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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 16, 2020 19:20:27 GMT -5
Many are called but few are chosen. God does the choosing. That's interesting because I always felt that I chose God, not the other way around. It bothered me so much that I prayed and asked Him to choose me. The experience is personal, but, He did. I think the choice to be open to God, to believe in Him, and to continue to serve him is definitely ours. Like Joshua said, “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” God does give a certain amount of free will, but it also comes down to him choosing whom he knows he can rely on in the long run. Since it’s him that gives the gift of faith, we can be assured he has chosen us. Then we continue to ask him for continued or increased or stable faith, he gives it. By you asking him to choose you, was a sign to him that you were truly his! No one is going to ask that if their choice isn’t for him! Bless your heart! That’s very helpful to me.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 24, 2020 20:24:20 GMT -5
If you cannot open and use your brain you will not learn . First and foremost I am stating one more time how CSA continues . Any sexually abused person , be it a man , woman or child . May go down that path of destruction . With a small child or teenage even might make seek a way to stop the pain . I do believe 2 children took their lives rather than live as a 2X2’s . They were very young . What took them to such darkness ? Again I ask for a human answer , that is it answered without a quote from the bible please ., When that person comes to you , you don’t ask questions , you absolutely don’t touch them physically unless they fall into your arms . You take that wounded soul to the hospital . You don’t call the police or a worker . In Canada 🇨🇦 anyway . You are there to minimize the trauma . Beyond the physical act of abuse there is a unraveling of the mind in that person . Which sometimes requires medication to be able to speak . If you are a man you will
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 24, 2020 20:36:19 GMT -5
Harvey Weinstein found GUILTY ON 2 sex assault charges . His name prompted the #metoo . This is a land breaking time . Along with the death of Jeffery Epstein . This verdict sets a precedent and hope that any man , woman or child abused , now know if they speak loud we are listening . Good luck Harvey ! I am sure they will single cell you and keep you away from mainstream criminal’s . They may be criminals but Harvey you are called a skinnier . The lowest of the low . Some criminals have standards !! You also have another jail name . It’s Goof , kinda have to go to jail a few times to learn . Unfortunately Harvey you are a marked man . Good luck buddy ! Welcome to the jungle dude .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 21:41:21 GMT -5
If you cannot open and use your brain you will not learn . First and foremost I am stating one more time how CSA continues . Any sexually abused person , be it a man , woman or child . May go down that path of destruction . With a small child or teenage even might make seek a way to stop the pain . I do believe 2 children took their lives rather than live as a 2X2’s . They were very young . What took them to such darkness ? Again I ask for a human answer , that is it answered without a quote from the bible please ., When that person comes to you , you don’t ask questions , you absolutely don’t touch them physically unless they fall into your arms . You take that wounded soul to the hospital . You don’t call the police or a worker . In Canada 🇨🇦 anyway . You are there to minimize the trauma . Beyond the physical act of abuse there is a unraveling of the mind in that person . Which sometimes requires medication to be able to speak . If you are a man you will are you talking about the 2 australian kids that committed suicide? there are a number of ideas about why they did that...i don't remember CSA being one of them...could be wrong...sorry something wrong with this post its showing it as chinese's post when its mine...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Feb 24, 2020 21:50:23 GMT -5
As I said we don’t know why ? CSA maybe ? A fractured mind of a 2X2 child trying to be a child ? I didn’t say it was CSA . I just asked what took them to such darkness ?
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Post by rational on Feb 29, 2020 22:45:17 GMT -5
As I said we don’t know why ? CSA maybe ? A fractured mind of a 2X2 child trying to be a child ? I didn’t say it was CSA . I just asked what took them to such darkness ? believe you said: I do believe 2 children took their lives rather than live as a 2X2’s .In this post you said you didn't know. If that is the case do you think posting uninformed speculation of what might have been the cause is wise?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 1, 2020 11:56:43 GMT -5
Every type of abuse happens . But what would drive those two kids , young souls to commit suicide . I heard they stated the truth had ruined their lives . Being a 2X2 , CSA , Mental Health , born different ? Who knows but speculation should continue in matters . Hope you can see where I am going with cause I’m not capable . Symptoms of Children Who are Victims of Sexual Abuse SYMPTOMS OF CHILDREN WHO ARE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE or any type of abuse . Symptoms of Children Who are Victims of Sexual Abuse Potential warning signs for children who are victims of sexual abuse.Since perpetrators of sexual abuse are often older than the child victim, and children are generally taught that their elders are right, they may believe the abuse is their fault. They may experience feelings of loyalty and affection for the abuser and believe that anything sexual is wrong. These beliefs may lead children to think they are dirty and damaged. While some children will rage and rebel as a result of these thoughts, others may become quiet and compliant. We might notice some of the following symptoms in children who are victims of sexual abuse Depression and/or withdrawal from others, including God Anxiety Nervousness, especially about being alone Fear of people who remind them of their abuse by hyper vigilance Anger Change in appetite and/or eating disorders Suicidal and/or other self-harming behaviors Low self-esteem and feelings of worthlessness Sleep problems including nightmares Trouble concentrating Confusion Unusual aggressivenessLack of trust Secretiveness Conduct issues Excessive compliance Refusal to go to school Abnormal interest in anything of a sexual nature Complaints of something wrong in the genital area . Seductive behaviors Adult survivors of child sexual abuse may exhibit many of the above symptoms as well as the following additional symptoms, especially if the emotional trauma is left untreated: Excessive drive to perform to prove their worth Addictions to substances, sex, pornography and/or work Higher likelihood of developing stress-related health problems, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, heart attack, and stroke Higher likelihood of abusing and/or manipulating others in order to stay in control Body Image problems Sexual dysfunction . Someone stated about the act of suicide is selfish . My husband committed SUICIDE .It was not selfishness . When you have bi-polar and schizophrenia , they are not in their mind anywhere . They are incoherent , unable to process and manage the voices in their head . Stop taking meds . It is not selfish they didn’t ask for it . There is no reality in their lives . Good think I work with junkies . I have learned a lot . My husband had peace finally and when have healed . We don’t fault him !!!!! We still love him always . They are broken , bottom line . I don’t it’s wise to apply that label to some who are so mentally impaired they don’t think . He is in Abraham’s bosom . Lived it !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 1, 2020 12:05:13 GMT -5
I am going somewhere with this trying to pull messages together requires time today I feel like I got hit by a bus last week . Too many protests Wednesday , Friday and Saturday But read what abuse can do . Unfortunately I ended up pretty broken on that check list .Opinions always welcomed Rational thx
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 1, 2020 13:16:43 GMT -5
Should have sent that to editing . I am hard to follow but at the end of the day , they figure it out . They break it down and ask pointed questions . Sometimes 15 . They get my messages . I feel so bad for them !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 1, 2020 13:45:38 GMT -5
When my dad passed I screamed and wailed I was never able to go back driving my bus . Had my ex who lived downstairs noticed that I had not moved during the early a.m. we would not be talking . I almost made it to the finish line . I loved that job or any type of work . Transit Operator . I have to ask questions about how I get somewhere now ..My most precious dad spent hours riding my bus . Mom would drop 💧 him off at my route , when my shift was over I took him home . His tattoo is on my left part of my shoulder Mom will be on my right . If only someone suspected it , I would maybe have had a better life . I was born different . Not meant for the cruelty I was given . Ok 😢 now time to go ! This world is to harsh for me . Same as cuz’s wives .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 2, 2020 8:53:24 GMT -5
Scary to read . Yes CSA happens everywhere . cbc.ca Scouts Canada policy on child abuse checks 'makes absolutely no sense,' says mom who pulled kids from program Caitlyn Gowriluk 2 hrs ago
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 2, 2020 9:44:18 GMT -5
I spoke with my youngest yesterday , even though I am trying tough love .? She is presently in treatment . Where she needs to be . It is a mental health and drug treatment centre . It’s called co-occurring . She is having terrible pain as they are still in the withdrawal phase . Her muscles are constricted . They are using 300mg of gabapentin to help . Once again not blaming the truth totally but she was abused and this is not what I would wish for anyone .
Please if you have a feeling that something is happening in CSA PLEASE KNOW YOU CAN SPEAK !
We are still working on the link for those searching . We will continue to heal
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Post by marie on Apr 1, 2024 9:20:32 GMT -5
I started this tread 5 years ago. I am so glad so many are finally seeing the light or having the strength to speak out.
When I was contacted a few months ago and told how this was finally being acted upon I was happy and anger at the same time. Happy so many of us were finally vindicated but angry that we were not listened too or treated with respect long ago.
I have yet to have one worker or friend apologies for how they treated me or my family when we stood up for abused children in our meeting which led to our leaving the church.
So, my question is this, how they have changed if they still don't acknowledge the wrong, they have done to those who no longer go to meeting.
Making amends to those you have wronged is to everyone not those you feel are not going to ask you hard questions.
They have destroyed families and relationships and taken no responsibility.
All worker and friends have the ability to get my contact info. I have many siblings, nieces and nephews who still go to meeting.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 1, 2024 23:57:15 GMT -5
I did see one very lame apology from an overseer, I think the one who replaced Ira Hobbs, along the lines of he could have done more to prevent things happening.
But when put in context with everything else he was writing, it seemed to be more about "get the apology done, and now moving on". Let's preserve the system as we know it.
I think here in New Zealand the new overseer is moving in the right direction, but we certainly are not seeing any repenting in sackclocth and ashes. Graham Thompson (ex-worker who stood up for victims and slammed the oversight in Australia for it's handling of CSA, in a Special Meeting) is well due a public apology.
Everyday there is another layer of the rotting onion being peeled away to reveal yet more.
To say it disgusts me is an understatement. As a father, it makes me feel sick to my stomach.
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Post by help on Apr 2, 2024 5:07:23 GMT -5
I feel sincere empathy for good and decent 2x2's like Pragmatic and many others I know including members of our own families. It must hurt them deeply to see the Church they love receive bad publicity. It took me quite a few years as an ex to believe that CSA was prevalent within the 2x2 Church. It was only after some that we personally knew, were convicted and sentenced, that regrettably we had to believe it to be true.
I still have a problem getting my head around why it is so. To me it makes a mockery of all Churches teachings. It has been happening in Christian Churches since their very beginning which beggars belief. Why didn't the Churches teachings stop that immoral, indecent behaviour?. Not easy to find an answer for that question.
A lot of Predators have been Church Leaders. Unfortunately those in a position of power in a Church makes Church-goers give them unwarranted trust. This provides an ideal opportunity for those running the show, to do wrong and get away with it. Power of the Church should be with the congregation.
Leadership of Churches has been Male dominated for far too long. Women are generally less accepting of unethical behavior than Men and tend to behave more ethically in a wide variety of contexts. A Woman's love is so strong in the protection of Children and that would come to the forefront if they were given more power in the Churches structure.
Not an easy problem to fix, has been ingrained for too long. A lot of restructuring will be needed, something that those in power will oppose.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2024 1:30:18 GMT -5
I feel sincere empathy for good and decent 2x2's like Pragmatic and many others I know including members of our own families. It must hurt them deeply to see the Church they love receive bad publicity. It took me quite a few years as an ex to believe that CSA was prevalent within the 2x2 Church. It was only after some that we personally knew, were convicted and sentenced, that regrettably we had to believe it to be true. I still have a problem getting my head around why it is so. To me it makes a mockery of all Churches teachings. It has been happening in Christian Churches since their very beginning which beggars belief. Why didn't the Churches teachings stop that immoral, indecent behaviour?. Not easy to find an answer for that question. A lot of Predators have been Church Leaders. Unfortunately those in a position of power in a Church makes Church-goers give them unwarranted trust. This provides an ideal opportunity for those running the show, to do wrong and get away with it. Power of the Church should be with the congregation. Leadership of Churches has been Male dominated for far too long. Women are generally less accepting of unethical behavior than Men and tend to behave more ethically in a wide variety of contexts. A Woman's love is so strong in the protection of Children and that would come to the forefront if they were given more power in the Churches structure. Not an easy problem to fix, has been ingrained for too long. A lot of restructuring will be needed, something that those in power will oppose. Unfortunately, I think it will take enough restructuring to make the old structure seem a bit unrecognizable.
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