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Post by Grant on Dec 13, 2017 16:49:50 GMT -5
Sadly though, these 'humans' feel that other 'humans' should follow them, obey them in all things and not question even though they may be wrong. Unfortunately we get that in other walks of life too. It is very much part of human nature. It is visible in the military, in the Police forces and even in the teaching profession to some extent. An urge to demonstrate power and authority over others. Sometimes it is a case of don't do as I do, do as I say. Agree, power over others happens in all walks of life, with or without religion. Religion is only an excuse for the religious and non religious. It would happen even if religion never existed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:19:42 GMT -5
Don't be sad. Workers have been messing up since the sect began. Sometimes small-time; sometimes big-time. It's nothing new. And they'll continue to mess up while the sect surives. Similarly people have been quitting meetings since the sect began. Of course the difference now may well be that people are quitting in ever greater numbers but that's nothing to do with the end of time. It's more than likely down to the fact that the history of the sect and all its bizarre goings on are so publicly available now that only a fool would buy into the Only Way stuff these days. And without the lure of the Only Way there is no longer any reason for the disaffected to stay. Matt10 If anything, it proves that workers are humans too and are subjected to human weaknesses and failures just like the rest of us.The " way" may be perfect but those within the way are far from being perfect.We are all weak vessels. What exactly is this ‘way’ that you claim is perfect and what is the relationship between the workers you refer to and this ‘way’ that I am asking you to explain? And how do you conclude that the ‘way’ you refer to is perfect? (That’s three questions there.) Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 3:45:56 GMT -5
If anything, it proves that workers are humans too and are subjected to human weaknesses and failures just like the rest of us.The " way" may be perfect but those within the way are far from being perfect.We are all weak vessels. What exactly is this ‘way’ that you claim is perfect and what is the relationship between the workers you refer to and this ‘way’ that I am asking you to explain? And how do you conclude that the ‘way’ you refer to is perfect? (That’s three questions there.) Matt10 You were on this forum from way back when and you have been asking such questions as I recall. If after all this time you have not found the answers to satisfy your unbelief then it looks like you will have to quit looking on here and look elsewhere.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 14, 2017 5:38:33 GMT -5
Sadly though, these 'humans' feel that other 'humans' should follow them, obey them in all things and not question even though they may be wrong. Unfortunately we get that in other walks of life too. It is very much part of human nature. It is visible in the military, in the Police forces and even in the teaching profession to some extent. An urge to demonstrate power and authority over others. Sometimes it is a case of don't do as I do, do as I say. I keep hearing that phrase over & over again that it is "human nature," -but does that mean that one should just stand by, accept it and not attempt to control it when it is hurting other people?
Wasn't the urge to "demonstrate power and authority over others" the cause of slavery, sexist behavior toward women; -actually behavior over anyone else that a person or group of people who were stronger and in the position to do so?
Can't we at the least denounce it as wrong to treat others that way & try to control the "human nature" when it is impacting negatively on other people?
What happened to the idea of "treating others as one would want to be treated?"
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Post by snow on Dec 14, 2017 12:59:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately we get that in other walks of life too. It is very much part of human nature. It is visible in the military, in the Police forces and even in the teaching profession to some extent. An urge to demonstrate power and authority over others. Sometimes it is a case of don't do as I do, do as I say. Agree, power over others happens in all walks of life, with or without religion. Religion is only an excuse for the religious and non religious. It would happen even if religion never existed. I agree it can happen in all areas. But when people use religion it seems to have extra repercussions. When you talk about an eternity of hell and torture, that ups the 'negatives' and makes people more zealous. Not to say there can't be zealous members of any organization, but we see it more often and to a higher degree when religion is involved. We saw what normal people did in god's name during the inquisition and crusades and other events throughout Christian history. When people are threatened with a horrific after life, it makes them far more open to doing things they wouldn't do normally. And I also agree, religion is used as an excuse for both the religious and the non religious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 13:35:50 GMT -5
What exactly is this ‘way’ that you claim is perfect and what is the relationship between the workers you refer to and this ‘way’ that I am asking you to explain? And how do you conclude that the ‘way’ you refer to is perfect? (That’s three questions there.) Matt10 You were on this forum from way back when and you have been asking such questions as I recall. If after all this time you have not found the answers to satisfy your unbelief then it looks like you will have to quit looking on here and look elsewhere. I’m not looking to satisfy my unbelief. I’m merely challenging you to determine either you are presenting mere rhetoric or whether there is any substance to it. Inevitably it appears to be rhetoric as you can’t exolain your statements. I heard a quote the other day that said, when rhetoric meets reality, reality always wins. That’s one nil to reality. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 14:23:34 GMT -5
Well it should be the truth, the truth, and nothing but the truth, because God hates a liar. The truth should set us free. I may be off the Thread subject and excuse me for that but.....That line is so interesting to think upon....it would appear folk have different perceptions as to what that means....surely ?? I’m thinking in relation to why addressing the foundation of the ‘meetings church’ is so difficult.?? I personally am not concerned if Mickey Mouse started it but my concern is - just simply, be honest ( like we tell the kids at school).... and offer some apology on behalf of the dear folk, departed and those living. Yes, it meant a lot to them to know this way had no founder ( as it was so often preached). Please don’t respond that Jesus Christ started this group way as that is not my point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:36:31 GMT -5
Well it should be the truth, the truth, and nothing but the truth, because God hates a liar. The truth should set us free. I may be off Thread subject and excuse me for that but.....That line is so interesting to think upon....it would appear folk have different perceptions as to what that means....surely...I’m thinking in relation to why addressing the foundation of the ‘meetings church’ is so difficult.?? I personally am not concerned if Mickey Mouse started it but my concern is - just simply, be honest ( like we tell the kids and school).... and offer some apology on behalf of the dear folk, departed and those living. Yes, it meant a lot to them to know this way had no founder ( as it was so often preached). Please don’t respond that Jesus Christ started this group way as that is not my point. Speak the truth and speak it ever, cost you what it will. "The real truth" is not falsehood, it is not fake it is not lies it is real and l genuine. To name or call something "the truth" it should meet and stand up to that definition. If it does not, then obviously it is not the truth. Does the fellowship stand up to that definition, well you opinion is as good as mine. What I will venture to say that those in it are not perfect so it would suggest to me that it is not 100 percent perfect. Is it the perfect way of God? Your opinion\guess is as good as mine, I am not sure because of possible contamination that might have crept in Over a period of time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 4:29:03 GMT -5
Did they have wife swapping in NI like they did in Taranaki NZ in the late 60's. More than likely so. Temptation can be over powering.Humen weakness all started with Adam and Eve.
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