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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 22, 2017 23:31:43 GMT -5
Nathan in all love I write this to you. You can claim and write anything on here and on your website but only if you are willing for critical peer review will anything you write have any credibility. I repeat ONLY IF YOU ARE WILLING FOR CRITICAL SCRUTINY BY PEER REVIEW. You refer to the 1942 Letter of G. Walker and did not even do the research to verify the true date. That undermines your credibility. You then go on to make assumptions & deductions from that letter and make statements as if it was written in that letter. That undermines your credibility. You then take scrutiny by Cherie and others as personal attack, which undermines your credibility. A true scholar takes critical scrutiny by peers serious and amend their research to align closer to the truth or evidence. Historic facts are an exact account of events. Now you don't have many peers in the field of history research regarding the 2x2's however Cherie surely must be one of the most distinguished peers in that field. I know for sure she takes proof of everything she puts on TTT very seriously through thorough research and she is happy to show the proof. The snippets of history that I have heard as a teenager in the 70's (from the old 75+yo workers) of the first wave of workers to the colonies all line up with Cherie's research. She has done you a favour in reviewing some of your claims here, so IMHO you will do yourself a favour to take her reviews on-board. Thanks, Pa..... I had George Walker exact date letter to Selective Service on my website... I didn't have time to go back to my website and get the exact date when I wrote in haste my post to so and so... so I wrote around 1940s.
Cherie K. and I have exchanged our thoughts on these things about 25 yrs... I have heard so many reviewers on TMB for 25 years already... and I am still listening to what others have to say...
I appreciate Cherie K. history about our fellowship but she is NOT included the 1800 years history of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship existed before William Irvine got involved with the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry from 1893-1900.
Cherie K. agenda is Started with William Irvine in 1897 and that is all SHE wants for the readers to KNOW and Remember when they read on her TTT website.... so this is founded by a man William Irvine and NOT by Jesus Christ or any apostle.
nathan did you even read what pa said !
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Post by pa on Aug 23, 2017 4:16:14 GMT -5
Nathan you did not read my message. Cherie researched the 2x2's ( The Truth, The Way, The Workers and Friends) or whatever you want to call the group's history and her research and info is true to the facts as far as history goes.
Before 1897 there was no group with "overseers, with workers and friends", with "convention grounds", where "workers" were sent to "mission" fields, there was none of that structure. It all developed from 1897 with Irvine. Through the ages there has been many itinerant preachers and people who served the Lord, but never a group with all these unique characteristics and traditions.
Cherie's agenda is to tell the truth as far as history goes for the 2x2's as we knew them today. And we know it goes back to 1897. I put you to the test on just one point, can you find a reference to a convention grounds before 1900?
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Post by nathan on Aug 23, 2017 7:46:18 GMT -5
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- Join George Noory, from Coast to Coast AM, each week, as we explore the amazing and unusual world we live in - Valiant Thor, an off-world visitor who came to the Pentagon in 1957, holds a higher perspective of humanity, as explained by filmmaker Craig Campobasso.
Unlike many other extraterrestrials visiting our planet, Valiant Thor was very photogenic and not camera shy. It was what he had to offer that truly intrigued government officials who invited him to stay. Ultimately, the conditions of his proposal, which would benefit all of humanity, proved too much for the U.S Government to accept. For us, however, it is not too late as discussed in this interview with George Noory.
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1) Top Secret underground military bases in U.S.
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2) Who funded it? The Top Secret black ops governments and U.S military governments.
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3) Vol 1: E.T.'s, U.F.O.'s, and New World Technology, An Overview 1940 to Present. Phil Schenider lecture of him and many others have helped to build 6 under ground U.S. secret military bases.
Listen at 7: 14 In 1990s, There are 131 active military underground bases in United States. 1477 Secret underground tunnels World Wide. Listen at 7:1.... 500 billion dollars budget every year.
Cost 17 billion dollars to built 1 Secret underground base. Couples of them a year. The train underground goes March 2000 MPH..... 11:25 Boring Machine with Laser petrified and melt the rock as smooth coating!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TduPsMYF0ig&ab_channel=ParanormalX
The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They have nuclear powered laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day.
(Note: The September, 1983 issue of Omni (Pg. 80) has a color drawing of 'The Subterrene,' the Los Alamos nuclear-powered tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep underground, by heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock.) The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. There is much hard evidence out there.
The US Government through the NSA,DOD, CIA, DIA, ATF, ONI, US Army, US Marine Corp, FEMA and the DHS has spent in excess of 12 trillion dollars building the massive, covert infrastructure for the coming One World Government and New World Religion over the past 40 years.
There is the Deep Underground Military Base underneath Denver International Airport, which is over 22 miles in diameter and goes down over 8 levels. It's no coincidence that the CIA relocated the headquarters of its domestic division, which is responsible for operations in the United States, from the CIA's Langley headquarters to Denver. Constructed in 1995, the government and politicians were hell bent on building this airport in spite of it ending up vastly over budget.
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A tunnel boring machine (TBM), also known as a "mole", is a machine used to excavate tunnels with a circular cross section through a variety of soil and rock strata. They may also be used for micro-tunneling. They can be designed to bore through anything from hard rock to sand. Tunnel diameters can range from one metre (3.3 ft) (done with micro-TBMs) to 17.6 metres (58 ft) to date.
Tunnels of less than a metre or so in diameter are typically done using trenchless construction methods or horizontal directional drilling rather than TBMs. TBMs can also be designed to excavate non-circular tunnels, including u-shaped or horseshoe and square or rectangular tunnels.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
Tunnel boring machines are used as an alternative to drilling and blasting (D&B) methods in rock and conventional "hand mining" in soil. TBMs have the advantages of limiting the disturbance to the surrounding ground and producing a smooth tunnel wall. This significantly reduces the cost of lining the tunnel, and makes them suitable to use in heavily urbanized areas. The major disadvantage is the upfront cost.
TBMs are expensive to construct, and can be difficult to transport. The longer the tunnel, the less the relative cost of tunnel boring machines versus drill and blast methods. This is because tunneling with TBMs is much more efficient and results in shortened completion times, assuming they operate successfully. Drilling and blasting however remains the preferred method when working through heavily fractured and sheared rock layers.
Here are the pictures of the Boring tunnels machine.
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~~ Two giants UFO space crafts harness or refueling energy from the Sun. From NASA Video in 2012 TWO gigantic UFO space ships hardness energy or the heat from the Sun to fuel their space ships. The sun heat didn't do any damage to their space ships. The ETs have technology way more advance than the humans that the sun heat just bounce right off their space ships.www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHJiuiSAmTA&ab_channel=LiveGravity~~ New Delhi/India: UFO hunting enthusiast Scott C Waring has claimed that he has spotted evidence of a huge UFO, 25 times the size of the Earth, near the Sun. “I caught a giant black orb exiting our sun on SOHO images today. The images are actually from June 27, 2021 but are still seen as current for some unknown reason. The black sphere is over 25X the size of the earth and sits there for a few hours before it shoots away,” the self-proclaimed UFO hunter wrote in the blog ET Database. zeenews.india.com/space/huge-ufo-25-times-the-size-of-earth-spotted-near-sun-claims-ufo-hunting-enthusiast-scott-c-waring-2294746.html2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!"~~ Whoever made those two lists.... they gave us the history in Chronological Order! of different events happened through the centuries to our current days!1) rationalwiki.org/w/images/b/b9/Qanon-map.jpg 2) rationalwiki.org/w/images/9/91/Great-Awakening-map.jpg 3) Trump and his military generals are revealing secrets to the public....www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531 4) Israel’s Former Space Security Chief Claims Aliens Exist, And Trump Knows | NBC News NOW
2,617,823 views Dec 9, 2020 www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo&ab_channel=NBCNews
~~ 10 verses in the Bible which says the Earth is hollow. Read Dan's post and video... Nathan's post on UFO/Space crafts or Chariots of fire in the Old Testament and New Testament. professing.proboards.com/thread/31133/nathan-right?page=12NASA Caught HIDING Something At North Pole! Hollow Earth? 5/20/161) One of the best videos about Hollow earth.
4,301,497 views May 20, 2016 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Kgglzeec&ab_channel=secureteam102) Russian Space Station Footage of The North Pole Opening to Hollow Earth www.dailymotion.com/video/x4shzge3) www.google.com/search?q=video+of+hollow+earth+taken+from+Russian+craft+in+1972&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=NPWC0Gma59Q5aM%252Ckl4DbmaGW1Gt5M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kR0NrTF_pkHyZny7YS0G36icUkWxw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUzPP0l6PyAhVQnJ4KHQ37ANkQ9QF6BAgDEAE#imgrc=NPWC0Gma59Q5aM4) The Earth is NOT Flat but it's Hollow..... Hollow earth and southern lights!5) hollowearthufo.blogspot.com/2009/12/hollow-earth.html6) www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7vt5paORIc&ab_channel=HISTORY Diary of Admiral Byrd entered the inner earth with his Co-pilot After the passing of Admiral Byrd his son found his diary and eventually published it. This is a small excerpt from the book titled, The Missing Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd. By Richard Evelyn Byrd. It is still available at major book retailers.Diary of Richard E. Byrd when he and his co-pilot entered the Hollow Earth, sky, mountains range, green Valleys, stream, animals, manmoth. The Hollow inner earth is NOT SOLID inside as we have been taught in school.www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ybWK61XxOc&ab_channel=Data1B413 Pieces Of Evidence Supporting The Hollow Earth HypothesisAlexander LightSeptember 26, 20151. Is there a hole in the North Pole?
In the early 1970’s, ESSA, a project belonging to the Department of Commerce of the United States, gave media access to images of the North Pole taken by the ESSA-7 satellite on November 23, 1968. One of the photographs showed the North Pole covered by the usual cloud; the other one showed the same area without clouds, revealing a huge hole where the pole was supposed to be located. The hole is so ridiculously large that it almost makes no sense, yet here it is: Personally, I believe that the image was intentionally blackened by NASA, but what could it possibly hide? 2. Vice Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the US Navy was a distinguished pioneer aviator and polar explorer who flew over the North Pole on May 9, 1926 and led numerous expeditions to Antarctica, including a flight over the South Pole on 29 November 1929. Between 1946 and 1947, he and his team carried out a large-scale operation called “High Jump”, during which he discovered and mapped 1,390,000 km² of the Antarctic territory. The famous Byrd expeditions first entered in dispute of the hollow Earth theories when several articles and books like Worlds beyond the Poles by Amadeo Giannini claimed that Byrd had not flown over the Pole but inwardly through large holes leading into the Earth. 3. The possibility that the earth is hollow, and that it can be accessed through the North and South poles, and that secret civilizations flourish within it, has spurred the imagination of people through centuries. humansarefree.com/2015/09/13-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-the-hollow-earth-hypothesis.htmlWe are NOT alone in the Universe!Zionists are actually ANUNNAKI and as such they have an agenda which is as an alien race going back to Enki, Enlil and the whole Sumarian Tablets and work of Zecharia Sitchin…which reveals their involvement here on Earth. Their establishment here on Earth, back in probably 12,000 BC or earlier … of a ‘frequency fence’ in the brains (and DNA) of humanity that has started to break down finally but that 90% of humanity was affected and involves their genetic engineering of the human genome back then to separate our DNA …into junk DNA (to slow our growth)…projectcamelotportal.com/2021/01/16/overview-of-et-intervention-on-planet-earth-2-2/~~ 2020 Gina Colvin from Indiana, USA : Armada or 1000s of giant space crafts entered our world. Watch at 2:22 www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gina+Colvin&&view=detail&mid=730FC8C8275FBE8C47B4730FC8C8275FBE8C47B4&&FORM=VDRVSRHere is the history of the Visitors from other planets to EARTH. UFO EBEN crashed in 1947-48 in Roswell, New Mexico. The exchanged program with EBEN race. The diary of 13 yrs spent with the EBEN.Secret Journey to Planet Serpo: A True Story of Interplanetary Travelby Len KastenDocuments how 12 people, as part of a top-secret U.S. government program, traveled to the planet Serpo and lived there for 13 years• Based on the debriefing of the Serpo team and the diary of the expedition’s commander• Explains how the aliens helped us reverse-engineer their antigravity spacecraft and develop technology to solve our planet-wide energy problems• Reveals how our government has an ongoing relationship with the Serpo aliensOn July 16, 1965, a massive alien spacecraft from the Zeta Reticuli star system landed at the Nevada test site north of Las Vegas. Following a plan set in motion by President Kennedy in 1962, the alien visitors known as the Ebens welcomed 12 astronaut-trained military personnel aboard their craft for the 10-month journey to their home planet, Serpo, 39 light-years away. In November 2005, former and current members of the Defense Intelligence Agency--directed by Kennedy to organize the Serpo exchange program--came forward to reveal the operation, including details from the 3,000-page debriefing of the 7 members of the Serpo team who returned after 13 years on the planet.Working with the DIA originators of the Serpo project and the diary kept by the expedition’s commanding officer, Len Kasten chronicles the complete journey of these cosmic pioneers, including their remarkable stories of life on an alien planet, superluminal space travel, and advanced knowledge of alien technologies. He reveals how the Ebens presented the U.S. with “The Yellow Book”--a complete history of the universe recorded holographically, allowing the reader to view actual scenes from pre-history to the present. He explains how the Ebens helped us reverse-engineer their antigravity spacecraft and develop technology to solve our planet-wide energy problems--knowledge still classified.Exposing the truth of human-alien interaction and interplanetary travel, Kasten reveals not only that the Ebens have returned to Earth eight times but also that our government continues to have an ongoing relationship with them--a relationship with the potential to advance the human race into the future.www.goodreads.com/book/show/16192215-secret-journey-to-planet-serpoEbens (EBE: extraterrestrial biological entity) are non -grey aliens from Zeta Reticuli. They are different from other Greys in Zeta Reticuli. They are so cute, friendly and funny and their skin isn't grey, but a kind of caucasian color, pale blue and maybe others, but not Grey.alien-races-extraterrestrials.blogspot.com/2016/04/ebens-ebes.htmlPrepared byMaurice OsbornThis document is a presentation of the information posted on the website: www.serpo.org regarding a Human/Alien exchange program and other information about other extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth.Here is a picture of the EBEN being.Chapter 3 EXCHANGE TEAMThe Ebens sent back a message indicating they would return to Earth on a particular number date and location that we chose. The date was April 24, 1964 and the location was in the southern sector of White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico. Our Government officials met in secret to plan the event. Decisions were made, then changed and then changed again. We had just about 25 months to plan for the event. Special teams, mostly military, were formed to plan the event.Several months into the planning process, President Kennedy decided to approve a plan to exchange a special military team. The USAF was tasked as the lead agency. The USAF officials picked special civilian scientists to assist in planning and crew selection.The Team Member selection process was the hardest to accomplish. Several plans were suggested in the make-up of the team. It took several months for the planners to decide on criteria for each Team Member. They decided that each Team Member must be military. They must be single, with no children. They must be career military (over four years of service). They must have special skills.Every single record on each Team Member selected was purged, including their Social Security records, Internal Revenue tax returns, medical records, military records, and any other identification records were either destroyed or collected and placed in a special storage location. Originally, about 56,000 files were screened for possible selectees. The screening process finally got down to 12. These were the best of the best. During training, which lasted roughly six months, there were 16 going through training. The four were replacements just in case one of the originals was injured or released for some other reason.Why were only two females taken? If one considers the monumental problem associated with picking a team of 12 people, where each person must be totally erased from the military system – no family ties, no spouses and no children – one can see the difficulty that the selection group had. The selection group picked the best team members from a limited pool of military people.The original selection group picked 158 people. The final 12 were selected from that number. If you consider the psychological, medical and other tests that had to be administered, the final 12 were the best qualified from the original number. Why they chose two females was never written. Apparently, those two females were the best qualified in their individual specialty: a doctor and a linguist.Each Team Member was not identified by name. Once the final 16 were selected, (remember, we had four alternates), each Team Member got a number (three digit). From that point on, they were identified by number only. Even each Team Member identified the others by their three-digit number. They were never to use their real names. Once they left planet Earth and traveled on to Serpo, they gave each other nicknames.For example, the Team Commander was identified as, "Skipper," the medical officers were identified as "Doc-1" and "Doc-2," the pilots were identified as, "Sky-King" and "Flash-Gordon." Even though it wouldn't make any difference if they used their real names on Serpo, they were disciplined enough to continue either using the nicknames or the three-digit numbers. There were two females, one being a doctor and the other being a linguist.For example, the Team Commander was identified as, "Skipper," the medical officers were identified as "Doc-1" and "Doc-2," the pilots were identified as, "Sky-King" and "Flash-Gordon." Even though it wouldn't make any difference if they used their real names on Serpo, they were disciplined enough to continue either using the nicknames or the three-digit numbers. There were two females, one being a doctor and the other being a linguist.RELEASE 14 Team Member CodesTeam Commander 102Assistant Team Commander 203Team Pilot #1 225Team Pilot #2 308Linguist #1 420Linguist #2 475Biologist 518Scientist #1 633Scientist #2 661Doctor #1 700Doctor #2 754Security 899www.serpo.org/release5.phpAfter the extensive selection process, each Team Member had to demonstrate their abilities to endure hardship, which included a battery of psychological tests, medical screenings and a PAT (Positive Attitude Tests which is a military test given to pilots and special forces personnel).www.oocities.org/maurice_osborn/Serpo.htm#Chapter Release 30ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS Crash Land During The DINOSAUR ERA of Earth's Distant Past!(1 July 2008)WORLDWIDE BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVE ... YOU READ IT HERE FIRST! ANONYMOUSprovides details on one of the MOST HIGHLY CLASSIFIED PROJECTS OF ALLTIME: "Operation XXXXX XXXXX": The RECOVERY OF AN ALIEN SPACECRAFT WHICH CRASH LANDED ON EARTH DURING THE DINOSAUR ERA ... SHOCKING … POSITIVELY AMAZING ... BEYOND ALL DISCLOSURE EXPECTATIONS ... LIKE A FIERY BOLT OF AN INCOMING KILLER ASTEROID FROM OUT-OF-THE-BLUE! ...U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E ... BUT 100% TRUE ... A MIND-NUMBING, RIVETING, BREATHTAKING READ!VICTOR: "Operation XXXXX XXXXX": A highly classified, sensitive operation with far-reaching national security implications that took place in 1968. A XXXXX archaeological team uncovered a large metallic object in a remote area of southern XXXXX which is a close NATO ally of ours. The object was believed to be an ALIEN SPACECRAFT that had crashed approximately 200 million years ago [200 MYA] according to the archaeological team.The site subsequently was examined by a USAF Recovery Team, which then put the age of the ALIEN CRAFT at approximately 150 million years ago [150 MYA]. I don't think anyone can give an actual age of the site, but it was somewhere between 150 and 200 MYA, based on the location of where it was found.Our scientists used the ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD employing decaying radioactive isotopes. Sedimentary rock formations and the fact that the object was EMBEDDED INTO THE ROCK were used to estimate the age of the ALIEN CRAFT.The ALIEN CRAFT itself was 45 feet in diameter. The craft was transported to the State of XXXXX and then to the giant XXXXX lab complex in XXXXX and opened. The ALIEN CRAFT contained two (2) highly decomposed ALIEN BODIES and DECAYED ANIMALS, which were apparently abducted by these ALIEN BEINGS. The animals were small DINOSAURS on board the ALIEN CRAFT.The craft was stored at XXXXX and years of intense research were conducted. The last time I checked, the research team ruled OUT the craft being of Eben origin. However, no one could tell where it came from. The ALIEN BODIES were far too decomposed to be thoroughly examined. They were about 5 feet tall and had very large, bulbous heads.To the best of my knowledge, "Operation XXXXX XXXXX" is still an ongoing project. I personally worked on the operation in the early '70s. The instruments from the craft were interesting because they were made of small crystal-like devices, wired together with a form of very fine wire. The ALIEN PROPULSION SYSTEM contained a large chamber with what we called "Rocks" (obviously some form of energy) in the chamber. Large vents placed around the chamber vented some sort of power, radiation or some form of tremendous energy generated through the vents and into the propulsion chamber which enabled interstellar space travel.Examination of the rocks found zinc, and several unknown materials and alloys which we still cannot identify to this day. The "rocks" obviously lost all of their energy over the years. They were NOT radioactive nor did they contain any special properties. We could never power up the ALIEN CRAFT in the nearly 40 years we've had possession of it.We could NOT locate the actual power system and therefore could never operate any of the equipment contained within the craft. However, we did find a "Star Chart." The chart was created from outside of the Earth on the ALIEN HOME WORLD. To this day, we have been UNable to read and decipher the ALIEN STAR CHART. The star chart was of a deep area of space, but our scientists haven't been able to find that specific area of space.Your analogy of our work on "Operation XXXXX XXXXX" and that of transporting an SR-71 Blackbird back to the year 1200 AD was a good one: If we returned 300 years later to the year 1500 AD, little, if anything, could have been learned by our ancestors as to how the Blackbird worked. In much the same way, the amazing, almost majic-like ALIEN TECHNOLOGY on this craft has similarly stumped us; while some progress HAS been made on it since 1968, it's been MINIMAL (partially due to the poor, degraded condition of the ALIEN CRAFT).Because this is an ongoing USG project, I ask that you place "X's" over the critical names and locations [sent in a subsequent e-mail] though you have the correct information. As a brief aside, you may share the blacked out information with Dr XXXXX X XXXXX whose work on past classified USG projects bestows a certain professional courtesy upon him in that he deserves to know the particulars.Victor, I agree with you that the existence of ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS who had already achieved space traveling capabilities zipping around the Milky Way Galaxy (and perhaps others) truly BOGGLES THE MIND. As you wrote me, the Ebens were perhaps still in their "galactic diapers" when these ALIEN BEINGS were already visiting other worlds ~150-200 MYA and Homo Sapiens did not even exist!One can only wonder and speculate where a civilization -- that had already achieved interstellar space travel -- would be at TODAY technologically from 150-200 MYA! How many star systems have they visited by now? How many other alien civilizations have they made successful contact and interacted with, and perhaps carry on some sort of trade with? How many solar systems have they visited and mapped out in our Milky Way Galaxy and perhaps those of OTHER galaxies?One also has to consider the POSSIBILITY that rather than this crash having occurred in OUR timeline of 150-200 MYA, these ALIEN BEINGS traveled to Earth from the FUTURE to our distant PAST -- when DINOSAURS ruled -- as part of a research mission ... THAT also BOGGLES the mind!www.serpo.org/release30.phpWho Killed President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas 1963?Published on Nov 19, 2014 (3.5 Millions viewers!) VERY interesting history information... Wars is a profitable business! Who, How & Why of the JFK assassination. The names of 20 men who planned JFK assassination (at 1:35.00) It took 8 gun men to kill President Kennedy. Taken from an historical perspective starting around world war I, II leading to 9/11 and the present day. We hope after watching this video you will know more about what happened in the past and how the world is run today.www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAe4ucKmx2A&list=PLREvLJVeMmCmbm5WtU-9ags-t3ikP6oBZ~~ ETs/President Kennedy by Maurice Osborn 2002. History of the UFO crashed in Roswell, 1947. (10:00) 31/2 feet tall ET/Grey human. no sex organ. Larger brain/head than humans. Small mouth/nose/ear, no heart, no lung, etc... Only One large organ function as the heart and lung. They are clones. They are highly advance artificial Intelligent beings. One The Pleiades blond hair/blue eyes human looking aliens species warned the President Eisenhower about the Greys intention taken over the world. (At 023:00) President Kennedy was going to deliver a speech on the existence of ALIENS to American public in 1963 before his assassination. President Kennedy wrote in his speech: "WE are NOT alone. God in His infinite wisdom had populated His Universe with other beings from other planets, such as ourselves." More details of President Kennedy letter at (40:00)www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYpRsWvylE Personal Biography Maurice Osborn the person who did all the research on ET's presence on earth. He wrote many books on ETs. "I awoke one morning to find that I had a bloody nose. While attempting to blow out whatever was causing the bleeding, a small capsule was expelled into the sink and then it fell down the drain. I immediately realized that these were symptoms of an alien abduction experience from my many years of research. I underwent regression therapy where I recalled the abduction experience by gray-skinned, large headed beings with big black eyes."www.smashwords.com/profile/view/MauriceOsbornBy Max CanardThe Daily Dose APR 01 2016True Story How I Faked the Apollo Moon LandingIn this exclusive OZY confession, 81-year-old former Hollywood cameraman Max Canard comes clean about his role in what could be the greatest hoax ever carried out: the Apollo moon landing. I first walked on the moon in the summer of 1965 — four full years ahead of Neil Armstrong. Of course, neither I nor the Apollo boys really set foot on the moon, but I suppose many of you suspected as much already.I’m not proud of it. Of the deception, that is. As they say, one small lie for man, one giant fraud perpetrated on mankind. Impossible? Well, you saw Argo, right? You saw the lengths to which the CIA was willing to go in order to rescue a handful of U.S. diplomats. Shooting a fake movie was all we were really doing, too. Except that we weren’t doing it just to save six American lives in Tehran. We wanted to save all 200 million. Call it a massive fraud; call it a government-run conspiracy — whatever. The Apollo moon landings, in this humble 81-year-old’s opinion, were a public relations coup that accomplished nothing less than winning the Cold War. Period. Not bad for some celluloid and a soundstage — purchased, I might add, at about one-millionth of NASA’s overall Apollo budget.And speaking of soundstages, no moon landing was ever filmed in a Hollywood studio. That much is true. They were filmed in North London. How do I know? I was the one holding the camera. Meeting Stanley Kubrick.You can read the REST of the article at the below link.www.ozy.com/true-story/how-i-faked-the-apollo-moon-landing/68714~ Posted 6/2018 An intelligent briefing/information was given to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus is the Visitor from Venus planet. Then the President Jimmy Carter said " So HOW do we TELL the people that? " listen at 1hr: 47www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsooSEX SLAVES Freed from ET Dulce NM Base-Article by Jailed Rescue Team Capt. Mark Richards, Radio Interview of wife Jo Ann Richards by Enki July 14, 2017Under secret Presidential Order, signed by President Jimmy Carter, the NSA’s Department Z, the newly established DELTA FORCE, and a specially hand-picked group of Air Force SOC, Navy SEAL, and Army Rangers were organized for a mission so secret that not even command officers were told what it was about until the night of the attack.enkispeaks.com/sex-slaves-freed-from-et-dulce-nm-base-article-by-jailed-rescue-team-capt-mark-richards-radio-interview-of-wife-joanne-richards/Christ and Valiant Thor are from Interior planet of Venus...professing.proboards.com/thread/27506/christ-interior-planet-venus?page=1&scrollTo=814796Ancient Aliens: Is "Star Trek" Real? (S11, E8) | History Channel 5 min. long video.www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2YDZS7d7IVERY fascinating indeed. There was an episode about Valiant Thor from Interior planet Venus on Ancient Aliens. The Mysterious Nine on History Channel... listen at 24:54 www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d9rxcPyi10Published on Jan 18, 2017Pastor/Dr. Stranges lecture on Kona, Hawaii in 2007 on meeting Valiant Thor in 1959 during Eisenhower as the President and Nixon as the vice president. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk47O2-_eRc&t=3199sDr Steven Greer talks about different Extraterrestrial Beings that exists as far we know. Potentially there are millions or billions of these species out there.www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTlzSCGRNDkBEST OF DISCLOSURE of UFO and E.T. with Dr. Steven Greer in 2001 (TIME). Many U.S. ex-government officials revealed their experiences. listen at 138:00 The U.S. gov't has cataloged 57 different E.T. species/races have visited earth in 1989.www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrcG7VGgQUDr. Steven Greer - Nov. 21, 2015 - How the Secret Government Works: The Most Explosive Expose NSA, Secret space gov't - History Information back to WW II, E.T. Foo Fighters, Manhattan project. History of UFO crashed at Roswell, New Mexico 1947, why they killed Marilyn Monroe, John and Robert Kennedy (listen at 45:00 Min.) even some of the Presidents don't know about... A MUST listen information. Incredible, Amazing U.S. history that we don't learn in High School or at College/University.www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxGQjirV-cThis 4 hour workshop will include:Published on Nov 23, 2015Dr. Greer has been involved in the highest levels of governments and military for over 25 years and will share what he has learned on the who, what, where and why of UFO secrecy, the deep transnational security state and the constellation of illegal projects that are currently operating.Join the founder of the global Disclosure movement, Dr. Steven Greer, in Washington D.C. for a unique opportunity to listen to the most comprehensive and explosive expose of UFO secrecy ever presented!- How is secrecy maintained through the hybrid of corporate and government programs?- Which military bases and facilities and which corporations are involved in this secrecy?- How is black-budget and criminal activity funding these operations?- The Connection between the global financial system, UFO technology, drug running and covert military airspace and bases.- Where are the key Underground Bases (UGBs) and how are they connected via subterranean tunnels?- Who has been involved in managing this secrecy and how is the entity (MAJIC) controlled and operated?- How do Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAPs) operate and how are they kept secret from the people, the President and Congress?- The History of UFO secrecy since WWII and how it has devolved into its own illegal transnational cartel.- See explosive documents on secrecy, how human military-controlled "Abductions" are "stage-crafted" - and what is the agenda for this Deception.- What is the future agenda for the cartel managing UFO secrecy - and how you need to prepare for this future!- The Planned Cosmic 911 Deception - What you NEED to know!Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 "The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heavenlies and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth."
"She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm~~ In 1957 President Eisenhower asked Val. Thor, "Which planet are you from?" He said, "I am from the planet your Bible calls the Bright and Morning Star." President said, "You mean the planet Venus." Val said, "Yes, sir."
2000 yrs ago, Jesus revealed to John the apostle and to all of the believers in Christ, where is from and living at the time, the Planet Venus in Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.India flying space crafts MANY Centuries ago! In 1875, the Vaimanika Shastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity." The Vaimanika Shastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vimanas/esp_vimanas_9.htmHalf of humans believe in alien life, study says By Amanda Woods December 8, 2017 Nearly half of Earthlings believe that we aren’t alone in the universe — and want to make contact with alien life, according to a new study. The findings of the survey — conducted in 24 countries by research group Glocalities — showed that 47 percent of the survey’s 26,000 respondents believe “in the existence of intelligent alien civilizations in the universe.” And 61 percent responded “yes” when asked if they believe in “some form of life on other planets.” Among those who believe humans aren’t alone in the universe, 60 percent said we should try to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. Only a quarter of survey-takers said they don’t think intelligent life exists beyond Earth. nypost.com/2017/12/08/half-of-humans-believe-in-alien-life-study-says/Question: "What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?"
Answer: The different terms used in the Bible for heaven and hell—sheol, hades, gehenna, the lake of fire, paradise, and Abraham’s bosom—are the subject of much debate and can be confusing. The word paradise is used as a synonym for heaven (2 Corinthians 12:3–4; Revelation 2:7). When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used paradise as a synonym for heaven, and the word has come to be associated with any place of ideal loveliness and delight. Abraham’s bosom is referred to only once in the Bible—in the story of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31). Abraham’s bosom was used in the Talmud as a synonym for heaven. The image in the story is of Lazarus reclining at a table leaning on Abraham’s breast—as John leaned on Jesus’ breast at the Last Supper—at the heavenly banquet. The point of the story is that wicked men will see the righteous in a happy state, while they themselves are in torment, and that a “great gulf” that can never be spanned exists between them (Luke 16:26). Abraham’s bosom is obviously a place of peace, rest, and joy—in other words, paradise. In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent to sheol is hades, which is also a general reference to “the place of the dead.” The Greek word gehenna is used in the New Testament for “hell” and is derived from the Hebrew word hinnom. Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicated that sheol/hades is a temporary place where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection. The souls of the righteous, at death, go directly into the presence of God—the part of sheol called “heaven,” “paradise,” or “Abraham’s bosom” (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23).
The lake of fire, mentioned only in Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, 14-15, is the final hell, the place of eternal punishment for all unrepentant rebels, both angelic and human (Matthew 25:41). It is described as a place of burning sulfur, and those in it experience eternal, unspeakable agony of an unrelenting nature (Luke 16:24; Mark 9:45-46). Those who have rejected Christ and are in the temporary abode of the dead in hades/sheol have the lake of fire as their final destination. But those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life should have no fear of this terrible fate. By faith in Christ and His blood shed on the cross for our sins, we are destined to live eternally in the presence of God.
www.gotquestions.org/sheol-hades-hell.html~~ Question: Why is the idea of eternal damnation so repulsive to many people? Answer: In the shifting winds of modern cultures, the idea of everlasting torment and damnation is difficult for many people to grasp. Why is this? The Bible makes it clear that hell is a literal place. Christ spoke more about hell than He did of heaven. Not only Satan and his minions will be punished there; everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will spend eternity right along with them. A desire to reject or revise the doctrine of hell will not mitigate its flames or make the place go away. Still, the idea of eternal damnation is spurned by many, and here are some reasons for it: The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come. Fear. Never-ending, conscious punishment devoid of any hope is indeed a frightening prospect. Many people would rather ignore the source of fear than face it and deal with it biblically. The fact is, hell should be frightening, considering it is the place of judgment originally created for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18). A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture. Of course, it is usually our own sin that we downplay; other people might deserve hell—murderers and the like. This attitude reveals a misunderstanding of the universally heinous nature of sin. The problem is an insistence on our own basic goodness, which precludes thoughts of a fiery judgment and denies the truth of Romans 3:10 (“There is no one righteous, not even one”). The egregiousness of iniquity compelled Christ to the cross. God hated sin to death. Aberrant theories. Another reason people reject the concept of eternal damnation is that they have been taught alternative theories. One such theory is universalism, which says that everyone will eventually make it to heaven. Another theory is annihilationism, in which the existence of hell is acknowledged, but its eternal nature is denied. Annihilationists believe that those who end up in hell will eventually die and cease to exist (i.e., they will be annihilated). This theory simply makes hell a temporary punishment. Both these theories are presented as viable options to the biblical teaching on hell; however, both make the mistake of placing human opinion over divine revelation.Incomplete teaching. Many contemporary pastors who do believe in the doctrine of hell consider it simply too delicate a subject to preach on. This further contributes to the modern denial of hell. Congregants in churches where hell is not preached are ignorant of what the Bible says on the subject and are prime candidates for deception on the issue. A pastor’s responsibility is “to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 1:3), not pick and choose what parts of the Bible to leave out. Satan’s ploys. Satan’s first lie was a denial of judgment. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent told Eve, “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). It is still one of Satan’s main tactics. “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the blindness he produces includes a denial of God’s holy decrees. Convince the unsaved that there is no judgment, and they can “eat, drink and be merry” with no care for the future. If we understand the nature of our Creator, we should have no difficulty understanding the concept of hell. “[God] is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4, emphasis added). His desire is that no one perish but that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.” The problem with such a mindset is its inherent pride—it smugly suggests that we can improve on God’s plan. However, we are not wiser than God; we are not more loving or more just. Rejecting or revising the biblical doctrine of hell carries a sad irony, which one writer put this way: “The only result of attempts, however well meaning, to air-condition hell is to assure that more and more people wind up there.” www.gotquestions.org/eternal-damnation.html~~ Question: What is Gehenna?
Answer: The word gehenna is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew ge-hinnom, meaning “Valley of [the sons of] Hinnom.” This valley south of Jerusalem was where some of the ancient Israelites “passed children through the fire” (sacrificed their children) to the Canaanite god Molech (2 Chronicles 28:3; 33:6; Jeremiah 7:31; 19:2–6). The place is called “Tophet” in Isaiah 30:33. In later years, Gehenna continued to be an unclean place used for burning trash from the city of Jerusalem. Jesus used Gehenna as an illustration of hell.God so despised the false god Molech that He explicitly forbade the Israelites from having anything to do with him in Leviticus 18:21. He even warned them of the impending judgment He would send their way if the Jews didn’t keep their attention and worship directed toward Him. In another prophetic warning, God re-named the Valley of Hinnom as the Valley of Slaughter (Jeremiah 19).But the Israelites didn’t listen, and evil kings of Judah such as Ahaz used the Valley of Hinnom for their demonic practices (2 Chronicles 28:3). To punish Judah, God brought Babylon against them, and that pagan nation carried out His judgment against Judah’s idolatry and rebellion. It wasn’t until after 70 years of exile that the Jews were allowed back into Israel to rebuild. Upon their return the Valley of Slaughter was re-purposed from a place of infanticide to an ever-burning rubbish heap (2 Kings 23:10). Child sacrifice and other forms of idol-worship ceased in Israel. Gehenna became a place where corpses of criminals, dead animals, and all manners of refuse were thrown to be destroyed.The Gehenna Valley was thus a place of burning sewage, burning flesh, and garbage. Maggots and worms crawled through the waste, and the smoke smelled strong and sickening (Isaiah 30:33). It was a place utterly filthy, disgusting, and repulsive to the nose and eyes. Gehenna presented such a vivid image that Christ used it as a symbolic depiction of hell: a place of eternal torment and constant uncleanness, where the fires never ceased burning and the worms never stopped crawling (Matthew 10:28; Mark 9:47–48). Because of Jesus’ symbolic use of Gehenna, the word gehenna is sometimes used as a synonym for hell. In fact, that’s how the Greek word is translated in Mark 9:47: “hell.” The occupants of the lake of fire/gehenna/hell are separated from God for all of eternity. www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.html~~ These eight verses describe the descent of Christ into the Limbo (also known as Abraham’s Bosom) Hell/Hades, realm of the dead to set FREE the Old Testament believers souls STUCK there. Read Luke 16.
Paul teaches us in Ephesians 4:9 that Christ our Lord descended into Hell after He offered His life on the cross. “Now that He ascended, what is it, but because He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?” Note here that Hell is described as having “parts” that is the four parts of Hell. Peter said in Acts 2:24 that “God hath raised up Christ, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that He should be holden by it.” Christ loosed the Old Testament saints from hell.
Peter also wrote in 1 Peter 3:19 that “Christ coming in spirit preached to those spirits that were in prison, which had some time been incredulous.” On this verse, Saint Athanasius says that “Christ’s body was laid in the sepulchre when He went to preach to those spirits who were in bondage, as Peter said.” (Ep. ad Epict.) The prophet Hosea foretold the descent of Christ into Hell in Hosea 13:14 by placing these words into the mouth of the Messiah: “O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite.”
Zechariah foretells the redemption of those in the Limbo of the Fathers in Zech 9:11: “Thou also by the blood of Thy Testament hast sent forth Thy prisoners out of the pit.” What could this mean except that the Messiah would free people from the underworld? Colossians 2:15: “Despoiling the principalities and powers, He hath exposed them confidently.” This refers to Christ’s victory over the condemned angels who are the demons of Hell. Psalm 23:7: “Lift up your gates, O ye princes,” which the medieval Gloss interprets: “that is–Ye princes of hell, take away your power, whereby hitherto you held men fast in hell”.
In Ecclesiasticus 24:45, Siracides (author of Sirach) prophecies: “I will penetrate to all the lower parts of the earth.” taylormarshall.com/2012/04/8-bible-verses-on-christs-descent-into.html#:~:text=These%20eight%20verses%20describe%20the%20descent%20of%20Christ,first%20into%20the%20lower%20parts%20of%20the%20earth%3F%E2%80%9D ~~ The Lake of fire is MUCH worse than Hell/Hades the Realm of the death on earth. Jude 6-7 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2017 11:52:21 GMT -5
Nathan, if you are still saying the Waldesians had anything to do with William Irvine's group you are ignoring many things. There have been Gnostic groups around all throughout history and yes, some of them were similar in beliefs to the 2x2's. The Cathars were also similar in that they went out 2x2 etc. But all these groups also had other things that definitely do not line up with the 2x2's beliefs or actions. Just because they had a few things similar doesn't make them an unbroken line of workers back to the shores of Galilee. You ignore the things that don't line up though. Just saying.
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Post by pa on Aug 23, 2017 16:14:24 GMT -5
Nathan, Cherie's website is about the History of the 2x2's as we know them today. This is here heading on the TTT website, the mission statement of the website. "Welcome to TellingTheTruth .info
This website is the largest internet collection of historical documents for the:
Church without a Name, Two by Twos, 2x2s, workers, friends, friends and workers fellowship,
Christian Conventions, Cooneyites, Assemblies of Christians, Testimony of Jesus, No Name Church
home church, the truth, the way, the fold, the fellowship, meetings, conventions,
undenominational, nondenominational, testimony, gospel, Hymns Old & New,
Go Preachers, Tramp Preachers, Dippers, Black Stockings, Jesus Way"
So it's about the history and documenting it.
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Post by nathan on Aug 23, 2017 19:43:52 GMT -5
1) Fixit wrote: Where in the bible does it talk about people going to Venus? ~~ Nathan: I showed it to you for over 10 years already in the book of Revelation.
1) Rev. 22:16 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 2) Rev. 2:26-28 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. 3) Rev. 6:10-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 4) Rev. 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. The Bright and Morning Star is the Planet Venus! Jesus is from Venus Planet the Bright and Morning Star.
Most scholars believe (and I tend to agree) that this is a reference to Venus, perhaps the brightest light in our sky next to the sun. Venus is one of the most recognizable planets in the sky, visible with the naked eye, even when the sun has risen. Though not a star, early astronomers referred to Venus as “the morning star” because it typically appeared in the western sky around 4:00am just prior to the sunrise. In Numbers 24:17, the prophet Balaam was prophesying, and he said of Jesus, “A star shall come forth from Jacob, A scepter shall rise from Israel,” At the birth of his son, John (the baptist), Zechariah sang a song wherein he said of Jesus, “because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven” (Luke 1:78). damonjgray.medium.com/jesus-the-bright-morning-star-b8bdb129b5c0 ~~ Armada 100s of space ships above the heaven and mother ship cloaking off and on in our sky.
Gina Colvin has some of the amazing Space ships and UFO crafts that someone sent to her and she got some herself in the back yard of her home. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gina+Colvin&docid=14057380207553&mid=D6A226296AD80F76F4CDD6A226296AD80F76F4CD&view=detail&FORM=VIREMore interesting Space ships... www.bing.com/search?q=Gina+Colvin&cvid=db78919deca042109b458f28120e82a5&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531Jorge Mario Bergoglio may just be the final man to claim the papacy before the utter destruction of Rome—at least according to St. Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes.
St. Malachy was an Irish bishop in the 12th century. The first native-born Irishman to be canonized, he is known in the Roman Catholic Church for his work as a healer, a miracle worker, and as a reformer of the Church in Ireland. But what he is most known for today is prophecy. St. Malachy was summoned to Rome in 1139 by Pope Innocent II, and while there, he experienced a vision of future popes, which he then recorded as a series of short phrases. This transcript was then placed into the Vatican Secret Archives, where it lay until 1590. First published in 1595 by Arnold de Wyon, a Benedictine monk, Malachy’s prophecy consists of 112 short Latin descriptions of future popes. Each of these descriptions identifies one outstanding trait for each of these future popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II, who was elected in 1130. This list stretches all the way from the time of St. Malachy to the present, describing, among many others, Pope John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and finally, Pope Francis. In many ways, these descriptions were uncannily accurate, and so have led to hundreds of years of speculation that this prophecy might just be real, but the real draw of the Prophecy of the Popes is the cataclysm predicted at the end—and the idea that the current pope may be the last before that disaster occurs.The final of the 112 Latin entries of the prophecy reads as follows. www.bing.com/search?q=The+monk+prediction+of+Pope+Francis+had+a+short+reign&form=ANNTH1&refig=a72af622f52941de9eadba1fec99c2e2&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=the+monk+prediction+of+pope+francis+had+&sc=0-40&qs=n&sk=&cvid=a72af622f52941de9eadba1fec99c2e2What does the Bible say about foot-washing?
In Bible times, the dusty and dirty conditions of the region and the wearing of sandals necessitated foot-washing. Although the disciples most likely would have been happy to wash Jesus’ feet, they could not conceive of washing each other’s feet. This was because in the society of the time, foot-washing was reserved for the lowliest of menial servants. Peers did not wash one another’s feet, except very rarely and as a mark of great love. Luke points out (22:24) that the disciples were arguing about who was the greatest among them, an attitude that precludes a willingness to stoop to wash feet. When Jesus moved to wash their feet (see also John 13:1-16), they were shocked . His actions serve also as symbolic of spiritual cleansing (vs. 6-9) and a model of Christian humility (vs. 12-17). By washing His disciples’ feet, Jesus taught the lesson of selfless service that was supremely exemplified by His death on the cross.The foot-washing was an example, a pattern. Many groups throughout church history have practiced literal foot-washing as a church ordinance. However, present culture in many lands does not call for washing dust from the feet of one’s guests. Although the Lord’s Supper was practiced, the early church apparently did not practice foot-washing as an ordinance in church gatherings. This passage emphasizes inner humility, not a physical rite. A Christian widow’s practice of "washing the feet of the saints" (1 Timothy 5:10) speaks not of her involvement in a church ordinance but of her humble, slave-like service to other believers. To refuse to follow the example of Jesus is to exalt oneself above Him and to live in pride. “No servant is greater than his master” (John 13:16). www.gotquestions.org/foot-washing.html
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Post by nathan on Aug 23, 2017 19:46:23 GMT -5
Arrival and Indoctrination I was first stationed at Area 51, Nevada, Jan. 28, 1971 through 1982. In that period of service I visited the Hollow Interior of the Earth six times, 800 miles deep. Upon my arrival to Area 51 I was indoctrinated to the existence of tunnels beneath Area 51, and soon after I met several of the Underground Shuttle Operators that have a stature of 13 to 14 feet in height. These tunnels, that transverse the world, are built by a species of beings who have existed here before we, a very long time. Immediately on my arrival to Area 51, I was made aware of the tunnels and all the workings of the facility itself. They told me that the first 15 levels of the Area 51 facility were man made; that Levels 16-27 were already there. Nobody from our government made them. We were just facilitating them. The Tunnels and Shuttles
The Walls of the Tunnels are very smooth. If you were to pull a hollow tube through a ball of clay you can get an idea of how smooth. The walls have what is likened to a marble finish, which are made of a metal substance, impenetrable; the surface of the walls cannot be penetrated even by a diamond drill nor will a laser penetrate the surface. Remember there was a time when we used to see troop movements from point A to B on the Earth's surface, continually. It was not that long ago. Now, you rarely see this. Now they use tunnels to move all these troops at long distances. The tunnels are wide enough to drive two, 18 foot wheelers side by side. Stemming from Area 51, one shuttle goes out to the Pacific Ocean - 350 miles due west of Monterey - where there is a pyramid; another shuttle goes to the Cheyenne Mountain facility The length of a large shuttle machine is approx 1/4 mile long. Interior inhabitants make use of these machines - a huge vessel for moving large numbers of people/beings/whatever quickly. The smaller shuttle is 50-60 feet in length, this was the kind I was in. The speed of the shuttles is faster than the speed of sound, they can travel from Area 51 to the main interior of the Earth in less than 10 Earth minutes. In 5-6 minutes you are there.The material used to make the shuttles is the same substance that made up the skin of the spacecraft at Roswell. The shuttles run on electromagnetic power using the Earth's grid line. The operators who I mentioned earlier who are of a stature of 13-14 ft. in height, look like us in their appearance but much more highly evolved, and speak through telepathy. The men have beards or not, and the women's skin is flawless, indeed having a perfect clear complexion. Their expression for Humans is one of concern for Us - as they see where we Humans are headed. There are seven civilizations residing in the Inner Earth - which are governed by the principles of harmony. They understand and they speak all languages of the earth. Their understanding of medical knowledge is phenomenal. The people of the interior were very free with showing me around, very articulate in showing you what is exactly going on - they do not hold anything back. They always ask permission when working with Nature, they ask the plants for permission before consuming them or cutting them down, they ask the Mother Earth before they build on it, and do so build with the lay of the land which best suits their environment, a practice similar to the American Indians; therefore seeking to preserve a harmonious state at all times; wanting to be one with Nature at all times; they are more spiritually advanced than surface dwellers and greatly respect Mother Earth. The atmosphere is crystal clear, as a rule there are at times clouds, but nothing like rain clouds. The temperature is a constant 73 degrees. The people in the interior speak directly with the animals, and the animals speak directly to the people of the interior. zorraofhollowearth.com/billie-faye-woodard-story2) Billie Faye Woodard (Zaraya) My father, Zorra, is a Hollow Earth scientist who has made 150,000 trips around the sun. My sister and myself are originally from the Hollow Earth. Our true parents and family live in Hollow Earth. When our adopted father took us in his adopted children we spoke a language unknown to any surface culture. One of the remarkable thing that makes Billie different from us here on the surface is that unlike us he does not have a blood type. His blood is different. It seems the composition of his blood is more advanced in the sense that any virus and or bacteria that was tested in the laboratory of the US Military could not infect his blood. Instead the virus and the bacteria died for some unknown reason when mixed with own his blood on a petri dish; and this was observed by doctors with their own microscope. Billie also does not have any fingerprints. All of his fingers does not have any skin threads that we associate as "human fingerprints". And the other thing, Billie has two hearts operating simultaneously. Zorra appeared and helped his child remember the past and get him back in line to what his original mission for coming to the surface. Zorra used his own aeroship to come to the surface but for us we call it UFO. zorraofhollowearth.com/zorra-zarayas-info Our missionOur purpose is to bring the truth and reality that our earth is hollow and that there are civilizations living within the earth's crust and hollow interior. The beings in the inner and hollow earth live in total peace and harmony. They are highly evolved sentient beings. Through the teachings and messages from Zorra of Hollow Earth and his child, Zaraya or better known on earth as (Retired Col. Billie Faye Woodard) we learn that we are healers and in reality we are gods and goddesses. Emphasis on meditation and raising vibration and consciousness levels are necessary practices to spiritual evolution. Zorra is here to enlighten our world of the upcoming historic world and cosmic events of Disclosure, Ascension and the Gathering that are in our future. Presently, Disclosure is imminent. What a wondrous, glorious and loving day it is! zorraofhollowearth.com/ Here are the names of people who had entered the Inner Hollow earth for hundreds of years.... Welcome! World Top Secret: Our Earth IS Hollow!
Could the earth, moon, planets and stars all be hollow bodies? Amazingly, the answer is Yes!And very likely inhabited within! What is Our Hollow Earth like? It is a terrestrial paradise, ...where the original Garden of Eden is located today ...where the Lost Tribes of Israel live ...where the Political Kingdom of God is located ...where the Lost Viking Colonies of Greenland migrated to ...where vanquished Germans escaped to after World War II ...where flying saucers come from ...where people live to be hundreds of years old in perfect health ...where peace and prosperity exists for everyone ...where a real life Jurassic Park exists with exotic animals www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/index.html
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2017 12:27:33 GMT -5
Nathan, Cherie's website is about the History of the 2x2's as we know them today. This is here heading on the TTT website, the mission statement of the website. "Welcome to TellingTheTruth .info This website is the largest internet collection of historical documents for the: Church without a Name, Two by Twos, 2x2s, workers, friends, friends and workers fellowship, Christian Conventions, Cooneyites, Assemblies of Christians, Testimony of Jesus, No Name Church home church, the truth, the way, the fold, the fellowship, meetings, conventions, undenominational, nondenominational, testimony, gospel, Hymns Old & New, Go Preachers, Tramp Preachers, Dippers, Black Stockings, Jesus Way" So it's about the history and documenting it. Cherie is an ex-2x2 member.... Telling the Truth is an ex-2x2 website and information coming from an EX-2x2 member. The documents coming from an ex-2x2 with a twist of her own mind.... Do you think an ex-2x2 is going to promote a Pro-2x2 information? It doesn't look like is a website Pro- or upholding a 2x2 fellowship when we study carefully her TTT website information.
READ the TTT website with Caution! VERY slippery.... down into the abyss... I have studied the TTT website over 25 years.
Nathan, Cherie posts what she finds. You can't shoot the messenger just because there is stuff she has found that you don't like. I think she has done this quite well, trying to keep as neutral as possible. She has put a huge amount of time and effort into compiling the history of the group. She has done a great job imo.
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2017 17:16:26 GMT -5
Cherie is an ex-2x2 member.... Telling the Truth is an ex-2x2 website and information coming from an EX-2x2 member. The documents coming from an ex-2x2 with a twist of her own mind.... Do you think an ex-2x2 is going to promote a Pro-2x2 information? It doesn't look like is a website Pro- or upholding a 2x2 fellowship when we study carefully her TTT website information.
READ the TTT website with Caution! VERY slippery.... down into the abyss... I have studied the TTT website over 25 years.
Nathan, Cherie posts what she finds. You can't shoot the messenger just because there is stuff she has found that you don't like. I think she has done this quite well, trying to keep as neutral as possible. She has put a huge amount of time and effort into compiling the history of the group. She has done a great job imo. I don't need to shoot down the messenger, most of the workers and the friends already KNOW what kind a messenger she is and things will take care and work itself out... We have seen the damage by the numbers of the friends LEFT results of Cherie K. TTT website has done to our 2x2 fellowship the last 30 years. Yes, she is a collector of things, history according to what she believes, and gathering information from those who believe like her.
The beginning of the great falling away and the 2x2 exodus before Jesus returns... Paul wrote in I Thess 2:1-12
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction....
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
~~ Cherie K. TTT website and others ex-2x2 books (the Secret Sect, Has the truth set you Free? The church without a name and so on..... help to fulfill the scriptures in the last days and usher Jesus returns.
Paul wrote in II Timothy 3:1-8 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 24, 2017 17:48:21 GMT -5
Yeah, right, sure, make excuses. A lie is a lie is a lie. No lie is of the truth.
However, if the workers hadn't lied about the beginning, and covered up Wm Irvine, the Friends would not be leaving in droves from being betrayed and deceived. So they are to blame, as it is their lies that contributed considerably to the "falling away" from their man made system/church.
The authors of the books you mentioned are merely TRUTHBUSTERS!
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2017 18:15:54 GMT -5
Yeah, right, sure, make excuses. A lie is a lie is a lie. No lie is of the truth. However, if the workers hadn't lied about the beginning, and covered up Wm Irvine, the Friends would not be leaving in droves from being betrayed and deceived. So they are to blame, as it is their lies that contributed considerably to the "falling away" from their man made system/church. The authors of the books you mentioned are merely TRUTHBUSTERS!
They are NOT the truth busters! but they have been deceived and didn't KNOW it! I have read their books! and found many false things in their books. I wish I had those books now, so I can go through them and point out the errors that I found.
If people have your mindset William Irvine founded 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship in 1897 then the 2x2s is a LIE, LIE... but if you look at a BIGGER picture of things beyond William Irvine, then the readers will see your mindset and those think like you are BUSTED...
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Post by nathan on Aug 24, 2017 20:34:29 GMT -5
They are NOT the truth busters! but they have been deceived and didn't KNOW it! I have read their books! and found many false things in their books. I wish I had those books now, so I can go through them and point out the errors that I found.
If people have your mindset William Irvine founded 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship in 1897 then the 2x2s is a LIE, LIE... but if you look at a BIGGER picture of things beyond William Irvine, then the readers will see your mindset and those think like you are BUSTED...
Nate - you've got a senior New Zealand worker on TMB saying that your fellowship started in the late 1800's by William Irvine and a group of men. He obviously believes that the fellowship has been modelled on the NT church which at least is a reasonable argument, even though others might disagree. But to try and concoct some kind of apostolic succession line from Paul to the 2x2 workers via the Vaudois/Waldensians etc is completely fanciful and errant. I guess at least one person in the world believes it - you! NathanB: No, I have a second Witness. I believe Whathat hits the nail right on the head! This is what I have been trying to say for 25 years.~~ 2/7/2014 Whathat, an ex-2x2 wrote on the Truth Message Board. "Interestingly, there is a picture of ALL the Faith Mission pilgrims/preachers as of 1892, standing in our rows like the 2x2 workers picture, and at their feet is a banner "The Holiness" movement is simply the idea that you are redeemed when you are born again in Christ, but you are NOT sanctified at that point; you are NOT holy. William Irvine was steeped in it, because he attended Keswick Convention which is seen as the center of the Holiness movement.
Diagram of "The Holiness" movement... www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/E-Books/holiness/Holiness%20Movement.gifAnyway, the pedigree is actually from the Moravian Church which dates back to 1457. John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist, but who was actually an Anglican Holiness doctrine widely in his sermons and later in his book titled "Christians perfection" is the same idea as Holiness. So, this is from Wiki---- It was on the voyage to the colonies that the Wesleys first came into contact with Moravian settlers was influenced by their deep faith and spirituality. During the voyage a storm came up and broke the mast of the ship. While the English panicked, the Moravians calmly sang hymns and prayed. This experienced led Wesley possessed inner strength which he lacked. The deeply personal religion that the Moravian pietists practiced heavily influence Wesley's theology of Methodist. And then the Moravian church was an offshoot of Catholicism, but almost a pre-Reformation one. However, some people believe the Moravians church, I will quote the Apostolic Succession through the Waldensians (1170 A.D.) Church. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiness_movement Anyway, potentially the lineage is:
Jesus Christ the Founder of the New Testament 2x2 apostolic ministry and Church (33 A.D) >>> Paul the Apostle (68 A.D.) ...... the Vaudois (400 A.D.) ...... the Waldensians ( 1170 A.D.) ...... Albigeneses ( 1300 A.D.) ...... Moravians (1400 A.D.) ...... John Wesley (1700 A.D) ...... Holiness movement (1800 A.D.) ..... the Faith Mission ( 1886 A.D.) ...... 2x2 Workers and Friends ...... (1898/1900------>> Jesus 2nd coming!I would have voted for 1897 William Irvine Founder date UNTIL a) I read John Long's Journal b) learned more on the socio-historical background that information and other preachers. That background included information on the Faith Mission, the Awakening in Scotland, various independent preaching movement and before that I could NOT see the forest before the trees. Now, I see William Irvine, John Long and the other first 2x2 workers as having separated from a much larger preaching movement in Scotland in the late 19th Century, one which culminated in schism because the main denomination would NOT accept the Holiness doctrine. As a "late date" fan at the present time, that would certainly make William Irvine the FIRST leader/overseer/head worker of the 2x2 movement. Founder? I have just NEVER liked calling William Irvine the Founder of the 2x2 movement. Nathan's selection of Edward Cooney quotes to Impartial Reporter in 1909 in the early days, and shed quite a bit of light on the early days of the movement, in my opinion. John Wesley's the Methodist worked and preaching on Christians perfection and his ideas in that area were strongly influenced in that area of Moravian Church, which is the Vaudois, and the Waldensians. ~~ Whathat, ex-2x2 has a clearer and better understanding history of 2x2 than Review the senior worker in NZ!
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Post by snow on Aug 25, 2017 15:20:49 GMT -5
Nathan, Cherie posts what she finds. You can't shoot the messenger just because there is stuff she has found that you don't like. I think she has done this quite well, trying to keep as neutral as possible. She has put a huge amount of time and effort into compiling the history of the group. She has done a great job imo. I don't need to shoot down the messenger, most of the workers and the friends already KNOW what kind a messenger she is and things will take care and work itself out... We have seen the damage by the numbers of the friends LEFT results of Cherie K. TTT website has done to our 2x2 fellowship the last 30 years. Yes, she is a collector of things, history according to what she believes, and gathering information from those who believe like her.
The beginning of the great falling away and the 2x2 exodus before Jesus returns... Paul wrote in I Thess 2:1-12
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction....
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
~~ Cherie K. TTT website and others ex-2x2 books (the Secret Sect, Has the truth set you Free? The church without a name and so on..... help to fulfill the scriptures in the last days and usher Jesus returns.
Paul wrote in II Timothy 3:1-8 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
I don't agree that she is just showing the bad side of the church. She posts it all, good and bad. That's why I say she is pretty neutral about it. So if people are supposed to leave your church and it's god's plan, then why be mad at Cherie. God is obviously working through her to prepare your church for the end times!
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Post by nathan on Aug 25, 2017 17:35:37 GMT -5
I don't agree that she is just showing the bad side of the church. She posts it all, good and bad. That's why I say she is pretty neutral about it. So if people are supposed to leave your church and it's god's plan, then why be mad at Cherie. God is obviously working through her to prepare your church for the end times! I feel sad for all the friends, who have been deceived and LEFT the fellowship... Their blood and eternal Salvation will be on Cherie's shoulders/heads and those like her in the last 100 years.... Well, they can't blame Cherie for everything in the day of judgment, God gave them brains, and they should pray and check these things out more carefully for themselves.
Just think of the regrets for all eternity.... What they could have to enjoy in the New earth and New heaven, their crowns of life taken away from them, and their names in the book of life was removed...
Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
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Post by snow on Aug 26, 2017 11:47:00 GMT -5
I don't agree that she is just showing the bad side of the church. She posts it all, good and bad. That's why I say she is pretty neutral about it. So if people are supposed to leave your church and it's god's plan, then why be mad at Cherie. God is obviously working through her to prepare your church for the end times! I feel sad for all the friends, who have been deceived and LEFT the fellowship... Their blood and eternal Salvation will be on Cherie's shoulders/heads and those like her in the last 100 years.... Well, they can't blame Cherie for everything in the day of judgment, God gave them brains, and they should pray and check these things out more carefully for themselves.
Just think of the regrets for all eternity.... What they could have to enjoy in the New earth and New heaven, their crowns of life taken away from them, and their names in the book of life was removed...
Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
Nathan the only people who are to blame are those that wrote those letters and other things that Cherie posts. Cherie is not to blame for what is written.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 26, 2017 15:18:21 GMT -5
Nathan you did not read my message. Cherie researched the 2x2's ( The Truth, The Way, The Workers and Friends) or whatever you want to call the group's history and her research and info is true to the facts as far as history goes. Before 1897 there was no group with "overseers, with workers and friends", with "convention grounds", where "workers" were sent to "mission" fields, there was none of that structure. It all developed from 1897 with Irvine. Through the ages there has been many itinerant preachers and people who served the Lord, but never a group with all these unique characteristics and traditions. Cherie's agenda is to tell the truth as far as history goes for the 2x2's as we knew them today. And we know it goes back to 1897. I put you to the test on just one point, can you find a reference to a convention grounds before 1900? Dr. Cornelius Jaenen an early church historian Professing man in Canada, who wrote a book: The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and I have given the historical documents of many Vaudois church historians have shown, there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry in EVERY generation since the days of Jesus and apostles but they you still don't get it. 1898 was William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers and beginning....
The Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigense, Cathars and many groups like them through thousands of years. They had no official names, many names were given to them by outsiders and the 2x2s workers group have many similar belief, doctrines, and spirits as them... I believe the Holy Spirit gave the early 2x2s workers revelation and understanding of continuing Jesus New Testament apostolic ministry and fellowship.
~~ Edward Cooney (1867-1960) 2x2 early days worker in (1901) wrote To Impartial Reporter 10/7/1909
1) Edward Cooney wrote, " We (2x2 workers) did NOT start this Jesus Way. It was started and planned by God before we were thought of, and we are earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the Saints and trying to separate it from the tradition of men. There was in the day, William Irvine, upon whose heart God's Spirit worked to raise him up like the judges of old, to lead back those in Christendom to the TRUTH as it is in Jesus." ( By Patricia Roberts book page 43-45)
Edward Cooney wrote, "Undoubtedly God has called us and separated us to be His people in the beginning, and most prominent and most used in this calling out a people, William Irvine who at the time of being sent forth to be a prophet, saw more clearly than any of us that the revelation of the Father to each individual child of His is Christ would build His Church, and that the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it." (By Patricia Roberts Page 43-45)
The structure of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship that William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack and Bill Carroll received they got it from John Govan, the Faith Mission founder in 1886 and the New Testament fellowship/emblems worship Sunday morning meetings based from the Scriptures.
William Irvine did NOT start or founded anything at all by himself in 1900 he just left the Faith Mission group but continued the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry which is from the New Testament Bible. The 2x2s convention copied from Keswick convention in England, and many of the Faith Mission terminologies such as workers, sisters and brothers workers, conventions, professing, gospel meetings, the friends, having the workers lists, and so on...
One of the most important things they were added to the 2x2 group was Sunday worship morning meetings with the emblems.
Cherie K. telling the truth website of 2x2 history is NOT TELLING the whole truth.
Nathan, for some reason you can't or don't want to acknowledge what we know now about the beginnings of 2x2's! You still didn't answer Pa's post.
Pa's post:
"Before 1897 there was no group with "overseers, with workers and friends", with "convention grounds", where "workers" were sent to "mission" fields, there was none of that structure. It all developed from 1897 with Irvine. Through the ages there has been many itinerant preachers and people who served the Lord, but never a group with all these unique characteristics and traditions."
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Nathan you said:
"The structure of Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship that William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack and Bill Carroll received they got it from John Govan,
William Irvine did NOT start or founded anything at all by himself in 1900 he just left the Faith Mission group but continued the Faith Mission.
Nathan, none of what you said the whole story!
I am aware that there are some people who like yourself are simply unable to accept the truth about the beginnings of the 2x2's, the TRUTH or the WAY as we called it.
Therefore you and others continue to try to find some way that will fit it into a continuous line back to Jesus.
The Faith Mission started by John Govan still exists ! Are the 2x2's any part of the Faith Mission?
NO!
The *TRUTH* WAS started by William Irvine, who drew others such as Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack and Bill Carroll .
THEY tried to make us believe, -and succeeded -that it went all the way back to Jesus.
Now you, Nathan, -are still trying to do the same! But you aren't going to succeed!
The horse is out of the barn; -the cat is out of the box and you are never going to get them them back in!
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Post by nathan on Aug 26, 2017 20:39:55 GMT -5
I feel sad for all the friends, who have been deceived and LEFT the fellowship... Their blood and eternal Salvation will be on Cherie's shoulders/heads and those like her in the last 100 years.... Well, they can't blame Cherie for everything in the day of judgment, God gave them brains, and they should pray and check these things out more carefully for themselves.
Just think of the regrets for all eternity.... What they could have to enjoy in the New earth and New heaven, their crowns of life taken away from them, and their names in the book of life was removed...
Peter wrote in I Peter 4:17-18 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
Nathan the only people who are to blame are those that wrote those letters and other things that Cherie posts. Cherie is not to blame for what is written. *** which letters are you thinking of? Dmg, you have told the readers you put me on your ignore list 100s times now... But you keep on writing to me... Please don't write to me or asking me anymore questions. Thanks.
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Post by snow on Aug 27, 2017 12:22:39 GMT -5
Nathan the only people who are to blame are those that wrote those letters and other things that Cherie posts. Cherie is not to blame for what is written. *** which letters are you thinking of? Dmg, you have told the readers you put me on your ignore list 100s times now... But you keep on writing to me... Please don't write to me or asking me anymore questions. Thanks. I don't have any specific ones in mind actually. Just that most of what Cherie has posted are old letters photos etc. and people don't agree with them. But the fact is, Cherie didn't write them, someone in the 2x2's did. So if there is anything posted that you don't like, you really can't blame Cherie. She is just posting what she finds and then shares.
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Post by nathan on Aug 27, 2017 16:42:35 GMT -5
*** which letters are you thinking of? Dmg, you have told the readers you put me on your ignore list 100s times now... But you keep on writing to me... Please don't write to me or asking me anymore questions. Thanks. I don't have any specific ones in mind actually. Just that most of what Cherie has posted are old letters photos etc. and people don't agree with them. But the fact is, Cherie didn't write them, someone in the 2x2's did. So if there is anything posted that you don't like, you really can't blame Cherie. She is just posting what she finds and then shares. Ok... Let me clarify. For an example, There is an article on TTT website about when the 2x2 started? So she posted many early days workers believed, when it was started the 2x2 started, they claimed it was 1897... and she claimed it TRUE for 30 years and even to this day, but when we carefully examine John Long's Journal and Pattison's early days account it showed the starting date 1897 was not TRUE or correct at all.
1897 started or founding date is incorrect for a start, there are other articles on the TTT website which are leading the readers to come the WRONG conclusion of things.... Like William Irvine started and founded the 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship in 1897 it was all his idea. ALL William Irvine did was brought them the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry in 1897, but the Sunday Morning fellowship/worship with the emblems/bread and wine in the believers home to share their testimonies, began by Edward Cooney and the other 2x2 workers in 1902.
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Post by snow on Aug 28, 2017 14:37:40 GMT -5
I don't have any specific ones in mind actually. Just that most of what Cherie has posted are old letters photos etc. and people don't agree with them. But the fact is, Cherie didn't write them, someone in the 2x2's did. So if there is anything posted that you don't like, you really can't blame Cherie. She is just posting what she finds and then shares. Ok... Let me clarify. For an example, There is an article on TTT website about when the 2x2 started? So she posted many early days workers believed, when it was started the 2x2 started, they claimed it was 1897... and she claimed it TRUE for 30 years and even to this day, but when we carefully examine John Long's Journal and Pattison's early days account it showed the starting date 1897 was not TRUE or correct at all.
1897 started or founding date is incorrect for a start, there are other articles on the TTT website which are leading the readers to come the WRONG conclusion of things.... Like William Irvine started and founded the 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship in 1897 it was all his idea. ALL William Irvine did was brought them the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry in 1897, but the Sunday Morning fellowship/worship with the emblems/bread and wine in the believers home to share their testimonies, began by Edward Cooney and the other 2x2 workers in 1902.
I have no idea if that's true or not so I will give you the benefit of the doubt until it is proved otherwise if it can be.
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Post by matisse on Aug 30, 2017 16:00:16 GMT -5
I don't have any specific ones in mind actually. Just that most of what Cherie has posted are old letters photos etc. and people don't agree with them. But the fact is, Cherie didn't write them, someone in the 2x2's did. So if there is anything posted that you don't like, you really can't blame Cherie. She is just posting what she finds and then shares. Ok... Let me clarify. For an example, There is an article on TTT website about when the 2x2 started? So she posted many early days workers believed, when it was started the 2x2 started, they claimed it was 1897... and she claimed it TRUE for 30 years and even to this day, but when we carefully examine John Long's Journal and Pattison's early days account it showed the starting date 1897 was not TRUE or correct at all.
1897 started or founding date is incorrect for a start, there are other articles on the TTT website which are leading the readers to come the WRONG conclusion of things.... Like William Irvine started and founded the 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship in 1897 it was all his idea. ALL William Irvine did was brought them the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry in 1897, but the Sunday Morning fellowship/worship with the emblems/bread and wine in the believers home to share their testimonies, began by Edward Cooney and the other 2x2 workers in 1902.
TTT has the text of Long's journal, as well as the accounts by G. Pattison, so the visitor can read them for him or herself. Cherie does not hide these sources, Nathan.
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Post by nathan on Aug 30, 2017 17:27:01 GMT -5
Ok... Let me clarify. For an example, There is an article on TTT website about when the 2x2 started? So she posted many early days workers believed, when it was started the 2x2 started, they claimed it was 1897... and she claimed it TRUE for 30 years and even to this day, but when we carefully examine John Long's Journal and Pattison's early days account it showed the starting date 1897 was not TRUE or correct at all.
1897 started or founding date is incorrect for a start, there are other articles on the TTT website which are leading the readers to come the WRONG conclusion of things.... Like William Irvine started and founded the 2x2 apostolic ministry and the New Testament fellowship in 1897 it was all his idea. ALL William Irvine did was brought them the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry in 1897, but the Sunday Morning fellowship/worship with the emblems/bread and wine in the believers home to share their testimonies, began by Edward Cooney and the other 2x2 workers in 1902.
TTT has the text of Long's journal, as well as the accounts by G. Pattison, so the visitor can read them for him or herself. Cherie does not hide these sources, Nathan. Yep, I know and I study John Long journal and George Patttion writings very carefully and and show there are many parts which the readers have missed or overlooked some of these details, which Cherie K. does NOT bring it to the readers attention ... I can't copy and paste these things from John Long Journal exact words for words, so I had to paraphrases and point out these things myself.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 30, 2017 20:02:06 GMT -5
Nathan the only people who are to blame are those that wrote those letters and other things that Cherie posts. Cherie is not to blame for what is written. *** which letters are you thinking of? Dmg, you have told the readers you put me on your ignore list 100s times now... But you keep on writing to me... Please don't write to me or asking me anymore questions. Thanks. Putting you on the ignore list doesn't mean that now & then I can't check to see if you are posting a lot of accusations that aren't true. Neither does it mean that I can't answer them when you do.
So I will continue to do so.
You wouldn't even have John Longs journal or those other letters to read had it not been for Cherie's finding them and posting them!
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Post by nathan on Aug 30, 2017 21:27:27 GMT -5
*** which letters are you thinking of? Dmg, you have told the readers you put me on your ignore list 100s times now... But you keep on writing to me... Please don't write to me or asking me anymore questions. Thanks. Putting you on the ignore list doesn't mean that now & then I can't check to see if you are posting a lot of accusations that aren't true. Neither does it mean that I can't answer them when you do.
So I will continue to do so.
You wouldn't even have John Longs journal or those other letters to read had it not been for Cherie's finding them and posting them! I didn't need John Long's journal because God already revealed to me it was Jesus who started the Truth and Way of God in 1978 long before Cherie K. posted his/John Long journal around the year 2000s.
I am in the process of writing my testimony and I will share many information, how God revealed to me these things.
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Post by joanna on Aug 30, 2017 21:46:42 GMT -5
snowMaintaining a position of neutrality infers the person does not take a position on the issue or topic. There are many examples which disprove that Cherie Kropp maintains a neutral position regarding the status of the 2x2 group. There is one on this thread when she wrote: To take a neutral stance about the 2x2 group would be to simply present any documents related to this group to prompt discussion however, in order to maintain a position of neutrality, the person must avoid stating their opinion. Cherie Kropp declares the 2x2 belief to be founded on a lie and to therefore be a false (not) christian belief. Yet she cannot provide her measure of truth which would evidence these claims. She failed to answer these questions I asked her many months back
"What is the standard used to measure truth in the religious context?
Is this standard applied to other religious belief systems? If not, on what basis is a website dedicated to critiquing the origins of the 'truth' justified?
How is deception defined in the context of the 'truth'.
What strategies can be applied to differentiate between the 'truth' and the many other religious belief systems to avoid being deceived?
As the TTT site will inevitably cause some professing people to doubt their belief: is the doubting of all faiths encouraged? If not, why not ? and if so why? Thank you" .I honestly fear that by supporting or defending such an individual's position, we are also supporting a typical example of religious sectarianism. Each faith based belief naturally tends to claim their version of the truth as the absolute truth. Yet not one can provide the evidence which proves their truth to be the gold standard. As previously mentioned elsewhere: if an individual believes: that their god sent himself to earth billions of years after he created the world, in the virgin birth, miracles, the resurrection and eternal life: Then on what basis do they negate another's claims that god inspired them to follow his teachings during an interval that was a relatively small lapse of time after his son was on the earth?
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Post by joanna on Aug 30, 2017 22:25:55 GMT -5
nathan. I'd rather you omit any religious intonations to my comments Nathan For what it is worth, I am not writing to impress the 2x2 group as you are probably already aware. It just that I perceive the focus of Cherie Kropp and others of her ilk to be manifesting a bigoted, inequitable and irrational approach to one Christian sect.
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Post by nathan on Aug 30, 2017 22:38:17 GMT -5
nathan . I'd rather you omit any religious intonations to my comments Nathan For what it is worth, I am not writing to impress the 2x2 group as you are probably already aware. It just that I perceive the focus of Cherie Kropp and others of her ilk to be manifesting a bigoted, inequitable and irrational approach to one Christian sect. I deleted my post.
If Cherie K. just posting history parts like John Long Journal, George P. early days journal, workers letters, etc.. then she is great as a researcher on information. She must leave out her own understanding of the Scriptures, against the workers and bias theories... like William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 founding date, it made her credibility goes down the toilet when a person carefully study John Long Journal and others information.
Cherie is not a Bible student... so, her understand on the Bible scriptures, belief, and 2x2 doctrines are not very clear and good. Stick with posting 2x2 history, Cherie.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 2:50:57 GMT -5
nathan . I'd rather you omit any religious intonations to my comments Nathan For what it is worth, I am not writing to impress the 2x2 group as you are probably already aware. It just that I perceive the focus of Cherie Kropp and others of her ilk to be manifesting a bigoted, inequitable and irrational approach to one Christian sect. I deleted my post.
If Cherie K. just posting history parts like John Long Journal, George P. early days journal, workers letters, etc.. then she is great as a researcher on information. She must leave out her own understanding of the Scriptures, against the workers and bias theories... like William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 founding date, it made her credibility goes down the toilet when a person carefully study John Long Journal and others information.
Cherie is not a Bible student... so, her understand on the Bible scriptures, belief, and 2x2 doctrines are not very clear and good. Stick with posting 2x2 history, Cherie.
But of course you understand the bible scriptures don't you nathan !!! Like DMG say you wouldn't have the information you have without CherieKropp's research, also you are quick to use it when it suits your purpose !
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