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Post by magpie on Dec 16, 2017 16:35:06 GMT -5
Many Points,But a couple of stand outs That demanded celibate institutions are more likely to attract,but not necessary,CSA abusers paedophiles. (1 Corinthians 9---Paul was a bit grumpy as to why He and BARNABAS did not have a christian wife to take on their travels as the other Disciples.)
X.Candidates for Religiopus ministry should underg external psychological testing,INCLUDING PSYCHO SEXUAL ASSESSMENT to determine their suitability to be in the ministry and undertake work involving children. (1 Timothy 5--Do not be hastyin the laying on of hands (ORDAINING)and do not share in the sins of others.Keep yourself pure.)
X. Any person in religious ministry who is a subject of a complaint of child sexual abuse which is substantiated...orwho is convicted of an offence relating to child sexual abuse should be permently removed from ministry,
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DON'T USE THE "BUT THE ROMAN CATHOLICS ARE WORSE,ESPECIALLY IN THE COVERUPS AND SENT TO OTHER FIELDS,OR DENYING JUSTICE TO VICTIMS("REMEMBER WE VICTIMS ,FOR DECADES HAVE GOT NO JUSTICE , PASTORAL or PROFESSIONAL CARE") THE BEAM AND THE SPLINTER" Love MAGPIE
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Post by magpie on Dec 18, 2017 7:29:12 GMT -5
"NO COMMENTS?  " You can't ask Bishop John, unfortunately,but try brother Bruce,not without a strong witness with you though. Sadly throughout the universal/worldwide Irvinist 2x2's unbiblicaly demanded ministry, there is still enough "beams"amongst them to build a long bridge. Don't be scared of the wider Body of Christ(Church),remember in 2016 every 6 minutes one of us from this Body were martyred for their faith in Christ,"NOT"faith in an unbiblical Preacher only ministry. ..Ephesians 4, And He Himself gave some to be Apostles,some Prophets,some evangelists,and some PASTORS,and TEACHERS.For the equiping of the Saints for the work of ministry.for the edifying of the Body of Christ,till we all come to the unity of Faith and the knowledge of the Son of God,to the perfect man,to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Sadly, the 2bees used to say thy are a direct line from the Pauline teachings,sadly they have ignored at least 75%% of his teaching and instructions to the Church.victims of Ernie Barry 30+? [names removed] grouped with "Fidler Jack paedophile Trigg",in destroying the mental health (BiPolar illness) of Ian Parker,leading to eventual "SUICIDE". "STILL NO COMMENTS"??. PERHAPS THE CHRISTMAS TREE DEBATE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOUR SALVATION THAN EMBRACING THE GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE AND HIS WRITTEN WORD. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 20, 2017 0:08:28 GMT -5
It seems to me that the workers need training about who are the most vulnerable, such as children who feel unloved by patents/guardians, those with inborn mental deficiency, etc. Because it seems to me their are the most abused, taken advantage of.
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Post by magpie on Dec 20, 2017 0:36:30 GMT -5
Thanks "sharingtheriches",Always read your snippets. NO!!! No worker training will ever deter a mentally ill "paedophile".No I am not being rough here,these men and (yes)women are allowed into some good family homes in good faith,and get pampered and slightly worshiped.. Normal strong morally good parents,love their equally intellegent kids,life for all are comfortable.Better the home,the more kids,often sleeping in same poom as one of them."A SMORGASBORD".In the 1940/50s?a boy then from Sheperton said "Dad why did you play with my bottom last night". It wasn't Dad. And that Preacher finished up being the Elder of this State .
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Post by blandie on Dec 20, 2017 0:57:14 GMT -5
Every parent and child who's old enough to be around workers unsupervised should be aware of the limits and that when those are crossed that the authorities - not the local elder or the local workers or the overseer - need to be immediately contacted. But who is going to drive that message home and keep it on the front burner over time until it becomes ingrained into the F&W culture?
I recall precious little evidence of teaching of basic sexual education or morality either in sermons or the lives of many of the friends. I doubt many had a clue as to what words in relevant bible passages meant - or would have thought they were even important based on how little emphasis it was given.
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Post by fixit on Dec 20, 2017 4:37:12 GMT -5
Thank goodness for secular courts. The godly would never allow their pedophilia to be criticized by their own... For some, questioning the actions of "God's servants" is the same as questioning God. To quote Dale Shultz, former overseer of western North America: If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well.
...something that is very much a part of being a child of God is to respect those who are over us in the Lord, to pray for them, to obey them, to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. |
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Post by snow on Dec 20, 2017 14:58:16 GMT -5
Thank goodness for secular courts. The godly would never allow their pedophilia to be criticized by their own... Not all of them though ips. We need to remember that. Some of the F&W's are working the best they know how to change things. Some of the ex's are helping them. People like Scott and Clearday are involved and working to make changes. Those are the only 2 I know of but I'm very sure they aren't acting alone and that there is lots of concern with others. It's the ones that deny it's happening or know it happening and not doing anything that I find hard to understand. Yes, thank goodness for secular courts. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 21, 2017 21:39:44 GMT -5
Thank goodness for secular courts. The godly would never allow their pedophilia to be criticized by their own... Not all of them though ips. We need to remember that. Some of the F&W's are working the best they know how to change things. Some of the ex's are helping them. People like Scott and Clearday are involved and working to make changes. Those are the only 2 I know of but I'm very sure they aren't acting alone and that there is lots of concern with others. It's the ones that deny it's happening or know it happening and not doing anything that I find hard to understand. Yes, thank goodness for secular courts. I seem to catch the feeling that perhaps the main reason lot of workers who don't try to do the right thing in regards to sexual assault s among their peers is because they are guilty of some kind of sexual behavior. The overseer who was responsible to handle Ira Hobbs in the MTG settings can't do anything because he's admitted to his own behaviors that aren't advisable in the Bible. |
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Post by snow on Dec 22, 2017 15:50:50 GMT -5
Not all of them though ips. We need to remember that. Some of the F&W's are working the best they know how to change things. Some of the ex's are helping them. People like Scott and Clearday are involved and working to make changes. Those are the only 2 I know of but I'm very sure they aren't acting alone and that there is lots of concern with others. It's the ones that deny it's happening or know it happening and not doing anything that I find hard to understand. Yes, thank goodness for secular courts. I seem to catch the feeling that perhaps the main reason lot of workers who don't try to do the right thing in regards to sexual assault s among their peers is because they are guilty of some kind of sexual behavior. The overseer who was responsible to handle Ira Hobbs in the MTG settings can't do anything because he's admitted to his own behaviors that aren't advisable in the Bible. Do you really think it's that rampant among the workers? I guess it could be but it goes against everything I was taught to believe about them. I recognize there are those who will fail to be celibate, but as long as it's with a consenting adult it shouldn't be that big a deal. I don't see how any worker can step aside and not do anything about csa, nor the friends either. Nothing will happen until people realize they need to report these things when they are not consensual and/or they are under the age of consent when it happened. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 22, 2017 18:13:04 GMT -5
I seem to catch the feeling that perhaps the main reason lot of workers who don't try to do the right thing in regards to sexual assault s among their peers is because they are guilty of some kind of sexual behavior. The overseer who was responsible to handle Ira Hobbs in the MTG settings can't do anything because he's admitted to his own behaviors that aren't advisable in the Bible. Do you really think it's that rampant among the workers? I guess it could be but it goes against everything I was taught to believe about them. I recognize there are those who will fail to be celibate, but as long as it's with a consenting adult it shouldn't be that big a deal. I don't see how any worker can step aside and not do anything about csa, nor the friends either. Nothing will happen until people realize they need to report these things when they are not consensual and/or they are under the age of consent when it happened. Snow, fornication was one of the specific things the eleven had written in their letter to the Gentile converts of Paul, after some had tried to push the Mosaic law onto the Gentile converts. They write to the Gentile converts to not fornicate, nor be involved in bloods. Fornication is a sin. The Bible says that fornication is a sun against onesself. But in the case of the ministry being celibate, then fornication of the ministry becomes a stumbling block to the lay people. Some churches consider fornication between pastor and church member to be rape, because the pastor does hold power over the church member. |
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Post by snow on Dec 22, 2017 18:37:32 GMT -5
Do you really think it's that rampant among the workers? I guess it could be but it goes against everything I was taught to believe about them. I recognize there are those who will fail to be celibate, but as long as it's with a consenting adult it shouldn't be that big a deal. I don't see how any worker can step aside and not do anything about csa, nor the friends either. Nothing will happen until people realize they need to report these things when they are not consensual and/or they are under the age of consent when it happened. Snow, fornication was one of the specific things the eleven had written in their letter to the Gentile converts of Paul, after some had tried to push the Mosaic law onto the Gentile converts. They write to the Gentile converts to not fornicate, nor be involved in bloods. Fornication is a sin. The Bible says that fornication is a sun against onesself. But in the case of the ministry being celibate, then fornication of the ministry becomes a stumbling block to the lay people. Some churches consider fornication between pastor and church member to be rape, because the pastor does hold power over the church member. Yes, in positions of power it certainly could be considered rape even though they may not have resisted physically. This is always true with children that are under the age of consent. |
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Post by penguin on Dec 23, 2017 12:35:29 GMT -5
Going back to the recommendations of the report (assuming it is not necessary to read the whole work to find more).......
1) Ministers to be vetted by psychological testing before being admitted to the position
2) Ministers who have been found out for bad behaviour to be permanently eliminated from their position.
Has anyone heard whether Aus. workers have been made aware of these findings?
If so, will they be adopted by the workers, (setting aside the argument whether or not the structure is registered) ?
And why, I wonder, did not the experts decide that all existing ministers ought to undergo psychological testing? It strikes me that in all religions, it is going to take another 20, 30, 40 years or more for a generation of those existing people to roll out of the system. Psychological testing could identify risk cases among them, but meanwhile it will only be if they are found out that they will have to leave.
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Post by woodsman on Dec 30, 2017 17:00:02 GMT -5
I can assure you they are more than aware. At the moment they are washing their underpants several times a day. Pedophiles develop a cunning as many other type mentally ill psychiatric sufferers do. Never will the 2x2s clean them and those who have protected then out,until they are totally disbanded,and followers freed.
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Post by joanna on Dec 30, 2017 20:19:41 GMT -5
fixit Regarding 'questioning God": please consider the biblical verses which inform that the god of Abraham condoned infanticide. God's exampleAny of you who believe in the Holy Bible should be consistent and therefore take responsibility for perpetuating a belief in a god who, if you believe in him, exemplified violent and cruel behaviours. magpie just to think that anyone who picks up the bible and reads its content with reverence and respect is validating a god who abused and slaughtered little children. Can you not understand how the abuse by christians is related to a belief in a cruel and monstrous god? Dale Shultz is correct when he claims the questioning of workers reflects the christian's attitude to god as being disrespectful but he is WRONG to think that should not happen. Questioning is the rational response to biblical content as those abusers of children can justify their actions when compared to actions of the god of the bible. Let your questioning instead lead you to reason, as the bible's teachings both directly and indirectly validate the subordination and abuse of children.
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Post by penguin on Jan 1, 2018 7:08:17 GMT -5
I can assure you they are more than aware. At the moment they are washing their underpants several times a day. Pedophiles develop a cunning as many other type mentally ill psychiatric sufferers do. Never will the 2x2s clean them and those who have protected then out,until they are totally disbanded,and followers freed. It is mischievous for you to say the group will be totally disbanded and followers freed. Nobody on earth will win by fighting against an Almighty God like that |
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" You can't ask Bishop John, unfortunately,but try brother Bruce,not without a strong witness with you though. Sadly throughout the universal/worldwide Irvinist 2x2's unbiblicaly demanded ministry, there is still enough "beams"amongst them to build a long bridge. Don't be scared of the wider Body of Christ(Church),remember in 2016 every 6 minutes one of us from this Body were martyred for their faith in Christ,"NOT"faith in an unbiblical Preacher only ministry. ..Ephesians 4, And He Himself gave some to be Apostles,some Prophets,some evangelists,and some PASTORS,and TEACHERS.For the equiping of the Saints for the work of ministry.for the edifying of the Body of Christ,till we all come to the unity of Faith and the knowledge of the Son of God,to the perfect man,to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Sadly, the 2bees used to say thy are a direct line from the Pauline teachings,sadly they have ignored at least 75%% of his teaching and instructions to the Church.victims of Ernie Barry 30+? [names removed] grouped with "Fidler Jack paedophile Trigg",in destroying the mental health (BiPolar illness) of Ian Parker,leading to eventual "SUICIDE". "STILL NO COMMENTS"??. PERHAPS THE CHRISTMAS TREE DEBATE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOUR SALVATION THAN EMBRACING THE GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE AND HIS WRITTEN WORD.
