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Post by Annan on Jan 11, 2020 18:09:31 GMT -5
I just love disagreements between believers. You will never win against know-it-all infallible Nathan, STR.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 18:11:28 GMT -5
Thank you, Snow.
I also believed. I also wanted to be a worker. I was a very serious about the whole thing. When I first came here on TMB, -I was appalled at hearing some of the deception that other kids had used in order to seem to be "professing" BUT they were still "professing" and acting superior to me as if I were the one in the wrong!
Now people like STR want to tell me that I NEVER understood! Baloney! They seem to think that they are somehow 'SPECIAL' !
I think that their attitude comes from their own fear that we just might be right after all! We believed. And their need to say we weren't true Christians and we never had the gift of faith so therefore we failed etc. is coming from fear that it could happen to them too. So they make up something that helps them believe they are protected from losing their belief. I don't mind. I even understand it. It was hard for all of us when it happened. We had no choice. I am now so happy it did happen, but at the time it felt really scary. NO! It isn’t fear for me! It comes from the Bible. Yes! I accept the atheists were earnest in their “human belief”. I’ve not nor do I dispute that. But again you’re not receiving the understanding from the Bible that “FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD”. Yes, according to the dictionary one gets the impression belief and faith are the same thing. BUT THE CATCH IS THAT THIS FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD. Human produced feelings/knowledge etc change or becomes annulled. But that from God is UNCHANGING.
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2020 18:13:35 GMT -5
But you do. You worship the Christian God just like STR. Snow, in a blunt sense, you’re partly right. However God’s rigging is not rigging per se as in setting a trap. His plan of salvation has its order and that order has steps to be fulfilled and/or taken. If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry. What some people don’t realize is just because a person announces their decision to become an active member in a church does not guarantee they’re born again in the spirit by the Spirit. A lot of all church members and active ones at that are that way by the power of their own will or choice, if you will. They are Will worshippers. They never receive being born in the spirit by the Spirit nor receive the gift of faith from God nor have the indwelling Spirit. But a lot of ministers will cry great accolades over them for being so “faithful.” I think, for an example, of one of my neighbors. She was a Baptist and she presented herself to her Baptist church everytime the doors were open. I asked her one day about some well known scripture and she answered with, “I know very little about what’s in the Bible.” Here’s a person who has sat in many sermons/bible classes and knows very little about what’s in the Bible. But her will was to be saved by going to church every time the doors were open. She was a will worshipper. Her accolades at her funeral would have been about her faithful attendance to church. Well I think they would feel they were saved and had the gift of the holy spirit. How can anyone judge if someone has the holy spirit? If they are good people, attending church, helping others etc. why wouldn't they feel they had the holy spirit and were saved? Does anyone actually have the right to say they don't just because they go about it a little different from someone else?
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
We believed. And their need to say we weren't true Christians and we never had the gift of faith so therefore we failed etc. is coming from fear that it could happen to them too. So they make up something that helps them believe they are protected from losing their belief. I don't mind. I even understand it. It was hard for all of us when it happened. We had no choice. I am now so happy it did happen, but at the time it felt really scary. NO! It isn’t fear for me! It comes from the Bible. Yes! I accept the atheists were earnest in their “human belief”. I’ve not nor do I dispute that. But again you’re not receiving the understanding from the Bible that “FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD”. Yes, according to the dictionary one gets the impression belief and faith are the same thing. BUT THE CATCH IS THAT THIS FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD. Human produced feelings/knowledge etc change or becomes annulled. But that from God is UNCHANGING. Okay.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 18:22:29 GMT -5
I didn’t say one word about predestination, Nathan. I am talking about the difference between human produced belief and God’s gift of faith. There is a difference. Why some get it and some don’t. Likely most of the time the person that doesn’t receive the gift of faith was never born again in the spirit by the Spirit. Others likely had gotten involved in or done something that God disapproved and they knew it. Most 2x2s professed as children because they’d been told what was right things to do. They wanted to please their parents and they didn’t want to go to hell if they died. Their understanding of God was not mature or full. Some kept going on strength of their own will to do what they’d been told was right and eventually received being born again in the spirit by the Spirit. Others haves lived a life of seemingly godliness on strength of their will and supposedly die “in the faith” but never were born again in the spirit by the Spirit. These last ones are will worshippers. There’s a certain amount of wisdom found in will worshipping, so Paul says. That’s why I’ve said all along or at least more of late, most the atheists on TMB were likely never born again, never had tasted of the gift of the Holy Spirit. I don’t think any one of them are past redemption. So Nathan, quit jumping on my case because Im trying to extend a ray of hope. Snow is a special case, for she was hardly old enough to be totally responsible for understanding about God, before the facts that God does get wrathful but she failed to realize that he never gets wrathful without reason, had horror crept into her. Plus the condemnation perpetuated by the 2x2s that other Christians are doomed and are false in their beliefs According to the 2x2s there are two classes of people; the 2x2 saved and everybody else in the world is damned to hell. That mindset shows damages in not only Snow but others here on TMB. ** You don't have to mention Predestination I know it in the same package with OSAS. You are NOT extending a ray of hope to the atheists exes with your OSAS and some predestined to be damned before they were born. Have you pay attention to Snow, Anman, and Dmg (atheists), they are NOT too happy with your belief they were NEVER SAVED to begin with. You owe me an apology. YOUVE ASSumed a lot and you’ve never beeen more wrong. I’ve not uttered one word about predestination. It’s about the gift of faith from God. If THEY WERE EVER SAVED, BORN AGAIN AND HAD THE INDWELLING SPIRIT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE NO HOPE AFTER REJECTING GOD. My opinion is that they never tasted of the indwelling Spirit because I don’t think they’d be atheists now! The Holy Spirit is not going to allow someone whom he’s entered into to depart from the gifts of this witness. You need to study / meditate about the keeping powers of the Holy Spirit. Just think about when the Antichrist is to be revealed as in II Thessalonians 2, the restrainer or the Holy Spirit has to be removed from the the face of the earth. Where is this restrainer, Holy Spirit but in the hearts/minds of the elect. Thus is why the rapture. God will not leave his elect on the face of the earth without the Holy Spirit to preserve them. THAT IS TESTIMONY TO THE POWERS OF KEEPING THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 18:32:55 GMT -5
Snow, in a blunt sense, you’re partly right. However God’s rigging is not rigging per se as in setting a trap. His plan of salvation has its order and that order has steps to be fulfilled and/or taken. If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry. What some people don’t realize is just because a person announces their decision to become an active member in a church does not guarantee they’re born again in the spirit by the Spirit. A lot of all church members and active ones at that are that way by the power of their own will or choice, if you will. They are Will worshippers. They never receive being born in the spirit by the Spirit nor receive the gift of faith from God nor have the indwelling Spirit. But a lot of ministers will cry great accolades over them for being so “faithful.” I think, for an example, of one of my neighbors. She was a Baptist and she presented herself to her Baptist church everytime the doors were open. I asked her one day about some well known scripture and she answered with, “I know very little about what’s in the Bible.” Here’s a person who has sat in many sermons/bible classes and knows very little about what’s in the Bible. But her will was to be saved by going to church every time the doors were open. She was a will worshipper. Her accolades at her funeral would have been about her faithful attendance to church. Well I think they would feel they were saved and had the gift of the holy spirit. How can anyone judge if someone has the holy spirit? If they are good people, attending church, helping others etc. why wouldn't they feel they had the holy spirit and were saved? Does anyone actually have the right to say they don't just because they go about it a little different from someone else? There is a difference when people receive the indwelling Spirit. He reveals, teaches, guards, guides, nurtures and above all he is the comforter. So the person with an indwelling spirit will maybe slowly at first, develop an appetite for knowing and understanding God’s word. There are many mysteries in the word of God. To be honest I never started getting those revealed to me until after I believed that Jesus is God the Son. That very change within me has brought a different understanding then the surface of the meaning of that which is in the Bible. That change has enabled me to understand why some people write the Bible off as another myth story. A few years ago you might have convinced even me but since the Holy Spirit has begun to show these precious mysteries in the Bible , I want to know them all but doubt I’ll live long enough to receive that knowledge. As for being good people? Paul wrote that there is wisdom in will worshipping; the taste not, the handle not or being subject to the doctrine and commandments of men. It appears like you say they are “good people “. I can’t say what their outcome is other then Jesus said we must be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2020 18:36:23 GMT -5
Well I think they would feel they were saved and had the gift of the holy spirit. How can anyone judge if someone has the holy spirit? If they are good people, attending church, helping others etc. why wouldn't they feel they had the holy spirit and were saved? Does anyone actually have the right to say they don't just because they go about it a little different from someone else? There is a difference when people receive the indwelling Spirit. He reveals, teaches, guards, guides, nurtures and above all he is the comforter. So the person with an indwelling spirit will maybe slowly at first, develop an appetite for knowing and understanding God’s word. There are many mysteries in the word of God. To be honest I never started getting those revealed to me until after I believed that Jesus is God the Son. That very change within me has brought a different understanding then the surface of the meaning of that which is in the Bible. That change has enabled me to understand why some people write the Bible off as another myth story. A few years ago you might have convinced even me but since the Holy Spirit has begun to show these precious mysteries in the Bible , I want to know them all but doubt I’ll live long enough to receive that knowledge. As for being good people? Paul wrote that there is wisdom in will worshipping; the taste not, the handle not or being subject to the doctrine and commandments of men. It appears like you say they are “good people “. I can’t say what their outcome is other then Jesus said we must be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Well the way I see it, if someone believes and has faith, attends church and tries to be a comfort and help others, and were baptized, I don't see how you can say they weren't born again. If what you say is true, not many people are saved.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 18:53:36 GMT -5
Well if what you say is true then God sending me to hell because he didn't deem to grant me the gift of faith, doesn't make him a very nice guy does it. I started out believing earnestly and he still didn't think me worth the effort of giving me a gift of faith. And, then, he decides because he didn't give me the gift of faith and I quit believing that he has just reason to throw me into an eternity of suffering. Why would people worship a god like that if this is the case? It sounds more like you just stopped believing?
People fall away for a plethora of reasons; Doubts, a lack of answers or answers they don't like, belief switching to science instead of God, unanswered prayers, a desire for proof of God, or the adversaries favorite weapon 'confusion', which he's been using ever since Eve.
No one starts out automatically believing. It starts with hope, which emanates from a desire to find a meaning to life. Hope = Belief = Faith, in that order. Hope is the inspiration, belief is the decision, and faith is the conviction. This assigns a purpose to life and gives people a reason to live. jmo
NO! We didn't just decide to "stop" believing! In fact, -at least for me and I'm sure others as well, -it was a very painful process.
Just think about it for a moment; -at least for we who had been "professing" in the *THRUTH* as we called it. It wasn't like some of the other churches.
Our WHOLE lives circled around what we believed. Where we could GO or not go. (not go to any events considered "worldly") What we could have in our homes and NOT have. (no radios, not even a 'player piano' -it was too much like a phonograph) What we COULD wear and not wear. (please, I don't even want to go there. everyone knows that!)
Now, I am only showing all of that to show just how saturated with our belief that our whole lives were compared to the lives of 'outsiders'. So when I left I just felt in a sort of painful limbo for a long while and thought THAT same painful limbo would be what the rest of my life would consist of.
It was not a pleasant picture of the future, -no matter what you might like to believe was the reason for my leaving.
I will not go into all the 'plethora of reasons' that you would like to believe as the reason that I left. I have heard them all before.
I do want comment on this statement. You say "No one starts out automatically believing." That isn't true-at least for hose who were born & raised in a Christian culture. Any Christian church. Believing was just an automatic response to their upbringing.
As for having "a purpose to life and gives people a reason to live," -I personally can attest to the fact that one does NOT need a supernatural being called god or whatever one wants to call it, -in order to give one a reason to live.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 19:02:39 GMT -5
My opinion is it first starts with finding out the lies the church tells. My father's heart was broken finding out it was all lie about the creation of the church by a man. Then you start questioning other things you were told. Can't trust a liar or a church build on lies. ** Your father was duped, he only hears part of story and NOT the whole truth of things. A lot of exes will be in for a shocked in the day of judgment. You, Nathan, -like many others, would rather believe a falsehood because it makes them more comfortable than to face the truth about the *TRUTH.*
I understand how difficult it must be.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 19:16:06 GMT -5
** Your father was duped, he only hears part of story and NOT the whole truth of things. A lot of exes will be in for a shocked in the day of judgment. You know, Nathan, now you pissed me off. You post here like you are the all mighty himself. You are a man and man is fallible. When asked, the workers themselves admitted to my dad that the church was started by a man. But of course I realize you are the only true worker, so you know best. Yes, Annan, -seems between STR & Nathan that they know the ALL of the answers, even if they don't always agree!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:21:28 GMT -5
A lot of exes will be in for a shocked in the day of judgment. You say that like there will be pride in being right. What an ugly thing to say. That takes an ugly soul. I'm going to say it to get it out of my system, you are a self righteous bastard. where is the love?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 19:35:02 GMT -5
There is a difference when people receive the indwelling Spirit. He reveals, teaches, guards, guides, nurtures and above all he is the comforter. So the person with an indwelling spirit will maybe slowly at first, develop an appetite for knowing and understanding God’s word. There are many mysteries in the word of God. To be honest I never started getting those revealed to me until after I believed that Jesus is God the Son. That very change within me has brought a different understanding then the surface of the meaning of that which is in the Bible. That change has enabled me to understand why some people write the Bible off as another myth story. A few years ago you might have convinced even me but since the Holy Spirit has begun to show these precious mysteries in the Bible , I want to know them all but doubt I’ll live long enough to receive that knowledge. As for being good people? Paul wrote that there is wisdom in will worshipping; the taste not, the handle not or being subject to the doctrine and commandments of men. It appears like you say they are “good people “. I can’t say what their outcome is other then Jesus said we must be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Well the way I see it, if someone believes and has faith, attends church and tries to be a comfort and help others, and were baptized, I don't see how you can say they weren't born again. If what you say is true, not many people are saved. That is a concern. But Jesus did say many are called but few are chosen and only he and the Father knows the hearts of mankind. I know even for those who obtain eternal life, that not all of them will earn rewards because their deeds won’t withstand the test by fire. It’s my understanding that the motives behind those deeds have about as much to do with the rewards as the deeds themselves. Otherwords people that do all charitable deeds possible just to get eternal life likely won’t get it because of the reason behind those deeds. I know a lot of people do charitable deeds for that reason. They’ll get a reward but maybe not eternal life or if they’ve already obtained life they won’t get a reward. It’s what is in the heart that matters to God not the deed. I can’t believe that these people you speak of won’t be rewarded somehow but likely in this life? I don’t know! I just know what the Bible says.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 19:41:51 GMT -5
But you do. You worship the Christian God just like STR. Snow, in a blunt sense, you’re partly right. However God’s rigging is not rigging per se as in setting a trap. His plan of salvation has its order and that order has steps to be fulfilled and/or taken. If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry.
What some people don’t realize is just because a person announces their decision to become an active member in a church does not guarantee they’re born again in the spirit by the Spirit. A lot of all church members and active ones at that are that way by the power of their own will or choice, if you will. They are Will worshippers. They never receive being born in the spirit by the Spirit nor receive the gift of faith from God nor have the indwelling Spirit. But a lot of ministers will cry great accolades over them for being so “faithful.”I think, for an example, of one of my neighbors. She was a Baptist and she presented herself to her Baptist church everytime the doors were open. I asked her one day about some well known scripture and she answered with, “I know very little about what’s in the Bible.” Here’s a person who has sat in many sermons/bible classes and knows very little about what’s in the Bible. But her will was to be saved by going to church every time the doors were open. She was a will worshipper. Her accolades at her funeral would have been about her faithful attendance to church. Absolutely, "If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry."
STR, for once you are absolutely right!
You see, this whole thing is not built on any solid foundation. It is merely a 'house of cards' precariously perched one of top of the other.
You think that you have covered every aspect in order to keep it standing. When one argument threatens to knock it down, -someone has to come up with something else.
Now YOU are claiming that no matter how hard people try to do the right thing, -if god hasn't given them the "gift of faith" -all of their efforts are in vain.
I wonder what the next card will have to be?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 19:44:48 GMT -5
There is a difference when people receive the indwelling Spirit. He reveals, teaches, guards, guides, nurtures and above all he is the comforter. So the person with an indwelling spirit will maybe slowly at first, develop an appetite for knowing and understanding God’s word. There are many mysteries in the word of God. To be honest I never started getting those revealed to me until after I believed that Jesus is God the Son. That very change within me has brought a different understanding then the surface of the meaning of that which is in the Bible. That change has enabled me to understand why some people write the Bible off as another myth story. A few years ago you might have convinced even me but since the Holy Spirit has begun to show these precious mysteries in the Bible , I want to know them all but doubt I’ll live long enough to receive that knowledge. As for being good people? Paul wrote that there is wisdom in will worshipping; the taste not, the handle not or being subject to the doctrine and commandments of men. It appears like you say they are “good people “. I can’t say what their outcome is other then Jesus said we must be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Well the way I see it, if someone believes and has faith, attends church and tries to be a comfort and help others, and were baptized, I don't see how you can say they weren't born again. If what you say is true, not many people are saved. Being born again doesn’t mean going to church. Going to church is for fellowship with like believers. Being born again “IN THE SPIRIT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT” is receiving newness of spiritual life because before that we were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. That’s why I’ve been of the opinion that you, Snow, at 12 years of age could not have been totally held responsible for choosing to quit believing. I believe the factors that injured your tender psyche is what was the impetus that pushed you away before you could come to know God for yourself. It interrupted the process of human belief growing into faith given by God. I think in actuality there are variations to why the different atheists on TMB are atheists. I don’t think it’s entirely the same process or experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:45:44 GMT -5
this is where predestination falls apart...i myself don't worship a god that rig's the game.... But you do. You worship the Christian God just like STR. sometimes i wonder about that....
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 19:54:33 GMT -5
Snow, in a blunt sense, you’re partly right. However God’s rigging is not rigging per se as in setting a trap. His plan of salvation has its order and that order has steps to be fulfilled and/or taken. If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry.
What some people don’t realize is just because a person announces their decision to become an active member in a church does not guarantee they’re born again in the spirit by the Spirit. A lot of all church members and active ones at that are that way by the power of their own will or choice, if you will. They are Will worshippers. They never receive being born in the spirit by the Spirit nor receive the gift of faith from God nor have the indwelling Spirit. But a lot of ministers will cry great accolades over them for being so “faithful.”I think, for an example, of one of my neighbors. She was a Baptist and she presented herself to her Baptist church everytime the doors were open. I asked her one day about some well known scripture and she answered with, “I know very little about what’s in the Bible.” Here’s a person who has sat in many sermons/bible classes and knows very little about what’s in the Bible. But her will was to be saved by going to church every time the doors were open. She was a will worshipper. Her accolades at her funeral would have been about her faithful attendance to church. Absolutely, "If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry."
STR, for once you are absolutely right!
You see, this whole thing is not built on any solid foundation. It is merely a 'house of cards' precariously perched one of top of the other.
You think that you have covered every aspect in order to keep it standing. When one argument threatens to knock it down, -someone has to come up with something else.
Now YOU are claiming that no matter how hard people try to do the right thing, -if god hasn't given them the "gift of faith" -all of their efforts are in vain.
I wonder what the next card will have to be?
I’m only speaking about what’s in the Bible. I’ve been terribly offended not once but three times while being a 2x2. If it were possible, I think that I would be one to have willfully quit believing in God and the Bible over those offenses. But for reasons I can’t explain or express, it hasn’t happened. But I believe as the Bible says, that as Jesus said that his sheep know his voice and he gives them eternal life and that NO MAN(not even ourselves) can take us out of his hand or the Father’s hand. I also believe that everything from God is unchanging and set. That when he gives us new spiritual life and the Holy Spirit to guard, guide, keep , teach, reveal and comfort that new spirit; that nothing is going to interrupt that which is of God. However, if our human produced Hope, belief and will get interrupted by some human errors or offenses; then naturally the situation can go any direction. But that would have been before the indwelling of the Spirit. It is built on Jesus Christ, the Chief Cornerstone. I’ve found out, the whole Bible is essentially about God’s Son.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 19:55:51 GMT -5
But you do. You worship the Christian God just like STR. sometimes i wonder about that.... I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And I often question if that’s the “Christian God”.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 19:57:57 GMT -5
Well the way I see it, if someone believes and has faith, attends church and tries to be a comfort and help others, and were baptized, I don't see how you can say they weren't born again. If what you say is true, not many people are saved. Being born again doesn’t mean going to church. Going to church is for fellowship with like believers. Being born again “IN THE SPIRIT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT” is receiving newness of spiritual life because before that we were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. That’s why I’ve been of the opinion that you, Snow, at 12 years of age could not have been totally held responsible for choosing to quit believing. I believe the factors that injured your tender psyche is what was the impetus that pushed you away before you could come to know God for yourself. It interrupted the process of human belief growing into faith given by God. I think in actuality there are variations to why the different atheists on TMB are atheists. I don’t think it’s entirely the same process or experiences. STR, Please don't use such a condescending patronizing attitude toward Snow like that!
I envy snow, -in that she showed so much knowledge at the age of 12 & the grit to do something about it that I didn't have until my own middle life.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 19:59:25 GMT -5
But you do. You worship the Christian God just like STR. sometimes i wonder about that.... There are 144,000 Children of Israel reserved to be saved through Jesus Christ. And you don’t think the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob doesn’t predestination? He also had a set number of prophets reserved. That’s not predestination?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 20:00:41 GMT -5
Being born again doesn’t mean going to church. Going to church is for fellowship with like believers. Being born again “IN THE SPIRIT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT” is receiving newness of spiritual life because before that we were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. That’s why I’ve been of the opinion that you, Snow, at 12 years of age could not have been totally held responsible for choosing to quit believing. I believe the factors that injured your tender psyche is what was the impetus that pushed you away before you could come to know God for yourself. It interrupted the process of human belief growing into faith given by God. I think in actuality there are variations to why the different atheists on TMB are atheists. I don’t think it’s entirely the same process or experiences. STR, Please don't use such a condescending patronizing attitude toward Snow like that!
I envy snow, -in that she showed so much knowledge at the age of 12 & the grit to do something about it that I didn't have until my own middle life. I’m NOT BEING CONDESCENDING! Where you get that is a question. Nor patronizing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2020 20:05:56 GMT -5
They even ask me to do an interview on a religious/Christians radio show in Porrtland but I said no, Thanks. Smart move.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 20:07:26 GMT -5
** Your father was duped, he only hears part of story and NOT the whole truth of things. A lot of exes will be in for a shocked in the day of judgment. You know, Nathan, now you pissed me off. You post here like you are the all mighty himself. You are a man and man is fallible. When asked, the workers themselves admitted to my dad that the church was started by a man. But of course I realize you are the only true worker, so you know best. ** I have been at this for 40 yrs so, I KNOW what I am talking about. It's better to know and find out the TRUTH on this side of life and do something about it, then to find out the truth on the other side, because it will be too late to change our ETERNAL destinity. Death seals all choices.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 20:10:48 GMT -5
I just love disagreements between believers. You will never win against know-it-all infallible Nathan, STR. ** I have never claim to know it all but I have been around the blocks a few times. I am here to warn what is around the corner, the traps and pit falls await for people to fall into.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 20:14:49 GMT -5
Absolutely, "If any step or order has been eliminated or omitted, the whole thing goes awry."
STR, for once you are absolutely right!
You see, this whole thing is not built on any solid foundation. It is merely a 'house of cards' precariously perched one of top of the other.
You think that you have covered every aspect in order to keep it standing. When one argument threatens to knock it down, -someone has to come up with something else.
Now YOU are claiming that no matter how hard people try to do the right thing, -if god hasn't given them the "gift of faith" -all of their efforts are in vain.
I wonder what the next card will have to be?
I’m only speaking about what’s in the Bible. I’ve been terribly offended not once but three times while being a 2x2 . If it were possible, I think that I would be one to have willfully quit believing in God and the Bible over those offenses. But for reasons I can’t explain or express, it hasn’t happened. But I believe as the Bible says, that as Jesus said that his sheep know his voice and he gives them eternal life and that NO MAN(not even ourselves) can take us out of his hand or the Father’s hand. I also believe that everything from God is unchanging and set. That when he gives us new spiritual life and the Holy Spirit to guard, guide, keep , teach, reveal and comfort that new spirit; that nothing is going to interrupt that which is of God. However, if our human produced Hope, belief and will get interrupted by some human errors or offenses; then naturally the situation can go any direction. But that would have been before the indwelling of the Spirit. It is built on Jesus Christ, the Chief Cornerstone. I’ve found out, the whole Bible is essentially about God’s Son. STR, I know you are "only speaking about what’s in the Bible."
But when you have been told there are other creation stories besides that in the bible, -stories of other peoples of the world, -you refuse to even explore them.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 20:18:28 GMT -5
They even ask me to do an interview on a religious/Christians radio show in Porrtland but I said no, Thanks. Smart move. *** I want to stay under the radar as long as I can I know the illuminati are reading and watching these things. They have a super, super computer to keep tracks or taps on people. They don't want the truth to be KNOWN, they want to keep the population in the DARK! Don't think outside of the box. I posted on here a list of names and people They had taken out in the past. God has sent His angels to protect me until I have accomplished my mission here on earth. I will not be here on earth for very long so, I will give all the my strength, energy and all the things God has shown me.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 20:22:14 GMT -5
STR, Please don't use such a condescending patronizing attitude toward Snow like that!
I envy snow, -in that she showed so much knowledge at the age of 12 & the grit to do something about it that I didn't have until my own middle life. I’m NOT BEING CONDESCENDING! Where you get that is a question. Nor patronizing. Question?
I don't think so.
Here is what you said:
"I’ve been of the opinion that you, Snow, at 12 years of age could not have been totally held responsible for choosing to quit believing.
I believe the factors that injured your tender psyche is what was the impetus that pushed you away before you could come to know God for yourself.
It interrupted the process of human belief growing into faith given by God."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 20:24:07 GMT -5
I’m only speaking about what’s in the Bible. I’ve been terribly offended not once but three times while being a 2x2 . If it were possible, I think that I would be one to have willfully quit believing in God and the Bible over those offenses. But for reasons I can’t explain or express, it hasn’t happened. But I believe as the Bible says, that as Jesus said that his sheep know his voice and he gives them eternal life and that NO MAN(not even ourselves) can take us out of his hand or the Father’s hand. I also believe that everything from God is unchanging and set. That when he gives us new spiritual life and the Holy Spirit to guard, guide, keep , teach, reveal and comfort that new spirit; that nothing is going to interrupt that which is of God. However, if our human produced Hope, belief and will get interrupted by some human errors or offenses; then naturally the situation can go any direction. But that would have been before the indwelling of the Spirit. It is built on Jesus Christ, the Chief Cornerstone. I’ve found out, the whole Bible is essentially about God’s Son. STR, I know you are "only speaking about what’s in the Bible."
But when you have been told there are other creation stories besides that in the bible, -stories of other peoples of the world, -you refuse to even explore them.
I’ve told you I’ve read the other stories and Im just not interested in rereading them. There may be one or two I haven’t read but a I’ve no interest in reading even those. It’s not ignorance about them but I just don’t want to spend my time on them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2020 20:24:23 GMT -5
Smart move. *** I want to stay under the radar as long as I can I know the illuminati are reading and watching these things. They have a super, super computer to keep tracks or taps on people. They don't want the truth to be KNOWN, they want to keep the population in the DARK! Don't think outside of the box. On the other hand, you don't want to end up in an insane asylum.
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