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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 2, 2019 8:28:29 GMT -5
I remember a professing man coming to meeting an hour late. We had already finished meeting and were shaking hands. He then realized that he had forgotten to change his clocks. It is more of an issue in the spring. In the fall, you would just get to meeting early. Not having a radio or TV kept us in the dark. My parents didn't want to spend the money for a newspaper subscription. In the 1970s and 80s, we were out of touch with current events.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 2, 2019 13:33:23 GMT -5
I went to school not knowing what the Challenger disaster was all about. It might as well been a Chrysler Challenger exploding in the parking lot for all I knew.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 17:01:57 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin'
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 2, 2019 17:14:04 GMT -5
I went to school not knowing what the Challenger disaster was all about. It might as well been a Chrysler Challenger exploding in the parking lot for all I knew. Now you know what NASA stands for.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2019 18:34:35 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin' Surely it doesn't save your soul. But then, neither does knowing who the president of the US is, save one's soul.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 18:50:29 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin' Surely it doesn't save your soul. But then, neither does knowing who the president of the US is, save one's soul. so you agree somethings are irrelevant to salvation that are on TV, newspapers and radio....
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2019 19:10:23 GMT -5
Surely it doesn't save your soul. But then, neither does knowing who the president of the US is, save one's soul. so you agree somethings are irrelevant to salvation that are on TV, newspapers and radio.... Does that surprise you?
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Post by snow on Nov 3, 2019 13:04:17 GMT -5
Surely it doesn't save your soul. But then, neither does knowing who the president of the US is, save one's soul. so you agree somethings are irrelevant to salvation that are on TV, newspapers and radio.... I would have to say MOST things on TV Newspapers and radio wouldn't have an iota of impact on your salvation. That's if I was a believer of course. As an atheist I would say Nothing in TV, Newspapers and radio would have any impact on salvation as I don't believe in salvation.
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Post by Guest on Nov 3, 2019 23:15:37 GMT -5
I went to school not knowing what the Challenger disaster was all about. It might as well been a Chrysler Challenger exploding in the parking lot for all I knew. I remember that day. The teacher put the news on that day, partly (perhaps wholly) because of us. I also remember finding out the meaning of NASA! 😄
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Post by chuck on Nov 4, 2019 6:57:18 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin' Does knowing not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:38:32 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin' Does knowing not? i would say that the average person that becomes obsessed with the challenger event might end up being one of the seeds where the cares of this life swamp them...jw
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Post by chuck on Nov 4, 2019 23:15:49 GMT -5
i would say that the average person that becomes obsessed with the challenger event might end up being one of the seeds where the cares of this life swamp them...jw Bit like a 2x2 obsession!.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 5, 2019 1:21:08 GMT -5
i would say that the average person that becomes obsessed with the challenger event might end up being one of the seeds where the cares of this life swamp them...jw Bit like a 2x2 obsession!. For some people, "knowing" does indeed mean "obsession". Ignorance is a virtue.
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Post by chuck on Nov 5, 2019 1:47:54 GMT -5
Bit like a 2x2 obsession!. For some people, "knowing" does indeed mean "obsession". Ignorance is a virtue. Yes it does make one very virtuous in his own eyes. Took me 10 years to realise and another 10 to truly accept it.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2019 8:35:36 GMT -5
Sounds like another bible myth that never really happened.
(Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.)
but just in case, how would you adjust the clock?
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Post by Annan on Nov 5, 2019 9:25:41 GMT -5
Sounds like another bible myth that never really happened.
(Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.)
but just in case, how would you adjust the clock? Boy did that bring back a memory. My father said once that he believes the earth is the center of our galaxy and not the sun. Why else the verse you quoted? Typing this, I ask myself why it matters what he believes. It has nothing to do with the next breath he takes or what happens to him (or anyone) when he dies. We sometimes get boogered up by such inconsequential things. Ya know? I'm having a moment. I lost a good friend this morning to cancer. Over the past year I have lost my mother, three good friends, and several acquaintances. My mortality is staring me in the face. My father used to say that there are no Atheists in foxholes. I beg to differ. My common sense can't be put aside.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2019 9:54:58 GMT -5
My father used to say that there are no Atheists in foxholes. I beg to differ. My common sense can't be put aside.
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Post by Annan on Nov 5, 2019 10:29:30 GMT -5
My father used to say that there are no Atheists in foxholes. I beg to differ. My common sense can't be put aside. I remember the hubby's son saying that he prayed for God to keep him safe in Iraq and God did so. I asked what about those that prayed the same and lost their lives? At that time there was a story on the news of nuns in another country being raped and murdered. I wondered why their god did not keep them safe. Surely they prayed. Edited to add: I always tell people that if their child was hit by a car and was rushed to the hospital, that they would be on their knees praying and pleading with God to heal their child. If that same child were splattered all over the road like roadkill, they would be screaming in horror. It seems God only works within the confines of modern medicine. No?
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2019 11:04:01 GMT -5
remember the hubby's son saying that he prayed for God to keep him safe in Iraq and God did so. I asked what about those that prayed the same and lost their lives? At that time there was a story on the news of nuns in another country being raped and murdered. I wondered why their god did not keep them safe. Surely they prayed. A powerful message from a war.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 5, 2019 11:47:14 GMT -5
Spare a thought for the poor chaps at Stonehenge having to move all those rocks around twice a year.
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Post by snow on Nov 5, 2019 13:51:03 GMT -5
Sounds like another bible myth that never really happened.
(Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.)
but just in case, how would you adjust the clock? It was a sun dial xna. They just took a big rock to it. Easy peasy!
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Post by snow on Nov 5, 2019 13:52:52 GMT -5
Sounds like another bible myth that never really happened.
(Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.)
but just in case, how would you adjust the clock? Boy did that bring back a memory. My father said once that he believes the earth is the center of our galaxy and not the sun. Why else the verse you quoted? Typing this, I ask myself why it matters what he believes. It has nothing to do with the next breath he takes or what happens to him (or anyone) when he dies. We sometimes get boogered up by such inconsequential things. Ya know? I'm having a moment. I lost a good friend this morning to cancer. Over the past year I have lost my mother, three good friends, and several acquaintances. My mortality is staring me in the face. My father used to say that there are no Atheists in foxholes. I beg to differ. My common sense can't be put aside. Aww Annan, I am so sorry for your loss. You really have had a lot of them in a very short period of time. Hugs my dear.
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Post by snow on Nov 5, 2019 13:59:01 GMT -5
I remember the hubby's son saying that he prayed for God to keep him safe in Iraq and God did so. I asked what about those that prayed the same and lost their lives? At that time there was a story on the news of nuns in another country being raped and murdered. I wondered why their god did not keep them safe. Surely they prayed. Edited to add: I always tell people that if their child was hit by a car and was rushed to the hospital, that they would be on their knees praying and pleading with God to heal their child. If that same child were splattered all over the road like roadkill, they would be screaming in horror. It seems God only works within the confines of modern medicine. No? When I hear people coming on TV saying how they prayed during such and such disaster and God listened and saved them I think how insensitive they are. Do they not think about their neighbor who likely also prayed to the same God and yet their home was destroyed and their loved ones died? They get into an accident and they aren't hurt and God is good. The people in the car that they collided with died, but that doesn't even hit their radar it seems. It's almost like they just feel that whenever something bad happens to someone else it was because they didn't pray right or weren't really under God's protection or something. It's important to make sure no blame is ever laid at God's feet for the bad things that happen to people. And, I wish more would give credit where credit is due when people are saved by the paramedics, surgeons, doctors and nurses and modern medicine that made it all possible.
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Post by Annan on Nov 5, 2019 14:54:53 GMT -5
When I hear people coming on TV saying how they prayed during such and such disaster and God listened and saved them I think how insensitive they are. Do they not think about their neighbor who likely also prayed to the same God and yet their home was destroyed and their loved ones died? They get into an accident and they aren't hurt and God is good. The people in the car that they collided with died, but that doesn't even hit their radar it seems. It's almost like they just feel that whenever something bad happens to someone else it was because they didn't pray right or weren't really under God's protection or something. It's important to make sure no blame is ever laid at God's feet for the bad things that happen to people. And, I wish more would give credit where credit is due when people are saved by the paramedics, surgeons, doctors and nurses and modern medicine that made it all possible. I love (well, not literally, but you know) when a van full of people die in a crash but the baby in a car seat survives and it's a miracle! WTH???
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Post by chuck on Nov 5, 2019 16:17:52 GMT -5
I remember the hubby's son saying that he prayed for God to keep him safe in Iraq and God did so. I asked what about those that prayed the same and lost their lives? At that time there was a story on the news of nuns in another country being raped and murdered. I wondered why their god did not keep them safe. Surely they prayed. Edited to add: I always tell people that if their child was hit by a car and was rushed to the hospital, that they would be on their knees praying and pleading with God to heal their child. If that same child were splattered all over the road like roadkill, they would be screaming in horror. It seems God only works within the confines of modern medicine. No? When I hear people coming on TV saying how they prayed during such and such disaster and God listened and saved them I think how insensitive they are. Do they not think about their neighbor who likely also prayed to the same God and yet their home was destroyed and their loved ones died? They get into an accident and they aren't hurt and God is good. The people in the car that they collided with died, but that doesn't even hit their radar it seems. It's almost like they just feel that whenever something bad happens to someone else it was because they didn't pray right or weren't really under God's protection or something. It's important to make sure no blame is ever laid at God's feet for the bad things that happen to people. And, I wish more would give credit where credit is due when people are saved by the paramedics, surgeons, doctors and nurses and modern medicine that made it all possible. Those prayers are called witch craft in my opinion. Making God fit your belief. Works for the survivors doesnt it 😁, as they're the only ones we hear about!.
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Post by chuck on Nov 5, 2019 16:31:20 GMT -5
My father used to say that there are no Atheists in foxholes. I beg to differ. My common sense can't be put aside. I would ask, where did you get the Idea that God is bent on protecting the flesh or our Mortal bodies? Whether you believe in God or not you have missed the whole point of the bible story with the above assumptions.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Nov 5, 2019 16:50:56 GMT -5
does knowing the challenger exploded save your soul? just askin' about as much as replying on TMB. But here we are and life is good
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 5, 2019 18:14:20 GMT -5
Spare a thought for the poor chaps at Stonehenge having to move all those rocks around twice a year. But when Stonehenge was being built the current god had not been invented so they would be unlikely to have been professing.
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