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Post by jetmech on Nov 8, 2018 21:46:34 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this?
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Post by xna on Nov 8, 2018 22:06:06 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? As they say; If you don’t sin then Jesus died for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 23:09:47 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? hebrews 6 goes over it...i believe that if we permanently fall away from Christ we crucify him again not just every day sins that are going to occur no matter what we do....but rest assured new each morning are his mercies...
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Post by nathan on Nov 8, 2018 23:44:47 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? hebrews 6 goes over it...i believe that if we permanently fall away from Christ we crucify him again not just every day sins that are going to occur no matter what we do....but rest assured new each morning are his mercies... Amen, Wally.... As born again believers we will continue to live in the humans bodies we will continue to sins, make mistakes but REST assured Jesus BLOOD cleanses our sins every day and God's mercies RENEW each morning.
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Post by tuesday on Nov 9, 2018 2:22:22 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? Interesting. I remember hearing/reading that comment before, but I can't remember if I heard it in a meeting or read it in a book. I haven't thought too much about this before, so I may change my mind about this.... but I think I agree with you. I shouldn't continue to sin (but I do!), but all this doesn't mean Jesus is crucified over and over again. Hebrews 7 talks about the High Priest Jesus who only needed to sacrifice for us once. I like to think that his sacrifice was so powerful and timeless that it covers all past/present/future sins. Perhaps a better way of wording the original sentiment would be to say that our sin hurts or offends God? “Oh to win his smile each day...”
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Post by nathan on Nov 9, 2018 10:52:23 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? Interesting. I remember hearing/reading that comment before, but I can't remember if I heard it in a meeting or read it in a book. I haven't thought too much about this before, so I may change my mind about this.... but I think I agree with you. I shouldn't continue to sin (but I do!), but all this doesn't mean Jesus is crucified over and over again. Hebrews 7 talks about the High Priest Jesus who only needed to sacrifice for us once. I like to think that his sacrifice was so powerful and timeless that it covers all past/present/future sins. Perhaps a better way of wording the original sentiment would be to say that our sin hurts or offends God? “Oh to win his smile each day...” ** Amen, Tuesday... I don't believe we will ever fully comprehend the awesomeness and appreciation of Jesus atonement for our past/present/future sins on this side of life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 11:30:43 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? As they say; If you don’t sin then Jesus died for nothing. isn't that something? Also, if you don't sin, you'll be the Christ.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Nov 9, 2018 11:32:14 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? This famous minister takes being overdramatic to a new level. I am sure that those who believe him will be emotionally screwed up. Since everyone sins at some level, his followers are probably filled with constant guilt and anxiety.
He has so many available options to carry the gospel, but he spent time, effort and energy to deliver this crazy message? no thank you mr. famous minister
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Post by jetmech on Nov 9, 2018 23:07:27 GMT -5
lol … I think I agree … what a guilt trip!
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 10, 2018 1:14:31 GMT -5
Jesus never went to the cross to have us told by a "preacher"only minister that we are worthy or unworthy to be in the 2x2s?? Did He??
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2018 17:06:42 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? Well first of all, he wasn't crucified the first time for your sins. He was crucified because the Sanhedrin feared him and the Roman army decided he was committing treason. So....
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Post by nathan on Nov 11, 2018 17:14:22 GMT -5
I've been listening to a famous minister and he says we crucify Jesus again every time we sin and that we're driving nails in his hands all over again each time we sin. I am sincere about this question, because I know I'm a sinner. Really I think I'll rephrase my question to " .., Am I recrucifying Christ each time I sin ..?" Inatead of 'us' and 'we'. I just can't buy into this minister's statement. I mean ... Christ died for my sins. He suffered miserably for my sins ... I can agree that I should not continue to sin; but, I,can't agree I'm recrucifying him. Wonder what the truth is about this? Well first of all, he wasn't crucified the first time for your sins. He was crucified because the Sanhedrin feared him and the Roman army decided he was committing treason. So.... The Sanhedrin counsel and the Romans rulers fulfilled God's plans of Salvation how Jesus was to pay for Adam/Eve and the rest of mankind Sins. It was planned and chosen by God before the foundation of the world Jesus was to shed his blood for the sins of humanity.
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2018 17:20:20 GMT -5
Well first of all, he wasn't crucified the first time for your sins. He was crucified because the Sanhedrin feared him and the Roman army decided he was committing treason. So.... The Sanhedrin counsel and the Romans rulers fulfilled God's plans of Salvation how Jesus was to pay for Adam/Eve and the rest of mankind Sins. It was planned and chosen by God before the foundation of the world Jesus was to shed his blood for the sins of humanity.
I don't believe that. He was causing trouble and he died for it. Right or wrong, that's why he was crucified.
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Post by nathan on Nov 11, 2018 17:58:46 GMT -5
The Sanhedrin counsel and the Romans rulers fulfilled God's plans of Salvation how Jesus was to pay for Adam/Eve and the rest of mankind Sins. It was planned and chosen by God before the foundation of the world Jesus was to shed his blood for the sins of humanity.
I don't believe that. He was causing trouble and he died for it. Right or wrong, that's why he was crucified. Jesus death was FORETOLD in 100 Old Testament scriptures more than 1000s yrs before it happened. www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2018 18:05:39 GMT -5
I don't believe that. He was causing trouble and he died for it. Right or wrong, that's why he was crucified. Jesus death was FORETOLD in 100 Old Testament scriptures more than 1000s yrs before it happened. www.100prophecies.org/page4.htmI don't know why people think they can say the bible is right, just because the bible says it's right? That's like me saying everything I say is right, because I say it's right. Doesn't work that way though. There needs to be outside verifying evidence. And, there isn't.
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Post by nathan on Nov 11, 2018 18:10:59 GMT -5
I don't know why people think they can say the bible is right, just because the bible says it's right? That's like me saying everything I say is right, because I say it's right. Doesn't work that way though. There needs to be outside verifying evidence. And, there isn't. The Bible is RIGHT because it was foretold about Jesus death with MANY great details like how his enemies cast lot for his garment, his dying words, "My God My God why hast thou forshaken me?" betrayed with a kiss by his friend/Judas, the list are more than 100 prophecies.
You, and the rest of humans beings can't see the future but God KNOWS and SEES the future and HE told the Old Testament prophets, kings and faithful believers about it so we can read and TRUST in God/Jesus wisdom and words/teachings.
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Post by snow on Nov 11, 2018 18:23:11 GMT -5
I don't know why people think they can say the bible is right, just because the bible says it's right? That's like me saying everything I say is right, because I say it's right. Doesn't work that way though. There needs to be outside verifying evidence. And, there isn't. The Bible is RIGHT because it was foretold about Jesus death with MANY great details like how his enemies cast lot for his garment, his dying words, "My God My God why hast thou forshaken me?" betrayed with a kiss by his friend/Judas, the list are more than 100 prophecies.
You, and the rest of humans beings can't see the future but God KNOWS and SEES the future and HE told the Old Testament prophets, kings and faithful believers about it so we can read and TRUST in God/Jesus wisdom and words/teachings.
So you are basically saying the bible is right because the bible says it's right? Okay then.
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Post by nathan on Nov 11, 2018 18:33:10 GMT -5
The Bible is RIGHT because it was foretold about Jesus death with MANY great details like how his enemies cast lot for his garment, his dying words, "My God My God why hast thou forshaken me?" betrayed with a kiss by his friend/Judas, the list are more than 100 prophecies.
You, and the rest of humans beings can't see the future but God KNOWS and SEES the future and HE told the Old Testament prophets, kings and faithful believers about it so we can read and TRUST in God/Jesus wisdom and words/teachings.
So you are basically saying the bible is right because the bible says it's right? Okay then. The Bible is RIGHT because God said it and his words are TRUE! Jesus death was foreordain by God to pay the ransom price to redeem the humans. The men/Jewish counsel and the Romans army didn't have much of a choice, they just fulfilled God's plan of Salvation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 18:45:23 GMT -5
The Bible is RIGHT because it was foretold about Jesus death with MANY great details like how his enemies cast lot for his garment, his dying words, "My God My God why hast thou forshaken me?" betrayed with a kiss by his friend/Judas, the list are more than 100 prophecies.
You, and the rest of humans beings can't see the future but God KNOWS and SEES the future and HE told the Old Testament prophets, kings and faithful believers about it so we can read and TRUST in God/Jesus wisdom and words/teachings.
So you are basically saying the bible is right because the bible says it's right? Okay then. hmmmm i don't THINK the bible uses those terms exactly....
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 11, 2018 19:09:03 GMT -5
A very,and the most crucial subject,the crucifixion,and interesting subject, the following debate and teaching are so interesting and the debate a must to understanding of our opposites. And perhaps the debate can help us to understand the the millions of God's family,our/your brothers and sisters in Christ, living with persecution,even death because they "profess their Christianity",and the redemptive power of the cross. Debate= . www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEPlcWcCsY4 . The trial and suffering= . www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50jCTtBgAM .Magpie.
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 13:09:02 GMT -5
So you are basically saying the bible is right because the bible says it's right? Okay then. The Bible is RIGHT because God said it and his words are TRUE! Jesus death was foreordain by God to pay the ransom price to redeem the humans. The men/Jewish counsel and the Romans army didn't have much of a choice, they just fulfilled God's plan of Salvation.
So if your God says he's right, then he's right? So when Buddha says he's right, then he's right? When Zeus says he's right, then he's right? When Thor says he's right, then he's right? They can't all be right, but if you decide that just because YOUR God said he right, so therefore he's right, you may be mistaken. How would anyone determine which God is right, just because they say they are right? If you really think about it, and are honest with yourself, you will see that just because a God says they are right, that isn't enough proof. There is no proof that the God of the bible is the right God anymore than any of the other Gods are 'right' Gods. People are the ones making that choice and decision but there is no way of knowing for sure if any of them are right or even exist in the first place.
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 13:11:27 GMT -5
So you are basically saying the bible is right because the bible says it's right? Okay then. hmmmm i don't THINK the bible uses those terms exactly.... So the bible doesn't say it's right? Okay. Then why do people think it's right over all the other examples of sacred books? Don't most people think their religion and God are right because they think their sacred book is the 'right' one?
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Post by nathan on Nov 12, 2018 14:04:18 GMT -5
So if your God says he's right, then he's right? So when Buddha says he's right, then he's right? When Zeus says he's right, then he's right? When Thor says he's right, then he's right? They can't all be right, but if you decide that just because YOUR God said he right, so therefore he's right, you may be mistaken. How would anyone determine which God is right, just because they say they are right? If you really think about it, and are honest with yourself, you will see that just because a God says they are right, that isn't enough proof. There is no proof that the God of the bible is the right God anymore than any of the other Gods are 'right' Gods. People are the ones making that choice and decision but there is no way of knowing for sure if any of them are right or even exist in the first place. ** When God/Christ said He is the ONLY way to the Father= Salvation or Eternal life, He is RIGHT! There is no Salvation offers by any angel or human on earth can grant us Eternal life. All humans souls unbelievers and believers were trapped in HADES/realm Of the dead since the days of Adam and Eve until Jesus paid the ransom on Calvary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 14:08:20 GMT -5
hmmmm i don't THINK the bible uses those terms exactly.... So the bible doesn't say it's right? Okay. Then why do people think it's right over all the other examples of sacred books? Don't most people think their religion and God are right because they think their sacred book is the 'right' one? the bible suggests its the word of God and God is right there are no verses i can think of where the bible says "the bible is right"(could be wrong)people may say or believe the bible is right(i am one of them) but still no verses that say that...
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 14:31:43 GMT -5
So the bible doesn't say it's right? Okay. Then why do people think it's right over all the other examples of sacred books? Don't most people think their religion and God are right because they think their sacred book is the 'right' one? the bible suggests its the word of God and God is right there are no verses i can think of where the bible says "the bible is right"(could be wrong)people may say or believe the bible is right(i am one of them) but still no verses that say that... You could be right. I can't think of any that say it specifically. But the God that is supposed to have dictated the bible says he's the only true God, so I guess that works in a round about way to say that the bible is right because the God of the bible says he's right and he's right because he says he's right.
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Post by nathan on Nov 12, 2018 14:55:04 GMT -5
the bible suggests its the word of God and God is right there are no verses i can think of where the bible says "the bible is right"(could be wrong)people may say or believe the bible is right(i am one of them) but still no verses that say that... You could be right. I can't think of any that say it specifically. But the God that is supposed to have dictated the bible says he's the only true God, so I guess that works in a round about way to say that the bible is right because the God of the bible says he's right and he's right because he says he's right. ** This way the followers of Jesus stops seeking, looking for another Savior. Buddah told His disciples " I am NOT God, I am still searching for him." Jesus said, " I AM Yahweh God, the Alpha and the Omega. No man comes to the Father except through me."
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 15:01:13 GMT -5
You could be right. I can't think of any that say it specifically. But the God that is supposed to have dictated the bible says he's the only true God, so I guess that works in a round about way to say that the bible is right because the God of the bible says he's right and he's right because he says he's right. ** This way the followers of Jesus stops seeking, looking for another Savior. Buddah told His disciples " I am NOT God, I am still searching for him." Jesus said, " I AM Yahweh God, the Alpha and the Omega. No man comes to the Father except through me." Well all the rest of them I listed said they were Gods so your God is just one of many Gods that say they are Gods and because they say they are Gods then they are Gods? Buddha at least was honest.
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Post by nathan on Nov 12, 2018 15:13:00 GMT -5
** This way the followers of Jesus stops seeking, looking for another Savior. Buddah told His disciples " I am NOT God, I am still searching for him." Jesus said, " I AM Yahweh God, the Alpha and the Omega. No man comes to the Father except through me." Well all the rest of them I listed said they were Gods so your God is just one of many Gods that say they are Gods and because they say they are Gods then they are Gods? Buddha at least was honest. ** Jesus was Honest too! And he was telling the truth... There is no God beside the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
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