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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2018 14:56:45 GMT -5
what is your source of information? rush limbaugh radio show... And, he's an example of the male gender and crazy! Like I said, there are crazies in both genders. Why would you listen to anyone like them that are clearly off the wall in comparison to the general public and what they think?
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2018 15:03:22 GMT -5
"Open minded?"
"Biased", "tone deaf", and "patronizing" are the words that come to mind.
65 women? Even Bill Cosby had ardent female supporters early on. I would be more impressed if Kavanaugh, like his accusers, were asking for further investigation by the FBI. I want the people who have asserted that they never heard of Kavanaugh behaving as accused - and especially his drinking buddy, Judge - to make their assertions under oath. Two such people retracted their rosy statements about Kavanaugh yesterday.
A former roommate of Kavanaugh is now saying that Kavanaugh turned aggressive when he drank, and Kavanaugh himself has stated openly that he drank heavily when he was young.
If you cannot abide the discussion here, find a different one to spend time on. There are many other threads to choose from. All Kavanough could say in his most recent interview is that he just wants a fair process. As he's saying that he's shaking his head in contradiction. He doesn't want fair process, he wants to be cleared. I can understand that. Especially if he's innocent. But it seems to me that if he really wants his name cleared he should be wanting an FBI investigation. But you don't hear him saying that. He just wants things to go his way. But if he's guilty, the people of the United States have a right to know that BEFORE he is given a post of power.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 15:20:45 GMT -5
rush limbaugh radio show... And, he's an example of the male gender and crazy! Like I said, there are crazies in both genders. Why would you listen to anyone like them that are clearly off the wall in comparison to the general public and what they think? i listen to him because hes right most of the time...hes rarely had to make a retraction about anything hes said on his radio show....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 15:24:18 GMT -5
he never revealed your name, your relatives names, your location, your medical history, your social gatherings or any ages....what are you getting on about? IMO, DJ violated the privacy rules of TMB in a way that made me feel quite uncomfortable. Imo, DJ's behavior in this instance borders on creepy. It is not the first time he has done this to me, and not the first time I have asked him to stop. I have requested input from the Admin. In the mean time, I don't need to justify anything to you. no you don't have to justify anything to me but you will be called out when you make something up like him revealing personal identifying information about you...
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -5
And, he's an example of the male gender and crazy! Like I said, there are crazies in both genders. Why would you listen to anyone like them that are clearly off the wall in comparison to the general public and what they think? i listen to him because hes right most of the time...hes rarely had to make a retraction about anything hes said on his radio show.... I've listened to him before. I doubt he ever would give a retraction even if he was wrong. That's because in his mind, he's always right. But he is pretty far out in his thoughts a majority of the time. He has opinions, and that is his right. But that doesn't mean he's right. Or even accurate in some cases.
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Post by matisse on Sept 25, 2018 15:35:54 GMT -5
IMO, DJ violated the privacy rules of TMB in a way that made me feel quite uncomfortable. Imo, DJ's behavior in this instance borders on creepy. It is not the first time he has done this to me, and not the first time I have asked him to stop. I have requested input from the Admin. In the mean time, I don't need to justify anything to you. (rofl) no you don't have to justify anything to me but you will be called out when you make something up like him revealing personal identifying information about you... I essentially do detective work and problem solving for a living. Based on your comments,I assume you would be surprised at how much one can figure out from little bits of information here and there, when one is paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 15:44:33 GMT -5
no you don't have to justify anything to me but you will be called out when you make something up like him revealing personal identifying information about you... I essentially do detective work and problem solving for a living. Based on your comments,I assume you would be surprised at how much one can figure out from little bits of information here and there, when one is paying attention. i can think of one thing that might give a clue as to what state you live in but i doubt many people would be able to figure anything out from that or even recognize that a clue had been given its so subtle...
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Post by matisse on Sept 25, 2018 18:05:19 GMT -5
I essentially do detective work and problem solving for a living. Based on your comments,I assume you would be surprised at how much one can figure out from little bits of information here and there, when one is paying attention. i can think of one thing that might give a clue as to what state you live in but i doubt many people would be able to figure anything out from that or even recognize that a clue had been given its so subtle... Now you are catching on.
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Post by rational on Sept 25, 2018 19:23:36 GMT -5
Did you read what I wrote? She has a vivid memory of parts of the evening, like climbing the narrow stairs leading to the second floor bathroom just before she was attacked. yet can't remember if it was 4 or 2 boys, where it was at or even what year it happened in? we may be dealing with a delusional fantasy or an outright lie.... Or the foggy memories of an intoxicated woman.
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Post by rational on Sept 25, 2018 19:41:13 GMT -5
My understanding is that this woman has made one (1) public statement, so far. Anything you have heard or read about her changing her story has been hearsay. touche... i'm gonna have to go with Rush on this one hes generally in the 99.99% accurate range on anything he reports.... I am surprised that PEW was not brought to court over this: Pew study finds Rush Limbaugh least trustworthy news sourcewww.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/oct/21/pew-study-finds-rush-limbaugh-least-trustworthy-ne/According to Politifact, an incredible 82% of Rush Limbaugh's claims fall into the categories of Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire. Atrocious lies are rated "Pants on Fire." If you add in claims that are Half True, the figure goes up to 93%. In other words, Politifact finds that about 7% of what Rush Limbaugh says is true. That's not very much. www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/How does he arrive at the self reported 99.99% accuracy? If I had to hazard a guess I would say he lies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 2:00:13 GMT -5
touche... i'm gonna have to go with Rush on this one hes generally in the 99.99% accurate range on anything he reports.... I am surprised that PEW was not brought to court over this: Pew study finds Rush Limbaugh least trustworthy news sourcewww.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/oct/21/pew-study-finds-rush-limbaugh-least-trustworthy-ne/According to Politifact, an incredible 82% of Rush Limbaugh's claims fall into the categories of Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire. Atrocious lies are rated "Pants on Fire." If you add in claims that are Half True, the figure goes up to 93%. In other words, Politifact finds that about 7% of what Rush Limbaugh says is true. That's not very much. www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/How does he arrive at the self reported 99.99% accuracy? If I had to hazard a guess I would say he lies. right, the Poynter institute partially funds politifact and is a school for journalists. which we know how objective they are nowadays...NOT...
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Post by rational on Sept 26, 2018 12:29:58 GMT -5
right, the Poynter institute partially funds politifact and is a school for journalists. which we know how objective they are nowadays...NOT... Forget your preconceived notions for once and look at the data. What can you present to support your point? So both Pew and Politifact are publishing false reports? Fake news unless it supports your POV?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 12:59:51 GMT -5
3rd accuser julie swetnick has come forward and states she went to 10 parties where gang rapes took place 81-83(its unclear if it actually happened to her though, just that she saw them in a line waiting for their "turn" with another girl) a couple problems already...
1. why didn't she report to the police if she saw another girl get raped... 2. if she knew it was going on why did she go back 10 times knowing full well what could happen...
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Post by matisse on Sept 26, 2018 13:25:09 GMT -5
3rd accuser julie swetnick has come forward and states she went to 10 parties where gang rapes took place 81-83(its unclear if it actually happened to her though, just that she saw them in a line waiting for their "turn" with another girl) a couple problems already... 1. why didn't she report to the police if she saw another girl get raped... 2. if she knew it was going on why did she go back 10 times knowing full well what could happen... 1. It was 1982. Get real. 2. Being stupid (if she was) isn't against the law. Raping people is, no matter what.
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Post by rational on Sept 26, 2018 13:57:20 GMT -5
3rd accuser julie swetnick has come forward and states she went to 10 parties where gang rapes took place 81-83(its unclear if it actually happened to her though, just that she saw them in a line waiting for their "turn" with another girl) a couple problems already... 1. why didn't she report to the police if she saw another girl get raped... 2. if she knew it was going on why did she go back 10 times knowing full well what could happen... I believe she testified that it did happen once. But if you know plan you can still hang out at the party and simple avoid the problems. She said she avioved the punch that was often spiked with drugs or alcohol. What is stunning is to hear people condoning that behavior - "Boys will be boys". "Every adolescent has done this." "It wasn't that bad." From a personal standpoint I don't know anyone who physically forced themselves on a female. Everyone hasn't done it. If the victim says it is bad - It is bad. Of course, so far it is just unsupported accusations. But then, so is the existence of a paranormal being.
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Post by snow on Sept 26, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -5
3rd accuser julie swetnick has come forward and states she went to 10 parties where gang rapes took place 81-83(its unclear if it actually happened to her though, just that she saw them in a line waiting for their "turn" with another girl) a couple problems already... 1. why didn't she report to the police if she saw another girl get raped... 2. if she knew it was going on why did she go back 10 times knowing full well what could happen... Oh Wally. Kids do stupid things. Peer pressure is a huge part of teenage life. The reasons are many why she went back to the parties and why she never said anything at the time. Surely you know that? Why is the first place people are going when they are coming forward, is to negate them and call them liars? Until it's been investigated and it's proven they were lying, why not give them the benefit of the doubt. I would certainly hope people would not judge and convict me before they knew the facts. I'm sure you would like that too. At the moment I am appalled at the reactions of the GOP. They are exactly the reason why so few women report anything. This is the 'go to' tactics of men who don't even know the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 16:17:10 GMT -5
3rd accuser julie swetnick has come forward and states she went to 10 parties where gang rapes took place 81-83(its unclear if it actually happened to her though, just that she saw them in a line waiting for their "turn" with another girl) a couple problems already... 1. why didn't she report to the police if she saw another girl get raped... 2. if she knew it was going on why did she go back 10 times knowing full well what could happen... Oh Wally. Kids do stupid things. Peer pressure is a huge part of teenage life. The reasons are many why she went back to the parties and why she never said anything at the time. Surely you know that? Why is the first place people are going when they are coming forward, is to negate them and call them liars? Until it's been investigated and it's proven they were lying, why not give them the benefit of the doubt. I would certainly hope people would not judge and convict me before they knew the facts. I'm sure you would like that too. At the moment I am appalled at the reactions of the GOP. They are exactly the reason why so few women report anything. This is the 'go to' tactics of men who don't even know the facts. we often decry the overseers for not reporting when they HEAR about a rape yet someone who actually SEES a rape happen gets a pass on reporting? i don't think so....would you honestly go back to parties 10 times knowing that was happening?
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Post by Lee on Sept 26, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -5
Ten times suggests consenuasuality.
2x2s we're right. Don't let your children go to worldly parties. Don't even let them go to 2x2 parties unless they're in a park.
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Post by snow on Sept 26, 2018 17:31:21 GMT -5
Oh Wally. Kids do stupid things. Peer pressure is a huge part of teenage life. The reasons are many why she went back to the parties and why she never said anything at the time. Surely you know that? Why is the first place people are going when they are coming forward, is to negate them and call them liars? Until it's been investigated and it's proven they were lying, why not give them the benefit of the doubt. I would certainly hope people would not judge and convict me before they knew the facts. I'm sure you would like that too. At the moment I am appalled at the reactions of the GOP. They are exactly the reason why so few women report anything. This is the 'go to' tactics of men who don't even know the facts. we often decry the overseers for not reporting when they HEAR about a rape yet someone who actually SEES a rape happen gets a pass on reporting? i don't think so....would you honestly go back to parties 10 times knowing that was happening? An overseer is an experienced adult, not an impressionable teenager. Also, from what I have experienced going to parties as a teenager, was that you didn't always know what you were getting into when you first went. Friends would make a suggestion that so and so was having a party and off you'd go. Sometimes they were where you wanted to be and sometimes they weren't. So yes, I can see how it could happen. I wouldn't have stayed long I'm sure if I could leave, but I'd probably have gone initially. You go where your crowd goes when you're a kid. Stupid? Of course. However, I'm not sure I wouldn't have reported it if I'd seen someone gang raped. I'm pretty sure I would have, but I do know people who wouldn't have. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Doesn't mean she's a great person. It doesn't make what she's saying untrue. It just means she was stupid and turned a blind eye.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 17:37:17 GMT -5
we often decry the overseers for not reporting when they HEAR about a rape yet someone who actually SEES a rape happen gets a pass on reporting? i don't think so....would you honestly go back to parties 10 times knowing that was happening? An overseer is an experienced adult, not an impressionable teenager. Also, from what I have experienced going to parties as a teenager, was that you didn't always know what you were getting into when you first went. Friends would make a suggestion that so and so was having a party and off you'd go. Sometimes they were where you wanted to be and sometimes they weren't. So yes, I can see how it could happen. I wouldn't have stayed long I'm sure if I could leave, but I'd probably have gone initially. You go where your crowd goes when you're a kid. Stupid? Of course. However, I'm not sure I wouldn't have reported it if I'd seen someone gang raped. I'm pretty sure I would have, but I do know people who wouldn't have. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Doesn't mean she's a great person. It doesn't make what she's saying untrue. It just means she was stupid and turned a blind eye. its to my understanding that she was in college(3rd accuser)going to high school parties that makes her the adult in the room(over 18)....
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Post by snow on Sept 26, 2018 17:49:56 GMT -5
An overseer is an experienced adult, not an impressionable teenager. Also, from what I have experienced going to parties as a teenager, was that you didn't always know what you were getting into when you first went. Friends would make a suggestion that so and so was having a party and off you'd go. Sometimes they were where you wanted to be and sometimes they weren't. So yes, I can see how it could happen. I wouldn't have stayed long I'm sure if I could leave, but I'd probably have gone initially. You go where your crowd goes when you're a kid. Stupid? Of course. However, I'm not sure I wouldn't have reported it if I'd seen someone gang raped. I'm pretty sure I would have, but I do know people who wouldn't have. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Doesn't mean she's a great person. It doesn't make what she's saying untrue. It just means she was stupid and turned a blind eye. its to my understanding that she was in college(3rd accuser)going to high school parties that makes her the adult in the room(over 18).... Some are some aren't. We also hear of kids finally getting freedom from parents by going to college and go crazy in their first year or two. Maybe she was one of them. Maybe she is an all around irresponsible person that just didn't care. But my point is this. It doesn't make what she said untrue. Just irresponsible and stupid.
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Post by rational on Sept 26, 2018 19:53:59 GMT -5
Ten times suggests consenuasuality. 2x2s we're right. Don't let your children go to worldly parties. Don't even let them go to 2x2 parties unless they're in a park. You believe that if a person goes to a party they are consenting to sexual assault?
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Post by rational on Sept 26, 2018 20:19:37 GMT -5
An overseer is an experienced adult, not an impressionable teenager. Also, from what I have experienced going to parties as a teenager, was that you didn't always know what you were getting into when you first went. Friends would make a suggestion that so and so was having a party and off you'd go. Sometimes they were where you wanted to be and sometimes they weren't. So yes, I can see how it could happen. I wouldn't have stayed long I'm sure if I could leave, but I'd probably have gone initially. You go where your crowd goes when you're a kid. Stupid? Of course. However, I'm not sure I wouldn't have reported it if I'd seen someone gang raped. I'm pretty sure I would have, but I do know people who wouldn't have. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Doesn't mean she's a great person. It doesn't make what she's saying untrue. It just means she was stupid and turned a blind eye. its to my understanding that she was in college(3rd accuser)going to high school parties that makes her the adult in the room(over 18).... Do you have access to more than the 3 page declaration that was released? I see nothing in that testimony that would support your understanding but I could have missed it. The pages and lines are numbered so it would be easy for you to point to the part(s) from which you drew your understanding. TIA
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 20:37:32 GMT -5
its to my understanding that she was in college(3rd accuser)going to high school parties that makes her the adult in the room(over 18).... Do you have access to more than the 3 page deceleration that was released? I see nothing in that testimony that would support your understanding but I could have missed it. The pages and lines are numbered so it would be easy for you to point to the part(s) from which you drew your understanding. TIA foxnews
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 26, 2018 21:35:28 GMT -5
right, the Poynter institute partially funds politifact and is a school for journalists. which we know how objective they are nowadays...NOT... Always have an out don't you, wally?
But you really don't need to depend on Politifact or any one other source alone.
You can research a lot of different places to find the truth for yourself.
That is one of the most important factors of having freedom of speech.
The Poynter Institute for Media Studies is a non-profit school.
So by not making any money out of the institute it allows them the freedom to publish facts.
You might consider that a factor in your decision making.
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Post by rational on Sept 26, 2018 21:52:06 GMT -5
Do you have access to more than the 3 page declaration that was released? I see nothing in that testimony that would support your understanding but I could have missed it. The pages and lines are numbered so it would be easy for you to point to the part(s) from which you drew your understanding. TIA foxnews As opposed to the actual document. That is like a FOAF source!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:59:45 GMT -5
Ten times suggests consenuasuality. 2x2s we're right. Don't let your children go to worldly parties. Don't even let them go to 2x2 parties unless they're in a park. You believe that if a person goes to a party they are consenting to sexual assault? Well, it's clearly wrong all ten times. It does however seem peculiar that nothing clicked after about the 2nd or 6th or so. Or 1st. If we (rightly) blame the man for drunken evil, we must also question the judgement of the women. Would that not be equality?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 0:12:29 GMT -5
right, the Poynter institute partially funds politifact and is a school for journalists. which we know how objective they are nowadays...NOT... Always have an out don't you, wally?
But you really don't need to depend on Politifact or any one other source alone.
You can research a lot of different places to find the truth for yourself.
That is one of the most important factors of having freedom of speech.
The Poynter Institute for Media Studies is a non-profit school.
So by not making any money out of the institute it allows them the freedom to publish facts.
You might consider that a factor in your decision making.
. right i do a little research into whos doing what and its an out...you do the same and its the gospel...i get it...right
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