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Post by continuer on Jul 3, 2017 18:30:05 GMT -5
Yes - I know many workers who are good honest and sincere people as well but they need to stop preaching the Living Witness Doctrine. Anyone can read the New Testament and know instantly that local churches under local elders grew daily and there wasn't an apostle around for years in some cases. Read the New Testament and know that the Apostles preached the Gospel and new churches were formed and the Apostles appointed elders appointed. Ross your statement is incorrect and misleading. You are closing your eyes to the reality of the Acts of the Apostles and Paul's writings and putting your own incorrect slant on it. Workers I have spoken to about Philip "the evangelist" (with his own home and family) tend to get a bit uneasy. Also when I mention the fact that Ananias was sent to help Saul of Tarsus - not one of the Apostles.
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Post by continuer on Jul 3, 2017 18:34:28 GMT -5
Workers I have spoken to about Philip "the evangelist" (with his own home and family) tend to get a bit uneasy. Also when I mention the fact that Ananias was sent to help Saul of Tarsus - not one of the Apostles. I'm not uneasy about it. Are you? I'm not uneasy about it at all. But some workers who subscribe to the living witness doctrine are.
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Post by continuer on Jul 3, 2017 18:49:19 GMT -5
I agree with a living ministry but I don't agree with the living witness doctrine that most workers I have met adhere to. The lives lived by many (not all) workers bear no resemblance whatsoever to the lives lived by the Apostles or the way that the Master Himself carried the Gospel. In my neck of the woods, I don't see them getting out and mixing with publicans and sinners - just visiting the friends, spending hours in their bedrooms, being waited on hand and foot with the best of food and having a few meetings attended by hardly any "outsiders". The idea that Matthew 10 applies to how the Gospel should be carried today to the Gentiles is not supported by any commandment of Jesus.
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Post by continuer on Jul 3, 2017 19:06:06 GMT -5
I agree with a living ministry but I don't agree with the living witness doctrine that most workers I have met adhere to. The lives lived by many (not all) workers bear no resemblance whatsoever to the lives lived by the Apostles or the way that the Master Himself carried the Gospel. In my neck of the woods, I don't see them getting out and mixing with publicans and sinners - just visiting the friends, spending hours in their bedrooms, being waited on hand and foot with the best of food and having a few meetings attended by hardly any "outsiders". The idea that Matthew 10 applies to how the Gospel should be carried today to the Gentiles is not supported by any commandment of Jesus. You are correct about Mat 10, it is Mat 28 that it the Scripture of the Apostles after the Resurrection and until the end of the age. Since leaving the fellowship/meetings have you found a ministry and church that lives as you feel the Bible teaches the NT ministry and church should be? Do you agree with the Apostolic ministry that Jesus gave command for until the end of the age? I have not left the fellowship meetings because I find the fellowship with my brothers and sisters real and living. And, no, I haven't found anywhere else as special as a Sunday morning meeting. I asked a very wise man once what I should do and he said "Go where you find help" - so that is what I do. I don't have the best of relationships with a few workers - not because I have anything against them personally but rather because I consider them to be off beam. And, yes, I accept the words of Jesus in Matthew 28 as indeed I accept all His words.
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Post by continuer on Jul 4, 2017 2:31:22 GMT -5
I have not left the fellowship meetings because I find the fellowship with my brothers and sisters real and living. And, no, I haven't found anywhere else as special as a Sunday morning meeting. I asked a very wise man once what I should do and he said "Go where you find help" - so that is what I do. I don't have the best of relationships with a few workers - not because I have anything against them personally but rather because I consider them to be off beam. And, yes, I accept the words of Jesus in Matthew 28 as indeed I accept all His words. I'm sorry for you and the situation you are in. If I found myself in a fellowship/church where I considered the ministers 'off beam' I would be out of it. Our hope of salvation depends primarily on having a living relationship with the Lord rather than the group with whom we fellowship. Nevertheless, you have a point. One day I may move on if I feel that the Spirit is leading me that way ...
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Post by continuer on Jul 4, 2017 4:35:34 GMT -5
Our hope of salvation depends primarily on having a living relationship with the Lord rather than the group with whom we fellowship. Nevertheless, you have a point. One day I may move on if I feel that the Spirit is leading me that way ... Must be quite unpleasant and unsatisfactory for you with your view that your ministry is off beam. Not at all. I am on a spiritual journey. Who knows where it may take me. What I have to do is look to myself (am I in line with Jesus?) - not other people - and keep responsive to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
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Post by johnfields on Jul 4, 2017 5:48:23 GMT -5
I find Ross's posts among the most insightful and interesting on this forum, so I must be one of this "small clique". I'm not speaking for Ross, but now that I know what some members of this sect are capable of, and now that I know that its leaders have repeatedly turned a blind eye to child abuse, it's quite hard to leave the subject alone. People worshipping in their homes -- great. People failing to deal with child abuse, cutting people off from friends and relatives with differing beliefs, and portraying themselves as the only true Christians with no earthly founder other than Jesus when they were actually started in 1897 by a man who was clearly a bit of a fruitcake .... not so good. I fully understand you feeling as you do about Ross' post. You have a similar mindset to Ross. But I appreciate that you have made exposing fraud and other scandals amongst us 'the main focus of your life for the foreseeable future' (to quote your words). Now publishing your findings and ensuring law enforcement authorities are advised of crimes committed will give you relevance and credibility that Ross' factually incorrect judgemental posts can never deliver. It's all rather vague anything you've posted so far. But full credit and appreciation to you if you feel there is uncovered fraud and scandal. we'll be glad to have that revealed and dealt with by the law and also church disciplinary measures. I smile thinking of the howls that would come from Ross if someone posted as judgementally and incorrectly about his church and people as he does about the Christian group of people he once was part of. You know full well that I'm quite limited in what I can actually do; it's hard work even to figure out who's actually a member of the 2x2s, never mind uncover fraud or other scandals among these people without even knowing them personally. Pick some other group of people who you don't have a membership list for and ask yourself how you'd uncover fraud or scandals among them? Plenty of people have said they were sexually abused by workers as children; nothing seems to have changed so I'd be surprised if that isn't still going on. How I'm supposed to get to the bottom of that, I don't know. But the clearest major problem in the 2x2s is the sexual abuse of children by workers. It's doubtless a minority of workers, but they move from house to house and so have far more "opportunity" than if they were preachers in a church.
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2017 17:35:49 GMT -5
I have not left the fellowship meetings because I find the fellowship with my brothers and sisters real and living. And, no, I haven't found anywhere else as special as a Sunday morning meeting. I asked a very wise man once what I should do and he said "Go where you find help" - so that is what I do. I don't have the best of relationships with a few workers - not because I have anything against them personally but rather because I consider them to be off beam. And, yes, I accept the words of Jesus in Matthew 28 as indeed I accept all His words. I'm sorry for you and the situation you are in. If I found myself in a fellowship/church where I considered the ministers 'off beam' I would be out of it. Sad that out of all the things he tried to get across in this post all you could concentrate on was his statements that some of the workers were off beam. Some are. Every organization has them. If the majority of them are 'right on' then why would you expect him to leave or even to decide he was particularly unhappy because some of them are 'off beam'? Here's what I got from what he said. He loves the Truth and loves his meetings and the people he has fellowship with. He loves and gets along with most of the workers but some he doesn't. No where in there did he indicate he wanted to leave or was unhappy. Yet you basically focus on the one thing he said that was negative and pretty much say he should leave and go somewhere else. Not hard to see why people leave if that's what an honest comment gets as a response.
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2017 17:45:43 GMT -5
How can anyone actually argue about bible interpretations? It's the bible. It's full of contradictions and very open to interpretation. It's actually pretty pointless to argue about whose interpretation is correct. If the bible was a clear and concise book there would be no need for interpretations. But many many denominations later we see just how clear and concise it is and how everyone sees clearly what it says and agrees with each other. I think it's time to put the bible on the shelf and recognize that living by rules that were understood 2000 years ago should be left there. 2000 years ago. They were just attempts by men to make sense of their world given what they knew then. We know much of what they thought to be true as false now. It's time to leave it all in the past and quit arguing about whose interpretation is right and wrong. None of it's relevant given what we have learned in the last 2000 years. jmo of course.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 4, 2017 23:28:51 GMT -5
How can anyone actually argue about bible interpretations? It's the bible. It's full of contradictions and very open to interpretation. It's actually pretty pointless to argue about whose interpretation is correct. If the bible was a clear and concise book there would be no need for interpretations. But many many denominations later we see just how clear and concise it is and how everyone sees clearly what it says and agrees with each other. I think it's time to put the bible on the shelf and recognize that living by rules that were understood 2000 years ago should be left there. 2000 years ago. They were just attempts by men to make sense of their world given what they knew then. We know much of what they thought to be true as false now. It's time to leave it all in the past and quit arguing about whose interpretation is right and wrong. None of it's relevant given what we have learned in the last 2000 years. jmo of course. It is quite hilarious is it not Snow, that people argue incessantly about something that does not even exist. I am so glad I am free of the bulldust that springs from this belief in the unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 12:08:19 GMT -5
Ross, your nonsense is 'water off a duck's back'! Then you can't even agree with yourself never mind Bible teaching! This morning you post: "I've got no great desire to continue interaction with a senior worker who cannot have a reasonable discussion about what Scripture says without getting personal."
Then this evening proceed with personal attacks against the 'senior worker' with whom you have no great desire to continue interaction!!! You would be hilarious if it was not so pathetic It is wholly reasonable and to be expected that you will be challenged when you post erroneous theology and wrong doctrine. It will be exposed and refuted by the teachings of Jesus Christ and the writings of Paul and other Bible writers. Its fascinating that you consider key parts of Acts to be "erroneous theology and wrong doctrine..." A few of us think that your continued participation in a forum like this (against you boss' wishes) indicates that you have a few questions that you are grappling with about Acts. You indicated previously that you've pretty much moved on from Matt 10 so it's good for you to study the depth of the Word in Acts as you consider whether what you are doing actually lines up with Scripture. It will help you move on from heresies like the Living Witness Doctrine. All the best in your study. i do believe he meant your interpretation of Acts is erroneous and wrong...
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Post by snow on Jul 5, 2017 14:11:48 GMT -5
Sad that out of all the things he tried to get across in this post all you could concentrate on was his statements that some of the workers were off beam. Some are. Every organization has them. If the majority of them are 'right on' then why would you expect him to leave or even to decide he was particularly unhappy because some of them are 'off beam'? Here's what I got from what he said. He loves the Truth and loves his meetings and the people he has fellowship with. He loves and gets along with most of the workers but some he doesn't. No where in there did he indicate he wanted to leave or was unhappy. Yet you basically focus on the one thing he said that was negative and pretty much say he should leave and go somewhere else. Not hard to see why people leave if that's what an honest comment gets as a response. Snow you have cherry picked from posts and given your opinion. It does not accurately reflect the sum of continuer's posts . But this is an open forum and you are entitled to do such! Sometimes my dear review005, you are your own worst enemy. I was merely pointing out to you that you just reamed out a member of your church that sounds absolutely content and happy with a good majority of what the F&W's offer him. He was being honest about his feelings and not getting along with some but most were just fine. Couldn't you have focused on the good in his post? People need encouragement not criticism for the most part. I do realize constructive criticism is important but it can be overdone too. All the best to you.
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Post by snow on Jul 5, 2017 16:47:21 GMT -5
"my dear snow" (to use your form of address) You have posted your opinion and perspective. By focusing mostly on one part of one post of continuer's rather than viewing it in the context of the number of posts you present an opinion I see as distorted and incorrect. But that is your opinion and you are entitled to post that! Why thank you! Sometimes we agree and sometimes we just don't.
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Post by continuer on Jul 5, 2017 17:00:27 GMT -5
Don't want to get caught in any crossfire here - but Snow's assessment is basically correct. I am very happy with the fellowship I enjoy with my brothers and sisters. Some workers I respect and admire - others I don't. And I have no time for the Living Witness doctrine. I believe that true Christianity is first and foremost about having a living relationship with the Lord. I don't believe that it is about joining a particular sect or group (i.e. "We are right and everyone else is wrong"). I don't think that I have ever posted anything contrary to this. I don't feel sad about my situation and I don't want anyone else feeling sad for me!
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Post by continuer on Jul 5, 2017 17:29:07 GMT -5
Don't want to get caught in any crossfire here - but Snow's assessment is basically correct. I am very happy with the fellowship I enjoy with my brothers and sisters. Some workers I respect and admire - others I don't. And I have no time for the Living Witness doctrine. I believe that true Christianity is first and foremost about having a living relationship with the Lord. I don't believe that it is about joining a particular sect or group. I don't think that I have ever posted anything contrary to this. You also agree with views in a post that are quite simply incorrect & only the disaffected ex member's jaundiced view of our church. Where did you get your 'living witness doctrine' from? Hey did God use the ministry of the church you presently to belong when you got saved? You say "I agree with views in a post that are quite simply incorrect". I have no idea what post you are talking about so cannot really comment on this. The "living witness doctrine" is well recorded on this forum (together with the fact that the man who introduced this doctrine many years ago subsequently said that he was wrong and had made a mistake). I have heard workers use it to explain why people who go to "false churches" cannot be saved. I have heard several workers specifically say that salvation comes through listening to the Gospel preached by God's only true servants. I would say that it was the example of faithful practicing Christians that brought me to Jesus rather than the ministry. I was brought up in the Truth and it is the case that for some years I did believe that the workers were God's only true servants (what I see today as a form of idolatry on my part). I don't believe that today.
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Post by continuer on Jul 5, 2017 18:12:50 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with that. Many friends probably wouldn't know what the term "living witness doctrine" is. But if I said that the only way salvation can be obtained is by listening to the Gospel preached by God's only true servants, they would know exactly what I was talking about. Of course, I go to a Sunday morning meeting to get bread and not to cause controversy - it's not the right forum to do that. It is true that certain workers did have a positive influence on me when I professed. I believe that the workers today can bring people to Jesus but I don't believe that they are "God's only true servants".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2017 0:50:51 GMT -5
Ah - except the Scripture is not erroneous. Everywhere you turn in Acts and the Epistles you (a) do not see a homeless, 2x2, unmarried ministry and (b) in addition to the Apostles you see elders teaching/preaching the Word and the church growing daily. If your church wants to have the ministry it does that's fine but it's an insult to people's basic intelligence if workers claim that it's the only ministry on earth and that people can only have a relationship with God by professing through a worker. Your unpleasant outpourings harm no one... except your hope of any validity on this forum. I repeat: When you post your erroneous theology I will refute that with what the Bible records of Jesus Christ's teaching and life. How is what Ross says unpleasant? Is it because the truth is unpalatable to a minister of the "Truth"
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2017 3:35:34 GMT -5
I am quite happy for you to speak about me in the first person. You know exactly what the Living Witness Doctrine. It's an abomination to God and workers should completely distance themselves from it on the platform. If they don't the doctrines of men mean more to them than the Word of God. My observation is that you are more filled with venom for the church you once belonged and your erroneous theology than anything else. Living witness doctrine is something that I'd never heard until disaffected ex members like you mentioned it. You have seemingly never known of salvation, joy and peace in our church as I and a multitude of others have. It is people like you who get all twisted up with your living witness doctrine. Meanwhile most in our church enjoy life in Christ blissfully unaware of what bothers you so much. Really I do hope you get it where you are now. I sincerely mean that. When you get it, the venom you presently have will cease to torment you. Your multitude still meet together because of the social aspect. It's a giant social club that they are afraid to break free from.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 6, 2017 4:29:16 GMT -5
I am quite happy for you to speak about me in the first person. You know exactly what the Living Witness Doctrine. It's an abomination to God and workers should completely distance themselves from it on the platform. If they don't the doctrines of men mean more to them than the Word of God. My observation is that you are more filled with venom for the church you once belonged and your erroneous theology than anything else. Living witness doctrine is something that I'd never heard until disaffected ex members like you mentioned it. You get all twisted up with your living witness doctrine and I don't know what else causing you to fire your judgemental Pharisee like statements. Meanwhile most in our church enjoy life in Christ blissfully unaware of what bothers you so much. Really I do hope you get it where you are now. I sincerely mean that. Your present ranting reminds me of Saul of Tarsus. Review005, You may never had heard the "term," Living witness doctrine, but you know very well the substance of it!
I had never heard "term" either , but when I did hear about it I knew very well what it meant.
Simply put, -in a nut shell, -it meant that no one would be saved unless they heard the gospel through the "workers."
Now you know that & I know that!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2017 5:13:40 GMT -5
Curly, thanks for your opinion. Glad my experience is quite different. Perhaps it was your experience while you professed? Brainwashing has different effects on different people. The more gullible the person the more taken they are by the lies. I see you are very gullible. Or do you really know the truth about the Truth and want to break free but don't have the balls to do so in case you lose all your friends. We can help if you choose to take this step.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 11:06:27 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with that. Many friends probably wouldn't know what the term "living witness doctrine" is. But if I said that the only way salvation can be obtained is by listening to the Gospel preached by God's only true servants, they would know exactly what I was talking about. Of course, I go to a Sunday morning meeting to get bread and not to cause controversy - it's not the right forum to do that. It is true that certain workers did have a positive influence on me when I professed. I believe that the workers today can bring people to Jesus but I don't believe that they are "God's only true servants". Thanks for your views. Do you believe in the apostolic commission and ministry that we read of in Mat 28? That which Jesus promised he would be with until the end of the age? Would you be equally happy and agreeable in say for example an Anglican or Pentecostal ministry and fellowship? You are allowed to be! It's your life and choices! I don't limit God and his working by my experience. But I know for ME. This fellowship and this ministry is God's place for ME. I would be 'a fish out of water' anywhere else. But I'm happy for others if it is their experience that they are happy and satisfied in something else! You do limit God. Perhaps more than anyone on this board. You limit God to the portrayal of God provided in the bible. You even go further. You limit God to your interpretation of how God is portrayed in the bible. You take a very narrow view of how God thinks, or is supposed to think, and live your life according to this narrow viewpoint. Your view of God is so limited that most people throughout history would not recognise it at all. If only you could let go of the shackles of the belief that binds you you would come to realise that your interpretation of God is deeply flawed and that God is not really as your understand him/it at all. Matt10
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Post by janj on Jul 6, 2017 12:37:55 GMT -5
Thanks for your views. Do you believe in the apostolic commission and ministry that we read of in Mat 28? That which Jesus promised he would be with until the end of the age? Would you be equally happy and agreeable in say for example an Anglican or Pentecostal ministry and fellowship? You are allowed to be! It's your life and choices! I don't limit God and his working by my experience. But I know for ME. This fellowship and this ministry is God's place for ME. I would be 'a fish out of water' anywhere else. But I'm happy for others if it is their experience that they are happy and satisfied in something else! You do limit God. Perhaps more than anyone on this board. You limit God to the portrayal of God provided in the bible. You even go further. You limit God to your interpretation of how God is portrayed in the bible. You take a very narrow view of how God thinks, or is supposed to think, and live your life according to this narrow viewpoint. Your view of God is so limited that most people throughout history would not recognise it at all. If only you could let go of the shackles of the belief that binds you you would come to realise that your interpretation of God is deeply flawed and that God is not really as your understand him/it at all. Matt10 Woo- you must know review personally and very well in order to make a judgement like that. You are in effect telling us what his personal relationship with God is.
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Post by janj on Jul 6, 2017 12:44:55 GMT -5
Curly, thanks for your opinion. Glad my experience is quite different. Perhaps it was your experience while you professed? Brainwashing has different effects on different people. The more gullible the person the more taken they are by the lies. I see you are very gullible. Or do you really know the truth about the Truth and want to break free but don't have the balls to do so in case you lose all your friends. We can help if you choose to take this step. And then he could have friends like you!! Man I just cant understand why hes not jumping at your offer of help😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 13:13:52 GMT -5
You do limit God. Perhaps more than anyone on this board. You limit God to the portrayal of God provided in the bible. You even go further. You limit God to your interpretation of how God is portrayed in the bible. You take a very narrow view of how God thinks, or is supposed to think, and live your life according to this narrow viewpoint. Your view of God is so limited that most people throughout history would not recognise it at all. If only you could let go of the shackles of the belief that binds you you would come to realise that your interpretation of God is deeply flawed and that God is not really as your understand him/it at all. Matt10 Woo- you must know review personally and very well in order to make a judgement like that. You are in effect telling us what his personal relationship with God is. On the contrary, I don't know him very well. In fact I don't know him at all. Neither have I said anything about what his relationship with God is. I don't even know if he has a personal relationship with (his) God. What I have been pointing out is how he is in error by claiming that he doesn't limit God. I don't need to know him personally to know this. I only have to read what he writes here about God and he writes here about God a lot. You don't think it's fair to form a judgement on what someone's views of God are based on regular postings they make that provide an insight to what their views of God are? You think that only by knowing a person personally can one form an accurate judgement of what a person's views are of God? Do you think that no one on this board can possibly know what my views on God are given that no one here knows me personally? Matt10
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2017 23:16:00 GMT -5
It's altogether quite possible that review and Janj are closely related - like maybe the same person. Just a hunch - nothing more..,, Is that what they mean by "keeping it in the family" There's a bit of that in the twobies.
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Post by Grant on Jul 7, 2017 1:14:19 GMT -5
It's altogether quite possible that review and Janj are closely related - like maybe the same person. Just a hunch - nothing more..,, I'm feeling quite hunchy too. I think it's likely Ross, Matt 10, enuf and walker 1903 are clone quadruplets. Heard Ross is also doing a thesis on the living witness doctrine so that friends & workers become aware of it and the devastating effect it is having on their salvation, joy peace & fellowship. Ross is funding an extension on his church to accommodate the hundreds of friends whose eyes will be opened after reading his lovingly prepared thesis. That's a complement Review. I'm happy to be a clone of Ross but matt10 is not even close. I wish you and Bert could actually make up your minds on that walker person.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2017 1:55:48 GMT -5
I'm feeling quite hunchy too. I think it's likely Ross, Matt 10, enuf and walker 1903 are clone quadruplets. Heard Ross is also doing a thesis on the living witness doctrine so that friends & workers become aware of it and the devastating effect it is having on their salvation, joy peace & fellowship. Ross is funding an extension on his church to accommodate the hundreds of friends whose eyes will be opened after reading his lovingly prepared thesis. I worked out long ago who you go to get personal information on me - no surprises there. I'm not doing a thesis on the Living Witness Doctrine but I said to the person I was, just to see if it would get back to you - it works! The church is growing so yes we will have to expand to fit people in. First I knew about me funding the whole extension. With the unethical tactics that you (and your information suppliers) use to obtain personal information (remember Lloyd F) no professing person would ever post on TMB under their real name because they would be targeted by you and your acolytes. That's why I said to John Fields - anything you post mate you need to expect that it will go straight back to the UK Head Worker. What a sorry system you are in. And you call it the Truth. What a joke You know what happens when you try and get too close though - don't go there if you enjoy your current job. Review is actually quite mild by worker standards. There have been some right sausage tossers I have met. By far the worst would have been David Megaw, a NZer who was sent to Australia ( did you get my sympathy card) where he died. John the bastard (Australian who was sent to NZ) was another nasty piece of work who was fond of saying that the workers have the keys to heaven. The common denominator in all these nasty types is that given a little power it goes to their heads and in no time they become a pain in everyone elses. I am pleased for you Ross that you have escaped the tyranny of this lot. I know I am glad to be rid of them.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2017 2:59:05 GMT -5
I'm feeling quite hunchy too. I think it's likely Ross, Matt 10, enuf and walker 1903 are clone quadruplets. Heard Ross is also doing a thesis on the living witness doctrine so that friends & workers become aware of it and the devastating effect it is having on their salvation, joy peace & fellowship. Ross is funding an extension on his church to accommodate the hundreds of friends whose eyes will be opened after reading his lovingly prepared thesis. I worked out long ago who you go to get personal information on me - no surprises there. I'm not doing a thesis on the Living Witness Doctrine but I said to the person I was, just to see if it would get back to you - it works!The church is growing so yes we will have to expand to fit people in. First I knew about me funding the whole extension. With the unethical tactics that you (and your information suppliers) use to obtain personal information (remember Lloyd F) no professing person would ever post on TMB under their real name because they would be targeted by you and your acolytes. That's why I said to John Fields - anything you post mate you need to expect that it will go straight back to the UK Head Worker. What a sorry system you are in. And you call it the Truth. What a joke You know what happens when you try and get too close though - don't go there if you enjoy your current job. Good for you, Ross! Clever tactic!
I'll have to remember to keep that tactic in my own bag of tools!
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