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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:42:05 GMT -5
Why, do you ALWAYS post question that make no sense? talking to you like pull teeth=root canal out of your mouth with plain pliers! Do you like to trap and trip people up with your going nowhere questions, like the Pharisees in Jesus days. Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean my question doesn't make sense. Are you serious, I have been watching and reading your posts for years with others people on here! THEY are scratching their heads sometimes, you don't want people to PIN you down if you just say things don't MAKE any sense!
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:42:43 GMT -5
Well I guess you need that story otherwise the 2x2 is a lie. Stop making stuff up. Chuck, the 70 were disciples/followers but Jesus had chosen them to be His apostles/preachers and teachers. Did you know the word apostle means SENT forth just like the 12 in Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
So, Chuck Jesus sent= apostles sent other seventy and Barnabas was one of the 70 that took Paul in the ministry Acts 11:25
Do you believe there were ONLY 12 apostles that Jesus sent out, Chuck?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 0:44:52 GMT -5
Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean my question doesn't make sense. Are you serious, I have been watching and reading your posts for years with others people on here! THEY are scratching their heads sometimes, you don't want people to PIN you down if you just say things don't MAKE any sense!Don't worry. When I find out who changes something, I'll tell you about it.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:45:11 GMT -5
12 apostles also 70 more....read your bible... Only 12 were designated apostles. Stop making stuff up. How about Matthias in Acts 1 who replaced Judas. And How about Barnabas and Paul? Weren't they called apostles?
You need to read your Bible more carefully, Chuck.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:47:11 GMT -5
Are you serious, I have been watching and reading your posts for years with others people on here! THEY are scratching their heads sometimes, you don't want people to PIN you down if you just say things don't MAKE any sense! Don't worry. When I find out who changes something, I'll tell you about it. DON'T bother, BobW. I will go back and put you on ignore list once again for a long time. I am not going to waste my time and energy with you.... Go merry round, go to nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:48:12 GMT -5
when it says also in chapter 10....and the following verses in chapter 10....read your bible.... Your making stuff up wally. i think thats your realm of expertise not mine JW....
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:51:43 GMT -5
Your making stuff up wally. i think thats your realm of expertise not mine JW.... Chuck tries to TEACH scriptures/doctrines to people, which he doesn't have a full knowledge and understanding the things he speaks of... and it shows by accusing you and me making stuff up! That is so pathetic, when he can't answer the questions I asked of him.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 0:53:40 GMT -5
Don't worry. When I find out who changes something, I'll tell you about it. DON'T bother, BobW. I will go back and put you on ignore list once again for a long time. I am not going to waste my time and energy with you.... Go merry round and nowhere.hahahahaha
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 0:56:54 GMT -5
i think thats your realm of expertise not mine JW.... Chuck tries to TEACH scriptures/doctrines to people, which he doesn't have a full knowledge and understanding the things he speaks of... and it shows by accusing you and me making stuff up! That is so pathetic, when he can't answer the questions I asked of him.Maybe he knows something you don't know. You don't know the answer to my question either.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:03:25 GMT -5
Salvation isn’t given by the ministry.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ In the Bible, many verses explain what God did through His love for us. Below are several references telling the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. “The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:16–17). “God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). “The kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior” (Titus 3:4–6). When you believe on Jesus Christ, accepting God’s gift of salvation, you are justified (declared free of the guilt and penalty of sin) before God because of what Jesus has done. God forgives you of all of your sins. Your relationship with God is restored; you become His child. (See I John 3:8–10.) You are redeemed from the bondage to sin and will spend eternity in heaven with God. (See Romans 6:22.) It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me."It’s still about Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ. Paul said “the ministry of reconciliation “. That means they’re to tell the gospel story of Jesus Christ who has died for our sins and has been resurrected and is alive in heaven interceding for our part. They are “ambassadors” for Jesus Christ they are not the means by which salvation is secured or given. They only tell about who is the Saviour. Yes! They play an important part in the telling of the gospel but they are not the vital person of salvation. Reason? People not of ministry have told the gospel story and people have learned the gospel story through reading the Bible. In biblical times, preaching was the ONLY way that people had to learn the gospel story SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE WASNT A Bible READILY AVAILABLE to every single person. Not even real rich people could obtain bibles.
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Post by Grant on Jan 13, 2020 1:06:06 GMT -5
Salvation isn’t given by the ministry.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ In the Bible, many verses explain what God did through His love for us. Below are several references telling the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. “The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:16–17). “God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). “The kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior” (Titus 3:4–6). When you believe on Jesus Christ, accepting God’s gift of salvation, you are justified (declared free of the guilt and penalty of sin) before God because of what Jesus has done. God forgives you of all of your sins. Your relationship with God is restored; you become His child. (See I John 3:8–10.) You are redeemed from the bondage to sin and will spend eternity in heaven with God. (See Romans 6:22.) It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me."So the ministry doesn't save us, belief in Jesus does. The apostles bought the message but it did not save the people, believing in Jesus did. Since when did believing in men save anyone, believing what they preached about Jesus did.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:07:12 GMT -5
i think thats your realm of expertise not mine JW.... Chuck tries to TEACH scriptures/doctrines to people, which he doesn't have a full knowledge and understanding the things he speaks of... and it shows by accusing you and me making stuff up! That is so pathetic, when he can't answer the questions I asked of him.Don’t be so Pompous. I’ve had the same discussion with you. Jesus only called the 12 Apostles.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2020 1:10:28 GMT -5
It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me." It’s still about Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ. Paul said “the ministry of reconciliation “. That means they’re to tell the gospel story of Jesus Christ who has died for our sins and has been resurrected and is alive in heaven interceding for our part. They are “ambassadors” for Jesus Christ they are not the means by which salvation is secured or given. They only tell about who is the Saviour. Yes! They play an important part in the telling of the gospel but they are not the vital person of salvation. Reason? People not of ministry have told the gospel story and people have learned the gospel story through reading the Bible In biblical times, preaching was the ONLY way that people had to learn the gospel story SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE WASNT A Bible READILY AVAILABLE to every single person. Not even real rich people could obtain bibles . When do you think that the first bible was put together?
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Post by Grant on Jan 13, 2020 1:16:36 GMT -5
Yes there were only 12 apostles appointed. The 70 were disciples (ordinary believers) who went out on a mission trip and returned after a short time.
Many people do that still today. They go on a Mission trip for a few weeks and come home. They go on beach missions over the summer holidays or overseas on a short Mission. The reason the 2x2s are confused about this is because they believe people have to give up all and go permanently as a worker.
There are different types of missions. Read what the Bible really says rather than trying to fit it into the workers box.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 1:28:49 GMT -5
Yes there were only 12 apostles appointed. The 70 were disciples (ordinary believers) who went out on a mission trip and returned after a short time. Many people do that still today. They go on a Mission trip for a few weeks and come home. They go on beach missions over the summer holidays or overseas on a short Mission. The reason the 2x2s are confused about this is because they believe people have to give up all and go permanently as a worker. There are different types of missions. Read what the Bible really says rather than trying to fit it into the workers box. How about Matthias in Acts 1 who replaced Judas, he was appointed as an apostle. And How about Barnabas and Paul? Weren't they called apostles in Acts 13:1-2 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them... Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And HOW about Paul called Silas and Timothy as apostles like himself. I Thess. 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2:6-7 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:29:02 GMT -5
12 apostles, 70 disciples. 12 apostles also 70 more....read your bible... Seems your reading comprehension is not very good, Wally. In Luke 9, it says that “Jesus called his twelve disciples together...” Luke 10 it says , “After these things the Lord appointed OTHER 70 DISCIPLES ALSO,...” The 70 disciples were not apostles but followed the pattern of the 70 elders in Exodus 24:1, 9 and Numbers 11:16. Numbers 11:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, THAT THEY MAY STAND THERE WITH THEE. Verse 17: And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and THEY SHALL BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE PEOPLE WITH THEE, THAT THOU BEAR IT NOT THYSELF ALone.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 1:37:36 GMT -5
Chuck tries to TEACH scriptures/doctrines to people, which he doesn't have a full knowledge and understanding the things he speaks of... and it shows by accusing you and me making stuff up! That is so pathetic, when he can't answer the questions I asked of him. Don’t be so Pompous. I’ve had the same discussion with you. Jesus only called the 12 Apostles. And I had proved to you times and times again, you are incorrect in your belief and thinking there were ONLY 12 apostles.
How about Matthias in Acts 1 who replaced Judas, he was appointed as an apostle. Jesus appointed and chosen Paul as His apostle in Acts 9.
And How about Barnabas and Paul? Weren't they called apostles in Acts 13:1-2 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them... Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
And HOW about Paul called Silas and Timothy as apostles like himself. I Thess. 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2:6-7 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:46:33 GMT -5
It’s still about Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ. Paul said “the ministry of reconciliation “. That means they’re to tell the gospel story of Jesus Christ who has died for our sins and has been resurrected and is alive in heaven interceding for our part. They are “ambassadors” for Jesus Christ they are not the means by which salvation is secured or given. They only tell about who is the Saviour. Yes! They play an important part in the telling of the gospel but they are not the vital person of salvation. Reason? People not of ministry have told the gospel story and people have learned the gospel story through reading the Bible In biblical times, preaching was the ONLY way that people had to learn the gospel story SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE WASNT A Bible READILY AVAILABLE to every single person. Not even real rich people could obtain bibles . When do you think that the first bible was put together?According to what I’ve read, in 200 AD the Muratorian Canon was compiled and nearest to present day New Testament. The Septuagint a compilation of the OT was made in 300 BC. In recent archeology digs, shards of pottery have been found with Armaic scriptures dating to 2 BC. Before that it was thought that the Hebrew Bible was written in the 6th century BC. So the shards prove there was writings of the Hebrew Bible earlier then first thought. There was a Q Source which had been written recordings of things Jesus had said and was adapted to make the narratives in the gospels. Sounds like somebody took convention notes way back then . Too! 😀
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:48:35 GMT -5
Don’t be so Pompous. I’ve had the same discussion with you. Jesus only called the 12 Apostles. And I had proved to you times and times again, you are incorrect in your belief and thinking there were ONLY 12 apostles.
How about Matthias in Acts 1 who replaced Judas, he was appointed as an apostle. Jesus appointed and chosen Paul as His apostle in Acts 9.
And How about Barnabas and Paul? Weren't they called apostles in Acts 13:1-2 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them... Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
And HOW about Paul called Silas and Timothy as apostles like himself. I Thess. 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2:6-7 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:It still stands according to what’s in the Bible, that Jesus only named 12 men his Apostles.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 1:49:44 GMT -5
I know that the workers consider all the brother workers to be apostles, and the sister workers to be "helpers". But I have always heard that the 12 were apostles, and those who followed were disciples -- the term disciples is used for followers even today. FWIW
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 13, 2020 1:54:35 GMT -5
I know that the workers consider all the brother workers to be apostles, and the sister workers to be "helpers". But I have always heard that the 12 were apostles, and those who followed were disciples -- the term disciples is used for followers even today. FWIW That is what Ive heard from several different Christian ministers. Generally speaking there were only 12 Jesus-named Apostles and any named apostles thereafter were loosely so called apostles. Of course it’s thought there was a thirteenth Apostle but no one knows whether that’s Mathias or Paul. I’m thinking it’s Paul because he is the Apostle for the Gentile church.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 1:59:34 GMT -5
It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me." So the ministry doesn't save us, belief in Jesus does. The apostles bought the message but it did not save the people, believing in Jesus did. Since when did believing in men save anyone, believing what they preached about Jesus did. God the Father and Christ KNEW without the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the believers ministry there would be NO New Testament Church. That was Why God the Father sent Christ to establish the ministry of the apostles and believer to share the goodnews, that Jesus SAVES and He died for our sins
Eph. 4:11-14 And he/Jesus gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph. 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
~~ We can learn from the Cooneyites.. They have no apostolic ministry in their group so they are NOT growing but dying slowly with the believers ministry.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 2:03:41 GMT -5
I know that the workers consider all the brother workers to be apostles, and the sister workers to be "helpers". But I have always heard that the 12 were apostles, and those who followed were disciples -- the term disciples is used for followers even today. FWIW That is what Ive heard from several different Christian ministers. Generally speaking there were only 12 Jesus-named Apostles and any named apostles thereafter were loosely so called apostles. Of course it’s thought there was a thirteenth Apostle but no one knows whether that’s Mathias or Paul. I’m thinking it’s Paul because he is the Apostle for the Gentile church. One of the ex-overseers, Tom G. and his companion had their gospel invitation signed their title as apostles. I had seen workers gospel invitation where the workers signed as pastors, preachers, and ministers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 2:13:51 GMT -5
I know that the workers consider all the brother workers to be apostles, and the sister workers to be "helpers". But I have always heard that the 12 were apostles, and those who followed were disciples -- the term disciples is used for followers even today. FWIW That is what Ive heard from several different Christian ministers. Generally speaking there were only 12 Jesus-named Apostles and any named apostles thereafter were loosely so called apostles. Of course it’s thought there was a thirteenth Apostle but no one knows whether that’s Mathias or Paul. I’m thinking it’s Paul because he is the Apostle for the Gentile church. Paul named himself an apostle.
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Post by Grant on Jan 13, 2020 2:24:00 GMT -5
So the ministry doesn't save us, belief in Jesus does. The apostles bought the message but it did not save the people, believing in Jesus did. Since when did believing in men save anyone, believing what they preached about Jesus did. God the Father and Christ KNEW without the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the believers ministry there would be NO New Testament Church. That was Why God the Father sent Christ to establish the ministry of the apostles and believer to share the goodnews, that Jesus SAVES and He died for our sins....... <<snip>>
~~ We can learn from the Cooneyites.. They have no apostolic ministry in their group so they are NOT growing but dying slowly with the believers ministry.
That's a bit ironic when your church is not growing and slowly dying with only family members joining.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 2:33:34 GMT -5
God the Father and Christ KNEW without the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the believers ministry there would be NO New Testament Church. That was Why God the Father sent Christ to establish the ministry of the apostles and believer to share the goodnews, that Jesus SAVES and He died for our sins....... <<snip>>
~~ We can learn from the Cooneyites.. They have no apostolic ministry in their group so they are NOT growing but dying slowly with the believers ministry.
That's a bit ironic when your church is not growing and slowly dying with only family members joining. Thanks, to the exes movement that the 2x2 is NOT growing but God has used the movement to cleanse the ministry and the church dross to the surface to purify it... but I hate to those who created false information about the 2x2s in the day of Judgment. The 2x2s will grow and prosper once the dust has settled with CSA, people see the faulty of William Irvine as the FINDER and NOT the FOUNDER of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship, and last of all Jesus is part of the Godhead, the 2x2 believe and worship the TRINITY/Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
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Post by Grant on Jan 13, 2020 2:41:12 GMT -5
According to your post Nathan, it seems like the very core of your fellowship is broken but it is likely that your posts have caused many to question and leave the fellowship.
Your information on the history of your church is plain wrong and your posts that Jesus lives on Venus, that the planets are hollow and many other things are false and off putting to many. I do wonder if you have ever had any tertiary education as some university papers on research skills would not go amiss.
People are not so gullible these days and can see the Truth for themselves. If the workers were honest to start with then the websites and information would not cause many to leave.
You putting out false information is undoing some of the corrections the workers are trying to make.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 3:02:20 GMT -5
According to your post Nathan, it seems like the very core of your fellowship is broken but it is likely that your posts have caused many to question and leave the fellowship. Your information on the history of your church is plain wrong and your posts that Jesus lives on Venus and that the planets are hollow, are false and off putting to many. I do wonder if you have ever had any tertiary education as some university papers on research skills would not go amiss. People are not so gullible these days and can see the Truth for themselves. If the workers were honest to start with then the websites and information would not cause many to leave. You putting out false information is undoing some of the corrections the workers are trying to make. Time will tell who is wrong, gullible the exes and those like them or me for KNOWING that Jesus indeed is from the Interior planet of Venus. Like MANY of the U.S. high ranking in the White House official and presidents of U.S. KNOW Jesus is a VISITOR from the planet Venus!
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