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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 22:58:45 GMT -5
ok, this is what I found: 1802 , W Paley was the first apologist , to put forth the reasoning of the “watchmaker” (designed) analysis. I do agree with W Paley. and to reprint my favorable opinion of W . Paley’s quote. Enjoy!!👍
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2018 23:01:11 GMT -5
Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed.[ ] There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.[font size="1"] William Paley (probably)DM, Whose understanding is flawed anyways ? ? You gotta be joking right? 🤦♀️[/quote] As usual, I don't get what you are talking about.
I said nothing about anything "flawed."
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 23:08:41 GMT -5
ok, this is what I found: 1802 , W Paley was the first apologist , to put forth the reasoning of the “watchmaker” (designed) analysis. I do agree with W Paley. and to reprint my favorable opinion of W . Paley’s quote. Enjoy!!👍 DM, your post was about a post that I was responding to. It might help if someone else explains to you that I did not disparage WPaleys quote, I opined that rational opinion, “that it seems (my) opinion Is flawed “ should be enjoyed, and why not, (Don’t we all enjoy our opinions? ) Enjoy ! ! 👍🎉🎉👏👏
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 23:09:00 GMT -5
ok, this is what I found: 1802 , W Paley was the first apologist , to put forth the reasoning of the “watchmaker” (designed) analysis. I do agree with W Paley. and to reprint my favorable opinion of W . Paley’s quote. Enjoy!!👍 DM, your post was about a post that I was responding to. It might help if someone else explains to you that I did not disparage WPaleys quote, I opined that rational opinion, “that it seems (my) opinion Is flawed “ should be enjoyed, and why not, (Don’t we all enjoy our opinions? ) Enjoy ! ! 👍🎉🎉👏👏
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2018 23:20:03 GMT -5
Here is the quote that we are discussing:
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance.
This principle is, contempt prior to examination.
Can you explain what it meant by that quote?
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 23:21:01 GMT -5
[thread" timestamp="1522276557"]Was counting the genealogies from Adam to Abraham
It might be 20 I think, and then 14 generations to David the King of Israel .
Interesting chronology. (then came Solomon, the wisest
ever born to man/woman )
I understand that the Hebrew, especially the “tribe of Judah/Jew” Were meticulous genealogists?
And for very good reason! (see research)
It was public information up until the year (about 70 AD)
and then .... it was lost, at least the written and certified Records, why? , As I understand it to be, those records Were destroyed when and with the second destruction of the temple ...?
The Bible does a great service in keeping those 62 generations Chronilized , up until the Messiah was born (from tribe of Judah)
There should be absolutely No question that the Hebrew Chronology is erred, unless you have some very very Strange “conspiracy theory “.
(Imagine That! ! The very paradigm that rational thinkers
Dispose of? Hmmm🤷♂️🤦♀️🤦♀️
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 23:28:00 GMT -5
Here is the quote that we are discussing:There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance.
This principle is, contempt prior to examination.
Can you explain what it means?
well, let me think of a good example of “contempt prior to examination!” me: oh, your rash contempt of my opinion, of your opinion, Of the context of the comment “ that is your opinion, Enjoy!” right? 🤯. Ouch!
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Post by edittedfor clarity on Mar 28, 2018 23:32:31 GMT -5
Was counting the genealogies from Adam to Abraham
It might be 20 I think, and then 14 generations to David the King of Israel .
Interesting chronology. (then came Solomon, the wisest
ever born to man/woman )
I understand that the Hebrew, especially the “tribe of Judah/Jew” Were meticulous genealogists?
And for very good reason! (see research)
It was public information up until the year (about 70 AD)
and then .... it was lost, at least the written and certified Records, why? , As I understand it to be, those records Were destroyed when and with the second destruction of the temple ...?
The Bible does a great service in keeping those 62 generations Chronilized , up until the Messiah was born (from tribe of Judah)
There should be absolutely No questioning of : the Hebrew Chronology , unless you have some very very Strange “conspiracy theory “.
(Imagine That! ! The very paradigm that rational thinkers
Dispose of? Hmmm🤷♂️🤦♀️🤦♀️[/q
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2018 0:43:56 GMT -5
Here is the quote that we are discussing:There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance.
This principle is, contempt prior to examination.
Can you explain what it means? bar
well, let me think of a good example of “contempt prior to examination!” me: oh, your rash contempt of my opinion, of your opinion, Of the context of the comment “ that is your opinion, Enjoy!” right? 🤯. Ouch! No nothing to do with "opinions" How about us trying to dissect the whole quote:
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination." Let's dissect the whole quote:#1 definition of: "principle" a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived:
#2 definition of: "bar" rigid piece of wood, metal, or similar material, typically used as an obstruction
#3 now there is a "general law" (principle) that an "obstruction" (bar) against all information etc.; (conclusion ) -is it cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance"
So what is the "principle" that "keeps a man in everlasting ignorance? "
It is "contempt prior to examination."
In other words, one can have all the "information," -have "proof against all argument," but still, -if one won't even examine the information and scorns it as worthless then the "principle" states that it will "keep a man in everlasting ignorance."
(I would have made a lousy teacher, -hope my post makes sense)
So, you see, -it has nothing to do with "opinions" but rather examining knowledge before judging it, - otherwise we are apt can stay ignorant for ever.
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Post by xyz on Mar 29, 2018 3:31:47 GMT -5
Are you physically ok, snow? Notice it has been awhile since you have posted.
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Post by friend on Mar 29, 2018 7:01:44 GMT -5
Are you physically ok, snow? Notice it has been awhile since you have posted. and to reach a larger circle of viewers, there is a “shout out” feature that you could access? hope this helps thanks for your kind inquiry, xyz 🙂
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2018 17:50:41 GMT -5
Are you physically ok, snow? Notice it has been awhile since you have posted. Yes xyz thank you. I was away for a couple of weeks and wasn't able to get on here. Glad to be back home and on here.
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Post by xyz on Mar 29, 2018 21:44:36 GMT -5
That’s good!
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Post by friend on Aug 27, 2018 22:41:36 GMT -5
well, let me think of a good example of “contempt prior to examination!” me: oh, your rash contempt of my opinion, of your opinion, Of the context of the comment “ that is your opinion, Enjoy!” right? 🤯. Ouch! No nothing to do with "opinions" How about us trying to dissect the whole quote:
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination." Let's dissect the whole quote:#1 definition of: "principle" a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived:
#2 definition of: "bar" rigid piece of wood, metal, or similar material, typically used as an obstruction
#3 now there is a "general law" (principle) that an "obstruction" (bar) against all information etc.; (conclusion ) -is it cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance"
So what is the "principle" that "keeps a man in everlasting ignorance? "
It is "contempt prior to examination."
In other words, one can have all the "information," -have "proof against all argument," but still, -if one won't even examine the information and scorns it as worthless then the "principle" states that it will "keep a man in everlasting ignorance."
(I would have made a lousy teacher, -hope my post makes sense)
So, you see, -it has nothing to do with "opinions" but rather examining knowledge before judging it, - otherwise we are apt can stay ignorant for ever.
Bump. As a rule, if a hypothesis sounds “credible” , it should be examined? Although everyone likely had there personal bias to “The sound of credulity?” eh?
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Post by Hmmmmmm on Sept 30, 2018 12:58:47 GMT -5
Well, certainly Genisis is a literary masterpiece.
It must’ve been great to have it scrolled down with
written words (even though written words bring
a myriad of technical obstacles along ) ((correct Writing and spelling ))
Nevertheless, it was passed down through the generations
more or less “spotlessly “ ..
God spoke , Adam remembered , Moses recorded ... as far as we can appreciate the tremendous efforts of those that particiated in this preservation,
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