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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 11:58:56 GMT -5
one would have to apply magical thinking to believe things get done over night with any government that exists on the earth...good thing your not in charge the minute you hit a snag your off an running with your tail between your legs.... Two years Trump has had a majority in the senate and house and was unable to do most of what he tried. What is holding these projects back? Or do you mean Trump's shameful capitulation to Putin in Helsinki? Or his capitulation to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan? Or maybe you are thinking of his negotiations with Kim Jong-un. I am feeling so much safer. republicans AND democrats.... that might be your spin on it... i wonder what you think when obama capitulated to vlad with his comments ON MIKE(i paraphrase)"tell vlad once re-elected i'll have more flexability" did you feel safer then? or did you feel safer when hillary sold 20% of our uranium to the russians? or did you feel safer when hillary said "what difference does it make" over 4 of our guys being killed in benghazi?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 10, 2019 18:30:03 GMT -5
The Mexicans haven't made their down payment yet. i don't think thats the route hes gonna take do you? Of course not. He also always knew that the Mexicans weren't going to pay for it. The mere idea that they would is absolute lunatic ignorance. How many millions of Americans believed it would happen? How many millions still believe he's still going to get them to pay for it? How many ignorant people believe his as yet to be approved "deal" with Mexico believe his explanation that that's the way it's going to be paid for? Who thinks the 800,000,000 Americans who aren't getting paid tomorrow think it's their patriotic contribution to the safety of the country? BTW - the government shutdown has cancelled the pay for all the countries present national security workers. Yes, they can have garage sales to pay their mortgages and feed their families. Maybe you should head to the border with your guns -- volunteer work. I notice that they've also been assessing the Vermont border to see how many terrorists are lurking at that border and terrorizing the nearby residents. Oh for the days when Republicans believed in the Constitution!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 10, 2019 18:33:56 GMT -5
one would have to apply magical thinking to believe things get done over night with any government that exists on the earth...good thing your not in charge the minute you hit a snag your off an running with your tail between your legs.... Two years Trump has had a majority in the senate and house and was unable to do most of what he tried. What is holding these projects back? Or do you mean Trump's shameful capitulation to Putin in Helsinki? Or his capitulation to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan? Or maybe you are thinking of his negotiations with Kim Jong-un. I am feeling so much safer. If he does anything more to weaken the countries defenses he may just have in mind to invite an invitation to create a need for the wall, or maybe to permit the Russians, Turks, and North Koreans to invade and save us all from Obama and Hillary.
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Post by xna on Jan 10, 2019 18:38:47 GMT -5
New word
WALLNUTS
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 10, 2019 18:48:35 GMT -5
Remember the national hysteria over the United Nations armies poised to invade the country and the black helicopters who were threatening our whole civilized system. How gullible can this third of the American population be that they get so hysterical about such silly rantings of a nutcase?
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Post by rational on Jan 10, 2019 22:49:53 GMT -5
Two years Trump has had a majority in the senate and house and was unable to do most of what he tried. What is holding these projects back? Or do you mean Trump's shameful capitulation to Putin in Helsinki? Or his capitulation to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan? Or maybe you are thinking of his negotiations with Kim Jong-un. I am feeling so much safer. republicans AND democrats.... that might be your spin on it... i wonder what you think when obama capitulated to vlad with his comments ON MIKE(i paraphrase)"tell vlad once re-elected i'll have more flexability" did you feel safer then? Why would I feel either safe or not safe if the president was making it known that his negotiating ability would be more flexible once the politics of the election was out of the way? Nothing was being given away and the president was not giving more credence to the Russian version than to the information produced by US security agents. Had Clinton actually sold any uranium to the Russians I might have been concerned but since the transfer of ownership of the Uranium One processing plant, which did have the capacity to process 20% of the US uranium, was approved by several US departments, and Clinton as Secretary of State was one of 9 members on only one of them and did not have the power to approve or veto I was not concerned. If either Uranium One nor ARMZ was licensed to export uranium from the U.S. to other countries I might have been concerned. But I actually looked at what was happening instead of just listening to the the twisted version from Breitbart. I didn't feel safe nor unsafe when Clinton stated that there were four American dead and asked what difference it made whether the people attacking the embassy were part of a protest or a group of people out for a walk who decided to kill some Americans. I am sure I would have felt differently had I read the phrase out of context, as you did, and thought she was asking what difference did the death of 4 Americans make. From time to time you should check additional other sources for your information.
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2019 14:24:32 GMT -5
i don't think thats the route hes gonna take do you? Of course not. He also always knew that the Mexicans weren't going to pay for it. The mere idea that they would is absolute lunatic ignorance. How many millions of Americans believed it would happen? How many millions still believe he's still going to get them to pay for it? How many ignorant people believe his as yet to be approved "deal" with Mexico believe his explanation that that's the way it's going to be paid for? Who thinks the 800,000,000 Americans who aren't getting paid tomorrow think it's their patriotic contribution to the safety of the country? BTW - the government shutdown has cancelled the pay for all the countries present national security workers. Yes, they can have garage sales to pay their mortgages and feed their families. Maybe you should head to the border with your guns -- volunteer work. I notice that they've also been assessing the Vermont border to see how many terrorists are lurking at that border and terrorizing the nearby residents. Oh for the days when Republicans believed in the Constitution! Vermont border?? What are they afraid of being invaded by them french Quebecers lol... They are getting beyond crazy!
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2019 14:27:09 GMT -5
Remember the national hysteria over the United Nations armies poised to invade the country and the black helicopters who were threatening our whole civilized system. How gullible can this third of the American population be that they get so hysterical about such silly rantings of a nutcase? Or look how many believed this was happening.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2019 15:15:26 GMT -5
Of course not. He also always knew that the Mexicans weren't going to pay for it. The mere idea that they would is absolute lunatic ignorance. How many millions of Americans believed it would happen? How many millions still believe he's still going to get them to pay for it? How many ignorant people believe his as yet to be approved "deal" with Mexico believe his explanation that that's the way it's going to be paid for? Who thinks the 800,000,000 Americans who aren't getting paid tomorrow think it's their patriotic contribution to the safety of the country? BTW - the government shutdown has cancelled the pay for all the countries present national security workers. Yes, they can have garage sales to pay their mortgages and feed their families. Maybe you should head to the border with your guns -- volunteer work. I notice that they've also been assessing the Vermont border to see how many terrorists are lurking at that border and terrorizing the nearby residents. Oh for the days when Republicans believed in the Constitution! Vermont border?? What are they afraid of being invaded by them french Quebecers lol... They are getting beyond crazy! Fact of the matter is that since Trump was elected people have been flooding from Vermont into Quebec.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2019 15:19:17 GMT -5
Remember the national hysteria over the United Nations armies poised to invade the country and the black helicopters who were threatening our whole civilized system. How gullible can this third of the American population be that they get so hysterical about such silly rantings of a nutcase? Or look how many believed this was happening. A symptom of a poorly educated populace.
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Post by snow on Jan 11, 2019 16:17:51 GMT -5
Or look how many believed this was happening. A symptom of a poorly educated populace. That still appears to be the problem. Some of the things people belief is beyond understanding.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 26, 2019 1:09:04 GMT -5
What wall? The art of the deal is looking increasingly desperate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 8:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Jan 26, 2019 10:21:45 GMT -5
"We'll just have to see what happens."
....still waiting for the "3-D Chess".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 26, 2019 13:36:54 GMT -5
Did you check the "facts" he mentioned to see if they were true?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 13:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 26, 2019 14:06:14 GMT -5
Thanks for that Wally. Will a wall stop the movement of drugs? Probably not as those fellas will just come up with another way of moving it. Will a wall stop crime? It may have an effect but like the drugs they will find another way.
What is being done in the way of drug education and prevention of ever becoming an addict? Do these people committing crimes have a home and a job or do they commit crime to survive?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 14:19:49 GMT -5
Thanks for that Wally. Will a wall stop the movement of drugs? Probably not as those fellas will just come up with another way of moving it. Will a wall stop crime? It may have an effect but like the drugs they will find another way. What is being done in the way of drug education and prevention of ever becoming an addict? Do these people committing crimes have a home and a job or do they commit crime to survive? it will stop some but no it wont stop all....nothing will stop 100% of crime no matter what we do... we use to have "just say no" campaign against drugs with the kids don't know if that is still going on or not...
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Post by matisse on Jan 26, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -5
1. Crime statistics for undocumented immigrants in Arizona, the land of convicted law enforcement felon, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.....what could possibly be amiss? 2. Also deemed "true" by Politifact, regarding heroin coming over the mexican border: Majority of opioids come to U.S. through points of entry, Lowey says Even a "from sea to shining sea" wall would do nothing to reduce the flow of opioids through "points of entry" along the border.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 14:41:44 GMT -5
1. Crime statistics for undocumented immigrants in Arizona, the land of convicted law enforcement felon, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.....what could possibly be amiss? 2. Also deemed "true" by Politifact, regarding heroin coming over the mexican border: Majority of opioids come to U.S. through points of entry, Lowey says Even a "from sea to shining sea" wall would do nothing to reduce the flow of opioids through "points of entry" along the border. 1. the stat has nothing to do with arpaio 2. they still admit some drugs are coming through the border outside of ports of entry...you either do the job right or don't do it at all.... 3. and if the demo 's had approved of Trumps border security bill we would have gotten a few thousand drug detection machines for ports but no they rejected that idea too....
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Post by matisse on Jan 26, 2019 14:57:49 GMT -5
1. Crime statistics for undocumented immigrants in Arizona, the land of convicted law enforcement felon, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.....what could possibly be amiss? 2. Also deemed "true" by Politifact, regarding heroin coming over the mexican border: Majority of opioids come to U.S. through points of entry, Lowey says Even a "from sea to shining sea" wall would do nothing to reduce the flow of opioids through "points of entry" along the border. 1. the stat has nothing to do with arpaio 2. they still admit some drugs are coming through the border outside of ports of entry...you either do the job right or don't do it at all.... 3. and if the demo 's had approved of Trumps border security bill we would have gotten a few thousand drug detection machines for ports but no they rejected that idea too.... 1. An arrest-happy attitude of law enforcement toward a targeted/profiled group of people will, of course, influence the statistics. People like Arpaio set the tone. 2. All/none thinking... 3. More all/none thinking. Rejecting Trump's bill, as presented, doesn't mean the Democrats would not ever approve some of its parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 16:23:59 GMT -5
1. the stat has nothing to do with arpaio 2. they still admit some drugs are coming through the border outside of ports of entry...you either do the job right or don't do it at all.... 3. and if the demo 's had approved of Trumps border security bill we would have gotten a few thousand drug detection machines for ports but no they rejected that idea too.... 1. An arrest-happy attitude of law enforcement toward a targeted/profiled group of people will, of course, influence the statistics. People like Arpaio set the tone. 2. All/none thinking... 3. More all/none thinking. Rejecting Trump's bill, as presented, doesn't mean the Democrats would not ever approve some of its parts. 1. can't do the time don't do the crime.... 2. it works... 3. sorry they are on record rejecting the machines....
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2019 20:59:12 GMT -5
1. An arrest-happy attitude of law enforcement toward a targeted/profiled group of people will, of course, influence the statistics. People like Arpaio set the tone. 2. All/none thinking... 3. More all/none thinking. Rejecting Trump's bill, as presented, doesn't mean the Democrats would not ever approve some of its parts. 1. can't do the time don't do the crime.... 2. it works... 3. sorry they are on record rejecting the machines.... Didn't the bill that included $805 million for "drug detection technology to help secure our ports of entry" also include $5.7 billion to build his proposed border wall? The wall that 60+% of voters do not want. At last someone has stood up against the demands of the toddler in the oval office.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 22:08:47 GMT -5
1. can't do the time don't do the crime.... 2. it works... 3. sorry they are on record rejecting the machines.... Didn't the bill that included $805 million for "drug detection technology to help secure our ports of entry" also include $5.7 billion to build his proposed border wall? The wall that 60+% of voters do not want. At last someone has stood up against the demands of the toddler in the oval office. now that the shutdown is over new cbs poll out(i know you love polls) 53% say do the wall funding 43% say don't do the wall funding....
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2019 13:38:26 GMT -5
Didn't the bill that included $805 million for "drug detection technology to help secure our ports of entry" also include $5.7 billion to build his proposed border wall? The wall that 60+% of voters do not want. At last someone has stood up against the demands of the toddler in the oval office. now that the shutdown is over new cbs poll out(i know you love polls) 53% say do the wall funding 43% say don't do the wall funding.... Do you have a reference? The latest CBS poll I have seen was January 23. These were taken before Trump folded: It will be interesting to see the data you have referenced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 16:29:51 GMT -5
now that the shutdown is over new cbs poll out(i know you love polls) 53% say do the wall funding 43% say don't do the wall funding.... Do you have a reference? The latest CBS poll I have seen was January 23. These were taken before Trump folded: It will be interesting to see the data you have referenced. thats the one....
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2019 18:29:46 GMT -5
Do you have a reference? The latest CBS poll I have seen was January 23. These were taken before Trump folded: It will be interesting to see the data you have referenced. thats the one.... OK. I was a bit confused and (surprised) by: now that the shutdown is over new cbs poll out(i know you love polls) 53% say do the wall funding 43% say don't do the wall funding.... I thought maybe support for the wall had shifted. Whew.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 27, 2019 23:32:42 GMT -5
Thanks for that Wally. Will a wall stop the movement of drugs? Probably not as those fellas will just come up with another way of moving it. Will a wall stop crime? It may have an effect but like the drugs they will find another way. What is being done in the way of drug education and prevention of ever becoming an addict? Do these people committing crimes have a home and a job or do they commit crime to survive? The irony of the whole wall/terrorist proposal by Trump is that of all the foreign terrorists caught at border terminals, most of them are apprehended at the Canadian border. Fewer than 10 "suspects" have been caught at the Mexican border, and most of them were found to be nothing more than suspects. The vast majority of terrorists headed for the US are intercepted before they ever board an airplane in a foreign country. From my own experience, don't think you can even smuggle your prescription medication through the airport in Montreal.
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