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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 7:36:39 GMT -5
I deleted my post.
If Cherie K. just posting history parts like John Long Journal, George P. early days journal, workers letters, etc.. then she is great as a researcher on information. She must leave out her own understanding of the Scriptures, against the workers and bias theories... like William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 founding date, it made her credibility goes down the toilet when a person carefully study John Long Journal and others information.
Cherie is not a Bible student... so, her understand on the Bible scriptures, belief, and 2x2 doctrines are not very clear and good. Stick with posting 2x2 history, Cherie.
But of course you understand the bible scriptures don't you nathan !!! Like DMG say you wouldn't have the information you have without CherieKropp 's research, also you are quick to use it when it suits your purpose !
Cherie's TTT website just showed William Irvine (ex- Faith Mission preacher), and the early 2x2 workers (who left many Protestant denominations to join William Irvine) beginning of their journey in 1898-1900... William Irvine, the ex- Faith Mission preacher, brought the 2x2 apostolic workers ministry, which founded by John Govan in 1886. William Irvine had many converts, who later left the Faith Mission to join him because they saw things were done not according to scriptures!
John Govan, did not practice what he preached living by Faith. They didn't believe in baptizing their converts, which Jesus taught his apostles to baptize their converts. They didn't have communion or having the bread and wine in their worship services, which are one of the most important part of the Christians services. Two of the most important parts of Jesus teachings, which they didn't have, so William Irvine and many of his converts left the Faith and became what we know as the friends and workers or 2x2s in 1900s.
Another important teaching, which most of the 2x2 early workers did NOT agree with the Faith Mission was non-exclusive or sending their converts back to the churches of their choices.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 7:45:50 GMT -5
nathan Who is "George P"? I don't know about any 2x2 history by a George P.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 8:00:28 GMT -5
nathan Who is "George P"? I don't know about any 2x2 history by a George P. His first name isn't George. It's Goodhand. |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 10:08:55 GMT -5
Pattison, who had a son in the work, he wrote the early days account of the 2x2. His first name isn't George. It's Goodhand. Somebody on this thread gave him the name George P. and it's sounds better and easier name to remember. Haha... |
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2017 11:11:56 GMT -5
snowMaintaining a position of neutrality infers the person does not take a position on the issue or topic. There are many examples which disprove that Cherie Kropp maintains a neutral position regarding the status of the 2x2 group. There is one on this thread when she wrote: To take a neutral stance about the 2x2 group would be to simply present any documents related to this group to prompt discussion however, in order to maintain a position of neutrality, the person must avoid stating their opinion. Cherie Kropp declares the 2x2 belief to be founded on a lie and to therefore be a false (not) christian belief. Yet she cannot provide her measure of truth which would evidence these claims. She failed to answer these questions I asked her many months back
"What is the standard used to measure truth in the religious context?
Is this standard applied to other religious belief systems? If not, on what basis is a website dedicated to critiquing the origins of the 'truth' justified?
How is deception defined in the context of the 'truth'.
What strategies can be applied to differentiate between the 'truth' and the many other religious belief systems to avoid being deceived?
As the TTT site will inevitably cause some professing people to doubt their belief: is the doubting of all faiths encouraged? If not, why not ? and if so why?
Thank you" .I honestly fear that by supporting or defending such an individual's position, we are also supporting a typical example of religious sectarianism. Each faith based belief naturally tends to claim their version of the truth as the absolute truth. Yet not one can provide the evidence which proves their truth to be the gold standard. As previously mentioned elsewhere: if an individual believes: that their god sent himself to earth billions of years after he created the world, in the virgin birth, miracles, the resurrection and eternal life: Then on what basis do they negate another's claims that god inspired them to follow his teachings during an interval that was a relatively small lapse of time after his son was on the earth? I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another. I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 11:32:54 GMT -5
His first name isn't George. It's Goodhand. Somebody on this thread gave him the name George P. and it's sounds better and easier name to remember. Haha... If you want your writings to be credible, I suggest you make sure to source the correct person by their correct name and also spell their name correctly. www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/pattisong.php |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 12:16:07 GMT -5
Somebody on this thread gave him the name George P. and it's sounds better and easier name to remember. Haha... If you want your writings to be credible, I suggest you make sure to source the correct person by their correct name and also spell their name correctly. www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/pattisong.php **** Yea, yea I know... I am posting at work and don't have the time to check out his first name again on your TTT website. |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 12:25:35 GMT -5
1) snow wrote: I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another.
I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done. [/quote]
*** You need to read more TTT and her other one website TLT or something like that then you will SEE, put her 2 cents ideas, belief and understanding of things.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 12:42:52 GMT -5
**** Yea, yea I know... I am posting at work and don't have the time to check out his first name again on your TTT website. That's not a good excuse. You would still be better off waiting until you can make sure before you post something incorrect...if you want to improve your credibility, that is. |
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2017 12:52:22 GMT -5
1) snow wrote: I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another. I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done. *** You need to read more TTT and her other one website TLT or something like that then you will SEE, put her 2 cents ideas, belief and understanding of things. [/quote] Okay. |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 13:32:58 GMT -5
**** Yea, yea I know... I am posting at work and don't have the time to check out his first name again on your TTT website. That's not a good excuse. You would still be better off waiting until you can make sure before you post something incorrect...if you want to improve your credibility, that is. ***Yea, right! What a bunch of baloney, it has nothing to do with my credibility. |
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Post by enuf on Aug 31, 2017 13:34:27 GMT -5
We all make mistakes. TMB is not an authorized site of perfection.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 18:20:31 GMT -5
But of course you understand the bible scriptures don't you nathan !!! Like DMG say you wouldn't have the information you have without CherieKropp 's research, also you are quick to use it when it suits your purpose !
Cherie's TTT website just showed William Irvine (ex- Faith Mission preacher), and the early 2x2 workers (who left many Protestant denominations to join William Irvine) beginning of their journey in 1898-1900... William Irvine, the ex- Faith Mission preacher, brought the 2x2 apostolic workers ministry, which founded by John Govan in 1886. William Irvine had many converts, who later left the Faith Mission to join him because they saw things were done not according to scriptures!
John Govan, did not practice what he preached living by Faith. They didn't believe in baptizing their converts, which Jesus taught his apostles to baptize their converts. They didn't have communion or having the bread and wine in their worship services, which are one of the most important part of the Christians services. Two of the most important parts of Jesus teachings, which they didn't have, so William Irvine and many of his converts left the Faith and became what we know as the friends and workers or 2x2s in 1900s.
Another important teaching, which most of the 2x2 early workers did NOT agree with the Faith Mission was non-exclusive or sending their converts back to the churches of their choices.
Well if you don't need CherieKropp's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church ? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views. |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 18:38:16 GMT -5
Nope, I didn't need Cherie Kropp researched at all because I have others church historians such as E. H. Broadbent the Pilgrim Church book, The Ancient Vaudois, Albigenses, Waldenses, Cathars, and many more of the church historians books that I found and read in 1988-9 when I was in the work, before Cherie K. started her TTT website in 1990s.
Cherie's TTT website just showed William Irvine (ex- Faith Mission preacher), and the early 2x2 workers (who left many Protestant denominations to join William Irvine) beginning of their journey in 1898-1900... William Irvine, the ex- Faith Mission preacher, brought the 2x2 apostolic workers ministry, which founded by John Govan in 1886. William Irvine had many converts, who later left the Faith Mission to join him because they saw things were done not according to scriptures!
John Govan, did not practice what he preached living by Faith. They didn't believe in baptizing their converts, which Jesus taught his apostles to baptize their converts. They didn't have communion or having the bread and wine in their worship services, which are one of the most important part of the Christians services. Two of the most important parts of Jesus teachings, which they didn't have, so William Irvine and many of his converts left the Faith and became what we know as the friends and workers or 2x2s in 1900s.
Another important teaching, which most of the 2x2 early workers did NOT agree with the Faith Mission was non-exclusive or sending their converts back to the churches of their choices.
Well if you don't need CherieKropp 's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings!  that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 20:39:09 GMT -5
Critique by Cherie Kropp of pages 517-542 of the book The Apostles' Doctrine & Fellowship - A documentary history of the early church and restorationist movements By Dr. Cornelius J. Jaenen
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 21:03:11 GMT -5
Well if you don't need CherieKropp 's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed ! |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 21:43:04 GMT -5
I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
Nate - can you please stop misquoting Cornelius J. Jaenen. He has in no way positioned himself as "your church 2x2 historian". He wrote a book about "The Apostles' Doctrine and Fellowship" - which is not just "a book about the beginning of our fellowship" He DID NOT conclude that there were churches "who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the says of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries.." In fact he said "I...will confess there was a brief period when I too thought there was an unbroken apostolic succession of ‘workers’ from the first century to our day...There was no unbroken consistent line of ‘workers’ from the first century to our day…but the Spirit was always working in the world to retain faith until Jesus returns. And so there were almost certainly ‘true believers’ in every age and century somewhere, but not in the sense of a constant visible community or fellowship.” (Personal Communication from Cornelius J. Jaenan, Feb. 6, 2007) Source: Telling the Truth In addition, he wrote in his book "In our efforts to trace the continuity of primitive Christian ideals over the centuries, no unbroken successions or continuous activities of a particular identifiable group have been documented.” (p. 535) and “The thesis of a ‘remnant church’ also remains problematical... we have been unable to establish from the documentary sources accessible to us a continuous, unbroken chain of either conventicles [meetings or gatherings] or poor itinerant preachers from the early centuries to the present.” (p. 538) Source: Telling the Truth It astounds me (although it shouldn't) how careless some people in the so-called "Truth" fellowship are with the truth.
Nevertheless, we have NOT discounted entirely the thesis of apostolic succession. We have come to understand it in a different manner than the commonly enunciated dogma. What we can conclude is that those HAS BEEN a chain of witnesses of the apostolic doctrine and fellowship over the CENTURIES! This concept was expressed by Dr. H. L. Martensen, soon to become the primate of Denmark, in a sermon in Feb 5, 1854........
In his conclusion of apostolic succession, of a holy chain from the apostolic age to his days, he made no reference to a continuity of ordinations of an authority transmitted from ordainer to ordained. Rather, the chain consisted of Witnesses, of FINDER of TRUTH in each CENTURY!
*** Cherie K. is NOT telling the WHOLE truth....
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 21:55:21 GMT -5
I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed !
The friends told the workers how much they appreciate reading what I share on TMB.
My time on the Internet is slowing down.... I enjoy getting back to meetings for the last two years.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 22:51:15 GMT -5
nathan are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed !
The friends told the workers how much they appreciate reading what I share on TMB.
My time on the Internet is slowing down.... I enjoy getting back to meetings for the last two years.
all you are doing is trying to justify your own views, remember some of us are 5th generation and know how it works, there is no way the Workers would be okay with you not attending meetings for 20 years just to "answer questions on TMB". |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:12:32 GMT -5
Well, Cornelius wrote more than what Cherie K. posted on her TTT website. I had it all written on my old 2x2 message board, I don't have the time to post it again.... Those who have his book they should continue to read Page 538....
Nevertheless, we have NOT discounted entirely the thesis of apostolic succession. We have come to understand it in a different manner than the commonly enunciated dogma. What we can conclude is that those HAS BEEN a chain of witnesses of the apostolic doctrine and fellowship over the CENTURIES! This concept was expressed by Dr. H. L. Martensen, soon to become the primate of Denmark, in a sermon in Feb 5, 1854........
In his conclusion of apostolic succession, of a holy chain from the apostolic age to his days, he made no reference to a continuity of ordinations of an authority transmitted from ordainer to ordained. Rather, the chain consisted of Witnesses, of FINDER of TRUTH in each CENTURY!
*** Cherie K. is NOT telling the WHOLE truth....
And that is exactly my point. He did not write or conclude (as you wrote) that there were churches or indeed ministers "who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries". So your statement, as it stands, is incorrect and wrong. A so-called "chain of witnesses" is nothing to do with a 2x2 ministry or an apostolic ministry - they are your words and not the words of Cornelius J. He is simply talking about the apostles' doctrine/fellowship of believers and not a 2x2 type ministry. At the very least the reformation occurred 500 years ago. I can list plenty of churches from the reformation until now (including the one I attend) that follow the "apostolic doctrine and fellowship". |
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:17:43 GMT -5
nathan all you are doing is trying to justify your own views, remember some of us are 5th generation and know how it works, there is no way the Workers would be okay with you not attending meetings for 20 years just to "answer questions on TMB".
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...."   that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't.
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:30:58 GMT -5
Well, I am still professing and still posting on TMB. I didn't become an ex-2x2 that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't. The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 1, 2017 1:38:55 GMT -5
The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
She may have listened nathan, but that doesn't mean she agreed ! |
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 1, 2017 1:46:17 GMT -5
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...."
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
That is the part that I find amusing nathan, you are so quick to defend the 2x2 church, yet you didn't attend for 20 years ! Your views on a lot of things are NOT in line with the rest of the 2x2 church the Trinity for example. Your excuse for not going to meeting is exactly that an excuse and a pretty poor one at that ! But you think you can judge other people because they have left the 2x2 church ! |
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Post by matisse on Sept 1, 2017 7:31:46 GMT -5
The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
Nathan, how did you get your hands on sermons from 75 years ago? |
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2017 7:36:14 GMT -5
Yes, they are very HAPPY to see me attend the meetings again and spent less time on TMB. We have sister workers in our field last year and this year again, and I spoke in our Sunday meeting about ONE Godhead is God the Father, Christ the Lord our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit but they are 3 separate supreme beings. Three are One in Unity, One in harmony and Spirit.... The older sister was in the Sunday morning meeting, after the meeting she told me that she appreciated how I explained it and it makes a lot of sense.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
Nathan, how did you get your hands on sermons from 75 years ago?
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2017 9:51:26 GMT -5
That is the part that I find amusing nathan, you are so quick to defend the 2x2 church, yet you didn't attend for 20 years ! Your views on a lot of things are NOT in line with the rest of the 2x2 church the Trinity for example. Your excuse for not going to meeting is exactly that an excuse and a pretty poor one at that ! But you think you can judge other people because they have left the 2x2 church ! Ros - talk about "Judge Judy" - she's nothing compared to "Judge Nate" that we've had on this thread. Nate has damned everyone that's left the 2x2 church to hell and has told us all that our names have been removed from the Lamb's book of life. I've discovered something on this thread - Nate obviously believes that he controls the Lamb's book of life. Anyway, Nate needs to read Matt 7: 1 "Do not judge or you too will be judged..." - he's been doing a lot of judging on this thread. But you've hit the nail on the head. Nate loves the 2x2 church and is its No. 1 adherent - but he didn't go to meetings for 20 years Nate thinks that TTT is rubbish - but he says he's spent 25 years studying it Nate hasn't done a lot of personal research (like going to Ireland/looking at source documents etc) on the 2x2 church - so he regularly quotes TTT - which he thinks is rubbish. **** I try to tell the truth with grace, to educate, to inform, and to sound a trumpet of warnings to people... It's up to the readers to take heed to the warnings. I am just a messenger, so please don't shoot the messeger! |
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Post by snow on Sept 1, 2017 22:34:26 GMT -5
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...."
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
Last I heard you needed to attend meetings in order to profess. Isn't that what it's all about? Going to meetings on Sunday, Wednesday, Gospel Mtgs. and special Meeting and of course at least one a year, convention? I have never heard of anyone being considered as a professing friend if they never attended meetings. |
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that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time. 
that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. 