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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 22, 2017 16:29:07 GMT -5
In some places, emblems are served at Convention, such as New Zealand and Australia, but not in North America and one reason given this is because per Jesus' example, the emblems are only to be taken in the home.
I know that genuine wine is and was used in Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy and France, and possibly all Europe. I've not heard of any country where 2x2s use unleavened bread, as Jesus did as the last Supper. In North America, purple grape juice (not white) is used, and the most common reason given is that it might cause problems for converted alcoholics.
What is the practice in the UK & Ireland? Do they serve real wine for emblems in meetings? Do they serve emblems at conventions?
I know genuine wine is/has been used in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy, England, France. And possibly all Europe? Would like to know about customs in other countries, including South America.
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Post by continuer on Jul 22, 2017 16:33:58 GMT -5
non-alcoholic grape juice is the general practice in the UK but not exclusively so. The emblems do not feature at conventions in the UK or Ireland. I was told once that the reason for this is that the emblems are to be partaken of in a home.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 23, 2017 2:52:24 GMT -5
It is one of the best ways of passing on germs. Imagine the furore if a meningicocal infection was spread using grape juice.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 23, 2017 16:01:39 GMT -5
I've not heard of any country where 2x2s use unleavened bread, as Jesus did as the last Supper. The evidence claimed about the nature of the bread used is hardly conclusive and has been hotly debated for millennia. Both sides find various symbolism in their interpretation. The Last Supper was during the Festival of Unleavened Bread, but in Matthew 26:26, when it says that "Jesus took bread" it actually uses the Greek word artos - a loaf of common leavened bread, rather than azumos - the unleavened bread. In either case, you can be sure that the processed ingredients of the bread and wine used in any church are substantially different from those of the first century.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 16:11:02 GMT -5
In some places, emblems are served at Convention, such as New Zealand and Australia, Not served at convention in NZ - stopped around 50 years ago, I reckon
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 23, 2017 16:30:31 GMT -5
It was "a given" (understood without being stated) that it would be unleavened bread Jesus broke. Further, it would be anathema for the Jews to use leavened bread for Passover. www.google.com/search?q=passover+bread&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8Passover was called "the feast of unleavened bread" 16 times in the Bible. including the 17th verse in the same chapter 26 you referenced above: Matthew 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? Mark 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. 1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. Above verses KJV Copied from Bible Gateway
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 23, 2017 17:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 1, 2017 17:58:58 GMT -5
Well done everyone for having a civil, well-bred discussion...
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Post by sauerkraut on Aug 1, 2017 21:02:47 GMT -5
non-alcoholic grape juice is the general practice in the UK but not exclusively so. The emblems do not feature at conventions in the UK or Ireland. I was told once that the reason for this is that the emblems are to be partaken of in a home. most conv. grounds down under are somebodies home
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