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Post by thelight on Jun 21, 2018 22:35:07 GMT -5
Isn’t that a normal part of maturing, growing? When we realize there is a big world out there, and lots of people with lots of ideas. Not to the point of how you have been raised causing anxiety, depression etc because the "world" that you know from a very young age is not how the "real" world actually operates.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 22:48:16 GMT -5
Isn’t that a normal part of maturing, growing? When we realize there is a big world out there, and lots of people with lots of ideas. Not to the point of how you have been raised causing anxiety, depression etc because the "world" that you know from a very young age is not how the "real" world actually operates. [br Hmmm, let us know how the real world operates, you could write a best selling book!! Thanks ✍🏻
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Post by thelight on Jun 21, 2018 23:24:54 GMT -5
As I have gotten older the other thing that I have realised is how disempowered the children of the truth are. Not being allowed to play sport for instance. Children are not allowed to explore the world, play & have fun - unless it adheres to the strict limits enforced by professing parents. It is confusing as a child to be told not to play with the other children in your street because they are outsiders. Hurtful only being able to watch their fun & games from afar.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2018 0:02:44 GMT -5
Not to the point of how you have been raised causing anxiety, depression etc because the "world" that you know from a very young age is not how the "real" world actually operates. [br Hmmm, let us know how the real world operates, you could write a best selling book!! Thanks ✍🏻 Notsure,
Why don't you either just bug off & stop posting or get ONE name & stay with it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 22, 2018 0:31:40 GMT -5
Ok, someone doesn’t have a satellite tv? Owning a satellite tv isn't a human right. Saving money isn't an indication of advantage. Like watching satellite tv. In Communist societies someone else decides what one will need and have. The only advantage you seem to have recognized is the freedom to have some money for discretionary spending. Which suggests that not having that freedom (to spend some discretionary income) is a disadvantage. In this country the common belief is that this disadvantage doesn't need to be compensated for.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 22, 2018 0:34:25 GMT -5
Interesting post. Perhaps people that are sensitive to other peoples ideas and values, feel out of place when their ideas and values are differing?? Just because you are unique should not make you feel out of place. I have been to a few “celebrations” , where sober guests were feeling “ out of place” , when in fact they Were , IMO, very very pleasant to visit Sometimes the majority isn’t in the best informed? And yet we find people that are swayed by public opinion, and social peer pressure, it’s not always easy Notsure, - why don't you be honest and post under ONE name instead of hopping all over the place in & out of different threads using different persona's?
It makes it sound more like he has a more popular idea of something.
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 22, 2018 3:21:00 GMT -5
Notsure, - why don't you be honest and post under ONE name instead of hopping all over the place in & out of different threads using different persona's?
It makes it sound more like he has a more popular idea of something. No
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2018 3:40:18 GMT -5
Notsure, - why don't you be honest and post under ONE name instead of hopping all over the place in & out of different threads using different persona's?
It makes it sound more like he has a more popular idea of something. Except he betrays his lack of anything special when he "explains" it, -because it turns out to be nothing after all.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 22, 2018 3:41:13 GMT -5
Ok, someone doesn’t have a satellite tv? Owning a satellite tv isn't a human right. Saving money isn't an indication of advantage. Like watching satellite tv. In Communist societies someone else decides what one will need and have. The only advantage you seem to have recognized is the freedom to have some money for discretionary spending. Which suggests that not having that freedom (to spend some discretionary income) is a disadvantage. In this country the common belief is that this disadvantage doesn't need to be compensated for. Everything could be used as an advantage A good defense helps the offense sometimes in Sport, also. IMO
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Post by No on Jun 22, 2018 3:44:02 GMT -5
It makes it sound more like he has a more popular idea of something. Except he betrays his lack of anything special when he "explains" it, -because it turns out to be nothing after all.Right!
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 22, 2018 3:55:08 GMT -5
Ooops, I’m on the wrong sub-board !! Sorry
So did Jesus have a few disadvantages , also?
Just bringing in reality. Not trying to ruffle dm’s feathers Again!
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Post by Sure and notsosure on Jun 22, 2018 4:19:14 GMT -5
As I have gotten older the other thing that I have realised is how disempowered the children of the truth are. Not being allowed to play sport for instance. Children are not allowed to explore the world, play & have fun - unless it adheres to the strict limits enforced by professing parents. It is confusing as a child to be told not to play with the other children in your street because they are outsiders. Hurtful only being able to watch their fun & games from afar. from what a understand, sport , in itself was not condemned, But , imo , was certainly “trivialized “ (And for a variety of “reasons” , These reasons could be analyzed of specific merit, and same with other trivial pursuits. If one excels in trivialities, where and when do we find time to understand what “life is really all about”?? Priorities become significant to a balanced view, imo And as a family, we and our “friends/neighbors” (As far as we knew) were never discouraged from a fun and relaxing game, nor was such a thing condemned Perhaps if the games were getting too distracting, a comment was made, but never a written rule? Just guidelines, imo
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Post by Short handed on Jun 22, 2018 4:36:11 GMT -5
In hockey, like some issues in life, just because we are “short handed” (ie: disadvantaged) does not mean you can’t score a goal.
Nor does a power play, guarantee that you will “Score a goal” , It is all played out in the game, just as we all experience times of support and times of Adversity. IMO
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2018 5:20:12 GMT -5
After reading this article earlier this morning & feeling absolutely appalled at that situation all over again.. one particular piece of information has struck a chord with me. "The siblings, who range in age from 2 to 29, knew little about the outside world". www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/judge-hears-teens-911-call-in-abused-siblings-case-my-two-little-sisters-right-now-are-chained-up/ar-AAyVsvL?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignoutI am interested to hear others thoughts (possibly more aimed at ex's) regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth. I can recall feeling embarrassed & like an outcast during high school when a class discussion was raised about pop culture relating to current television shows - everyone was expected to write up a quick review to share with the class. Pretty difficult to do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this? I agree 100% thelight growing up in the "truth" was no fun, especially for girls. Not having a TV or knowing what the latest shows were, not being allowed to have our hair trimmed let alone cut ! Not allowed to wear shorts or jeans or play sports ...... yes we were raised in a sheltered environment and were not aware or prepared for the "real world".
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Post by Disadvantaged on Jun 22, 2018 10:22:30 GMT -5
When people feel disadvantaged, the common advise we give , is , “if you get 🍋, make it into some lemonade”
It works for me.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 22, 2018 13:57:27 GMT -5
Owning a satellite tv isn't a human right. Saving money isn't an indication of advantage. Like watching satellite tv. In Communist societies someone else decides what one will need and have. The only advantage you seem to have recognized is the freedom to have some money for discretionary spending. Which suggests that not having that freedom (to spend some discretionary income) is a disadvantage. In this country the common belief is that this disadvantage doesn't need to be compensated for. Everything could be used as an advantage A good defense helps the offense sometimes in Sport, also. IMO Yes. And being stronger than one's wife turns out to be an advantage too> Everything in context.
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Post by friend on Jun 22, 2018 19:57:04 GMT -5
Everything could be used as an advantage A good defense helps the offense sometimes in Sport, also. IMO Yes. And being stronger than one's wife turns out to be an advantage too> Everything in context. Perhaps being kinder is an advantage also. 😊 Works for me
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2018 0:11:34 GMT -5
We must of missed those unwritten memos ? We were taught the same as the Hebrews and tried to follow the 10 commandments, aw, but we tried! 😉 Yes you must have missed the unwritten "rules" Not sure ! There are plenty of people who were raised in the "truth" that agree with what thelight has posted !
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Post by janj on Jun 23, 2018 0:18:19 GMT -5
As I have gotten older the other thing that I have realised is how disempowered the children of the truth are. Not being allowed to play sport for instance. Children are not allowed to explore the world, play & have fun - unless it adheres to the strict limits enforced by professing parents. It is confusing as a child to be told not to play with the other children in your street because they are outsiders. Hurtful only being able to watch their fun & games from afar. Maybe you should have written ' how disempowered I was because of the way my parents raised me'I was raised in the 2x2 church too but I have always felt that had an amazing upbringing. Sure we didn't have a TV but that if anything was an advantage. We read books, played games and had great lengthy debates and discussions around the table. Our 'worldly' friends loved to come to our house because we did things as a family. We were allowed to play sport (as long as it didn't clash with meetings)stay over with friends, and we had great holidays and outtings with other church families. We had 2 parents that were together that loved each other and in turn loved us (not something sll our school friends had).Our school teacher once made the comment that the children from our church were great at mixing with all ages and very well adjusted. We were not unique as other 2x2 families in our area raised their children in a similar way. Some of our family are still part of the 2x2 and some aren't but we have had many discussions on our childhood and we all agree it was the best way to be brought up -we wouldn't have changed a thing. Disadvantaged...NO!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2018 0:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2018 0:24:10 GMT -5
As I have gotten older the other thing that I have realised is how disempowered the children of the truth are. Not being allowed to play sport for instance. Children are not allowed to explore the world, play & have fun - unless it adheres to the strict limits enforced by professing parents. It is confusing as a child to be told not to play with the other children in your street because they are outsiders. Hurtful only being able to watch their fun & games from afar. Maybe you should have written ' how disempowered I was because of the way my parents raised me'I was raised in the 2x2 church too but I have always felt that had an amazing upbringing. Sure we didn't have a TV but that if anything was an advantage. We read books, played games and had great lengthy debates and discussions around the table. Our 'worldly' friends loved to come to our house because we did things as a family. We were allowed to play sport (as long as it didn't clash with meetings)stay over with friends, and we had great holidays and outtings with other church families. We had 2 parents that were together that loved each other and in turn loved us (not something sll our school friends had).Our school teacher once made the comment that the children from our church were great at mixing with all ages and very well adjusted. We were not unique as other 2x2 families in our area raised their children in a similar way. Some of our family are still part of the 2x2 and some aren't but we have had many discussions on our childhood and we all agree it was the best way to be brought up -we wouldn't have changed a thing. Disadvantaged...NO! Well janj, I am glad you had a wonderful upbringing, but some of us were not so lucky ! We we taught that other churches were wrong and worldly ...... my mother was raised as a SDA and we were NEVER allowed to attend the SDA church, I was not even allowed to be a flowergirl at my Aunties wedding because she got married in the SDA church !
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Post by howitis on Jun 23, 2018 0:33:54 GMT -5
The writer says they wouldn't recommend it, but states how they feel it helped them....disadvantaged I'd say they wouldn't think so.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2018 0:56:10 GMT -5
www.thelyingtruth.info/?f=archive&id=index&article=forbiddenforum.culteducation.com/read.php?6,112181,112181 Born and raised in a cult..recovery? Posted by: madison2021 () Date: July 04, 2012 10:12AM Hey everyone I'm new here so...hello. I have been searching for years on how to recover from being born and raised in a cult. I'll give you a quick summary.. I was born into a very closed secretive cult. It doesn't have a name but on the net they have been called 2x2's. It is almost all families who have been born into this religion. I would liken it to a strict Amish. We had hydro for nesessities but no tv, radio music(except for hymns) no make up, girls wore dresses. Anyways very similar in the segration and losing family if you leave etc. I was sexually abused by my uncle..a church member for most of my childhood. My parents looking the other way. At 13 head worker found out and asked my uncle to destroy evidence and just don't dO it again. No police were called or anyone in the church made aware. He continues to go to church and is a loved member. At 17 I left home scared and confused. Finally at 22 I decided to charge him hoping his three children would be helped. He plead quolty eventually. I was exiled and lost my family. I am considered the problem. I have children and a now a great boyfriend. He grew up entirely different. I have seen counsellors but they never seem to get it. They try to deal with the sexual abuse but now I realize the cult played a major part in the whole thing. Counsellors don't understand this part. What I am wondering is how can I heal myself so I can be a better mother and wife. I'm not even sure how it has all affected me so I don't know where to start. From those of you who are healthy where do I start? How do they affect me today. If I can understand this I hope I can heal. It's time to feel something... Thank you in advance
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Post by howitis on Jun 23, 2018 0:57:10 GMT -5
Maybe you should have written ' how disempowered I was because of the way my parents raised me'I was raised in the 2x2 church too but I have always felt that had an amazing upbringing. Sure we didn't have a TV but that if anything was an advantage. We read books, played games and had great lengthy debates and discussions around the table. Our 'worldly' friends loved to come to our house because we did things as a family. We were allowed to play sport (as long as it didn't clash with meetings)stay over with friends, and we had great holidays and outtings with other church families. We had 2 parents that were together that loved each other and in turn loved us (not something sll our school friends had).Our school teacher once made the comment that the children from our church were great at mixing with all ages and very well adjusted. We were not unique as other 2x2 families in our area raised their children in a similar way. Some of our family are still part of the 2x2 and some aren't but we have had many discussions on our childhood and we all agree it was the best way to be brought up -we wouldn't have changed a thing. Disadvantaged...NO! Well janj , I am glad you had a wonderful upbringing, but some of us were not so lucky ! We we taught that other churches were wrong and worldly ...... my mother was raised as a SDA and we were NEVER allowed to attend the SDA church, I was not even allowed to be a flowergirl at my Aunties wedding because she got married in the SDA church ! Yes it's a bit sad how you were raised, but I still think it had more to do with your parents than the truth....both the link you posted and janj have said much the same thing. We often went to the SDA church for things they had there some of them were quite good at cooking, craft and bible history , I get on quite well with many from that church
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2018 1:02:42 GMT -5
Well janj , I am glad you had a wonderful upbringing, but some of us were not so lucky ! We we taught that other churches were wrong and worldly ...... my mother was raised as a SDA and we were NEVER allowed to attend the SDA church, I was not even allowed to be a flowergirl at my Aunties wedding because she got married in the SDA church ! Yes it's a bit sad how you were raised, but I still think it had more to do with your parents than the truth....both the link you posted and janj have said much the same thing. We often went to the SDA church for things they had there some of them were quite good at cooking, craft and bible history , I get on quite well with many from that church The thing is howitis that there were a lot more people in the 2x2 church who were raised the same way as I was compared to how you were raised ! Our parents had pressure put on them from their parents and grandparents, even now we can still see the results in families of division that was caused from workers interfering in things that were none of their business.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2018 1:19:44 GMT -5
As I have gotten older the other thing that I have realised is how disempowered the children of the truth are. Not being allowed to play sport for instance. Children are not allowed to explore the world, play & have fun - unless it adheres to the strict limits enforced by professing parents. It is confusing as a child to be told not to play with the other children in your street because they are outsiders. Hurtful only being able to watch their fun & games from afar. Maybe you should have written ' how disempowered I was because of the way my parents raised me'I was raised in the 2x2 church too but I have always felt that had an amazing upbringing. Sure we didn't have a TV but that if anything was an advantage. We read books, played games and had great lengthy debates and discussions around the table. Our 'worldly' friends loved to come to our house because we did things as a family. We were allowed to play sport (as long as it didn't clash with meetings)stay over with friends, and we had great holidays and outtings with other church families. We had 2 parents that were together that loved each other and in turn loved us (not something sll our school friends had). Our school teacher once made the comment that the children from our church were great at mixing with all ages and very well adjusted. We were not unique as other 2x2 families in our area raised their children in a similar way. Some of our family are still part of the 2x2 and some aren't but we have had many discussions on our childhood and we all agree it was the best way to be brought up -we wouldn't have changed a thing. Disadvantaged...NO! Janj, -where and when did this wonderful upbringing of yours take place?
Being "disempowered" was NOT because of the way our parents raised us, -it was because of the restrictions put on both them and us by being in the religion we were in!
If you are still "professing" and trying to make excuses and make to it sound like a lark; -forget it! We know our own experiences and you can't change that.
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Post by maggsmagpie on Jun 23, 2018 1:29:00 GMT -5
I was involved with 2/2isam for the first 30 years of my life and now in my eighties I still have no interest in sport, dancing, music and live a quiet life,enjoy good Tv and spend time on my computer. Also enjoy a wine or a beer at home or at a restaurant. Today I do not consider myself to be a christian because all Christians believe they follow the life and teachings of Jesus and yet they forget the simplicity of his life. Where did black stockings come from that women had to wear when i was a child and also dress plainly, no make up, no jewellery and not cutting their hair. Then their were all the other things like not reading books, no radio and later no TV, no sport, no Music, no dancing and all the other rules. My understanding of Jesus is that his message was one to one and sometimes he spoke to the crowd. I do not believe he started any formal meetings or church gatherings. He lived and worked as part of his community and did not stand out because they had yo pay Judus to identify him to arrest him. Main stream churches have invented so much with their great Cathedrals, Churches, richals and regalia some of which is Pagan. Maggsmagpie
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2018 1:59:36 GMT -5
I was involved with 2/2isam for the first 30 years of my life and now in my eighties I still have no interest in sport, dancing, music and live a quiet life,enjoy good Tv and spend time on my computer. Also enjoy a wine or a beer at home or at a restaurant. Today I do not consider myself to be a christian because all Christians believe they follow the life and teachings of Jesus and yet they forget the simplicity of his life. Where did black stockings come from that women had to wear when i was a child and also dress plainly, no make up, no jewellery and not cutting their hair. Then their were all the other things like not reading books, no radio and later no TV, no sport, no Music, no dancing and all the other rules. My understanding of Jesus is that his message was one to one and sometimes he spoke to the crowd. I do not believe he started any formal meetings or church gatherings. He lived and worked as part of his community and did not stand out because they had yo pay Judus to identify him to arrest him. Main stream churches have invented so much with their great Cathedrals, Churches, richals and regalia some of which is Pagan. Maggsmagpie Thank you, Maggsmagpie.
I also am in my eighties .(86)
It is always nice to hear from someone near my own age.
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