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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 2, 2019 13:11:08 GMT -5
Maybe Americans should look at the reason why there are so many drugs coming across the border. You know, supply and demand! If there was no demand, the problem would be solved without a wall. Maybe a documentary on how cocaine is actually made would help some people quit using it. It's pretty gross. Sulpheric acid, gasoline and other yummy things like that... As I have said before. Build the wall and it will be Americans climbing it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 2, 2019 13:14:29 GMT -5
Perhaps. I know from observation here that I would be thought of as even worse! That is simply plain ol silly of you to say that. Unless you are saying you have been up to disgusting tricks like Trump has.
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2019 14:35:53 GMT -5
Since the confiscation of drugs has increased without pushing up the drug traffic across the unmanned border what data do you have that leads you to believe there will be a sudden change? A discussion would be informative but you have yet to support your claim. human nature...if we are already thinking of ways to get across once the ports are squeezed why wouldn't the cartels and coyotes have similar thoughts? your ideas are very naive.... Well, you have your thoughts without the data to back them up. There is data to refute your claims. Of course, Trump says he has the money to build the wall and is currently building new sections of the wall. Even though those facts are lies it much make his loyal followers feel safe. One things the US did that reduced the cross border movement of one drug was the legalization of marijuana.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 17:09:31 GMT -5
human nature...if we are already thinking of ways to get across once the ports are squeezed why wouldn't the cartels and coyotes have similar thoughts? your ideas are very naive.... Well, you have your thoughts without the data to back them up. There is data to refute your claims. Of course, Trump says he has the money to build the wall and is currently building new sections of the wall. Even though those facts are lies it much make his loyal followers feel safe. One things the US did that reduced the cross border movement of one drug was the legalization of marijuana. i doubt that there is any reliable data on what a drug cartel does when a port or avenue of entry gets squeezed, quite witty to ask for something that probably doesn't exist....but by all means continue to be part of the problem and not part of a solution for our border....
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2019 23:20:28 GMT -5
Well, you have your thoughts without the data to back them up. There is data to refute your claims. Of course, Trump says he has the money to build the wall and is currently building new sections of the wall. Even though those facts are lies it much make his loyal followers feel safe. One things the US did that reduced the cross border movement of one drug was the legalization of marijuana. i doubt that there is any reliable data on what a drug cartel does when a port or avenue of entry gets squeezed, quite witty to ask for something that probably doesn't exist....but by all means continue to be part of the problem and not part of a solution for our border.... Come on @wally. Read about where the border agents say drugs enter what the country and stop listening to Trump. They at least know where the border is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 23:29:20 GMT -5
i doubt that there is any reliable data on what a drug cartel does when a port or avenue of entry gets squeezed, quite witty to ask for something that probably doesn't exist....but by all means continue to be part of the problem and not part of a solution for our border.... Come on @wally . Read about where the border agents say drugs enter what the country and stop listening to Trump. They at least know where the border is. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/and you need to read about how border agents want a wall....
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2019 23:41:55 GMT -5
Did you read what they said? Did they ever mention drugs? Here is the summary: In a survey conducted by the National Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union, they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations, embracing President Trump’s argument that it will boost their ability to nab or deter would-be illegal immigrants.Remember, your claim is that it would disrupt the flow of drugs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 23:44:58 GMT -5
Did you read what they said? Did they ever mention drugs? Here is the summary: In a survey conducted by the National Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union, they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations, embracing President Trump’s argument that it will boost their ability to nab or deter would-be illegal immigrants.Remember, your claim is that it would disrupt the flow of drugs. there are multiple reasons for the wall and if BP agents want the wall they want to curb all the problems associated with the border....
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2019 12:32:35 GMT -5
Did you read what they said? Did they ever mention drugs? Here is the summary: In a survey conducted by the National Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union, they overwhelmingly supported adding a “wall system” in strategic locations, embracing President Trump’s argument that it will boost their ability to nab or deter would-be illegal immigrants.Remember, your claim is that it would disrupt the flow of drugs. there are multiple reasons for the wall and if BP agents want the wall they want to curb all the problems associated with the border.... And still you do not have any data from anyone who actually works the border saying that the wall will cause a significant reduction of drugs across the border. If drugs can no longer be trucked through legal points of entry the next step would be to use drones. The Griff 300 can lift up to 660 pounds and deliver it. A 30 or 40 foot wall is meaningless. And natural barriers are of no concern. No one has to be even close to the takeoff and drop zones and they can fly so low that they are very difficult to detect. The multi-billion wall becomes, at last, when it really is - Trump's ego booster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:03:27 GMT -5
there are multiple reasons for the wall and if BP agents want the wall they want to curb all the problems associated with the border.... And still you do not have any data from anyone who actually works the border saying that the wall will cause a significant reduction of drugs across the border. If drugs can no longer be trucked through legal points of entry the next step would be to use drones. The Griff 300 can lift up to 660 pound and deliver it. A 30 or 40 foot wall is meaningless. And natural barriers are of no concern. No one has to be esven close to the takeoff and drop zones and they cab fly so low that they are very difficult to detect. The multi-billion wall becomes, at last, when it really is - Trump's ego booster. like i said continue to bury your head in the sand all you'll get is a sun burned butt...
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2019 17:13:04 GMT -5
And still you do not have any data from anyone who actually works the border saying that the wall will cause a significant reduction of drugs across the border. If drugs can no longer be trucked through legal points of entry the next step would be to use drones. The Griff 300 can lift up to 660 pound and deliver it. A 30 or 40 foot wall is meaningless. And natural barriers are of no concern. No one has to be esven close to the takeoff and drop zones and they cab fly so low that they are very difficult to detect. The multi-billion wall becomes, at last, when it really is - Trump's ego booster. like i said continue to bury your head in the sand all you'll get is a sun burned butt... Continue to build walls that do not accomplish what needs to be done and you will end up with something as effective as the Maginot line or Hadrian's wall. Drugs are killing people. Illegal aliens are not a serious threat. Resources are limited. Use them where they matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:25:25 GMT -5
like i said continue to bury your head in the sand all you'll get is a sun burned butt... Continue to build walls that do not accomplish what needs to be done and you will end up with something as effective as the Maginot line or Hadrian's wall. Drugs are killing people. Illegal aliens are not a serious threat. Resources are limited. Use them where they matter. the maginot line had huge gaps betwix them a wall would not...and hadrians wall was effective once it was put up there were hardly any attacks on record more illnesses took the garrisons lives than any actual fighting....
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Post by Dennis J on Feb 3, 2019 20:48:09 GMT -5
How many reading here have: 1. Lived along or very close to the border? 2. Personally visited with border patrol? 3. Flown along the border in a light aircraft? So swiftly the years pass.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 3, 2019 21:23:29 GMT -5
Continue to build walls that do not accomplish what needs to be done and you will end up with something as effective as the Maginot line or Hadrian's wall. Drugs are killing people. Illegal aliens are not a serious threat. Resources are limited. Use them where they matter. the maginot line had huge gaps betwix them a wall would not...and hadrians wall was effective once it was put up there were hardly any attacks on record more illnesses took the garrisons lives than any actual fighting.... The reason Hadrians wall didn't matter is because the Roman soldiers were called back to Rome
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2019 23:00:54 GMT -5
Continue to build walls that do not accomplish what needs to be done and you will end up with something as effective as the Maginot line or Hadrian's wall. Drugs are killing people. Illegal aliens are not a serious threat. Resources are limited. Use them where they matter. the maginot line had huge gaps betwix them a wall would not...and hadrians wall was effective once it was put up there were hardly any attacks on record more illnesses took the garrisons lives than any actual fighting.... The point is that neither was effective. In theory, perhaps. In practice - nope.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:11:17 GMT -5
the maginot line had huge gaps betwix them a wall would not...and hadrians wall was effective once it was put up there were hardly any attacks on record more illnesses took the garrisons lives than any actual fighting.... The point is that neither was effective. In theory, perhaps. In practice - nope. update your history on hadrians wall...as for the maginot line it was nothing like a wall....come up with a better comparison next time....
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Post by Dennis J on Feb 3, 2019 23:29:24 GMT -5
One thing easily overlooked by left and right is human advances which could make any provision now nearly obsolete overnight. For example, the Jetpack. Far too easy to plan as if the future will equal the past. Is there an answer? Possibly, but even that too will be opposed by those walking a different path, they will be too taken up with their reality being what is, rather than what could be.
So! What can be done now, that can be expected to last more than a few years? Must think outside any box... Not so easy, however there are some less apparent possible answers. Change American monetary standards overnight, making fiat dollars worthless equally rapidly. Drain the swamp, publicize the affairs and names of those involved in human trafficking of any kind, and so on.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 4, 2019 0:43:20 GMT -5
The point is that neither was effective. In theory, perhaps. In practice - nope. update your history on hadrians wall...as for the maginot line it was nothing like a wall....come up with a better comparison next time.... Much of it was used for road building, building houses and so on. The economic collapse of the Roman Empire along with continued attacks in every part of the empire meant they withdrew from Britain about 410. It was still occupied in parts by the Britons to keep the pesky picts at bay. It may also have dulled the sound of their damn bagpipes.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 4, 2019 0:50:37 GMT -5
The point is that neither was effective. In theory, perhaps. In practice - nope. update your history on hadrians wall...as for the maginot line it was nothing like a wall....come up with a better comparison next time.... Regarding the Maginot line it has remarkable similarities with Trumps proposed wall. The line has since become a metaphor for expensive efforts that offer a false sense of security.[3] from wiki.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 4, 2019 2:53:01 GMT -5
How many reading here have: 1. Lived along or very close to the border? 2. Personally visited with border patrol? 3. Flown along the border in a light aircraft? So swiftly the years pass. In this day with communication systems as quick and accurate as they are, people do not have to lived close to the border to know what is going on.
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Post by rational on Feb 4, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -5
The point is that neither was effective. In theory, perhaps. In practice - nope. update your history on hadrians wall. Perhaps I should. But from the little I know it seems that the concepts expressed by Scarre and Fagan in Ancient Civilizations are probably as accurate as any: Archaeologists and historians have long debated whether Hadrian’s Wall was an effective military barrier…Whatever its military effectiveness, however, it was clearly a powerful symbol of Roman military might. The biographer of Hadrian remarks that the emperor built the wall to separate the Romans from the barbarians. In the same way, the Chinese emperors built the Great Wall to separate China from the barbarous steppe peoples to the north. In both cases, in addition to any military function, the physical barriers served in the eyes of their builders to reinforce the conceptual divide between civilized and noncivilized. They were part of the ideology of empire. No, the Maginot line is physically nothing like a wall which it is not called the Maginot Wall. However it does serve as a good comparison since it was designed with the battles of WWI in mind and was to function as a wall to force anyone attacking to be forced to areas that were thought to give the French the advantage. At the time it did provide a false sense of security. Soldiers sitting in the bunkers or being moved underground in trains were safe. And the attackers recognized the difficulty presented and simply bypassed it. Just like they will bypass Trump's wall.
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