Father forgives our sins by sending His ONLY begotten Son/God Christ Jesus to DIE for us on Calvary's. When we accept and believe in Jesus death/Atonement on Calvary's then After death We are set FREE from going to Hades and Hell= Everlasting Fire or the Second Death. ALL of our sins God the Father forgives and cast it in the sea of forgetfulness because Jesus took our all of our sins on Himself at the Cross.
To those who deny, refuse to BELIEVE in God's ETERNAL LIFE gift through His Son/Christ God then they will face the WRATH of the Lamb when He returns to RULE as King of kings and LORD of Lord.
See that raises a few more points that have me flummoxed. God sent his only son to die for us. First point, we are all gods children, so why was Jesus referred to as his only son? The next part, everyone always claims that Jesus died for our sins, however if he died, he wouldn't have risen again several days later. Let's call it something else, because death isn't a temporary situation that you get over with a few days rest. I appreciate that "Jesus went into a four day coma from blood loss & heat exhaustion for our sins" dosent have quite the same ring to it. Try inserting the word 'begotten' between 'only son' to answer your question. However, you are right n that God our creator, is 'Our Father, which art in Heaven.' Usually the terms sons and daughters of God refer to those special people who are following God's will for their lives. Through doing this we are adopted into his family. Those who do not follow Jesus have the devil as their father. (Virgs)
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