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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 4:02:12 GMT -5
There is a very serious problem on this forum, people jump to conclusions and pronounce judgments on others based on "hear say" and possibly malice, without even knowing the real facts about any particular case. That is sickening and dangerous. Judge that you be not judged.......
It is not in our place to pass judgment on anyone, but if we feel that we need to offer comments, we should base them on irrefutable facts, not biased and prejudiced guess work.
I agree. Many workers have led the charge over the years by judging all and sundry and "standing down" people over all kinds of things. That is sickening and dangerous. I agree, and I have not excluded anyone. I very often quote this one:" woe unto the shepherds that scatter the flock." It is not a case of do as I/we do, but more a case of do as I/we say, with some folks, but God, the righteous judge, is watching every move that we make; well that is my belief anyway.
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Post by janj on Feb 14, 2017 12:17:49 GMT -5
I agree. Many workers have led the charge over the years by judging all and sundry and "standing down" people over all kinds of things. That is sickening and dangerous. I could not agree more Ross. When I was professing, I was spoken to several times by workers who had heard such and such about me. All of it was untrue but I was still to be punished. How delightful it is now to serve them up with their own sh-. They sure don't like being given what they give. What a sad post. An adult person has so little in their lives that they actually admit they enjoy wrongfully judging others. Becoming a non believer has surely filled your life with good,positive,meaningful things!!
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2017 13:13:10 GMT -5
I could not agree more Ross. When I was professing, I was spoken to several times by workers who had heard such and such about me. All of it was untrue but I was still to be punished. How delightful it is now to serve them up with their own sh-. They sure don't like being given what they give. What a sad post. An adult person has so little in their lives that they actually admit they enjoy wrongfully judging others. Becoming a non believer has surely filled your life with good,positive,meaningful things!! Why did you add to curly's post something he didn't write, review005. Curly did not write the 2ND part of the post, you did.
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Post by janj on Feb 14, 2017 14:06:37 GMT -5
Why did you add to curly's post something he didn't write, review005. Curly did not005 write the 2ND part of his post, you did. No Enuf I did. For some reason when posting on my phone I can't seem to separate my reply from the original. By the way I an not review005,actually far removed from him but non the less saddened by someone who admits he enjoys miss judging others.
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Post by rational on Feb 14, 2017 14:40:34 GMT -5
Sometimes people ask to borrow my chainsaw or trailer. I always reply by asking if I can borrow their wife. Boy...I bet that wife rushes out and buys her husband a trailer and two chainsaws!! A win-win-win situation...
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 14, 2017 18:21:55 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with you. But when a problem arises in the 2x2's (not only them) the irrefutable facts are a big hush hush and therefore the rumor mill starts grinding. When something of this magnitude happens it should be declared with out bias towards the perpetrator or victim as neither side has been proven guilty. I wonder why the accuser wasn't prepared to sign his name if he was certain of what had happened They tried sweeping NT under the carpet but the Kees put their name to the accusation - and were proved right years ago. The rumor mill grinds when irrefutable facts are withheld. Never judge until you've heard both sides Based on what the workers put the Kees through and what they personally suffered, why would anyone sign their name to it? The Kees stood firmly for truth but they paid dearly in dealing with a severely corrupted system. On the heinous issue of CSA, people have gone to workers in Australia with complaints, in many cases little has been done and the complainant has been victimised. Pressure was brought to bear on people (a) not to go to police and (b) not to make complaints and a significant amount of money was spent on a leading psychologist who had assisted one of Australia's leading criminals to protect the workers. I agree with you and it was filled with fairness that I said this NOT bearing in mind the cost of being such action I am more than aware of how the workers AND some of the Hierarchy friends treat the victims and complainants of their actioms I am filled with admiration for the Kee Clan and it hurts to see how they were treated Many more have been treated likewise but at this stage are suffering in almost silence I know the Rule Book - Page 1 - Thou shalt never question what a worker or wealthy yes man brother ever does or says Page 2 - The worker / wealthy yes man brother is always right - in the event of this being untrue please return and read page 1 Page 3 - I f you don't comply we will blacklist you and shun you and blame you for everything that ever happens Page 4 - The bible and Christ's teachings only come in to effect when Rule Book has been adhered to
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 15, 2017 1:21:34 GMT -5
Why did you add to curly's post something he didn't write, review005. Curly did not005 write the 2ND part of his post, you did. No Enuf I did. For some reason when posting on my phone I can't seem to separate my reply from the original. By the way I an not review005,actually far removed from him but non the less saddened by someone who admits he enjoys miss judging others. No mis judging at all. Once the scales falls from ones eyes these so called gods servants clearly have feet of clay.
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Post by kenco69 on Oct 22, 2017 12:04:48 GMT -5
Getting back to the to the beginning of this post and concern for HJ, siblings and the younger generation. Is it true that HJ is not only left the work but no longer attends meetings at all. Is it true that both generations of the Dunraymond folk don't go either I did hear before the HJ issue that 2 of his siblings and a younger generation don't attend Hope they still hold God uppermost in their live
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Post by toparrow on Oct 26, 2017 7:37:26 GMT -5
Why do you blame TG. Leave this Godless group.
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Post by emerald on Nov 10, 2017 11:55:32 GMT -5
Getting back to the to the beginning of this post and concern for HJ, siblings and the younger generation. Is it true that HJ is not only left the work but no longer attends meetings at all. Is it true that both generations of the Dunraymond folk don't go either I did hear before the HJ issue that 2 of his siblings and a younger generation don't attend Hope they still hold God uppermost in their live HJ still attends, he's back on the list for Specials. He never left. Both generations of Dunraymond folk still attend and the meeting is still in their homes - or were of a few weeks ago. I'd hardly think anything has changed in that time. HJ has two half-siblings who don't go to meetings. That's very old news, they've not been to the meetings in years- or at least haven't taken part.
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Post by rational on Nov 11, 2017 20:00:31 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with you. But when a problem arises in the 2x2's (not only them) the irrefutable facts are a big hush hush and therefore the rumor mill starts grinding. When something of this magnitude happens it should be declared with out bias towards the perpetrator or victim as neither side has been proven guilty. I wonder why the accuser wasn't prepared to sign his nameh if he was certain of what had happened They tried sweeping NT under the carpet but the Kees put their name to the accusation - and were proved right years ago. The rumor mill grinds when irrefutable facts are withheld. Never judge until you've heard both sides Based on what the workers put the Kees through and what they personally suffered, why would anyone sign their name to it? The Kees stood firmly for truth but they paid dearly in dealing with a severely corrupted system. On the heinous issue of CSA, people have gone to workers in Australia with complaints, in many cases little has been done and the complainant has been victimised. Pressure was brought to bear on people (a) not to go to police and (b) not to make complaints and a significant amount of money was spent on a leading psychologist who had assisted one of Australia's leading criminals to protect the workers. At some point people will have to start taking responsibility for their actions. The criminal, of course, is wrong for his/her actions and should confess to the authorities. The workers who did not report the criminal activity to the authorities are wrong and must bear some of the responsibility. The victims/guardians of the victims who did not report the abuse to the authorities must also take some responsibility for future crimes of that type the criminal may commit. This also points out a negative side of religion. Individuals are willing to sacrifice their children and perhaps many other children, because they do not want to offend the people who they believe control their chances of gaining eternal life. Does anyone think that someone who abuses children or someone who covers up the abuse of children are really the gate keepers to heaven? How can a person be victimized when reporting criminal actions to the authorities?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 4:41:01 GMT -5
I agree. Many workers have led the charge over the years by judging all and sundry and "standing down" people over all kinds of things. That is sickening and dangerous. I could not agree more Ross. When I was professing, I was spoken to several times by workers who had heard such and such about me. All of it was untrue but I was still to be punished. How delightful it is now to serve them up with their own sh-. They sure don't like being given what they give. That is a serious human failing, we tend to absolutely ignore the Golden Rule: Do unto other as you would that they should do unto you. No one is perfect, shepherds and sheep included. What's that about the mote and beam in the eye?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:42:57 GMT -5
I could not agree more Ross. When I was professing, I was spoken to several times by workers who had heard such and such about me. All of it was untrue but I was still to be punished. How delightful it is now to serve them up with their own sh-. They sure don't like being given what they give. They hate being challenged on anything. And if you do question or challenge them some can get pretty nasty. I've witnessed a lot of spiritual abuse perpetrated by a number of workers over time....and then there is the sexual abuse cases etc. Too many to turn a blind eye to ongoing abuse. I would not generalize and tar all with the same brush, but I know one very senior worker from Ireland, TG who in my opinion was an extreme bully. He really did upset me on one occasion just before the start of a gospel meeting in the Caribbean in a tent with gas lamps. I am very vulnerable to heat and the gas lamps were set up towards the front of the tent so I chose to sit towards the back and he approached me very aggressively demanding that I move to the front and leave the seats at the back for strangers. When I tried to explain to him the reason I chose that area at the back was because I was affected by the heat emitted up front by the gas lamps, but he just insisted that I move up front because I would get the wind up there as well. I move up front to avoid an argument, but never went back to any of those gospel meetings. I suffered from over heating from childhood and I disrupted many a Sunday morning meeting when I fainted unconscious because of the heat. When I was baby creeping/crawling my mother had a container of boiling water on a stove and when she turned her back and went outside for a moment I crawl to the stove reached up grabbed the handle of the container with the boiling water and it toppled over and scalded me right down my chest. I was rushed to the hospital and spent several months there and my mother was told that I was lucky to survive. Ever since then I have been vulnerable to extreme heat but TG was not aware or interested in that, he felt that he knew best where I should sit at that gospel meeting in order to satisfy his command/demands. "YOU CAN GET WIND UP FRONT TOO" indeed?? I did not enjoy that meeting at all, so I never went back.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 13, 2017 11:07:01 GMT -5
Did TG try to get you to come back?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 12:30:44 GMT -5
Did TG try to get you to come back? No, I don't think that he missed me.
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