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Post by irishman on Feb 5, 2020 9:19:13 GMT -5
I have read in the WINGS site that Noel Tanner has died.
May I first offer my condolences to his family (if he has any)
I noticed also that everything was private and wonder was this because he had turned atheist.
I like others would hope that the workers would have steered clear of any funeral service.
If not it would not only once more victimise his victims. It would make any sympathy or pity for his victims a web of ~~~~~~~~
Does anybody know how the funeral went or who if any held a service.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 5, 2020 19:07:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect any of his victims to even go to his funeral. Wouldn't the workers care enough for his surviving family to be there?
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Post by irishman on Feb 6, 2020 10:52:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect any of his victims to be there nor would I expect the workers to be there. This is a man who brought the 2x2's in to disrepute and has left behind many victims I once heard he was not allowed at any meetings or to be a member. So why should they be there. His victims suffer on, some in therapy, lives shattered, wives and families suffering too. His family know what he did, know he was banned, so why should they expect the workers to be there? As I've already said, if they did attend it makes their sympathy and pity for the victims very shallow, just a web of dis~~~~~~~~
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 7, 2020 10:24:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect any of his victims to be there nor would I expect the workers to be there. This is a man who brought the 2x2's in to disrepute and has left behind many victims I once heard he was not allowed at any meetings or to be a member. So why should they be there. His victims suffer on, some in therapy, lives shattered, wives and families suffering too. His family know what he did, know he was banned, so why should they expect the workers to be there? As I've already said, if they did attend it makes their sympathy and pity for the victims very shallow, just a web of dis~~~~~~~~ I couldn't agree more Irishman. Noel Tanner has left so many ruined lives and homes behind him, and the workers are aware of this. They have, I believe offered an apology, to some of the victims for the way they handled things regarding him. If they have set one foot at a funeral service for him, which anyway was strictly private, they should hang their heads in shame. Somebody knows details about his burial but aren't posting it here. Is there something to hide? Silence speaks volumes.
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Post by iam on Feb 16, 2020 0:12:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he repented?
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2020 10:42:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he repented? You can ask him when you see in heaven.
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Post by iam on Feb 16, 2020 16:04:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he repented? You can ask him when you see in heaven.Luke 18:11-13 KJV The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
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Post by irishman on Feb 17, 2020 10:25:30 GMT -5
Well surprised if he did that no charges were brought against him for all the boys he had assaulted when in the work. I am talking about many boys who have grown in to broken men that he was more than aware of their state. Owning up to what he did meant putting things right by the law of the land which he had years to do, not just making excuses for not doing so. Why was he barred from all meetings if he had put things right with the law and had repented. He wasn't willing to go to the Gardaí and own up.
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Post by rjkee on Feb 18, 2020 4:02:10 GMT -5
As far as I am aware, I am the only victim with 2x2 associations who has reported Tanner’s activities to the police. In 2016, he was tried for abusing me and entered a guilty plea. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and served 6 months. At the time, I thought my actions would prompt other victims to report him, and I thought it would be likely that he’d face further charges. However, it appears that no other victims came forward.
Robert
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Post by snow on Feb 18, 2020 16:59:35 GMT -5
As far as I am aware, I am the only victim with 2x2 associations who has reported Tanner’s activities to the police. In 2016, he was tried for abusing me and entered a guilty plea. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and served 6 months. At the time, I thought my actions would prompt other victims to report him, and I thought it would be likely that he’d face further charges. However, it appears that no other victims came forward. Robert That hardly seems like much time for something like abuse. People charged with having drugs in their possession get more time than abusers. That's just messed up imo.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 28, 2021 16:29:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he repented? You can ask him when you see in heaven.I appreciate this is an old post, I did a search after reading the "Noel Tanner Dog Food Salesman" thread. I think you must have missed the bit in the Bible about homosexuality. Based on that, im not sure anyone is going to be hanging with him in heaven. Wether he said he repented or not, he went to his grave desiring to fiddle young males, as there is no cure for that kind of thing.
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Post by nathan on Apr 28, 2021 22:22:52 GMT -5
You can ask him when you see in heaven. I appreciate this is an old post, I did a search after reading the "Noel Tanner Dog Food Salesman" thread. I think you must have missed the bit in the Bible about homosexuality. Based on that, im not sure anyone is going to be hanging with him in heaven. Whether he said he repented or not, he went to his grave desiring to fiddle young males, as there is no cure for that kind of thing. I hope and pray that Noel T. had repented of his sins to God before he died or he will find himself outside of God's kingdom. God and Christ will give Noel T. a new Nature of Christ after death, his former life of sins on earth will be forgotten and buried in the sea of God forgetfulness.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2021 1:49:02 GMT -5
I appreciate this is an old post, I did a search after reading the "Noel Tanner Dog Food Salesman" thread. I think you must have missed the bit in the Bible about homosexuality. Based on that, im not sure anyone is going to be hanging with him in heaven. Whether he said he repented or not, he went to his grave desiring to fiddle young males, as there is no cure for that kind of thing. I hope and pray that Noel T. had repented of his sins to God before he died or he will find himself outside of God's kingdom. God and Christ will give Noel T. a new Nature of Christ after death, his former life of sins on earth will be forgotten and buried in the sea of God forgetfulness.
Why do you hope and pray that? Hell is there for fagg.ots like him for a very valid reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 2:02:05 GMT -5
I hope and pray that Noel T. had repented of his sins to God before he died or he will find himself outside of God's kingdom. God and Christ will give Noel T. a new Nature of Christ after death, his former life of sins on earth will be forgotten and buried in the sea of God forgetfulness.
Why do you hope and pray that? He'll is there for fagg.ots like him for a very valid reason. ummm should we be lumping in f@gs with pedos?
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2021 2:25:31 GMT -5
Why do you hope and pray that? He'll is there for fagg.ots like him for a very valid reason. ummm should we be lumping in f@gs with pedos? Seems he was both
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Post by nathan on Apr 29, 2021 8:52:18 GMT -5
I hope and pray that Noel T. had repented of his sins to God before he died or he will find himself outside of God's kingdom. God and Christ will give Noel T. a new Nature of Christ after death, his former life of sins on earth will be forgotten and buried in the sea of God forgetfulness.
Why do you hope and pray that? Hell is there for fagg.ots like him for a very valid reason. You, myself and 100% of the humans are SINNERS, fagg.ots, Pedos all will end up in HELL/Hades after death. Thanks, to Jesus who had died for our sins on Calvary's Cross so, we as believers in Christ will NOT end up in Hell but heaven. If you and I are NOT born again of Christ's Spirit and repent of our daily sins here on earth we will end up in Hell/Hades with the fagg.ots and Pedos.
Rev. 21:1-8 Then I/John the apostle saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
~~ Repentance is NOT just one time thing when we profess in the gospel meetings but a daily thing to ask God and Christ to forgive our sins. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us every day when we confess our sins to the Father and Christ.
To the Christians John the apostle wrote in I John 2:1-5 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -5
I take exception to your first line, and only speaking for myself, im certainly not a fag.got or a pedo, and while I'm certainly no expert in these matters, I thought praying for his victims would have been closer to the mark. And this whole daily repentance bit, when people have in the back of their mind that there going to repent just prior to bedtime, ive discovered that it causes those people to do all kinds of awful practices to their clients and staff during the business day prior. If you inadvertently employ a "christian" tradesman, you're likely in for a rough ride one way or another. It does seem a bit odd, that so long as we confess our sins, we get off the hook for them. Wouldn't it be preferable to not commit those sins in the first instance? I'm not talking about those odball sins, like breathing etc, im talking about proper premeditated fraudulent behavour & business practices, for example charging someone for two coats of paint on their house, when only putting on one.
Ps, how do you "unlike your own post when you accidently hit the wrong button?
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Post by matisse on Apr 29, 2021 17:52:17 GMT -5
I take exception to your first line, and only speaking for myself, im certainly not a fag.got or a pedo, and while I'm certainly no expert in these matters, I thought praying for his victims would have been closer to the mark. And this whole daily repentance bit, when people have in the back of their mind that there going to repent just prior to bedtime, ive discovered that it causes those people to do all kinds of awful practices to their clients and staff during the business day prior. If you inadvertently employ a "christian" tradesman, you're likely in for a rough ride one way or another. It does seem a bit odd, that so long as we confess our sins, we get off the hook for them. Wouldn't it be preferable to not commit those sins in the first instance? I'm not talking about those odball sins, like breathing etc, im talking about proper premeditated fraudulent behavour & business practices, for example charging someone for two coats of paint on their house, when only putting on one. Ps, how do you "unlike your own post when you accidently hit the wrong button? Hit the like icon a second time and it will toggle off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 18:11:59 GMT -5
I take exception to your first line, and only speaking for myself, im certainly not a fag.got or a pedo, and while I'm certainly no expert in these matters, I thought praying for his victims would have been closer to the mark. And this whole daily repentance bit, when people have in the back of their mind that there going to repent just prior to bedtime, ive discovered that it causes those people to do all kinds of awful practices to their clients and staff during the business day prior. If you inadvertently employ a "christian" tradesman, you're likely in for a rough ride one way or another. It does seem a bit odd, that so long as we confess our sins, we get off the hook for them. Wouldn't it be preferable to not commit those sins in the first instance? I'm not talking about those odball sins, like breathing etc, im talking about proper premeditated fraudulent behavour & business practices, for example charging someone for two coats of paint on their house, when only putting on one. Ps, how do you "unlike your own post when you accidently hit the wrong button? never fear God knows what is going on... luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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Post by nathan on Apr 29, 2021 21:33:06 GMT -5
I take exception to your first line, and only speaking for myself, im certainly not a fag.got or a pedo, and while I'm certainly no expert in these matters, I thought praying for his victims would have been closer to the mark. ~~ I didn't call you a fag.got or Pedo, but you and I will end UP in the same place as them IF we don't REPENT of our sins, such as lying, bad thoughts, swearing, take a hand soap at the hotel and so on.
And this whole daily repentance bit, when people have in the back of their mind that there going to repent just prior to bedtime, ive discovered that it causes those people to do all kinds of awful practices to their clients and staff during the business day prior. If you inadvertently employ a "christian" tradesman, you're likely in for a rough ride one way or another. It does seem a bit odd, that so long as we confess our sins, we get off the hook for them. Wouldn't it be preferable to not commit those sins in the first instance? ~~ We are sinners through the seeds of Adam and Eve sins and disobedience to God and Christ in the Garden of Eden. We are sinners and we/Christians are prone, and continue to sins until the day we die. God Did NOT allow Adam, Eve and all of their humans sinners children ENTER heaven AFTER death because He does NOT want the spirits of Satan in us to enter heaven. We will ruin and cause chaos in heaven with the spirits of disobedience.
Therefore, Jesus said to the sinners humans 2000 years ago, "Ye must be born again of my Spirit to Enter the kingdom of heaven." Our mean, nasty, disobedience spirits can't live in heaven, Jesus came down from heaven to RESTORE the Child-like Spirit of God in us/believers, which Adam and Eve had before the FALL.
I'm not talking about those odball sins, like breathing etc, im talking about proper premeditated fraudulent behavour & business practices, for example charging someone for two coats of paint on their house, when only putting on one. In God's eyes Pedos, homosexuals, prostitutes, and lying, bad thoughts, unforgiveness, are the same sins so, we must die and can't be allowed to enter heaven as we are sinners. We need to believe in Jesus who died for us on Calvary's to live in heaven.
Ps, how do you "unlike your own post when you accidently hit the wrong button? Just click on the likes button again. I know what you are saying in your posts and I agree. I wish Noel T. had have written a letter of apology and ask for forgiveness to his victims so, they too can close that horrible chapter in their lives and move on.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 30, 2021 16:45:48 GMT -5
In absence of him begging all his victims for fogiveness, I'd suggest nobody is going to be catching up with him in heaven. Asking God for forgiveness & asking the victims for forgiveness go hand in hand, and just asking God is a total cop out.
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Post by Grant on Apr 30, 2021 18:44:34 GMT -5
In absence of him begging all his victims for fogiveness, I'd suggest nobody is going to be catching up with him in heaven. Asking God for forgiveness & asking the victims for forgiveness go hand in hand, and just asking God is a total cop out. Please reassess what you wrote. One of the things when working with offenders is that they have no right to ask the victim for forgiveness. That is just passing the responsibility onto the victim by asking for their forgiveness. The offender has taken enough from the victim and has no right to ask for more from them. An apology in the deepest form is one thing, asking for forgiveness is another.
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Post by nathan on Apr 30, 2021 21:19:22 GMT -5
In absence of him begging all his victims for fogiveness, I'd suggest nobody is going to be catching up with him in heaven. Asking God for forgiveness & asking the victims for forgiveness go hand in hand, and just asking God is a total cop out. We have discussed this similar topic in the past, many of the victims don't want to hear or see their abusers in this life time. I say get right with God first and to ask Him and Christ for forgiveness in hurting/cause harms to others and all of his sins are the MOST important thing. Ask/plead with God to give/grant the victims the strength to overcome all of their obstacles and challenges in life.
Hopefully, in heaven both victims and abusers make it up and forgive one another face to face because Christ died for both of their sins.
I have some workers who offended me, and made my life a living hell that I will see face to face and I must forgive them. I too have offended others so, they will forgive me also.
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Post by Grant on Apr 30, 2021 23:35:54 GMT -5
In absence of him begging all his victims for fogiveness, I'd suggest nobody is going to be catching up with him in heaven. Asking God for forgiveness & asking the victims for forgiveness go hand in hand, and just asking God is a total cop out. We have discussed this similar topic in the past, many of the victims don't want to hear or see their abusers in this life time. I say get right with God first and to ask Him and Christ for forgiveness in hurting/cause harms to others and all of his sins are the MOST important thing. Ask/plead with God to give/grant the victims the strength to overcome all of their obstacles and challenges in life.
Hopefully, in heaven both victims and abusers make it up and forgive one another face to face because Christ died for both of their sins.
I have some workers who offended me, and made my life a living hell that I will see face to face and I must forgive them. I too have offended others so, they will forgive me also.What do you think the victim has done that they need the offender to forgive them for? The victim did nothing wrong to the offender to be forgiven for.
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Post by nathan on May 1, 2021 0:06:37 GMT -5
We have discussed this similar topic in the past, many of the victims don't want to hear or see their abusers in this life time. I say get right with God first and to ask Him and Christ for forgiveness in hurting/cause harms to others and all of his sins are the MOST important thing. Ask/plead with God to give/grant the victims the strength to overcome all of their obstacles and challenges in life.
Hopefully, in heaven both victims and abusers make it up and forgive one another face to face because Christ died for both of their sins.
I have some workers who offended me, and made my life a living hell that I will see face to face and I must forgive them. I too have offended others so, they will forgive me also. What do you think the victim has done that they need the offender to forgive them for? The victim did nothing wrong to the offender to be forgiven for. Yes, the victims did NOTHING wrong, they need to forgive the offenders... It's part of their lesson on this side of life to show the Spirit of Christ to those who harm them horribly.... like Jesus said before they were to crucify him on the Cross, " Father, forgive them..."
I have been there and done that! I left it in God's hands to deal with the offenders for me and He did, they were sent to prison for a long, long time.
Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
God will make them pay in this life or NEXT to come! if they did NOT repent of their sins. Our part on this side of life is to forgive our enemies/offenders like Jesus had done when he forgave his enemies and died for their sins to set them FREE from Hades/Hell. What a wonderful and a Savior Jesus God/Christ that we serve and worship. We must follow Jesus examples.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 1, 2021 2:08:24 GMT -5
In absence of him begging all his victims for fogiveness, I'd suggest nobody is going to be catching up with him in heaven. Asking God for forgiveness & asking the victims for forgiveness go hand in hand, and just asking God is a total cop out. Please reassess what you wrote. One of the things when working with offenders is that they have no right to ask the victim for forgiveness. That is just passing the responsibility onto the victim by asking for their forgiveness. The offender has taken enough from the victim and has no right to ask for more from them. An apology in the deepest form is one thing, asking for forgiveness is another. I fully agree with you, a totally different take on my initial instincts on the topic, but completely correct. Why would you ever want to see the sicko that destroyed your innocence ever again, let alone be expected to forgive him.
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Post by Grant on May 1, 2021 4:42:57 GMT -5
What do you think the victim has done that they need the offender to forgive them for? The victim did nothing wrong to the offender to be forgiven for. Yes, the victims did NOTHING wrong, they need to forgive the offenders... It's part of their lesson on this side of life to show the Spirit of Christ to those who harm them horribly.... like Jesus said before they were to crucify him on the Cross, " Father, forgive them..."
I have been there and done that! I left it in God's hands to deal with the offenders for me and He did, they were sent to prison for a long, long time.
Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
God will make them pay in this life or NEXT to come! if they did NOT repent of their sins. Our part on this side of life is to forgive our enemies/offenders like Jesus had done when he forgave his enemies and died for their sins to set them FREE from Hades/Hell. What a wonderful and a Savior Jesus God/Christ that we serve and worship. We must follow Jesus examples.
This is the very reason victims often turn their backs on the church and God. They have done nothing wrong so no, there is not any obligation for them to forgive the offender. It is placing conditions on them when they did nothing wrong in the first place. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. Expecting them to forgive is placing a burden on them. Saying you have been abused and forgave so others should too lacks compassion and understanding. If it worked for you then that is good but here are many variables such as severity of the abuse, age of the victim, hpw long it occurred, relationship to the victim etc. One size does not fit all. The Bible says Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones— who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” That is what Jesus says should happen not only to offenders but also to those who place added burdens on people which are often too big for them to bare causing them to turn from God. God does not forgive unrepented sin so why would we expect the victim / survivor to. They usually have no idea if the offender has repented or not and it's not the victims responsibility. It's between the offender and God not the offender and the victim. Forgiveness might occur for some but it certainly is not an expectation. Healing is, not forgiveness.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 6:43:42 GMT -5
Yes, the victims did NOTHING wrong, they need to forgive the offenders... It's part of their lesson on this side of life to show the Spirit of Christ to those who harm them horribly.... like Jesus said before they were to crucify him on the Cross, " Father, forgive them..."
I have been there and done that! I left it in God's hands to deal with the offenders for me and He did, they were sent to prison for a long, long time.
Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
God will make them pay in this life or NEXT to come! if they did NOT repent of their sins. Our part on this side of life is to forgive our enemies/offenders like Jesus had done when he forgave his enemies and died for their sins to set them FREE from Hades/Hell. What a wonderful and a Savior Jesus God/Christ that we serve and worship. We must follow Jesus examples.
This is the very reason victims often turn their backs on the church and God. They have done nothing wrong so no, there is not any obligation for them to forgive the offender. It is placing conditions on them when they did nothing wrong in the first place. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. Expecting them to forgive is placing a burden on them. Saying you have been abused and forgave so others should too lacks compassion and understanding. If it worked for you then that is good but here are many variables such as severity of the abuse, age of the victim, hpw long it occurred, relationship to the victim etc. One size does not fit all. The Bible says Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones— who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” That is what Jesus says should happen not only to offenders but also to those who place added burdens on people which are often too big for them to bare causing them to turn from God. God does not forgive unrepented sin so why would we expect the victim / survivor to. They usually have no idea if the offender has repented or not and it's not the victims responsibility. It's between the offender and God not the offender and the victim. Forgiveness might occur for some but it certainly is not an expectation. Healing is, not forgiveness. do you think this verse is made up or something else? Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. there are other verses that may bring balance to it but its hard to ignore or spin it. i never forgave my father his extreme violence never saw him again till he was in his casket 31 years later. now i am SOL. sure i can forgive a memory of him now but don't think that is the point of that verse. something was missed.
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