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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 14, 2017 18:22:12 GMT -5
She died before the truth began. She wasn't a sister worker or an elder's wife. She never took part in a house church. But she wrote an amazing hymn.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Nov 14, 2017 18:27:11 GMT -5
1871... definitely not before the truth began. The truth is eternal.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 14, 2017 18:34:58 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 14, 2017 18:56:02 GMT -5
1871... definitely not before the truth began. The truth is eternal. So you have a Workers list for 1871 do you calleduntoliberty ? |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Nov 14, 2017 19:34:16 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. No, sir, you are wrong. He was in the beginning, before time began. |
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Post by jetmech on Nov 14, 2017 19:47:40 GMT -5
gill ... I love that hymn JUST AS I AM ... and I play an instrumental arrangement of it on guitar. You're right It certainly is a beautiful hymn, and I understand your point the lady who wrote it was never in the truth; but, doesn't GOD sometimes speak through people who are not
saved? I mean .... what about the thief who was hung beside Jesus ... and what about the man who beat upon his chest and proclaimed
" .... forgive me Lord ... a sinner ..." I'm glad you posted this post, because that is one of my favorite hymns; but, I'm just sayin' ... and I still maintain that if those people in the truth want to believe as they do ... I say let em be ... they're not hurting anyone, and they have good intentions. For the most part they're good people. |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Nov 14, 2017 19:55:50 GMT -5
jetmech, it is true that God can speak through someone who is not saved, but that man on the cross was certainly saved, as Jesus said so. As for the man who repented in the synagogue, there's no reason to say he wasn't saved either.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 14, 2017 19:57:27 GMT -5
calleduntoliberty ... you're right. I gotta fess up. You got me ...and you got me good! I should have thought that out a second or two before I posted that. Hey, if I'm wrong about a thing ... I have no problem admitting it publicly ... it's a little bit embarrassing; but, what can I say? lol if you're right, you're right .... and you're right. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 14, 2017 20:35:32 GMT -5
1871... definitely not before the truth began. The truth is eternal. Oh the games people play...while they make themselves look ridiculous doing so. Equivocation - you think we exes aren't on to THAT??? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 8:19:54 GMT -5
The whole Truth/truth equivocation is an old trick. I wonder sometimes whether they know what they're doing when they do it...
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Post by nathan on Nov 15, 2017 8:55:38 GMT -5
1871... definitely not before the truth began. The truth is eternal. Oh the games people play...while they make themselves look ridiculous doing so. Equivocation - you think we exes aren't on to THAT??? Nov 15, 2017 4:15:51 GMT -8 joanna said: Whether a person claims to be an apostle or an historian, there are qualifications and standards required to support their claim to that role. As has been revealed by the other thread, christians have contrasting views about what it takes to be a true disciple/apostle. The role of historian used to be more flexible as people without formal qualifications would be referred to as historians. More recently, a professional historian is required to have studied history at a tertiary level and earn a graduate degree; either a Masters or PhD. Historians have a responsibility to avoid bias. An earlier comment refers to the objective or conscientious historian in contrast to the style David Irving applied. Cherie Kropp your inquiry and profiling of the 2x2 group is undeniably biased and that is your right to use that approach. However this practice is consistent with a journalistic perspective; society expects journalists to color their writing with their personal opinions.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Nov 15, 2017 9:37:05 GMT -5
1871... definitely not before the truth began. The truth is eternal. Oh the games people play...while they make themselves look ridiculous doing so. Equivocation - you think we exes aren't on to THAT??? What "equivocation" and "games" are you talking about? I don't think you are on to anything with your above post. |
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Post by learning on Nov 15, 2017 16:00:02 GMT -5
This conversation reminds me of just how messed up ... oh, nevermind.
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 15, 2017 20:59:45 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. "...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? |
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Post by Ed on Nov 17, 2017 12:35:32 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. "...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? Let's be clear, Truth is a religion but truth is a person. Jesus (truth) existed before creation, but Truth was started by William Irvine not so long ago. Have you ever thought about truth being a person? And being saved by the blood of Jesus? You understand that Jesus never told anyone to attend meetings, or to report to the local workers church in order to be saved? Jesus told people; 1. No one is good except for God (so we are all sinners in need of repentance) 2. Believe (justification) 3. Do good works (sanctification) |
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Post by nathan on Nov 17, 2017 12:56:04 GMT -5
"...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? Let's be clear, Truth is a religion but truth is a person. Jesus (truth) existed before creation, but Truth was started by William Irvine not so long ago. Have you ever thought about truth being a person? And being saved by the blood of Jesus? You understand that Jesus never told anyone to attend meetings, or to report to the local workers church in order to be saved? Jesus told people; 1. No one is good except for God (so we are all sinners in need of repentance) 2. Believe (justification) 3. Do good works (sanctification) *** William Irvine and the 2x2 workers Truth was founded by John Govan, the Founder of the FAITH Mission in 1886. William Irvine, was their preacher and he broke off from the FM and copied the 2x2 workers apostolic ministry from them. William Irvine did Not come up with any new earth shaking idea at all or found anything! Many of his early followers came from his FAITH Mission gospel meetings. Jesus told the 12 and 70 apostles if the listeners reject their message/gospel, they are rejecting him, and if they are rejecting the Father, who sent Him. |
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 17, 2017 23:57:30 GMT -5
Let's be clear, Truth is a religion but truth is a person. Jesus (truth) existed before creation, but Truth was started by William Irvine not so long ago. Have you ever thought about truth being a person? And being saved by the blood of Jesus? You understand that Jesus never told anyone to attend meetings, or to report to the local workers church in order to be saved? Jesus told people; 1. No one is good except for God (so we are all sinners in need of repentance) 2. Believe (justification) 3. Do good works (sanctification) *** William Irvine and the 2x2 workers Truth was founded by John Govan, the Founder of the FAITH Mission in 1886. William Irvine, was their preacher and he broke off from the FM and copied the 2x2 workers apostolic ministry from them. William Irvine did Not come up with any new earth shaking idea at all or found anything! Many of his early followers came from his FAITH Mission gospel meetings. Jesus told the 12 and 70 apostles if the listeners reject their message/gospel, they are rejecting him, and if they are rejecting the Father, who sent Him. You have got your wires crossed up. William I. only became a contemporary leader of things that were always true. Doesn't mean to say he was a perfect person but was brave enough to bring it to our attention in the 19th century. Think of it this way too. If he had never existed you wouldn't have much to talk about on this board. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 18, 2017 0:06:46 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. Maybe she thinks "the truth" is the same as "the Truth".  |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 18, 2017 0:10:14 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. "...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? I just made it up last week. Did it spread that far so fast? |
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Post by nathan on Nov 18, 2017 0:13:14 GMT -5
*** William Irvine and the 2x2 workers Truth was founded by John Govan, the Founder of the FAITH Mission in 1886. William Irvine, was their preacher and he broke off from the FM and copied the 2x2 workers apostolic ministry from them. William Irvine did Not come up with any new earth shaking idea at all or found anything! Many of his early followers came from his FAITH Mission gospel meetings. Jesus told the 12 and 70 apostles if the listeners reject their message/gospel, they are rejecting him, and if they are rejecting the Father, who sent Him. You have got your wires crossed up. William I. only became a contemporary leader of things that were always true. Doesn't mean to say he was a perfect person but was brave enough to bring it to our attention in the 19th century. Think of it this way too. If he had never existed you wouldn't have much to talk about on this board.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 18, 2017 0:43:50 GMT -5
The Truth began in 1897 Ireland, friend. "...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? When the KJV was written. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 18, 2017 0:46:50 GMT -5
You have got your wires crossed up. William I. only became a contemporary leader of things that were always true. Doesn't mean to say he was a perfect person but was brave enough to bring it to our attention in the 19th century. Think of it this way too. If he had never existed you wouldn't have much to talk about on this board.
How come this god character of yours did not raise up anyone to represent him in Australia or Zambesi or anywhere else in between. Seems to me it was in a certain geographical area that this raising up was done. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 1:17:00 GMT -5
"...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? When the KJV was written. your a little off say 1600+ years... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 1:18:18 GMT -5
My wires are NOT crossed up. God would have raised people like Edward Cooney, who had the same revelation of God's truth at the same time they met William Irvine... There were men and women for 1800 years prior to William Irvine and John Govan that God gave them same understand to carry on the same apostolic ministry/gospel of Christ like in the 1st century.
How come this god character of yours did not raise up anyone to represent him in Australia or Zambesi or anywhere else in between. Seems to me it was in a certain geographical area that this raising up was done. I55 or Isaiah 55 |
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Post by nathan on Nov 18, 2017 1:23:57 GMT -5
My wires are NOT crossed up. God would have raised people like Edward Cooney, who had the same revelation of God's truth at the same time they met William Irvine... There were men and women for 1800 years prior to William Irvine and John Govan that God gave them same understand to carry on the same apostolic ministry/gospel of Christ like in the 1st century.
How come this god character of yours did not raise up anyone to represent him in Australia or Zambesi or anywhere else in between. Seems to me it was in a certain geographical area that this raising up was done.
As Jesus Christ had commanded them in Matthew 28.... that He will be with them unto the end of the ages! until He comes to reign on the earth 1000 years with His believers.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 18, 2017 1:55:14 GMT -5
In the years before the white fella brought the white fellas gospel those verses and comments about the bible meant zilch to the people living in the middle of nowhere. This is where anyone with a brain would start questioning the veracity of bible.
In my view it is found to be lacking in truthfulness.
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Post by blandie on Nov 18, 2017 4:33:12 GMT -5
In the years before the white fella brought the white fellas gospel those verses and comments about the bible meant zilch to the people living in the middle of nowhere. This is where anyone with a brain would start questioning the veracity of bible. Well that was sure a reason for me questioning the worker-centric spin the 2x2-ism has put on the bible - what about folks that the workers never would reach and what about folks before even jesus and what about folks who couldn't understand and later what about the folks before 2x2-ism even existed and were all those folks cut off from god's grace and damned?  Come to find that they were picking a few words out of passages that seemed to support their system while leaving out the rest that showed that it said no such thing. Real hard to get that out of the brain and read it without the slant. As an example they are still harping on roman 10 about it saying that its necessary to hear and believe thru them... And the workers would always stop right there and make it sound that the bible says that the preaching of the workers was absolutely necessary for faith and also that their words were the words of christ. But I don't recall a worker ever going on to the very next sentence that says that the preaching already has happened and makes the workers unnecessary. |
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 18, 2017 7:37:43 GMT -5
"...I am the way, the truth, and the life..." Tell me when did that begin? I just made it up last week. Did it spread that far so fast? "Oh ye of little faith..." |
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Come to find that they were picking a few words out of passages that seemed to support their system while leaving out the rest that showed that it said no such thing. Real hard to get that out of the brain and read it without the slant. As an example they are still harping on roman 10 about it saying that its necessary to hear and believe thru them...