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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2019 15:36:44 GMT -5
Calling grown women gals is also a way of minimising their worth and gives us more power over them. More likely for a woman to be called a girl than a man, a boy. Women are called b... - lady dogs, what are men called? *** Jesus called the non-Jew or Gentile woman a dog! If you lived in Jesus days, you nitpickers probably jumped on Him too! Yes I probably would have. Disrespect is disrespect and what he said was disrespectful of women. He was probably considered politically correct in that era, but then women were chattels back then too. Not a lot of respect was paid to women in that day and age. And even though it's improved we still see things that are disrespectful. Thinking women need to be submissive to men is an example of that. That belief says that women are inferior to men and that's just not true and we know that. It's been a good thing for men over the centuries, but it's not been very good for women. I am glad to see that it is slowly changing. I don't like the 'slowly' aspect much though.
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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 16:15:42 GMT -5
*** Jesus called the non-Jew or Gentile woman a dog! If you lived in Jesus days, you nitpickers probably jumped on Him too! Yes I probably would have. Disrespect is disrespect and what he said was disrespectful of women. He was probably considered politically correct in that era, but then women were chattels back then too. Not a lot of respect was paid to women in that day and age. And even though it's improved we still see things that are disrespectful. Thinking women need to be submissive to men is an example of that. That belief says that women are inferior to men and that's just not true and we know that. It's been a good thing for men over the centuries, but it's not been very good for women. I am glad to see that it is slowly changing. I don't like the 'slowly' aspect much though. ** I don't believe Jesus was being disrespecfull when he called her a dog. Most Jews in Jesus days looked on Gentiles as dogs and unclean. Jesus called her a dog to test her faith and need of Salvation. She did my get offended by Jesus word and kept on knocking and pleading to Him/God for His help. The woman passed the test and Jesus/God healed her and she went away rejoicing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2019 16:33:56 GMT -5
You're really not into chivalry, are you. i simply answered the question what are men called....how is that anti-chivalry? In itself your statement doesn't equal anti-chivalry. I was just recalling that you have never demonstrated any personal measure of chivalry.
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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2019 16:38:22 GMT -5
Yes I probably would have. Disrespect is disrespect and what he said was disrespectful of women. He was probably considered politically correct in that era, but then women were chattels back then too. Not a lot of respect was paid to women in that day and age. And even though it's improved we still see things that are disrespectful. Thinking women need to be submissive to men is an example of that. That belief says that women are inferior to men and that's just not true and we know that. It's been a good thing for men over the centuries, but it's not been very good for women. I am glad to see that it is slowly changing. I don't like the 'slowly' aspect much though. ** I don't believe Jesus was being disrespecfull when he called her a dog. Most Jews in Jesus days looked on Gentiles as dogs and unclean. Jesus called her a dog to test her faith and need of Salvation. She did my get offended by Jesus word and kept on knocking and pleading to Him/God for His help. The woman passed the test and Jesus/God healed her and she went away rejoicing. Just because it was normal for Jews to see Gentiles as dogs does not mean it wasn't disrespectful. Which shows me that Jesus wasn't perfect. That he held a number of beliefs that were Hebrew beliefs that were disrespectful of anyone that wasn't Hebrew or male. He seemed to be a little better than some, but he still showed his colors from time to time.
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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 16:52:12 GMT -5
** I don't believe Jesus was being disrespecfull when he called her a dog. Most Jews in Jesus days looked on Gentiles as dogs and unclean. Jesus called her a dog to test her faith and need of Salvation. She did my get offended by Jesus word and kept on knocking and pleading to Him/God for His help. The woman passed the test and Jesus/God healed her and she went away rejoicing. Just because it was normal for Jews to see Gentiles as dogs does not mean it wasn't disrespectful. Which shows me that Jesus wasn't perfect. That he held a number of beliefs that were Hebrew beliefs that were disrespectful of anyone that wasn't Hebrew or male. He seemed to be a little better than some, but he still showed his colors from time to time. Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man.
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Post by snow on Dec 4, 2019 17:20:40 GMT -5
Just because it was normal for Jews to see Gentiles as dogs does not mean it wasn't disrespectful. Which shows me that Jesus wasn't perfect. That he held a number of beliefs that were Hebrew beliefs that were disrespectful of anyone that wasn't Hebrew or male. He seemed to be a little better than some, but he still showed his colors from time to time. Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man. Okay, but the God part of him should have been able to tell the 'man' part of him that being disrespectful wasn't 'Godly', right?
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Post by Annan on Dec 4, 2019 17:20:48 GMT -5
Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man. So Jesus was capable of sin?
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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 19:27:05 GMT -5
Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man. So Jesus was capable of sin? ** Yes. Jesus the Son of man was capable of sins because he was tempted in All points as a human being, but the Spirit of Christ in him could NOT sin or YIELD into sin because he was/is God. The Lamb of God which offered up to God the Father for our sin HAD to be PERFECT and SINLESS.
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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 19:35:35 GMT -5
Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man. Okay, but the God part of him should have been able to tell the 'man' part of him that being disrespectful wasn't 'Godly', right? ** You missed the lesson! Jesus/God was testing her faith because in His eye she wasn't a dog at all. Jesus marveled at her faith of needing help and NOT getting offended when he called her a dog.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 13:28:53 GMT -5
Okay, but the God part of him should have been able to tell the 'man' part of him that being disrespectful wasn't 'Godly', right? ** You missed the lesson! Jesus/God was testing her faith because in His eye she wasn't a dog at all. Jesus marveled at her faith of needing help and NOT getting offended when he called her a dog. LOL I am always amazed at how the human mind can justify just about anything. He was disrespectful and he expected her to 'just take it'. She was a gentile.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 13:55:50 GMT -5
** You missed the lesson! Jesus/God was testing her faith because in His eye she wasn't a dog at all. Jesus marveled at her faith of needing help and NOT getting offended when he called her a dog. LOL I am always amazed at how the human mind can justify just about anything. He was disrespectful and he expected her to 'just take it'. She was a gentile. God does test his people- This is biblical truth. Deuteronomy 8:2.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:46:45 GMT -5
LOL I am always amazed at how the human mind can justify just about anything. He was disrespectful and he expected her to 'just take it'. She was a gentile. God does test his people- This is biblical truth. Deuteronomy 8:2. Do you really believe God tests his people (who she wasn't at that point in time btw) by being disrespectful to them? Why would a God people claim is 'good' be disrespectful while testing? That seems like a contradiction to me.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 14:50:25 GMT -5
God does test his people- This is biblical truth. Deuteronomy 8:2. Do you really believe God tests his people (who she wasn't at that point in time btw) by being disrespectful to them? Why would a God people claim is 'good' be disrespectful while testing? That seems like a contradiction to me. Sometimes we must be BOLD and COURAGEOUS in what we know!
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 15:36:19 GMT -5
Do you really believe God tests his people (who she wasn't at that point in time btw) by being disrespectful to them? Why would a God people claim is 'good' be disrespectful while testing? That seems like a contradiction to me. Sometimes we must be BOLD and COURAGEOUS in what we know! I'm sorry, I don't understand how being bold and courageous equates to being disrespectful. I really don't.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 15:57:01 GMT -5
Sometimes we must be BOLD and COURAGEOUS in what we know! I'm sorry, I don't understand how being bold and courageous equates to being disrespectful. I really don't. The 2 lessons that I receive here are 1- Don’t be so easily offended.2- Faith is always rewarded! Consider reading Matthew 11 verse 12.
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 16:06:31 GMT -5
LOL I am always amazed at how the human mind can justify just about anything. He was disrespectful and he expected her to 'just take it'. She was a gentile. ** You are THINKING from your human point of view and NOT from Christ/Jesus point of view and the lesson he tried to accomplish in her life! The lesson of TOUGH Love. You as a human being can ONLY the outward appearance or outside of the body BUT Christ/God was able to see what was inside her heart and mind.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 18:18:07 GMT -5
Well, remember Jesus was/is a human being like the rest of us but he is also God/the Christ. Jesus had TWO natures God and Man. So Jesus was capable of sin? No!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 18:19:41 GMT -5
So Jesus was capable of sin? ** Yes. Jesus the Son of man was capable of sins because he was tempted in All points as a human being, but the Spirit of Christ in him could NOT sin or YIELD into sin because he was/is God. The Lamb of God which offered up to God the Father for our sin HAD to be PERFECT and SINLESS. Being tempted does not mean you’re capable of sin. He was sinless. There is a big difference in how Jesus was tempted and how we are tempted today. Oh Ross, where are you when we need you! 😊
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 18:21:13 GMT -5
God does test his people- This is biblical truth. Deuteronomy 8:2. Do you really believe God tests his people (who she wasn't at that point in time btw) by being disrespectful to them? Why would a God people claim is 'good' be disrespectful while testing? That seems like a contradiction to me. What was said to her was how people dealt with such all the time. It is evident in her replies.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 18:22:49 GMT -5
** You are THINKING from your human point of view and NOT from Christ/Jesus point of view and the lesson he tried to accomplish in her life! The lesson of TOUGH Love. You as a human being can ONLY the outward appearance or outside of the body BUT Christ/God was able to see what was inside her heart and mind. I see it as Jesus dealing with her as she was used to being dealt with. He did that all the time. He spoke to people from their perspective.
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Post by snow on Dec 6, 2019 12:25:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I don't understand how being bold and courageous equates to being disrespectful. I really don't. The 2 lessons that I receive here are 1- Don’t be so easily offended.2- Faith is always rewarded! Consider reading Matthew 11 verse 12. Well I agree that not being easily offended is a good trait, but it would be nice if Jesus wasn't disrespectful in the first place. As far as faith being rewarded, I wouldn't know about that. I failed at faith. I need proof and the definition of faith is 'belief without proof'.
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Post by snow on Dec 6, 2019 12:27:13 GMT -5
So Jesus was capable of sin? No! Well then, not sinning isn't too impressive if he couldn't sin in the first place. Just saying. That is why he is far more of an inspiration as a human that has the ability to sin and not be perfect and die. If he can do it, so can we.
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Post by reborn on Dec 6, 2019 12:28:02 GMT -5
The 2 lessons that I receive here are 1- Don’t be so easily offended.2- Faith is always rewarded! Consider reading Matthew 11 verse 12. Well I agree that not being easily offended is a good trait, but it would be nice if Jesus wasn't disrespectful in the first place. As far as faith being rewarded, I wouldn't know about that. I failed at faith. I need proof and the definition of faith is 'belief without proof'. One of the best pieces of advice I was ever given was by a very kindly sister worker when I was going through a extremely hard experience. She simply told me to pray this- “Lord, increase my faith” God did! The good news is that God does reveal himself!
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Post by snow on Dec 6, 2019 12:54:17 GMT -5
Well I agree that not being easily offended is a good trait, but it would be nice if Jesus wasn't disrespectful in the first place. As far as faith being rewarded, I wouldn't know about that. I failed at faith. I need proof and the definition of faith is 'belief without proof'. One of the best pieces of advice I was ever given was by a very kindly sister worker when I was going through a extremely hard experience. She simply told me to pray this- “Lord, increase my faith” God did! The good news is that God does reveal himself! I have no desire to believe anything on faith though. I ask for proof that is verifiable and can be replicated.
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Post by reborn on Dec 6, 2019 12:59:57 GMT -5
One of the best pieces of advice I was ever given was by a very kindly sister worker when I was going through a extremely hard experience. She simply told me to pray this- “Lord, increase my faith” God did! The good news is that God does reveal himself! I have no desire to believe anything on faith though. I ask for proof that is verifiable and can be replicated. Me too! And I have it!
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Post by snow on Dec 6, 2019 13:02:02 GMT -5
I have no desire to believe anything on faith though. I ask for proof that is verifiable and can be replicated. Me too! And I have it! I'm glad you are happy with what you believe.
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Post by reborn on Dec 6, 2019 13:05:13 GMT -5
I'm glad you are happy with what you believe. He is my ALL and ALL!
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Post by matisse on Dec 6, 2019 14:23:08 GMT -5
TRUE, Wally! -for once I agree with you! :)
But don't let it go to your head! :D Hahaha... I agree too. Depends on where you're from, obiviously. In my neck of the woods, using the word "gal" is not a reference to a female child. "What a gal!" I don't like the term. It strikes me as diminuitive. I prefer the collective term, "guys".
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