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Post by magpie1 on Jun 5, 2019 20:12:48 GMT -5
Of course it is not a Workers problem? They go on preaching an incomplete theology,and it just becomes,"THE CRUELY DAMAGED LITTLE CHILDREN"S PROBLEM". Magpie
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 21:46:15 GMT -5
Not so sure I agree with your perception of Abraham, sir. IF Abraham did actually believe his God, he knew it was either a test or that his God would raise his son from the dead, for it was through that being (his son) all the nations on earth would be blessed according to what was promised Abraham.
Yeah, I know, I am stupid, but I know what it means to believe my God, not just to believe in Him or not...
DAJ And 2x2 parents who sacrifice their children to an abusive worker may have similar faith that it is either a test, or that God will heal them and make them forget the abuse. Thank you for helping with the wording. Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son was a commandment of God, not of men and it was not sexual and the sacrifice actually never happened because God prevented it. God would never and has never asked someone to sexually or otherwise abuse children. One class I attended once in a university I attended taught that the worse form of abuse is neglect. I have seen that to be very true. I believe that in eternity all of a sudden it won't matter at all to me what others have done, only what I have done to others. Obey my parents? Honor my parents and look after them when they get old? Did I turn my back on even one that was/is being shunned and neglected or had sinned and was treated like a leper? What did Jesus teach about all these things? What about brother taking brother to the law? How do we deal with that? We will be judged by all these things. We need not just look at the sins of others but our own and that's not a common denominator on these threads or anywhere else. We can't understand pedophiles but what has ever been in our hearts that is evil to God? Adultery. Fornication. Maliciousness. Speaking evil of a brother. Hating the sinner. Etc etc... Jesus was a friend to sinners and healed them and He did not keep company with the ones that were pointing out other's sins. I think that's significant and humbling. But Jesus also did not support sin. He just held out hope for the sinner. Something you seldom or never hear of or see. Takes a real honest heart to see and hate our own sins. There is a way of dealing with these situations and Jesus taught quite specifically what to do about it and personally I think some of you are onto that.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 21:50:29 GMT -5
CSA is a problem for every worker, convention owner, 2x2 member with meeting in their home and any other ADULT with knowledge of abuse of children by "workers" or "friends." That includes every ADULT on this board who has the ability to write and speak. If you dare speak out on this board but have not spoken out about the knowledge you have learned, then you are no different then the "workers" and "friends" you condemn. It does not matter whether you believe in God or not. This is about human decency. I’ve tried several times to tell overseers, stable friends about the issue. I got this “I don’t want to hear adverse things about my peers(worker).” “I just don’t want to hear negative trash against ‘the truth’!”(friend) So what can one do other then be ready to assist the victims? Yes that is something else that Jesus would never do. Turn His back on a problem.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 21:58:36 GMT -5
Abraham was willing to kill his son because he thought God wanted him too. The bible story says he didn't have to in the end. But the fact that he was willing to is what horrifies me. I worked in corrections and I have met people that have done exactly that, killed their children because they thought god told them to. Unfortunately for those children god didn't provide a substitute sacrifice. It's a dangerous story for unbalanced people to believe in. So far God hasn't intervened in any of these real life instances and provided the parent with a substitute. I'm pretty sure the story in the OT is just an analogy to show absolute faith, but it's a dangerous one because there is always going to be someone that takes it literally and is unbalanced enough to carry through. [br If anyone killed their child, it wasn't God that asked them to do it.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:10:50 GMT -5
Some parents may be afraid to notify authorities lest they be put out of the fellowship...and then go to a lost eternity when they die. The police aren't going to accept this reasoning though. If you allow your children to be abused, you are covering up CSA. You could go to jail or lose custody of your children. Parents who put the reputation of the workers ahead of the safety of their own children are morally bankrupt. A worker told me once "never leave your children alone with anyone or with a worker". I was surprised that was said because I didn't know of anyone of our friends that had been abused in that way. But I fear the greatest abuse of all...ME being the abuser...maybe I haven't done some horrible thing to someone directly but not being a brother's keeper because of fear or complacency, and not being aware of my own sin... that haunts me.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:32:32 GMT -5
My problem is with the MANY convention owners, money holders and privileged friends who have known about this problem for years and did not nothing. They made sure their families were aware but not others. How will convention owner's with businesses look to the "world" if it gets out that they knowingly allowed abusers on their property year after year. How will it look to your co-workers or boss if they find out you have supported and go to a church that supports and moves abusers around. How have they claimed to love the souls of their fellow men while allowing the souls of the children to be harmed? Not a very good testimony. Professing people would take exception with the characterization that they "did nothing". We were taught to "take it to God in prayer", "leave it all to Jesus", and "wait on the Lord". If you believe that prayer works, then you have to accept that they did something, engaging the supposedly most powerful force in the universe. I like what Jim Chaffee said there and that was about believing and about healing. But when we are responsible for others' lives then there is also a responsibility to deal with these matters. Of course, when Herod beheaded John, Jesus didn't do anything about that either and that was downright evil. Perhaps those that suffer abuse will have the greatest mercy. It would be the most difficult thing to do, to do nothing especially if you had the power to do something about it, as Jesus did. But I don't know specifically how Jesus would have dealt with sexual abuse. I do know He gave a very grave warning to any that would offend one of His little ones. An offense didn't mean hurting someone's feelings by correcting them, but it meant causing or influencing someone to sin either directly or passively or through neglect. Which means everyone has been an offender. At least I don't know any that hasn't, including myself, and I know a lot of people.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:37:34 GMT -5
How do christians continue to justify their belief in a benevolent, all-powerful, all-knowing god when child sex abuse is prevalent in christian churches/sects? Whilst this recommended article How the bible shapes attitudes to sexual assault focuses on the sexual abuse of women, many of the same attitudes apply to the abuse of children, including the repeated displays of power over the submissive and vulnerable in the bible; the blaming of the innocent: 'we are born sinners'; the disregard for human rights; the encouragement to be meek and mild and compliant; the violent raging and murderous actions of the Hebrew god / christian god. The hierarchy and male dominance is a common thread in most christian churches, even ex-members of the evangelical church have written about this. Then we have children who are coerced to adopt the faith belief of their parents. This reinforces submissive obedience and for the child to suspend their innate potential for reason. Religiosity is a cauldron for abuse. Other facilities which afford power and control to their leaders are also but the claims made by christianity are completely incongruent with the fact that the children in these churches are at greater risk of being horribly abused. If Jesus' teachings were as effective as claimed, there would be no abuse. If the god of the christians had all the attributes the faithful claim he has, why are children of christian parents having their lives ruined? And if this god was all-powerful and had a positive impact in the lives of believers, why is the law required to stop the abusers? I have read trite comments throughout this forum about those who believe they have had their prayers answered by their god. How dare you claim this whilst little children are being abused? Or are these children sending the wrong prayers? 1. Abuse is found in many many groups -dports,school,church,family...It is not just a church problem - it is a problem for all society. Those that say they are Christian's and those that Gods says are Chridtisns could be very different!! Those that say they are christians and those that God says are christians very likely ARE very different. After all, only FEW are apparently saved.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:40:31 GMT -5
Talk about blackmail! Atheists on TMB do a good job with this downing people with faith in God as being mentally deficient in some way! That's not blackmail by any stretch. Blackmail is often just a word, but I think I understand what joanna means.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:47:55 GMT -5
The reprobates live their assigned number of years. Never allowing God’s interventions etc. The only way God could stop them would to be to kill them. An omnipresent. omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenolevent god does not have to be 'allowed' to do anything. It is claimed s/he is the creator of the universe. Knows about the little sparrows and has the time to count the hairs of people's head. Preventing a child from being abused should come before the sparrow.... And it will come before the sparrow. It's called the day of His vengeance and there won't be vengeance for the sparrow but there will be for His little ones. A vengeance that no court of law here on earth could mete out. Why doesn't He do something NOW? Well that's a very interesting thought and it shows how different WE are from God. He doesn't wish that ANY should perish (our hatred for people hurting people is often that we wish them the worst hell), and He gives people space to repent of their deeds...and repentance would be a VERY uncomfortable process. God is merciful. People are not. God knows what the end will be. Our vision is clouded.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 22:52:29 GMT -5
WHY does EVERY tread have to turn into the SAME OLD ARGUMENTS? ?? This is still a big problem today. There has been "friends" in ME and WI who have been accused of abusing children from meeting in the past few years and there has been no reports on this forum or WINGS about either one. They have both been kept quite and that makes me sick. The one in WI was charged. The one in ME moved out of state and no longer goes to meeting but no one went to the authorities. The people that told me about this know how I feel about these issues. I have been in contact with authorities on numerous occasions. Even lobbied the governor of the state I was abused in to do away with the statute of limitations for abuse of children. I will continue to speak up until every worker and friend acknowledges that sexual abuse of children is very damaging to the children and their families. If you we are abused or "trespassed against" then we have a responsibility to do something about it. Jesus taught that.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 23:25:01 GMT -5
You didn't SAY that. And you apparently didn't intend to infer that. You said: No, he doesn’t allow. He lets the evil hard hearts do their evil, he’s turned them over to reprobate minds. Lack of consciences. He will exact payment.Consider this: You're a parent. You are sitting on a park bench watching your 4 year old daughter play with some other kids. After a while you notice that a 40ish well dressed man has given her a treat, which she eventually eats. Then the man takes her by the hand and leads her off and out of sight behind a think hedge. You know the man -- he has a reputation for trafficking in child pornography -- so you let the evil hard hearted man do his evil, turn him over to his reprobate mind. And then exact payment by having him arrested for distributing naked pictures of your daughter. Can you say you didn't allow your daughter to be molested? Is there an acceptable reason for a caring parent to EVER decide not to intervene? For your own child or for anyone else's child for that matter? I think what you did in the situation is leave it to the police to do some policing for you. And I think that Child Protective Services will remove the child from you and prosecute you for allowing the child to be exposed to a child predator. Maybe if they executed the man for molesting children . . . . . they could say that you didn't allow your daughter go with the man ? ? ? ? But somehow god doesn't let it happen ? ? ? ? No! I was talking about people doing the policing. So in your scenario where the parents sits on her can and let’s the perp do his dirty evil to her daughter is not doing her policing. Mi agree that humans have due diligence to do policing. Everyone of us. I also think parents who allow such done to their children or actually pay no heed when children tell them it happened, should lose their children for a length of time until they’ve taken parenting classes that address parental responsibilities. Plus instruction for parents to make it where they children Will tell them such occasions or even occasions when the child has felt threatened or uncomfortable. I firmly believe that God intends that humans use the brains and other natural blessings to take care of themselves and those they’re responsible for. Mits not unlike nurses and doctors have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their respons to mankind. We could start blaspheming God for allowing illnesses, diseases, and accidents that all compromise the wellness of humans. I guess that’ll be your next beef? "Doctors and nurses have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their responsibility to mankind." Sorry to get off topic but I worked many years in that industry and I could write books of the atrocities of some of those with extensive training and education we think of as professionals. I could get PTSD from just thinking about some of those things. Report them and it would get swept under the rug and you would become the target. Much good has been done but the evil... you don't wanna know.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 15, 2020 23:37:27 GMT -5
Professing people would take exception with the characterization that they "did nothing". We were taught to "take it to God in prayer", "leave it all to Jesus", and "wait on the Lord". If you believe that prayer works, then you have to accept that they did something, engaging the supposedly most powerful force in the universe. I like what Jim Chaffee said there and that was about believing and about healing. But when we are responsible for others' lives then there is also a responsibility to deal with these matters. Of course, when Herod beheaded John, Jesus didn't do anything about that either and that was downright evil. Perhaps those that suffer abuse will have the greatest mercy. It would be the most difficult thing to do, to do nothing especially if you had the power to do something about it, as Jesus did. But I don't know specifically how Jesus would have dealt with sexual abuse. I do know He gave a very grave warning to any that would offend one of His little ones. An offense didn't mean hurting someone's feelings by correcting them, but it meant causing or influencing someone to sin either directly or passively or through neglect. Which means everyone has been an offender. At least I don't know any that hasn't, including myself, and I know a lot of people. When Jesus makes the threat of the millstone for "offending the little ones who believe in me", he is not talking about children. He is talking about Christians who become child-like. If you read the entire passage in context, that will be clear, and most Bible commentaries also make this distinction. In the vein of "last shall be first", it is entirely possible that a notorious child predator who believes could be one of the "little ones" and his atheist victim could be the one who causes offense. It may be more useful to do a "background check" on Jesus and see how he interacted with CSA offenders. During the transfiguration, Jesus appeared with an unrepentant Moses. We read about Moses in Numbers 31: "And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." In this case, the "little ones" were certainly children, both those be slaughtered, and those that God had made a sexual gift to the soldiers (apparently knowing their appetites). Most religious leaders will attempt to hide these things, but once your eyes are opened, you have to make a moral decision about whether you can worship a deity with this horrifying character.
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Post by iam on Feb 15, 2020 23:58:32 GMT -5
I like what Jim Chaffee said there and that was about believing and about healing. But when we are responsible for others' lives then there is also a responsibility to deal with these matters. Of course, when Herod beheaded John, Jesus didn't do anything about that either and that was downright evil. Perhaps those that suffer abuse will have the greatest mercy. It would be the most difficult thing to do, to do nothing especially if you had the power to do something about it, as Jesus did. But I don't know specifically how Jesus would have dealt with sexual abuse. I do know He gave a very grave warning to any that would offend one of His little ones. An offense didn't mean hurting someone's feelings by correcting them, but it meant causing or influencing someone to sin either directly or passively or through neglect. Which means everyone has been an offender. At least I don't know any that hasn't, including myself, and I know a lot of people. When Jesus makes the threat of the millstone for "offending the little ones who believe in me", he is not talking about children. He is talking about Christians who become child-like. If you read the entire passage in context, that will be clear, and most Bible commentaries also make this distinction. In the vein of "last shall be first", it is entirely possible that a notorious child predator who believes could be one of the "little ones" and his atheist victim could be the one who causes offense. It may be more useful to do a "background check" on Jesus and see how he interacted with CSA offenders. During the transfiguration, Jesus appeared with an unrepentant Moses. We read about Moses in Numbers 31: "And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." In this case, the "little ones" were certainly children, both those be slaughtered, and those that God had made a sexual gift to the soldiers (apparently knowing their appetites). Most religious leaders will attempt to hide these things, but once your eyes are opened, you have to make a moral decision about whether you can worship a deity with this horrifying character. I do not agree with you. Jesus took a child on His lap and taught His disciples the value of a little child and to be childlike and not to harm one of these. It is never in the nature of Jesus that one of His little ones would be harmed and that absolutely would include little children. Matthew 18:2,6 KJV And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, [6] But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Jesus did away with the laws of the old testament. No more killing. No revenge. He never supported sin but He came to save the sinner. Has God changed? No. He still hates those things just as much but now through Jesus He is holding out hope.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 16, 2020 0:01:05 GMT -5
No! I was talking about people doing the policing. So in your scenario where the parents sits on her can and let’s the perp do his dirty evil to her daughter is not doing her policing. Mi agree that humans have due diligence to do policing. Everyone of us. I also think parents who allow such done to their children or actually pay no heed when children tell them it happened, should lose their children for a length of time until they’ve taken parenting classes that address parental responsibilities. Plus instruction for parents to make it where they children Will tell them such occasions or even occasions when the child has felt threatened or uncomfortable. I firmly believe that God intends that humans use the brains and other natural blessings to take care of themselves and those they’re responsible for. Mits not unlike nurses and doctors have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their respons to mankind. We could start blaspheming God for allowing illnesses, diseases, and accidents that all compromise the wellness of humans. I guess that’ll be your next beef? "Doctors and nurses have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their responsibility to mankind." Sorry to get off topic but I worked many years in that industry and I could write books of the atrocities of some of those with extensive training and education we think of as professionals. I could get PTSD from just thinking about some of those things. Report them and it would get swept under the rug and you would become the target. Much good has been done but the evil... you don't wanna know. I’m sorry you’ve known about such things from medical personnel. However I’ve spent a lifetime working many, many long hours helping to patch people up so they can get better and continue down their chosen road. The continuation of education requirements are to keep such people up to date on the best helps available. That which you’ve seemed to find out , is there are evil people in every walk of life. But the majority still trudges on to try to make people’s lives better.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 16, 2020 0:05:32 GMT -5
1. Abuse is found in many many groups -dports,school,church,family...It is not just a church problem - it is a problem for all society. Those that say they are Christian's and those that Gods says are Chridtisns could be very different!! Those that say they are christians and those that God says are christians very likely ARE very different. After all, only FEW are apparently saved. Many are called but few are chosen. God does the choosing.
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2020 0:18:53 GMT -5
Some parents may be afraid to notify authorities lest they be put out of the fellowship...and then go to a lost eternity when they die. The police aren't going to accept this reasoning though. If you allow your children to be abused, you are covering up CSA. You could go to jail or lose custody of your children. Abraham was willing to gut his own child to make God happy. For believers, sacrificing your children to God and his messengers isn't just about fear. The Godhead was revealing to Abraham and the humans God's plans of Redemption for mankind through Isaac and the Ram caught in the thickest/briar - a very prickly woody vine. Abraham is God and Isaac is us humans sinners to die for our sins/the Second Death to be cast into the Lake of fire! and the Ram caught in the thickest to be offered instead of Isaac. The Ram is Jesus who took our place died on Calvary's to redeem Adam/Eve and all of their fallen human children to go FREE and able to enter to heaven.
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Post by Grant on Feb 16, 2020 1:23:38 GMT -5
No! I was talking about people doing the policing. So in your scenario where the parents sits on her can and let’s the perp do his dirty evil to her daughter is not doing her policing. Mi agree that humans have due diligence to do policing. Everyone of us. I also think parents who allow such done to their children or actually pay no heed when children tell them it happened, should lose their children for a length of time until they’ve taken parenting classes that address parental responsibilities. Plus instruction for parents to make it where they children Will tell them such occasions or even occasions when the child has felt threatened or uncomfortable. I firmly believe that God intends that humans use the brains and other natural blessings to take care of themselves and those they’re responsible for. Mits not unlike nurses and doctors have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their respons to mankind. We could start blaspheming God for allowing illnesses, diseases, and accidents that all compromise the wellness of humans. I guess that’ll be your next beef? "Doctors and nurses have to undergo extensive education and training to take care of their responsibility to mankind." Sorry to get off topic but I worked many years in that industry and I could write books of the atrocities of some of those with extensive training and education we think of as professionals. I could get PTSD from just thinking about some of those things. Report them and it would get swept under the rug and you would become the target. Much good has been done but the evil... you don't wanna know. What was your role?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 16, 2020 7:54:12 GMT -5
Wally I am going to give them that truth ! I have supplied in very detailed statements that linger with me . I can tell you in one case I described the curtains . Exactly what they looked during the abuse that night .Some CSA can &? do the speak . Sadly some are so scarred and scared they cannot speak . I get it . I didn’t just wake up on a random day and decide to start this journey without a purpose . Soon but I cannot tell when , there will be a link and number so those abused can tell their story . They don’t have to give their name . Their names will not be printed .Law enforcement is needed . I have asked 3 workers . They will not answer so they will be compelled by the law . Will the offenders lie ? They are all professing ! I am seeking . There is a purpose for my journey .
2019 Didsbury #2 John McCraken spoke of a worker he had just put out from the truth because of the abuse . It is still happening ! Watch and listen .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 16, 2020 8:01:44 GMT -5
Sadly abuse is like addiction . However at the end of it . It brings all of man kind to their knees . Addiction of any type levels the playing field . We are all equal .
But we have to speak !
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Post by snow on Feb 16, 2020 14:55:53 GMT -5
Abraham was willing to kill his son because he thought God wanted him too. The bible story says he didn't have to in the end. But the fact that he was willing to is what horrifies me. I worked in corrections and I have met people that have done exactly that, killed their children because they thought god told them to. Unfortunately for those children god didn't provide a substitute sacrifice. It's a dangerous story for unbalanced people to believe in. So far God hasn't intervened in any of these real life instances and provided the parent with a substitute. I'm pretty sure the story in the OT is just an analogy to show absolute faith, but it's a dangerous one because there is always going to be someone that takes it literally and is unbalanced enough to carry through. [br If anyone killed their child, it wasn't God that asked them to do it. I agree. I don't believe in Gods, but I do know that there are people who do believe in Gods and try to justify their horrific behavior by saying that God commanded them to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 15:22:41 GMT -5
This is sick, putting that terrible photo of Abraham about to kill that child. As if intelligent people can’t visualise something terrible they may read. It should be removed but ....I don’t think there is an administrator even aware of what goes on here at present.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 16:23:38 GMT -5
This is sick, putting that terrible photo of Abraham about to kill that child. As if intelligent people can’t visualise something terrible they may read. It should be removed but ....I don’t think there is an administrater even aware of what goes on here at present. well thank your fellow atheist openingact34....are you one of those types like ant_rotten that want to censure everything they personally don't like? history(pictures or not) is history get over it....
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 16, 2020 16:52:58 GMT -5
If you cannot open and use your brain you will not learn .
First and foremost I am stating one more time how CSA continues . Any sexually abused person , be it a man , woman or child . May go down that path of destruction . With a small child or teenage even might make seek a way to stop the pain . I do believe 2 children took their lives rather than live as a 2X2’s . They were very young . What took them to such darkness ? Again I ask for a human answer , that is it answered without a quote from the bible please .,
When that person comes to you , you don’t ask questions , you absolutely don’t touch them physically unless they fall into your arms .
You take that wounded soul to the hospital . You don’t call the police or a worker . In Canada 🇨🇦 anyway . You are there to minimize the trauma . Beyond the physical act of abuse there is a unraveling of the mind in that person . Which sometimes requires medication to be able to speak . If you are a man you will have male officers and doctors . If you are a woman you have female officers and a female doctor . If you bring a victim to a police station there may not be female officers available . The worker’s are not doctors or police . Taking them to police the police station cannot provide the safety , they are scrambling in that moment of trauma . You take them to the safety of a medical team . They call the police and specialists , The come to the victim . Some times surgery is needed . You are vaccinated every 3 months in case of a sexually transmitted disease . After that you go twice a year . You start therapy as soon as possible . Because the human body breaks down from the trauma . They provide the safety net needed and catch the victim before they indulge in self harm . You don’t go into a small interview room at a police station . You are brought to a safe place . A room with a couch if you feel like you can’t sit up because you are broken and raw at that point , food and drinks offered , blankets whatever they need . Then the doctors and police make a decision . They are there to keep you safe . All the professionals required come to the victim . It’s possible that sometimes the victim cannot return home . if the abuse happened in the home . Once again depending on the circumstances you may be put in a hotel . You have many people around you . Too make sure you can feel safe as you try to process and they make still be medicated to help them heal . It’s sad to say that men very rarely report , because there is a huge stigma . A taboo ! No one is exempt .
How many CSA survivors sat in that room while the worker’s made new rules ? Did they get to even speak ? Where they old enough to speak ? Were they given that chance to tell the dynamic’s of the abuse ? I am seeking answers without a bible verse being brought up to justify . Don’t lean on the bible 24/7 . It’s a book made from paper , with the words made up by humans . You must have a moral guide and conscience . We were all given one to use . If you hear about something , if you don’t address it you are complicit . You are taking part of the abuser .
If it’s unfounded so be it . But if you stay silent it will continue . 3 generations in our family have endured some form of abuse . I am heading to the goal post with a purpose as I made the decision to not be complicit .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 16, 2020 17:09:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately many abusers have been abused . The mind of the abusers are actually wired differently in their brain . Yes that has been proven .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 17:26:57 GMT -5
This is sick, putting that terrible photo of Abraham about to kill that child. As if intelligent people can’t visualise something terrible they may read. It should be removed but ....I don’t think there is an administrater even aware of what goes on here at present. well thank your fellow atheist openingact34....are you one of those types like ant_rotten that want to censure everything they personally don't like? history(pictures or not) is history get over it.... Wally I don’t know why you are angry towards me because. A. I have never stated I am an atheist on this proboard. B. I don’t actually condone opening acts posts. (He certainly is not of the same spirit as Snow.) C. I refrain. I don’t want to have a nasty debate with you
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Post by iam on Feb 16, 2020 17:29:51 GMT -5
Those that say they are christians and those that God says are christians very likely ARE very different. After all, only FEW are apparently saved. Many are called but few are chosen. God does the choosing. That's interesting because I always felt that I chose God, not the other way around. It bothered me so much that I prayed and asked Him to choose me. The experience is personal, but, He did.
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Post by snow on Feb 16, 2020 17:36:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately many abusers have been abused . The mind of the abusers are actually wired differently in their brain . Yes that has been proven . It definitely alters how we think. Not all I suppose, but I think a majority of people that have been abused, raped etc. do have a different way of viewing their world.
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Post by iam on Feb 16, 2020 17:45:20 GMT -5
well thank your fellow atheist openingact34....are you one of those types like ant_rotten that want to censure everything they personally don't like? history(pictures or not) is history get over it.... Wally I don’t know why you are angry towards me because. A. I have never stated I am an atheist on this proboard. B. I don’t actually condone opening acts posts. (He certainly is not of the same spirit as Snow.) C. I refrain. I don’t want to have a nasty debate with you "Get over it"... I have said that before and you don't realize how insensitive it is until you hear someone else say it😬. No offense, Wally, it's just a good reminder to be kinder.
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