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Post by iamsaved on Feb 23, 2017 13:46:16 GMT -5
After believing this ridiculous story for a very long time and now picking up the pieces from partaking in the insanity they call the 2x2s I just want to know why an all powerful and LOVING god would choose this barbaric example of how a saviour should die, why not something positive? Then we had to every week partake in a ritual of drinking grape juice and pretending it was jesus blood! I didn't ask anyone to die so I'm not going to feel guilty about it, plus it was two thousand years ago, he didn't even know me! A tad presumptuous! I'm just angry I used to get emotionally involved in this myth and am still adjusting to the exit process
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 14:07:35 GMT -5
for whatever reason when sin occurs blood must be shed, it was handled temporarily in the OT with the blood of aninmals but a better sinless sacrifice was needed that would be PERMANENT which is Christ.
oh he knows you for sure whether you believe in him or not...
thats the beauty of it you didn't ask for it to be done but God loved you and knows whats best for you that he did it anyways....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:45:38 GMT -5
for whatever reason when sin occurs blood must be shed, it was handled temporarily in the OT with the blood of aninmals but a better sinless sacrifice was needed that would be PERMANENT which is Christ. oh he knows you for sure whether you believe in him or not... thats the beauty of it you didn't ask for it to be done but God loved you and knows whats best for you that he did it anyways.... What a lot of nonsense. If you'd started by showing that you'd even the slightest idea as to the reason why 'when sin occurs blood must be shed' it would at least provided some basis for what you go on to say. But the fact that you clearly have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why 'blood must be shed' is a pretty good indication that there is no reason whatsoever. Moving on to what is meant by 'sin' and you run into the fundamental problem as to what 'sin' actually is. It seems you simply make it up as you go along and therefore sin can be whatever you want it to be. When I was growing up it was a sin to have a device on which you could watch television, watch videos, listen to pop music or listen to the radio in the home. Apparently this is no longer a sin anymore. We are in this world but we are not of this world. What a load of baloney. And then you go on to talk about the Old Testament and the blood of animals. My goodness. The OT is nothing but a record of the spilled blood of human beings where the God whom you claim loves you, and wants the best for you, seems to spend his entire time in a genocidal fit slaughtering the innocent whether it's the entire population of the world in Noah's time, the first born child of every family throughout the entire nation of Egypt or all those poor Amalekite women and children. And when he's not engaged in wholesale slaughter he's either demanding that people sacrifice their children, turning women into pillars of salt or making Job's life an absolute misery. Where is the beauty in any of that? The idea that God loves you is simply a myth. God doesn't give a hoot about you. You could get run over by a steam roller tomorrow and your entire family perish in an air disaster the day after and God would not care one wit. Of course it will give you a warm fuzzy felling believing that he cares but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 21:12:20 GMT -5
for whatever reason when sin occurs blood must be shed, it was handled temporarily in the OT with the blood of aninmals but a better sinless sacrifice was needed that would be PERMANENT which is Christ. oh he knows you for sure whether you believe in him or not... thats the beauty of it you didn't ask for it to be done but God loved you and knows whats best for you that he did it anyways.... What a lot of nonsense. If you'd started by showing that you'd even the slightest idea as to the reason why 'when sin occurs blood must be shed' it would at least provided some basis for what you go on to say. But the fact that you clearly have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why 'blood must be shed' is a pretty good indication that there is no reason whatsoever. Moving on to what is meant by 'sin' and you run into the fundamental problem as to what 'sin' actually is. It seems you simply make it up as you go along and therefore sin can be whatever you want it to be. When I was growing up it was a sin to have a device on which you could watch television, watch videos, listen to pop music or listen to the radio in the home. Apparently this is no longer a sin anymore. We are in this world but we are not of this world. What a load of baloney. And then you go on to talk about the Old Testament and the blood of animals. My goodness. The OT is nothing but a record of the spilled blood of human beings where the God whom you claim loves you, and wants the best for you, seems to spend his entire time in a genocidal fit slaughtering the innocent whether it's the entire population of the world in Noah's time, the first born child of every family throughout the entire nation of Egypt or all those poor Amalekite women and children. And when he's not engaged in wholesale slaughter he's either demanding that people sacrifice their children, turning women into pillars of salt or making Job's life an absolute misery. Where is the beauty in any of that? The idea that God loves you is simply a myth. God doesn't give a hoot about you. You could get run over by a steam roller tomorrow and your entire family perish in an air disaster the day after and God would not care one wit. Of course it will give you a warm fuzzy felling believing that he cares but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't. Matt10 it starts with adam and eve getting goatskins clothing(blood shed)for their sin. then moves on to animal sacrifices of abel and the children of isreal especially the passover meal which is a forerunner to Christ. sin was a number of things including transgression of the law. what did i make up? the egyptians and amelekites were killed because they transgressed against isreal you know eye for an eye. the beauty i was speaking of was Christ sacrifice as planned by God. I'm living proof of Gods love. your bitterness is showing matt10...therapy may be in order...good bloviation/rant though...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 23:56:02 GMT -5
What a lot of nonsense. If you'd started by showing that you'd even the slightest idea as to the reason why 'when sin occurs blood must be shed' it would at least provided some basis for what you go on to say. But the fact that you clearly have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why 'blood must be shed' is a pretty good indication that there is no reason whatsoever. Moving on to what is meant by 'sin' and you run into the fundamental problem as to what 'sin' actually is. It seems you simply make it up as you go along and therefore sin can be whatever you want it to be. When I was growing up it was a sin to have a device on which you could watch television, watch videos, listen to pop music or listen to the radio in the home. Apparently this is no longer a sin anymore. We are in this world but we are not of this world. What a load of baloney. And then you go on to talk about the Old Testament and the blood of animals. My goodness. The OT is nothing but a record of the spilled blood of human beings where the God whom you claim loves you, and wants the best for you, seems to spend his entire time in a genocidal fit slaughtering the innocent whether it's the entire population of the world in Noah's time, the first born child of every family throughout the entire nation of Egypt or all those poor Amalekite women and children. And when he's not engaged in wholesale slaughter he's either demanding that people sacrifice their children, turning women into pillars of salt or making Job's life an absolute misery. Where is the beauty in any of that? The idea that God loves you is simply a myth. God doesn't give a hoot about you. You could get run over by a steam roller tomorrow and your entire family perish in an air disaster the day after and God would not care one wit. Of course it will give you a warm fuzzy felling believing that he cares but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't. Matt10 it starts with adam and eve getting goatskins clothing(blood shed)for their sin. then moves on to animal sacrifices of abel and the children of isreal especially the passover meal which is a forerunner to Christ. sin was a number of things including transgression of the law. what did i make up? the egyptians and amelekites were killed because they transgressed against isreal you know eye for an eye. the beauty i was speaking of was Christ sacrifice as planned by God. I'm living proof of Gods love. your bitterness is showing matt10...therapy may be in order...good bloviation/rant though... Ah, come on Wally. Surely you guys are not still playing that old one. If you disagree with us you're bitter. If you don't follow us you're unwilling. You have to catch up. Fewer and fewer people are believing this stuff. You'll have to a lot better than that to convince them. Matt10
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Post by iamsaved on Feb 24, 2017 8:13:16 GMT -5
It seems some believe and some don't! It seems unfair a god would make us believe something there is absolutly no evidence for whatsoever, and put out trust in the nonsensical event of two thousand years ago, what utter baloney! Why can't our ministers/workers or priests do the same miracles as jesus despite jesus saying we can do the things he could and more?! Would love to see tommie gamble turn a glass of water into a nice merlot! Another thing why in 2x2 system do they call workers uncle and auntie? It's really creepy and perverse! I think Christianity is the biggest lie ever cleverly designed to keep people stupid and the church wealthy, it's about time people woke up and see where the story origenated from! Think the 2x2 system is slowly dying, I think it will implode, with the various scandals they are creating, eg Herbie Jennings the latest!!
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Post by maryhig on Feb 24, 2017 8:20:40 GMT -5
After believing this ridiculous story for a very long time and now picking up the pieces from partaking in the insanity they call the 2x2s I just want to know why an all powerful and LOVING god would choose this barbaric example of how a saviour should die, why not something positive? Then we had to every week partake in a ritual of drinking grape juice and pretending it was jesus blood! I didn't ask anyone to die so I'm not going to feel guilty about it, plus it was two thousand years ago, he didn't even know me! A tad presumptuous! I'm just angry I used to get emotionally involved in this myth and am still adjusting to the exit process Every time I seem to come on here the first post I see is regarding the cross, and I don't come here often! I'm not a 2x2 but I came out through my uncle who went to Edward cooney's meetings. I don't see the cross as others do, and in our meetings we drink juice (wine) to remember his life not his death. Jesus said to drink it in rememberence of him, not in rememberence of his death on the cross. Jesus was crucified by wicked men and murdered. His life saves not his death. We are saved by the grace of God through faith What do you believe in now? Thanks
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Post by iamsaved on Feb 24, 2017 10:57:51 GMT -5
I believe that I should treat others the way I like to be treated, and I don't need religion to instruct me in this! I do not believe a man called jesus died for anyone, or is coming back in a fluffy white cloud! It's a bonkers belief system that any adult would believe this story or indeed any literal interpretation of bible! Any each to their own, live and let live and all that! I think it's a big fat lie and it is keeping people down.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 25, 2017 2:24:50 GMT -5
for whatever reason when sin occurs blood must be shed, it was handled temporarily in the OT with the blood of aninmals but a better sinless sacrifice was needed that would be PERMANENT which is Christ. oh he knows you for sure whether you believe in him or not... thats the beauty of it you didn't ask for it to be done but God loved you and knows whats best for you that he did it anyways.... You forgot to add the bit at the end of that statement. It should read. God loves you and know whats best for you and needs your money now.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 25, 2017 4:35:20 GMT -5
I believe that I should treat others the way I like to be treated, and I don't need religion to instruct me in this! I do not believe a man called jesus died for anyone, or is coming back in a fluffy white cloud! It's a bonkers belief system that any adult would believe this story or indeed any literal interpretation of bible! Any each to their own, live and let live and all that! I think it's a big fat lie and it is keeping people down. The Bible is full of deeper meanings, just as the seed and the water have deeper meanings, so does the cloud and the blood. And Jesus lived for everyone. Jesus said he was born and came into this world to bare witness to the truth, and those who are of the truth hear his voice! (John 17) He came to bare witness to the truth, he came to bring the word of God, preaching the gospel and living it out, showing us a new and living way to live before God, and he was our perfect example. And all those who are truly born of God follow him and live it out. Denying themselves, turning from sin, baring their cross and laying down their lives for God and others following Jesus. You say that you don't need religion to instruct you on how to live, and you are right, but we do need God, because without God we are tossed too and fro by Satan, he has us under his control in chains of darkness and we don't realise this until God opens our eyes. God showed me what I was really like, I didn't realise that how I was living was wrong. I know now in my heart that I am to turn away from the world and the works of the flesh and live by the will of God. And the holy spirit is teaching me and guiding me daily to live right before God. God has blessed me, and through Christ by the Spirit he has shone a great light upon me, Jesus is the light of the world, and not only is he showing me the way, but he's revealing all the wrong that is within me. Just like when you walk into a room that has been empty for a long time and switch the light on, not only does the light show you the way to walk through, but it also shows you the dust that needs cleaning up. God is guiding me and showing me my sins and helping me to overcome them daily because I am walking in the light of Christ, I'm not in darkness anymore, I have been brought from darkness into the light as from death to life. And I'm truly blessed. I hope that you come back to God, you may not need a religion but you do need him. He is your creator and he is always there waiting for us to turn back to him. He loves us deeply look how he shines the sun every day, never burning out, he sends the wind refreshed for us to breathe, he sends the rain for us to drink and to soften hard ground for planting, he gives us food to eat and light to see. How can anyone not believe in God when there is proof everywhere of his existence? No man can make a seed and make it grow, we can't make water or keep the sun burning, we can't cover the world with light and darkness, we can't make planets or make the moon to shine at night. There has to be a higher mind behind it all, a mind far greater than we can ever be. There has to be a living God because he brings life to us every day, without him there would be no life!
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Post by maryhig on Feb 25, 2017 4:45:55 GMT -5
for whatever reason when sin occurs blood must be shed, it was handled temporarily in the OT with the blood of aninmals but a better sinless sacrifice was needed that would be PERMANENT which is Christ. oh he knows you for sure whether you believe in him or not... thats the beauty of it you didn't ask for it to be done but God loved you and knows whats best for you that he did it anyways.... You forgot to add the bit at the end of that statement. It should read. God loves you and know whats best for you and needs your money now. Money has nothing to do with God, it is of this world and the love if it is of Satan. We should be earning to live not living to earn. We are to give those who govern us that which belongs to them, and give to God that which belongs to God! Share when we see the need loving God with all our heart and love one another as Christ has loved us, and be a good neighbour to all we meet bringing the love and life of Christ to others. Those born of God trust in him. We can't serve God and mammon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 4:51:07 GMT -5
I believe that I should treat others the way I like to be treated, and I don't need religion to instruct me in this! I do not believe a man called jesus died for anyone, or is coming back in a fluffy white cloud! It's a bonkers belief system that any adult would believe this story or indeed any literal interpretation of bible! Any each to their own, live and let live and all that! I think it's a big fat lie and it is keeping people down. Hey! wait a minute, you are quoting the golden rule here, that is in/ written in the bible my friend; where else did you get that idea?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 4:57:25 GMT -5
What a lot of nonsense. If you'd started by showing that you'd even the slightest idea as to the reason why 'when sin occurs blood must be shed' it would at least provided some basis for what you go on to say. But the fact that you clearly have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why 'blood must be shed' is a pretty good indication that there is no reason whatsoever. Moving on to what is meant by 'sin' and you run into the fundamental problem as to what 'sin' actually is. It seems you simply make it up as you go along and therefore sin can be whatever you want it to be. When I was growing up it was a sin to have a device on which you could watch television, watch videos, listen to pop music or listen to the radio in the home. Apparently this is no longer a sin anymore. We are in this world but we are not of this world. What a load of baloney. And then you go on to talk about the Old Testament and the blood of animals. My goodness. The OT is nothing but a record of the spilled blood of human beings where the God whom you claim loves you, and wants the best for you, seems to spend his entire time in a genocidal fit slaughtering the innocent whether it's the entire population of the world in Noah's time, the first born child of every family throughout the entire nation of Egypt or all those poor Amalekite women and children. And when he's not engaged in wholesale slaughter he's either demanding that people sacrifice their children, turning women into pillars of salt or making Job's life an absolute misery. Where is the beauty in any of that? The idea that God loves you is simply a myth. God doesn't give a hoot about you. You could get run over by a steam roller tomorrow and your entire family perish in an air disaster the day after and God would not care one wit. Of course it will give you a warm fuzzy felling believing that he cares but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't. Matt10 it starts with adam and eve getting goatskins clothing(blood shed)for their sin. then moves on to animal sacrifices of abel and the children of isreal especially the passover meal which is a forerunner to Christ. sin was a number of things including transgression of the law. what did i make up? the egyptians and amelekites were killed because they transgressed against isreal you know eye for an eye. the beauty i was speaking of was Christ sacrifice as planned by God. I'm living proof of Gods love. your bitterness is showing matt10...therapy may be in order...good bloviation/rant though... What you really don't understand, wally, is that it isn't Matt's "bitterness" showing; -it is his "intelligence" showing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 5:08:24 GMT -5
it starts with adam and eve getting goatskins clothing(blood shed)for their sin. then moves on to animal sacrifices of abel and the children of isreal especially the passover meal which is a forerunner to Christ. sin was a number of things including transgression of the law. what did i make up? the egyptians and amelekites were killed because they transgressed against isreal you know eye for an eye. the beauty i was speaking of was Christ sacrifice as planned by God. I'm living proof of Gods love. your bitterness is showing matt10...therapy may be in order...good bloviation/rant though... What you really don't understand, wally, is that it isn't Matt's "bitterness" showing; -it is his "intelligence" showing. Or lack of it spiritually???
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 5:09:34 GMT -5
I believe that I should treat others the way I like to be treated, and I don't need religion to instruct me in this! I do not believe a man called jesus died for anyone, or is coming back in a fluffy white cloud! It's a bonkers belief system that any adult would believe this story or indeed any literal interpretation of bible! Any each to their own, live and let live and all that! I think it's a big fat lie and it is keeping people down. Hey! wait a minute, you are quoting the golden rule here, that is in written in the bible my friend; where else did you get that idea? We get that idea from lots of places, my friend!
The bible has no patent rights on the Golden Rule! The golden rule
The Golden Rule or law of reciprocity is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism seen in many human religions and human cultures.[1][2]
The concept occurs in some form in nearly every religion[4][5] and ethical tradition.[6] It can also be explained from the perspectives of psychology, philosophy, sociology, human evolution, and economics. Psychologically, it involves a person empathizing with others. Philosophically, it involves a person perceiving their neighbor also as "I" or "self".[7]
Sociologically, 'love your neighbor as yourself' is applicable between individuals, between groups, and also between individuals and groups. In evolution, "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.[8] In economics,
Richard Swift, referring to ideas from David Graeber, suggests that "without some kind of reciprocity society would no longer be able to exist."[9] wiki
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Post by maryhig on Feb 25, 2017 5:14:59 GMT -5
Hey! wait a minute, you are quoting the golden rule here, that is in written in the bible my friend; where else did you get that idea? We get that idea from lots of places, my friend!
The bible has no patent rights on the Golden Rule! The golden rule
The Golden Rule or law of reciprocity is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism seen in many human religions and human cultures.[1][2]
The concept occurs in some form in nearly every religion[4][5] and ethical tradition.[6] It can also be explained from the perspectives of psychology, philosophy, sociology, human evolution, and economics. Psychologically, it involves a person empathizing with others. Philosophically, it involves a person perceiving their neighbor also as "I" or "self".[7]
Sociologically, 'love your neighbor as yourself' is applicable between individuals, between groups, and also between individuals and groups. In evolution, "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.[8] In economics,
Richard Swift, referring to ideas from David Graeber, suggests that "without some kind of reciprocity society would no longer be able to exist."[9] wikiAnd guess what, it all comes from what Jesus taught
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 5:43:00 GMT -5
We get that idea from lots of places, my friend!
The bible has no patent rights on the Golden Rule! The golden rule
The Golden Rule or law of reciprocity is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism seen in many human religions and human cultures.[1][2]
The concept occurs in some form in nearly every religion[4][5] and ethical tradition.[6] It can also be explained from the perspectives of psychology, philosophy, sociology, human evolution, and economics. Psychologically, it involves a person empathizing with others. Philosophically, it involves a person perceiving their neighbor also as "I" or "self".[7]
Sociologically, 'love your neighbor as yourself' is applicable between individuals, between groups, and also between individuals and groups. In evolution, "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.[8] In economics,
Richard Swift, referring to ideas from David Graeber, suggests that "without some kind of reciprocity society would no longer be able to exist."[9] wiki And guess what, it all comes from what Jesus taught Oh yes, and Jesus was before any of these other folks, long before.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 5:53:47 GMT -5
We get that idea from lots of places, my friend!
The bible has no patent rights on the Golden Rule! The golden rule
The Golden Rule or law of reciprocity is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism seen in many human religions and human cultures.[1][2]
The concept occurs in some form in nearly every religion[4][5] and ethical tradition.[6] It can also be explained from the perspectives of psychology, philosophy, sociology, human evolution, and economics. Psychologically, it involves a person empathizing with others. Philosophically, it involves a person perceiving their neighbor also as "I" or "self".[7]
Sociologically, 'love your neighbor as yourself' is applicable between individuals, between groups, and also between individuals and groups. In evolution, "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.[8] In economics,
Richard Swift, referring to ideas from David Graeber, suggests that "without some kind of reciprocity society would no longer be able to exist."[9] wiki And guess what, it all comes from what Jesus taught And guess what?
It didn't come from what Jesus taught.
It was taught & practised long before the 2,000 years ago when Jesus was purported to have lived! "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 5:57:30 GMT -5
And guess what, it all comes from what Jesus taught Oh yes, and Jesus was before any of these other folks, long before. Oh, I know what you are claiming by saying that "Jesus was before any of these other folks!"
But Jesus wasn't here on the earth "teaching!"
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Post by maryhig on Feb 25, 2017 6:07:23 GMT -5
And guess what, it all comes from what Jesus taught And guess what?
It didn't come from what Jesus taught.
It was taught & practised long before the 2,000 years ago when Jesus was purported to have lived! "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family.Jesus taught and spoke everything that God gave him to speak and he lived it out. All true love comes from God. But the difference with Gods love and fleshly love is flesh loves flesh and those of the flesh love themselves first and foremost and like Satan, they have no thought for God. God has always taught that we should love our neighbour as ourselves but Jesus Christ also lived it and bore witness to the truth, leaving us a perfect example to follow. Leviticus 19 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD God has always taught us to love our neighbour, it comes from God not from man!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 6:21:24 GMT -5
What you really don't understand, wally, is that it isn't Matt's "bitterness" showing; -it is his "intelligence" showing. Or lack of it spiritually??? "Spiritually" really doesn't need to have anything to do with a belief stories that are only myths and have no basis in reality.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2017 6:41:32 GMT -5
And guess what?
It didn't come from what Jesus taught.
It was taught & practised long before the 2,000 years ago when Jesus was purported to have lived! "reciprocal altruism", is seen as a distinctive advance in the capacity of human groups to survive and reproduce, as their exceptional brains demanded exceptionally long child-hoods and on-going provision and protection even beyond that of the immediate family. Jesus taught and spoke everything that God gave him to speak and he lived it out. All love comes from God. But the difference with God and flesh is flesh loves flesh and those of the flesh love themselves first and foremost and like Satan, they have no thought for God. God has always taught that we should love our neighbour as ourselves but Jesus Christ also lived it and bore witness to the truth, leaving us a perfect example to follow. Leviticus 19 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD God has always taught us to love our neighbour, it comes from God not from man! If "God has always taught us to love our neighbour," I wonder why god told Samuel this. 1 Samuel 15:1-23 New International Version (NIV)
15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
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Post by maryhig on Feb 25, 2017 6:50:16 GMT -5
Jesus taught and spoke everything that God gave him to speak and he lived it out. All love comes from God. But the difference with God and flesh is flesh loves flesh and those of the flesh love themselves first and foremost and like Satan, they have no thought for God. God has always taught that we should love our neighbour as ourselves but Jesus Christ also lived it and bore witness to the truth, leaving us a perfect example to follow. Leviticus 19 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD God has always taught us to love our neighbour, it comes from God not from man! If "God has always taught us to love our neighbour," I wonder why god told Samuel this. 1 Samuel 15:1-23 New International Version (NIV)
15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
And that's the truth, we are not to spare anyone even our own, we are to put to death sin. But not as you see it with fleshly eyes but with the sword of the spirit which is the word of God. Paul said this 2 Corinthians 10 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. And this Ephesians 6 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 6:57:15 GMT -5
What God does is well done, He knows best and we cannot question God.
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Post by iamsaved on Feb 25, 2017 10:20:13 GMT -5
It's only a book people!!! When it sprouts wings and flies down from heaven then I will take that as a sign it should be taken seriously!!! Until then it was written by man possibly as a form of control, I used to feel indebted to this man who was meant to have died for me but guess what I started to realise I never asked him to so leave me out of it!!!
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Post by Admin on Feb 25, 2017 16:54:49 GMT -5
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 25, 2017 18:53:47 GMT -5
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." That's the interesting thing about the bible. There is enough scary stuff in it that a fool would believe it is best to believe in it. The bible is very reward based. Do X and get Y. It's a shame that Y does not exist except in the minds of the believers. Take away that reward and how many of you would believe?
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Post by Grant on Feb 25, 2017 19:36:22 GMT -5
I love worshipping God. We all do things we enjoy. Don't you do things because you enjoy doing them. Many people believe in a higher power and I don't know if they think there is a heaven or hell in the end. Would you stay in a job or relationship that you didn't like or would you look for something that you enjoyed.
For me believing and worshipping God is not about something in the distant but for the joy I get from life and worshipping God in the here and now regardless if there is any reward in the end. Of course if the reward for anything was negative I wouldn't do it. I don't think about the reward in the end but the here and now.
Do people work just for the money or do they work for satisfaction and a host of other reasons. Some might just work for money but you will find for most it is more than that. Job satisfaction is also important with money only being a part of that. Some people work voluntary with no pay. The same with heaven or hell. Some might do it for the final reward but for me and I guess many people it brings then joy in the here and now.
Do you curly just do things only if there is some reward in it for you or do you do things for other reasons?
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