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Post by kenco69 on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:46 GMT -5
Read on main site that Graham Snow is heading to Western Australia to take charge /sort problems over there Anyone know who is taking his place as European Head Worker. This will be very interesting as depends what sorting they want to do and where. If anybody knows please reply.
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Post by amica1969 on Mar 17, 2018 21:16:40 GMT -5
Hi there yes, i heard that Graham Snow is heading to W.A taking responsibility later in the year. Also to be head of Australia. I'm not sure who is taking the responsibility in Europe. I know Graham has been in many countries over the years sorting things out in Europe. I was in Italy back im the 90's and Graham was responsible then but moved on to help out where needed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 17, 2018 22:28:52 GMT -5
Geeze, what kind of problems arise that needs a worker to have to go around "sorting out things?"
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 17, 2018 22:35:00 GMT -5
Geeze, what kind of problems arise that needs a worker to have to go around "sorting out things?"
The stuff of juicy novels.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 2:49:01 GMT -5
it's not strange to have, in any large organisation, specialists who can be called on to help departments run better. Doesn't sound too different from what Graham does.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 18, 2018 3:49:38 GMT -5
it's not strange to have, in any large organisation, specialists who can be called on to help departments run better. Doesn't sound too different from what Graham does. True but I never thought we were suppose to consider ourselves an "organization."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 4:08:49 GMT -5
Yes he is coming to do a Snow job on Australia. They have always been good at snow jobs, so you wouldn't think they would need a specialist.
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Post by Guest on Mar 18, 2018 5:57:03 GMT -5
The European head workers felt that there is no-one to take his place so they have asked that he just goes there on a temporary basis and comes back early 2020. He has lots of experience, and is very diplomatic, so hopefully that will be long enough to achieve what he needs to. He’s not replacing anyone, just helping out
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Post by amica1969 on Mar 19, 2018 5:39:39 GMT -5
Nothing like helping where needed. I'm sure Graham will be appreciated and helpful in Australia just like he has been in Europe over the years. Nothing like a change 😊
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2018 1:39:04 GMT -5
Yes he is coming to do a Snow job on Australia. They have always been good at snow jobs, so you wouldn't think they would need a specialist. The Snowy Mountain project finished years ago. It brought benefits and also problems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 2:08:59 GMT -5
Curly. we now have Snowy 2.0.
Quote. 'Snowy 2.0' will go ahead but costs blow out by billions. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's much-hyped 'Snowy 2.0' expansion has been given the green light, however the scheme could cost 125 per cent more than first thought and won't be switched on for at least six years. The government will now officially proceed with the ambitious plan – nine months after the iconic Snowy Mountains scheme emerged as a solution to the country's fragmented and increasingly unreliable energy network. End Quote.
Maybe Graham Snow will do a 2.0 on Australian 2x2's to give them a bit more energy. Nothing like an upgrade every now and then. Lets hope costs don't blow out.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 28, 2018 5:35:36 GMT -5
It has always been confusing to me Ross how someone who is so very critical of the friends and workers has so much information about current matters within the friends and workers
Also your industry is under huge scrutiny for bad practices. Are you critical of the lawyers, very highly paid lawyers, defending financial institutions?
To say that it is wrong to have the best defence possible is a bridge too far in your arguments against EB. You may be guilty but you are entitled to good representation
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Post by DrPetros on Mar 28, 2018 7:10:20 GMT -5
Are you critical of the lawyers, very highly paid lawyers, defending financial institutions? Yes, I am critical of people who fund defences of corrupt or illegal practices. The right to a competent defence is an absolute necessity in an adversarial system, irrespective of guilt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 7:11:53 GMT -5
The European head workers felt that there is no-one to take his place so they have asked that he just goes there on a temporary basis and comes back early 2020. He has lots of experience, and is very diplomatic, so hopefully that will be long enough to achieve what he needs to. He’s not replacing anyone, just helping out He is being installed as Head Worker in Western Australia and there is at least one letter which indicates that he will take responsibility over all of Australia. I suspect that won't be welcomed in all parts of Australia (it's a large country) and to be fair it's not a letter authored by Graham Snow. I wonder whether Graham Snow will tackle the following list: - Cover-ups concerning Child Sexual Abuse - Victims who come forward re CSA being called dishonest and liars - Offenders who have pleaded guilty being referred to as upstanding in the community - Re-baptism of previously gaoled worker (for substantial CSA) despite him never showing repentance to all victims - People who marry outside (and even inside where one partner attends meeting but has not yet professed) being stood down so that they might be "publicly shamed" - The hiring of a leading criminal psychologist to defend a worker on trial for CSA - the same criminal psychologist that defended one of Australia's leading drug cartel criminals - False doctrine being preached concerning who Jesus is - False doctrine being preached concerning how a person is saved Whilst I've heard that Graham has strong diplomacy skills and experience and is a "good bloke", I doubt that he will thoroughly address these significant issues. Re your list, I am hopeful Graham will improve things significantly regarding CSA and communication. I understood that it was friends who hired defense for that worker? If so, I don't think that aspect will interest Graham much at all.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 28, 2018 14:53:09 GMT -5
Ross, It must be hard to be humble when you are perfect in so many ways...,,”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:32:21 GMT -5
It has always been confusing to me Ross how someone who is so very critical of the friends and workers has so much information about current matters within the friends and workers Also your industry is under huge scrutiny for bad practices. Are you critical of the lawyers, very highly paid lawyers, defending financial institutions? To say that it is wrong to have the best defence possible is a bridge too far in your arguments against EB. You may be guilty but you are entitled to good representation No need to be confused. We, along with others, try and help as many people as possible who have questions about 2x2 practices and doctrine or who have been abused (spiritually, emotionally or physically) within the 2x2 system. As a result we maintain contact with a lot of current and ex members. A significant amount of information is passed around. Yes, I am critical of people who fund defences of corrupt or illegal practices. I presume you mean that you are critical of people who fund the defence of people accused of illegal practices. This raises the question of whether you think everyone accused of an illegal practice is guilty of the crime they are accused of. Presumably you don’t. If you don’t, then how do you determine who is innocent or guilty prior to the trial taking place and consequently how do you determine whose defence is it legitimate to fund prior to the trial commencing and whose defence funding is it reasonable to be critical of? Or are you critical of people who fund the defence of anyone accused of a crime irrespective of whether they are innocent or guilty? Or do you wait until the trial is over before being critical ....... and then critise only those who have funded a defence that has failed i.e. when the accused is found guilty? Or are you also critical of people who have funded a successful defence i.e. the defence of those who are subsequently found to be not guilty? Matt10
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 28, 2018 22:23:06 GMT -5
Whilst I've heard that Graham has strong diplomacy skills and experience and is a "good bloke", I doubt that he will thoroughly address these significant issues. Many people get confused about what "take charge", "sort problems", or "helping out" really means within the 2x2s. It does not mean actually resolving issues or implementing reform. It involves silencing dissent and getting people to retract their complaints. Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: Having just seen their child suffer the agony of being a CSA victim (for example), parents are presented with a binary choice: Either seek justice and see your children depart from the one true church and be further tortured eternally in hell by the all-loving god Or "keep your place", keep your mouth shut, and maybe your children might have a chance to "finish true". The message may be delivered by a very charismatic leader, but I would encourage people to try and separate the actual message from the personality. Think about how Snow's message would plot on this Influence Continuum.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 29, 2018 1:58:55 GMT -5
Ross, It must be hard to be humble when you are perfect in so many ways...,,” I completely ignore people who can't address an issue but resort to personal attacks - especially when hiding behind pseudonyms. It's a very well practised behaviour in the 2x2 church of which you are an adherent. Wrong Ross. I have not been to a meeting for over 30 years. I struggle to understand much that I read here and why people,who no longer attend meetings, give so much advice and criticism to the friends. I believe that basically most friends are good people who have deep faith and do try to be responsible people in the life. Your attack on me is not appreciated
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2018 2:13:35 GMT -5
Whilst I've heard that Graham has strong diplomacy skills and experience and is a "good bloke", I doubt that he will thoroughly address these significant issues. Many people get confused about what "take charge", "sort problems", or "helping out" really means within the 2x2s. It does not mean actually resolving issues or implementing reform. It involves silencing dissent and getting people to retract their complaints. Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: Having just seen their child suffer the agony of being a CSA victim (for example), parents are presented with a binary choice: Either seek justice and see your children depart from the one true church and be further tortured eternally in hell by the all-loving god Or "keep your place", keep your mouth shut, and maybe your children might have a chance to "finish true". The message may be delivered by a very charismatic leader, but I would encourage people to try and separate the actual message from the personality. Think about how Snow's message would plot on this Influence Continuum. That would be one of the most disgusting sermons I have ever heard. And I have heard a few disgusting ones.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 6:11:37 GMT -5
Re your list, I am hopeful Graham will improve things significantly regarding CSA and communication. I understood that it was friends who hired defense for that worker? If so, I don't think that aspect will interest Graham much at all. Yes, it was friends. But friends don't generally do those kind of things without Head Worker sanction. If true, that may be another thing that Graham seeks to change. Can't imagine him interfering on things like that unless obliged to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 6:32:25 GMT -5
Whilst I've heard that Graham has strong diplomacy skills and experience and is a "good bloke", I doubt that he will thoroughly address these significant issues. Many people get confused about what "take charge", "sort problems", or "helping out" really means within the 2x2s. It does not mean actually resolving issues or implementing reform. It involves silencing dissent and getting people to retract their complaints. Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: Having just seen their child suffer the agony of being a CSA victim (for example), parents are presented with a binary choice: Either seek justice and see your children depart from the one true church and be further tortured eternally in hell by the all-loving god Or "keep your place", keep your mouth shut, and maybe your children might have a chance to "finish true". The message may be delivered by a very charismatic leader, but I would encourage people to try and separate the actual message from the personality. Think about how Snow's message would plot on this Influence Continuum. There is nothing to indicate that what Graham was talking about anything criminal here (like CSA) - in fact just the opposite. The complaint was about things being said that were unjust. If it was criminal matters, then these people would be very unlikely to have ever gone back and reprofessed. What Graham is almost certainly referring to here are things like frictions that arise between human beings, things said that should never be said. If we have a sense of wanting justice and don't get 'justice' at those times (which we have probably all experienced in life) then we have a choice- it souring us off (i.e. becoming offended) or, after being rather bruised, allowing it to pass. Graham is absolutely right to point out that becoming offended is not the best path to take. This is obviously not applicable as regards criminal matters. If head workers are aware of criminal matters and don't act appropriately then they are in the wrong job. Increasingly nowadays, it will also lead them into trouble with the law themselves. And yes, people will understandably leave the meetings because of it - they can't with a free conscience be part of a group that hides criminal acts.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2018 13:09:43 GMT -5
There is evidence in NZ that many years ago Willie Phyn, the head worker and Walter Franks conspired to remove out of the country, a step ahead of the police who were looking for him, a young male worker who was meeting rent boys at a public toilet in Auckland. Snow would not have been in the work at the time but this is common enough knowledge that he will have known about it. If the sick are looking after the sick there is not much chance of improvement.
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Post by janj on Mar 29, 2018 14:12:13 GMT -5
There is evidence in NZ that many years ago Willie Phyn, the head worker and Walter Franks conspired to remove out of the country, a step ahead of the police who were looking for him, a young male worker who was meeting rent boys at a public toilet in Auckland. Snow would not have been in the work at the time but this is common enough knowledge that he will have known about it. If the sick are looking after the sick there is not much chance of improvement. How many years ago was this curly- maybe 50? To go back that far and judge a situation you only heard about involving people no longer alive to answer for themselves is desperate and stooping pretty low. We have had a thread on here re the Kansas situation and there have been several contradicting reports and that is a current event. I don't know about the men in your story but has it ever occurred to you that some of the tales you are repeating might not be right. Somehow I don't think that would worry you too much.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2018 14:55:52 GMT -5
There is evidence in NZ that many years ago Willie Phyn, the head worker and Walter Franks conspired to remove out of the country, a step ahead of the police who were looking for him, a young male worker who was meeting rent boys at a public toilet in Auckland. Snow would not have been in the work at the time but this is common enough knowledge that he will have known about it. If the sick are looking after the sick there is not much chance of improvement. How many years ago was this curly- maybe 50? To go back that far and judge a situation you only heard about involving people no longer alive to answer for themselves is desperate and stooping pretty low. We have had a thread on here re the Kansas situation and there have been several contradicting reports and that is a current event. I don't know about the men in your story but has it ever occurred to you that some of the tales you are repeating might not be right. Somehow I don't think that would worry you too much. What I said is 100% correct. My point is that nothing has changed. The Kansas situation is evidence of that, where headworkers are being deceitful. That something was made up by a headworker in the USA about another worker having an affair does not seem to worry you too much The apple is rotten to the core it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 17:48:05 GMT -5
There is evidence in NZ that many years ago Willie Phyn, the head worker and Walter Franks conspired to remove out of the country, a step ahead of the police who were looking for him, a young male worker who was meeting rent boys at a public toilet in Auckland. Snow would not have been in the work at the time but this is common enough knowledge that he will have known about it. If the sick are looking after the sick there is not much chance of improvement. You should be more careful in want you right. The first sentence has at least 2 inaccuracies and possibly a third. Graham Snow would have been about 14 or 15 at the time. He probably never knew anything about it. How he can be possibly be brought into your post on this, beats me.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2018 18:32:34 GMT -5
No inaccuracies at all. He would have been told about this at some stage of his career. Why are you defending these evil people? I bring this up as I said before to show that nothing has changed. The workers were involved in evil acts in the 1950's and still are today.
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 31, 2018 11:55:36 GMT -5
There is nothing to indicate that what Graham was talking about anything criminal here (like CSA) - in fact just the opposite. The complaint was about things being said that were unjust. If it was criminal matters, then these people would be very unlikely to have ever gone back and reprofessed. If it was a simple squabble or insult, it is highly unlikely that they would have left in the first place. It is also unlikely that the syntax would have repeatedly involved the word "justice". Most likely, they would have been looking for an apology or to be moved to another meeting. There were two objections that they raised. 1) What was happening. 2) What was being said in response. This is classically indicative of the CSA situation within the 2x2 sect. First, the abuse is clearly wrong. But the coverup and excuse of the situation by the overseers is horrific as well. However, it could refer to other serious situations other than CSA as well. As we learn more and more about the long term effects of bullying, it is becoming clear that tolerating abuse is not advisable. For years I watched my parents be preached against in meetings, anonymously called up and insulted in the middle of the night, have rumors spread about them, etc. They ended up in horrible health from stress-related conditions, and dependent on anti-depressants to function. If you believe that the 2x2s are the only true religion and that God is planning to destroy and eternally torture everybody else, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR LEAVING. Your conscience will demand staying. We see that fanaticism in the worker in question. The complaining couple provides him with food, lodging, clothing, car, medical care, air transport around the globe, and so on. In return he publicly characterizes their grandchildren as "The young were destroyed, the eggs, the young in the nest" because they don't follow his religion and accept him as God's ultimate authority over all of Europe.
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 31, 2018 11:59:57 GMT -5
No inaccuracies at all. He would have been told about this at some stage of his career. Why are you defending these evil people? I bring this up as I said before to show that nothing has changed. The workers were involved in evil acts in the 1950's and still are today. Regarding cases in Europe, this is a good benchmark to look at. wingsfortruth.info/breaking-the-silence-convicted-csa-offenders-noel-tanner/ Related events continue to make the news, and the Chief of All Europe would certainly have been in a position to help or apologize to the victims.
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