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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 25, 2020 21:30:49 GMT -5
There’s addiction then there’s addiction. Some are just as addicted to proving the myth of the Bible IF NOT MORE SO then the ones who believe the Bible. Why would we be "addicted" to trying to prove that most of the bible is a myth? Why should I even care what you believe? You may not care WHAT I BELIEVE, but you sure try to change other people’s beliefs. Quit denying it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 0:16:29 GMT -5
Exactly -- one slavery for another. How about simply just tossing the whole thing and being rid of the addiction for good? There’s addiction then there’s addiction. Some are just as addicted to proving the myth of the Bible IF NOT MORE SO then the ones who believe the Bible. Actually I meant nothing about the Bible in particular. It's the addictive notion that a human cannot simply discard all recognition of and/or responsibility to some supernatural entity. In other words -- the belief that you can't dismiss religion and turn to nothing, instead of turning to something else/other.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 0:41:38 GMT -5
No, STR. You simply can't "proselytize" someone to be an "atheist" like you claim we are doing. When someone understands the underpinning's of religious ideas, -there is no longer any need to "convert" them to anything.
You are proselytizing them into another opinion. You can’t deny it, though you’re trying really hard. I witnessed ALL YOU ATHEISTS JUMP ON CIder to change her belief or opinion. It’s proselytizing ! Did Cider tell you that was the reason that she hasn't posted lately?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 0:57:11 GMT -5
You are proselytizing them into another opinion. You can’t deny it, though you’re trying really hard. I witnessed ALL YOU ATHEISTS JUMP ON CIder to change her belief or opinion. It’s proselytizing ! Did Cider tell you that was the reason that she hasn't posted lately?She was completely undone by the onslaught of negative posts. Or adverse posts. She only read a few but decided she wanted no part of it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 1:01:31 GMT -5
There’s addiction then there’s addiction. Some are just as addicted to proving the myth of the Bible IF NOT MORE SO then the ones who believe the Bible. Actually I meant nothing about the Bible in particular. It's the addictive notion that a human cannot simply discard all recognition of and/or responsibility to some supernatural entity. In other words -- the belief that you can't dismiss religion and turn to nothing, instead of turning to something else/other. But in the case of some of the atheists on TMB, they spend far more time searching out info that refutes the biblical scriptures or Christianity or even characters in the Bible MORE than believers spend in reading the Bible! Actually they HAVE JUST TRADED one belief for the thought of no belief or something other.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 1:35:58 GMT -5
Did Cider tell you that was the reason that she hasn't posted lately? She was completely undone by the onslaught of negative posts. Or adverse posts. She only read a few but decided she wanted no part of it. So did SHE tell YOU that was the reason?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 1:40:42 GMT -5
Actually I meant nothing about the Bible in particular. It's the addictive notion that a human cannot simply discard all recognition of and/or responsibility to some supernatural entity. In other words -- the belief that you can't dismiss religion and turn to nothing, instead of turning to something else/other. But in the case of some of the atheists on TMB, they spend far more time searching out info that refutes the biblical scriptures or Christianity or even characters in the Bible MORE than believers spend in reading the Bible! Actually they HAVE JUST TRADED one belief for the thought of no belief or something other. That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 1:44:17 GMT -5
But in the case of some of the atheists on TMB, they spend far more time searching out info that refutes the biblical scriptures or Christianity or even characters in the Bible MORE than believers spend in reading the Bible! Actually they HAVE JUST TRADED one belief for the thought of no belief or something other. That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? ummm since you are atheist/agnostic to God i would say yes you have traded...other gods probably not so much still doesn't make the former less true.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 1:45:52 GMT -5
That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? ummm since you are atheist/agnostic to God i would say yes you have traded...other gods probably not so much still doesn't make the former less true..... I think you've just found the magic formula.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 4:39:11 GMT -5
She was completely undone by the onslaught of negative posts. Or adverse posts. She only read a few but decided she wanted no part of it. So did SHE tell YOU that was the reason? I looked for that particular email but it’s been long enough that it’s gone now. But I do know she was overcome/undone with the adverse biblical posts. She was just needing help in finding a support system closer to where she was, not in changing her beliefs. She didn’t even stay long enough to say thank you for any posts. It was overdone.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 4:44:31 GMT -5
But in the case of some of the atheists on TMB, they spend far more time searching out info that refutes the biblical scriptures or Christianity or even characters in the Bible MORE than believers spend in reading the Bible! Actually they HAVE JUST TRADED one belief for the thought of no belief or something other. That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? It’s trading one belief for the addiction of proving all religions are made up from mythology or people’s need for an higher power/or eternal life. It’s a coming to a high mental state thinking you’ve proved something and you keep searching to prove anything kin to the first proving is a myth also. It’s an addiction not a belief.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 4:47:16 GMT -5
That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? ummm since you are atheist/agnostic to God i would say yes you have traded...other gods probably not so much still doesn't make the former less true..... It still is a god or something/someone in place of the eternal God he thought he worshipped before. Anything that’s become an addiction is often coined a god to the one who is addicted.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2020 5:54:28 GMT -5
I agree. Yes I have been to Aboriginal communities. I dont think we should force anyone to do anything. Thats the whole point. Throwing money at it forces them away. It encourages broken families. That is not compassion, thats evil. So what do you see as a solution chuck ? Poverty creates broken families as well. We have to take some responsibility for how our ancestors treated the Aboriginals, also it was Europeans who introduced alcohol and drugs to the Aboriginals and we see the results of that with broken families and domestic violence. There is no easy answer. So broken families is essentially because of lack of money?, and on the other end the richests are the happiest family units right?. Im not sure what you think of when it comes to family but material possesions does not rate for me. Taking responsibility for our ancestors actions, that opens a can of worms you cant close. Where will you draw the line?. If my ancestor murdered some white guy, should I be responsible for his descendants?. We do have the repsonsibility of those in need, period. Yes the intoduction of Alcohol and Drugs makes it very very difficult. It still comes down to Individuals not being responsible for their action, wether it be drugs, alcohol, family, friends, those in need ect ect. I dont know how to fix these problems but I do believe the focus on family unity and personal responsibility is vital. Welfare does totally the opposite, it encourages current trends and is no encouragement to family unity and responsibility which then becomes normal. Im happy to help those in need, im not happy encouraging division and it is downright evil. The zeal to help and create equality has created this problem and is making it worse. Welfare has gone beyond helping the needy. It is a way of life. It is now generational. It is evil in it's current form. I believe love your neighbor as yourself is pretty relevant in this discussion. It's a pity many cannot even love themselves.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 11:51:56 GMT -5
So what do you see as a solution chuck ? Poverty creates broken families as well. We have to take some responsibility for how our ancestors treated the Aboriginals, also it was Europeans who introduced alcohol and drugs to the Aboriginals and we see the results of that with broken families and domestic violence. There is no easy answer. So broken families is essentially because of lack of money?, and on the other end the richests are the happiest family units right?. Im not sure what you think of when it comes to family but material possesions does not rate for me. Taking responsibility for our ancestors actions, that opens a can of worms you cant close. Where will you draw the line?. If my ancestor murdered some white guy, should I be responsible for his descendants?. We do have the repsonsibility of those in need, period. Yes the intoduction of Alcohol and Drugs makes it very very difficult. It still comes down to Individuals not being responsible for their action, wether it be drugs, alcohol, family, friends, those in need ect ect. I dont know how to fix these problems but I do believe the focus on family unity and personal responsibility is vital. Welfare does totally the opposite, it encourages current trends and is no encouragement to family unity and responsibility which then becomes normal. Im happy to help those in need, im not happy encouraging division and it is downright evil. The zeal to help and create equality has created this problem and is making it worse. Welfare has gone beyond helping the needy. It is a way of life. It is now generational. It is evil in it's current form.
I believe love your neighbor as yourself is pretty relevant in this discussion. It's a pity many cannot even love themselves. As I have said before, -I have heard those same arguments so many times before within my own country. The people who make such arguments aren't always aware of the origins of their conclusions.
It isn't the average middle income person who form those arguments but the machinations of the those extremely wealthy who do not want money going to an anyone except themselves.
Here are some of those arguments constructed by those very wealthy which are only cleverly constructed myths.
www.bing.com/search?FORM=INCOH1&pc=IC07&ptag=ICO-abad6f4cca8fb786&q=myths%20perpetuated%20against%20welfare 6 welfare myths we all need to stop believing
Pastora Spraus organizes her pocketbook after paying for groceries with an EBT card in West New York, N.J. Image: AP Photo/Seth Wenig/Associated Press By Katie Dupere Jul 27, 2015 Stigma runs deep when it comes to government programs designed to aid low-income individuals and families. Need-based assistance in the U.S. — such as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) — is often subject to public scrutiny, causing those who receive it to feel shame. But it's all due to the misconception that these programs reward the undeserving, allowing people to "work the system" while rejecting the common (yet highly unrealistic) "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" values of our society. Welfare recipients are also often assumed to share a range of undesirable characteristics, most of which have racist and classist undertones. These stereotypes simply aren't true. We need to dispel the myths surrounding government benefits so we can truly understand the value of welfare, the humanity of those receiving it and the improvements that could be made to better support those in need. Below, we explore six common welfare myths, which you can consider thoroughly debunked. Myth 1: People on welfare are unmotivated and not working. Get a Job? Most Welfare Recipients Already Have One. Low-wage jobs strain the welfare system: t.co/Pe3zWZSyy5 pic.twitter.com/TdyQSXCANv — IIWF (@ininstitute) April 19, 2015 Welfare recipients are often characterized as lazy, simply waiting for the next month's benefits to roll in. But nearly 73% of people receiving public benefits are members of working families. Some programs, like TANF, actually operate under the expectation that families are working but need temporary assistance to become financially stable. Many argue the problem is really income inequality, which leaves minimum wage earners struggling to afford basic needs, and therefore reliant on public assistance. Viewing people as morally responsible for their own situations "obviously ignores the systemic inequalities in the economy and polity that make people poor in the first place," independent scholar Gwendolyn Mink, who authored Welfare's End and several other works on public assistance programs, tells Mashable. "The kind of income inequality that is in the system puts especially women of color at the lowest end of the earning spectrum, which is a sentence of abject poverty." Even though welfare recipients are in the labor force, Mink explains, they aren't earning enough money to support a family and provide food security for their children while at the same time pay bills, such as rent and utilities.
Myth 2: Welfare recipients are mostly people of color. This myth is dripping with racist assumptions about the lives of people of color, but it's also fundamentally untrue. In reality, approximately 40% of SNAP recipients are white, making white people the largest racial group on food stamps. When it comes to TANF recipients, approximately 30% are white, 30% are Latino and 30% are black, with several other racial groups making up the remaining 10% of recipients. Considering systemic inequalities that put people of color behind white people in terms of wage earnings, this somewhat even distribution of need-based aid is actually concerning. Due to racism in the wage system, people of color should theoretically receive more governmental assistance. Yet, those who need welfare programs often don't have access to them — which is the real issue. "Only 27% of families who need welfare, who are in poverty [and] who qualify for welfare … actually receive it," Mink says. "Most people who need it don't get it. The law is so cruelly structured to incentivize non-participation or to actually exclude participation."
Myth 3: Undocumented populations are stealing welfare benefits from citizens. Undocumented people don't even get welfare.! Smh #racists pic.twitter.com/sgDdHrqYA1 — Sarai ➰ (@frap4evr_) February 13, 2014 This isn't just false — it's impossible. Undocumented populations are ineligible for all welfare programs, except emergency medical care. "It's illegal to afford public benefits of the TANF or food stamp variety to undocumented immigrants ... who have not been in this country for a situated amount of time as legal residents," Mink says. Even for immigrants who are now legal residents, federally funded programs have strict criteria for participation. For example, food stamps are only available to immigrants with legal status who have lived in the country for five years, are receiving disability-related assistance or are under 18 years old. Some programs also allow states to make their own guidelines for immigrant populations, leading to disparities in assistance from state to state. "The TANF law permits states to bar any immigrants all together, if they wanted to," Mink says.
Myth 4: Countless "welfare queens" are working the system's loopholes. dampen any celebration RT @dcck: #hunger stat: 1 in 5 children in the US rely on food stamps. t.co/K4ljMYdzDH pic.twitter.com/0z6tRE7YqU — John Turner (@jt1anglais) July 4, 2015 In any debate of welfare, you'll often hear stories of the "welfare queen" — a racialized term used to describe women who are accused of cheating the system to gain maximum benefits. Her origin can be traced back to a Ronald Reagan campaign rally in 1976, where the former president said, "In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record. She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans' benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year." But the reality of the undeserving welfare queen is not the rule — it's the exception. Mink says it's unreasonable to make judgments based on "one bad apple in every bunch." It's also difficult to work the system with the goal of becoming that bad apple. WIC and SNAP are full of restrictions preventing the use of coupons for monetary gain, while TANF is only available for five years within a person's lifetime.
Myth 5: Once a person goes on welfare, they'll freeload off it for years. Eligibility requirements prevent government aid recipients from getting benefits if they don't demonstrate dire need. TANF programs, for example, have a federal lifetime limit of five years. "You might be on consecutively for five years and fall off," Mink says, "but if you fall into dire straits five years from now, forget it. You can't get back into the program." As a result, these requirements often prevent some people from accessing the support they need. For instance, the federal government's food stamp cuts enacted at the end of 2014, which included tighter eligibility restrictions, had experts predicting severe hardships for the nation's poorest by 2016. Welfare offers basic support to provide families with the bare necessities, if even that. Many families on welfare are simply looking to use government assistance as a way to build up their finances during tough times, with the goal of getting back on their feet. "Nobody wants to stay on welfare if they can get a decent job with decent wages with decent working conditions," Mink says.
Myth 6: Welfare programs are eating up valuable tax dollars. Almost half of #ChildCare workers rely on public assistance. We need #WorthyWages. Read more from @cscceucb: t.co/JiIJLQf3a4 #1u — AFSCME (@afscme) May 1, 2015 A recent study from UC Berkeley found that public assistance programs cost taxpayers $152.8 billion every year (indicating a need for better wages). While this is a sizable chunk of cash, it isn't even close to the amount poor families need. Benefits per family are minimal, still leaving many scrambling at the end of the month to afford their expenses. As of late 2014, the average monthly food stamp benefit came in at $133.07 per participant. Though TANF benefits can fall anywhere between $200 and $1,000 per family, the average monthly amount of assistance per recipient families was $392 per month in 2010.
"Are people as concerned about how the military spends their tax dollars or how much money we give to Amtrak?" Mink says. "A very small percentage of the federal budget is consumed by welfare spending..."Your tax dollars aren't going to waste. These programs are helping families survive, not thrive.
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So broken families is essentially because of lack of money?, and on the other end the richests are the happiest family units right?. Im not sure what you think of when it comes to family but material possesions does not rate for me. Taking responsibility for our ancestors actions, that opens a can of worms you cant close. Where will you draw the line?. If my ancestor murdered some white guy, should I be responsible for his descendants?. We do have the repsonsibility of those in need, period. Yes the intoduction of Alcohol and Drugs makes it very very difficult. It still comes down to Individuals not being responsible for their action, wether it be drugs, alcohol, family, friends, those in need ect ect. I dont know how to fix these problems but I do believe the focus on family unity and personal responsibility is vital. Welfare does totally the opposite, it encourages current trends and is no encouragement to family unity and responsibility which then becomes normal. Im happy to help those in need, im not happy encouraging division and it is downright evil. The zeal to help and create equality has created this problem and is making it worse. Welfare has gone beyond helping the needy. It is a way of life. It is now generational. It is evil in it's current form.
I believe love your neighbor as yourself is pretty relevant in this discussion. It's a pity many cannot even love themselves. As I have said before, -I have heard those same arguments so many times before within my own country. The people who make such arguments aren't always aware of the origins of their conclusions.
It isn't the average middle income person who form those arguments but the machinations of the those extremely wealthy who do not want money going to an anyone except themselves.
Here are some of those arguments constructed by those very wealthy which are only cleverly constructed myths.
www.bing.com/search?FORM=INCOH1&pc=IC07&ptag=ICO-abad6f4cca8fb786&q=myths%20perpetuated%20against%20welfare 6 welfare myths we all need to stop believing
Pastora Spraus organizes her pocketbook after paying for groceries with an EBT card in West New York, N.J. Image: AP Photo/Seth Wenig/Associated Press By Katie Dupere Jul 27, 2015 Stigma runs deep when it comes to government programs designed to aid low-income individuals and families. Need-based assistance in the U.S. — such as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) — is often subject to public scrutiny, causing those who receive it to feel shame. But it's all due to the misconception that these programs reward the undeserving, allowing people to "work the system" while rejecting the common (yet highly unrealistic) "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" values of our society. Welfare recipients are also often assumed to share a range of undesirable characteristics, most of which have racist and classist undertones. These stereotypes simply aren't true. We need to dispel the myths surrounding government benefits so we can truly understand the value of welfare, the humanity of those receiving it and the improvements that could be made to better support those in need. Below, we explore six common welfare myths, which you can consider thoroughly debunked. Myth 1: People on welfare are unmotivated and not working. Get a Job? Most Welfare Recipients Already Have One. Low-wage jobs strain the welfare system: t.co/Pe3zWZSyy5 pic.twitter.com/TdyQSXCANv — IIWF (@ininstitute) April 19, 2015 Welfare recipients are often characterized as lazy, simply waiting for the next month's benefits to roll in. But nearly 73% of people receiving public benefits are members of working families. Some programs, like TANF, actually operate under the expectation that families are working but need temporary assistance to become financially stable. Many argue the problem is really income inequality, which leaves minimum wage earners struggling to afford basic needs, and therefore reliant on public assistance. Viewing people as morally responsible for their own situations "obviously ignores the systemic inequalities in the economy and polity that make people poor in the first place," independent scholar Gwendolyn Mink, who authored Welfare's End and several other works on public assistance programs, tells Mashable. "The kind of income inequality that is in the system puts especially women of color at the lowest end of the earning spectrum, which is a sentence of abject poverty." Even though welfare recipients are in the labor force, Mink explains, they aren't earning enough money to support a family and provide food security for their children while at the same time pay bills, such as rent and utilities.
Myth 2: Welfare recipients are mostly people of color. This myth is dripping with racist assumptions about the lives of people of color, but it's also fundamentally untrue. In reality, approximately 40% of SNAP recipients are white, making white people the largest racial group on food stamps. When it comes to TANF recipients, approximately 30% are white, 30% are Latino and 30% are black, with several other racial groups making up the remaining 10% of recipients. Considering systemic inequalities that put people of color behind white people in terms of wage earnings, this somewhat even distribution of need-based aid is actually concerning. Due to racism in the wage system, people of color should theoretically receive more governmental assistance. Yet, those who need welfare programs often don't have access to them — which is the real issue. "Only 27% of families who need welfare, who are in poverty [and] who qualify for welfare … actually receive it," Mink says. "Most people who need it don't get it. The law is so cruelly structured to incentivize non-participation or to actually exclude participation."
Myth 3: Undocumented populations are stealing welfare benefits from citizens. Undocumented people don't even get welfare.! Smh #racists pic.twitter.com/sgDdHrqYA1 — Sarai ➰ (@frap4evr_) February 13, 2014 This isn't just false — it's impossible. Undocumented populations are ineligible for all welfare programs, except emergency medical care. "It's illegal to afford public benefits of the TANF or food stamp variety to undocumented immigrants ... who have not been in this country for a situated amount of time as legal residents," Mink says. Even for immigrants who are now legal residents, federally funded programs have strict criteria for participation. For example, food stamps are only available to immigrants with legal status who have lived in the country for five years, are receiving disability-related assistance or are under 18 years old. Some programs also allow states to make their own guidelines for immigrant populations, leading to disparities in assistance from state to state. "The TANF law permits states to bar any immigrants all together, if they wanted to," Mink says.
Myth 4: Countless "welfare queens" are working the system's loopholes. dampen any celebration RT @dcck: #hunger stat: 1 in 5 children in the US rely on food stamps. t.co/K4ljMYdzDH pic.twitter.com/0z6tRE7YqU — John Turner (@jt1anglais) July 4, 2015 In any debate of welfare, you'll often hear stories of the "welfare queen" — a racialized term used to describe women who are accused of cheating the system to gain maximum benefits. Her origin can be traced back to a Ronald Reagan campaign rally in 1976, where the former president said, "In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record. She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans' benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year." But the reality of the undeserving welfare queen is not the rule — it's the exception. Mink says it's unreasonable to make judgments based on "one bad apple in every bunch." It's also difficult to work the system with the goal of becoming that bad apple. WIC and SNAP are full of restrictions preventing the use of coupons for monetary gain, while TANF is only available for five years within a person's lifetime.
Myth 5: Once a person goes on welfare, they'll freeload off it for years. Eligibility requirements prevent government aid recipients from getting benefits if they don't demonstrate dire need. TANF programs, for example, have a federal lifetime limit of five years. "You might be on consecutively for five years and fall off," Mink says, "but if you fall into dire straits five years from now, forget it. You can't get back into the program." As a result, these requirements often prevent some people from accessing the support they need. For instance, the federal government's food stamp cuts enacted at the end of 2014, which included tighter eligibility restrictions, had experts predicting severe hardships for the nation's poorest by 2016. Welfare offers basic support to provide families with the bare necessities, if even that. Many families on welfare are simply looking to use government assistance as a way to build up their finances during tough times, with the goal of getting back on their feet. "Nobody wants to stay on welfare if they can get a decent job with decent wages with decent working conditions," Mink says.
Myth 6: Welfare programs are eating up valuable tax dollars. Almost half of #ChildCare workers rely on public assistance. We need #WorthyWages. Read more from @cscceucb: t.co/JiIJLQf3a4 #1u — AFSCME (@afscme) May 1, 2015 A recent study from UC Berkeley found that public assistance programs cost taxpayers $152.8 billion every year (indicating a need for better wages). While this is a sizable chunk of cash, it isn't even close to the amount poor families need. Benefits per family are minimal, still leaving many scrambling at the end of the month to afford their expenses. As of late 2014, the average monthly food stamp benefit came in at $133.07 per participant. Though TANF benefits can fall anywhere between $200 and $1,000 per family, the average monthly amount of assistance per recipient families was $392 per month in 2010.
"Are people as concerned about how the military spends their tax dollars or how much money we give to Amtrak?" Mink says. "A very small percentage of the federal budget is consumed by welfare spending..."Your tax dollars aren't going to waste. These programs are helping families survive, not thrive. let me guess who wrote that...a libtard?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 12:15:48 GMT -5
As I have said before, -I have heard those same arguments so many times before within my own country. The people who make such arguments aren't always aware of the origins of their conclusions.
It isn't the average middle income person who form those arguments but the machinations of the those extremely wealthy who do not want money going to an anyone except themselves.
Here are some of those arguments constructed by those very wealthy which are only cleverly constructed myths.
www.bing.com/search?FORM=INCOH1&pc=IC07&ptag=ICO-abad6f4cca8fb786&q=myths%20perpetuated%20against%20welfare 6 welfare myths we all need to stop believing
Pastora Spraus organizes her pocketbook after paying for groceries with an EBT card in West New York, N.J. Image: AP Photo/Seth Wenig/Associated Press By Katie Dupere Jul 27, 2015 Stigma runs deep when it comes to government programs designed to aid low-income individuals and families. Need-based assistance in the U.S. — such as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) — is often subject to public scrutiny, causing those who receive it to feel shame. But it's all due to the misconception that these programs reward the undeserving, allowing people to "work the system" while rejecting the common (yet highly unrealistic) "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" values of our society. Welfare recipients are also often assumed to share a range of undesirable characteristics, most of which have racist and classist undertones. These stereotypes simply aren't true. We need to dispel the myths surrounding government benefits so we can truly understand the value of welfare, the humanity of those receiving it and the improvements that could be made to better support those in need. Below, we explore six common welfare myths, which you can consider thoroughly debunked. Myth 1: People on welfare are unmotivated and not working. Get a Job? Most Welfare Recipients Already Have One. Low-wage jobs strain the welfare system: t.co/Pe3zWZSyy5 pic.twitter.com/TdyQSXCANv — IIWF (@ininstitute) April 19, 2015 Welfare recipients are often characterized as lazy, simply waiting for the next month's benefits to roll in. But nearly 73% of people receiving public benefits are members of working families. Some programs, like TANF, actually operate under the expectation that families are working but need temporary assistance to become financially stable. Many argue the problem is really income inequality, which leaves minimum wage earners struggling to afford basic needs, and therefore reliant on public assistance. Viewing people as morally responsible for their own situations "obviously ignores the systemic inequalities in the economy and polity that make people poor in the first place," independent scholar Gwendolyn Mink, who authored Welfare's End and several other works on public assistance programs, tells Mashable. "The kind of income inequality that is in the system puts especially women of color at the lowest end of the earning spectrum, which is a sentence of abject poverty." Even though welfare recipients are in the labor force, Mink explains, they aren't earning enough money to support a family and provide food security for their children while at the same time pay bills, such as rent and utilities.
Myth 2: Welfare recipients are mostly people of color. This myth is dripping with racist assumptions about the lives of people of color, but it's also fundamentally untrue. In reality, approximately 40% of SNAP recipients are white, making white people the largest racial group on food stamps. When it comes to TANF recipients, approximately 30% are white, 30% are Latino and 30% are black, with several other racial groups making up the remaining 10% of recipients. Considering systemic inequalities that put people of color behind white people in terms of wage earnings, this somewhat even distribution of need-based aid is actually concerning. Due to racism in the wage system, people of color should theoretically receive more governmental assistance. Yet, those who need welfare programs often don't have access to them — which is the real issue. "Only 27% of families who need welfare, who are in poverty [and] who qualify for welfare … actually receive it," Mink says. "Most people who need it don't get it. The law is so cruelly structured to incentivize non-participation or to actually exclude participation."
Myth 3: Undocumented populations are stealing welfare benefits from citizens. Undocumented people don't even get welfare.! Smh #racists pic.twitter.com/sgDdHrqYA1 — Sarai ➰ (@frap4evr_) February 13, 2014 This isn't just false — it's impossible. Undocumented populations are ineligible for all welfare programs, except emergency medical care. "It's illegal to afford public benefits of the TANF or food stamp variety to undocumented immigrants ... who have not been in this country for a situated amount of time as legal residents," Mink says. Even for immigrants who are now legal residents, federally funded programs have strict criteria for participation. For example, food stamps are only available to immigrants with legal status who have lived in the country for five years, are receiving disability-related assistance or are under 18 years old. Some programs also allow states to make their own guidelines for immigrant populations, leading to disparities in assistance from state to state. "The TANF law permits states to bar any immigrants all together, if they wanted to," Mink says.
Myth 4: Countless "welfare queens" are working the system's loopholes. dampen any celebration RT @dcck: #hunger stat: 1 in 5 children in the US rely on food stamps. t.co/K4ljMYdzDH pic.twitter.com/0z6tRE7YqU — John Turner (@jt1anglais) July 4, 2015 In any debate of welfare, you'll often hear stories of the "welfare queen" — a racialized term used to describe women who are accused of cheating the system to gain maximum benefits. Her origin can be traced back to a Ronald Reagan campaign rally in 1976, where the former president said, "In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record. She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans' benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year." But the reality of the undeserving welfare queen is not the rule — it's the exception. Mink says it's unreasonable to make judgments based on "one bad apple in every bunch." It's also difficult to work the system with the goal of becoming that bad apple. WIC and SNAP are full of restrictions preventing the use of coupons for monetary gain, while TANF is only available for five years within a person's lifetime.
Myth 5: Once a person goes on welfare, they'll freeload off it for years. Eligibility requirements prevent government aid recipients from getting benefits if they don't demonstrate dire need. TANF programs, for example, have a federal lifetime limit of five years. "You might be on consecutively for five years and fall off," Mink says, "but if you fall into dire straits five years from now, forget it. You can't get back into the program." As a result, these requirements often prevent some people from accessing the support they need. For instance, the federal government's food stamp cuts enacted at the end of 2014, which included tighter eligibility restrictions, had experts predicting severe hardships for the nation's poorest by 2016. Welfare offers basic support to provide families with the bare necessities, if even that. Many families on welfare are simply looking to use government assistance as a way to build up their finances during tough times, with the goal of getting back on their feet. "Nobody wants to stay on welfare if they can get a decent job with decent wages with decent working conditions," Mink says.
Myth 6: Welfare programs are eating up valuable tax dollars. Almost half of #ChildCare workers rely on public assistance. We need #WorthyWages. Read more from @cscceucb: t.co/JiIJLQf3a4 #1u — AFSCME (@afscme) May 1, 2015 A recent study from UC Berkeley found that public assistance programs cost taxpayers $152.8 billion every year (indicating a need for better wages). While this is a sizable chunk of cash, it isn't even close to the amount poor families need. Benefits per family are minimal, still leaving many scrambling at the end of the month to afford their expenses. As of late 2014, the average monthly food stamp benefit came in at $133.07 per participant. Though TANF benefits can fall anywhere between $200 and $1,000 per family, the average monthly amount of assistance per recipient families was $392 per month in 2010.
"Are people as concerned about how the military spends their tax dollars or how much money we give to Amtrak?" Mink says. "A very small percentage of the federal budget is consumed by welfare spending..."Your tax dollars aren't going to waste. These programs are helping families survive, not thrive. let me guess who wrote that...a libtard? Why do you need to guess, wally?
Can't you do your own research as to who wrote it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 12:44:10 GMT -5
That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? It’s trading one belief for the addiction of proving all religions are made up from mythology or people’s need for an higher power/or eternal life. It’s a coming to a high mental state thinking you’ve proved something and you keep searching to prove anything kin to the first proving is a myth also. It’s an addiction not a belief. How can an endeavor to seek information that is true compared to what is NOT true, -be an "addiction?" Isn't that what sensible people do, -seek information that they can rely on as being TRUE as they determine what to believe which will affect their lives?
Addictions only harm people
Definition of addiction
: a compulsive, chronic, physiological or psychological need for a habit-forming substance, behavior, or activity having harmful physical, psychological, or social effects and typically causing well-defined symptoms (such as anxiety, irritability, tremors, or nausea) upon withdrawal or abstinence : the state of being addicted
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 13:02:00 GMT -5
ummm since you are atheist/agnostic to God i would say yes you have traded...other gods probably not so much still doesn't make the former less true..... It still is a god or something/someone in place of the eternal God he thought he worshipped before. Anything that’s become an addiction is often coined a god to the one who is addicted. Why would any sensible person go to all the trouble of seeking out what is truth rather what is only a conjecture, -which is only an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information, and then just turn around & "trade" it for yet a different conjecture for which there was still only incomplete information?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 13:29:33 GMT -5
It still is a god or something/someone in place of the eternal God he thought he worshipped before. Anything that’s become an addiction is often coined a god to the one who is addicted. Why would any sensible person go to all the trouble of seeking out what is truth rather what is only a conjecture, -which is only an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information, and then just turn around & "trade" it for yet a different conjecture for which there was still only incomplete information?
That’s what happens in a majority of situations.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 13:30:51 GMT -5
It’s trading one belief for the addiction of proving all religions are made up from mythology or people’s need for an higher power/or eternal life. It’s a coming to a high mental state thinking you’ve proved something and you keep searching to prove anything kin to the first proving is a myth also. It’s an addiction not a belief. How can an endeavor to seek information that is true compared to what is NOT true, -be an "addiction?" Isn't that what sensible people do, -seek information that they can rely on as being TRUE as they determine what to believe which will affect their lives?
Addictions only harm people
Definition of addiction
: a compulsive, chronic, physiological or psychological need for a habit-forming substance, behavior, or activity having harmful physical, psychological, or social effects and typically causing well-defined symptoms (such as anxiety, irritability, tremors, or nausea) upon withdrawal or abstinence : the state of being addicted
Some have become addicted to the anti-god research/proving.
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Post by snow on Jan 26, 2020 14:33:02 GMT -5
Bob, it really has nothing to do with me at all. Both Dmmgood and Matt10 have admitted they’re out to proselytize people to become atheists. Otherwords they don’t attack me anymore then they do any other believer. They’re just using our posts to proselytize for new atheists. That pitches me off. My opinion is let Satan do his own dirty work. STR, -here you are right here, right now, -making false claims against Matt & myself!
Neither of us have EVER said any thing of the kind that we "out to proselytize people to become atheists."
That is actually laughable
Such false claims like that does P.I.S.S. ME off!
I believe that's pith me off, ha! I don't see how Matt 10 could be proselytizing people to become something he isn't in the first place. But it's very obvious that it's okay when theists spout their religious beliefs but it's not okay when atheists talk about their beliefs. Double standard but of course they just justify it as their 'religious duty' to try and save us poor sinners. If they are so sure they are right I'm at a loss to understand why anything we say has to be censored in the first place.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2020 15:07:19 GMT -5
How can an endeavor to seek information that is true compared to what is NOT true, -be an "addiction?" Isn't that what sensible people do, -seek information that they can rely on as being TRUE as they determine what to believe which will affect their lives?
Addictions only harm people
Definition of addiction
: a compulsive, chronic, physiological or psychological need for a habit-forming substance, behavior, or activity having harmful physical, psychological, or social effects and typically causing well-defined symptoms (such as anxiety, irritability, tremors, or nausea) upon withdrawal or abstinence : the state of being addicted
Some have become addicted to the anti-god research/proving. Well, STR, -whoever you are talking about it isn't me!
First of all, I was NOT doing "anti-god" research. I was seeking to know what I could believe that was something that I could depend on as reality.
I had begin to realize that what I thought I did have to depend on wasn't even close to something that I could rely on! When I started doing that, "god" just started to fall by the wayside all by himself !
Kind of like when in The Wizard of Oz when Dorothy threw a bucket of water on the Wicked Witch of the West and the witch just slowly dissolved!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 15:29:32 GMT -5
STR, -here you are right here, right now, -making false claims against Matt & myself!
Neither of us have EVER said any thing of the kind that we "out to proselytize people to become atheists."
That is actually laughable
Such false claims like that does P.I.S.S. ME off!
I believe that's pith me off, ha! I don't see how Matt 10 could be proselytizing people to become something he isn't in the first place. But it's very obvious that it's okay when theists spout their religious beliefs but it's not okay when atheists talk about their beliefs. Double standard but of course they just justify it as their 'religious duty' to try and save us poor sinners. If they are so sure they are right I'm at a loss to understand why anything we say has to be censored in the first place. Snow, they didn’t use the word “proselytize “ but it’s the same thing when they say things like “I want to help other people like I was helped to know the Bible is just a myth.” Or as Matt 10 said if we can get people from believing all that myth or lies...etc, etc. That is doing things “to change people’s belief or opinion”. Which is the definition of proselytizing.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 15:32:37 GMT -5
Some have become addicted to the anti-god research/proving. Well, STR, -whoever you are talking about it isn't me!
First of all, I was NOT doing "anti-god" research. I was seeking to know what I could believe that was something that I could depend on as reality.
I had begin to realize that what I thought I did have to depend on wasn't even close to something that I could rely on! When I started doing that, "god" just started to fall by the wayside all by himself !
Kind of like when in The Wizard of Oz when Dorothy threw a bucket of water on the Wicked Witch of the West and the witch just slowly dissolved! As I said from the beginning, some of you are not even aware of what you are really doing or saying. Or maybe the sum total of the effect of your efforts. As if someone else does know, and you just so happen to fit into their plans.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 15:36:02 GMT -5
It still is a god or something/someone in place of the eternal God he thought he worshipped before. Anything that’s become an addiction is often coined a god to the one who is addicted. Why would any sensible person go to all the trouble of seeking out what is truth rather what is only a conjecture, -which is only an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information, and then just turn around & "trade" it for yet a different conjecture for which there was still only incomplete information?
How can you be so dead sure that which you’ve researched out is any more less a conjecture then that which you’ve left behind? There are so many “false” writings or supposedly researched opinions available to read, but are they really more of truth then that which they seek to disprove?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 17:28:12 GMT -5
So did SHE tell YOU that was the reason? I looked for that particular email but it’s been long enough that it’s gone now. But I do know she was overcome/undone with the adverse biblical posts. She was just needing help in finding a support system closer to where she was, not in changing her beliefs. She didn’t even stay long enough to say thank you for any posts. It was overdone. I guess she realized she was on the wrong street.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 17:31:43 GMT -5
That makes no sense. I have spent YEARS searching out info what refutes Islam and Buddhism - - does that mean I have traded one belief for another? It’s trading one belief for the addiction of proving all religions are made up from mythology or people’s need for an higher power/or eternal life. It’s a coming to a high mental state thinking you’ve proved something and you keep searching to prove anything kin to the first proving is a myth also. It’s an addiction not a belief. Kind of like the addiction I have to not smoking. I'm thoroughly convinced that it will keep me out of hell.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 18:37:10 GMT -5
It’s trading one belief for the addiction of proving all religions are made up from mythology or people’s need for an higher power/or eternal life. It’s a coming to a high mental state thinking you’ve proved something and you keep searching to prove anything kin to the first proving is a myth also. It’s an addiction not a belief. Kind of like the addiction I have to not smoking. I'm thoroughly convinced that it will keep me out of hell. At least out of hell on earth! Though that’s doubtful. My sis-in-law died with small oat cell lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life. But she did do a lot of revarnishing old antique furniture. Then 15 years later, my husband died with small oat cell lung cancer, he did smoke but had quit some years before death. But he worked in a glass manufacturing plant as maintenance tech. He was exposed to asbestos frequently. But they both had exhibited old TB scars in their lungs but no one ever knew that they’d had TB. They’d been around 3 aunts who’d died in the home with TB as young children.
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