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Post by Get off of TMB on Jul 30, 2019 15:05:34 GMT -5
She used to be Janise Johnson. She was in Ohio in the late 1980s to around 1990.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Jul 30, 2019 15:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 30, 2019 16:29:36 GMT -5
Just about every organisation, religious or secular, has instances of child abuse.
However, this would have to be one of the most extreme, repeated and diverse litany of such charges I have ever heard of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:44:40 GMT -5
This is one of the saddest things I have every experienced. Daniel was one of the few people I could talk to after we left meeting. He gave me encouragement to keep looking forward and not lose hope. He was kind and compassionate to my whole family. It was a major kick in the gut when we first heard about this. I did not want to believe he was capable of these horrid acts. He was one of the few people that I share my own story of sexual abuse. To think he was abusing his own children at the time is mind boggling. It has made me question, do we ever really know another person? Why are we so quick to discount the accusations of abuse by others. We only see the side that person wants us to see, but that is not the person the abused sees. That is why it is so hard for survivors of abuse to feel supported when others discount the person you know the abuser is.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Aug 5, 2019 16:03:48 GMT -5
Jenise was someone I thought would finish her days in the work. She seemed so sincere when she was on the Ohio staff.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Aug 5, 2019 16:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:09:40 GMT -5
Jenise was someone I thought would finish her days in the work. She seemed so sincere when she was on the Ohio staff. That’s one of the reasons worker worship is futile. Some, ( I Hope most) are decent people but some aren’t, that’s for sure! And that’s why putting the olden day Paul and Paul’s words on a pedestal is no real security? He was a human being as everyone else was a human being in those days. I think we lose sight of this. Anybody can say they were inspired by God.
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Post by bumblebee on Aug 19, 2019 16:08:12 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 16:56:47 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. Yes it’s beyond comprehension.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2019 17:29:38 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. Yes it’s beyond comprehension. One has to wonder just how much of their psychopathy comes from being in the work? I’m not saying it would happen to every worker, but I’ve known others to be abusive when the pressure was on. Not abusive like these two but still abusive. The stress on the nervous system being celibate and having to be companions who are not compatible can surely cause some folks deep personality changes. This is not how God created man and woman. So I’m wondering just how far pushing leaving it all and celibacy is causing some very serious psychological changes in otherwise good people? Jesus didn’t demand his Apostles to leave it all and many of them retained their homes, etc though they well may have been gone from home long extended periods of time. This sure would make a very good psychological study!
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Post by bumblebee on Aug 19, 2019 17:36:16 GMT -5
Yes it’s beyond comprehension. One has to wonder just how much of their psychopathy comes from being in the work? I’m not saying it would happen to every worker, but I’ve known others to be abusive when the pressure was on. Not abusive like these two but still abusive. The stress on the nervous system being celibate and having to be companions who are not compatible can surely cause some folks deep personality changes. This is not how God created man and woman. So I’m wondering just how far pushing leaving it all and celibacy is causing some very serious psychological changes in otherwise good people? Jesus didn’t demand his Apostles to leave it all and many of them retained their homes, etc though they well may have been gone from home long extended periods of time. This sure would make a very good psychological study! While I would agree that being in the work has it's own stress, these atrocities took place when these two people were not celibate. I don't see how you can blame the work for this. They had 5 children of their own before they took on foster children. They were hardly celibate.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2019 17:50:44 GMT -5
One has to wonder just how much of their psychopathy comes from being in the work? I’m not saying it would happen to every worker, but I’ve known others to be abusive when the pressure was on. Not abusive like these two but still abusive. The stress on the nervous system being celibate and having to be companions who are not compatible can surely cause some folks deep personality changes. This is not how God created man and woman. So I’m wondering just how far pushing leaving it all and celibacy is causing some very serious psychological changes in otherwise good people? Jesus didn’t demand his Apostles to leave it all and many of them retained their homes, etc though they well may have been gone from home long extended periods of time. This sure would make a very good psychological study! While I would agree that being in the work has it's own stress, these atrocities took place when these two people were not celibate. I don't see how you can blame the work for this. They had 5 children of their own before they took on foster children. They were hardly celibate. I’m talking about the psychological changes that don’t show until severe stress etc are present. The reason I say this is because of other exworkers and workers who have had such strange personality changes while in the work.
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Post by bumblebee on Aug 19, 2019 18:09:36 GMT -5
While I would agree that being in the work has it's own stress, these atrocities took place when these two people were not celibate. I don't see how you can blame the work for this. They had 5 children of their own before they took on foster children. They were hardly celibate. I’m talking about the psychological changes that don’t show until severe stress etc are present. The reason I say this is because of other exworkers and workers who have had such strange personality changes while in the work. What psychological changes did Daniel go thru in his 3 years in the work? What changes did Jenise go thru in her some 5 years in the work? I guess I am not aware of them.
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Post by speak on Aug 19, 2019 18:41:49 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. Why on earth don't they get whole of life?
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Post by nathan on Aug 19, 2019 18:45:49 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. MANY of us read Daniel's posts on TMB, he had a different name/s on here. We could see he had a hard time with the workers and the fellowship. Does anyone know the names Daniel posts on TMB. Perhaps, we can go back and read it and see the signs of his troubling times.
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Post by bumblebee on Aug 19, 2019 18:48:27 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. Why on earth don't they get whole of life? Daniel pled out and I think the judge agreed with it to save the girls from the horror of a trial. They were also in agreement. I don't know why the charges were concurrent tho.
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Post by bumblebee on Aug 19, 2019 18:50:02 GMT -5
Last Monday I went to Daniel's sentencing. He was given 20 or 25 years for every count, but they are running concurrently. His maximin sentence is 25 years with out the possibility of parole with time for years served. After that he will have 10 years of monitored parole. He does have to answer to the state of Florida upon release. 11 of the victim/children were present with a number of them making impact statements. I love that they have taken back their power and their voice. As someone who grew up with Daniel, I wanted to believe the best in him, but he came across as a sadistic sociopath. The judge thought that he actually got pleasure from hearing the impact statements and called him a monster. I was saddened by what I saw and heard. Jenise's trial is set for October 21. Truly sad as I think both of these people were at one time generous and good. Don't know what happens to cause such atrocities. MANY of us read Daniel's posts on TMB, he had a different name/s on here. We could see he had a hard time with the workers and the fellowship. Does anyone know the names Daniel posts on TMB. Perhaps, we can go back and read it and see the signs of his troubling times.Alexander is one name. He may have had others.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 19, 2019 19:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2019 19:07:22 GMT -5
I’m talking about the psychological changes that don’t show until severe stress etc are present. The reason I say this is because of other exworkers and workers who have had such strange personality changes while in the work. What psychological changes did Daniel go thru in his 3 years in the work? What changes did Jenise go thru in her some 5 years in the work? I guess I am not aware of them. As I indicated they wouldn’t be manifested until a trigger such as stress would cause them to be seen by aberrant behaviors. I’m not saying that this is so with them, but I’ve seen such things come out in ex-workers and workers that’s been in the worker a while.
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Post by nathan on Aug 19, 2019 19:11:57 GMT -5
What psychological changes did Daniel go thru in his 3 years in the work? What changes did Jenise go thru in her some 5 years in the work? I guess I am not aware of them. As I indicated they wouldn’t be manifested until a trigger such as stress would cause them to be seen by aberrant behaviors. I’m not saying that this is so with them, but I’ve seen such things come out in ex-workers and workers that’s been in the worker a while. Jesus, Paul, and many apostles were Celibate preachers of the gospel, do you see any STRANGE, weird sexual behaviors about them? Some might have troubling sexual behaviors before they went in the work, like the one in Australia had sexual problems when he was in his teens and finally his past caught up with him and he was excommunicated from the ministry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 19:19:02 GMT -5
And who would be recording the likes of Paul’s personal shortcomings? Who would know what he got up to in secret? Reality.
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Post by nathan on Aug 19, 2019 19:25:44 GMT -5
And who would be recording the likes of Paul’s personal shortcomings? Who would know what he got up to in secret? Reality. God and Christ would KNOW about Paul own sexuality behaviors and he would have NOT been called and chosen by the Resurrected Jesus as the chosen vessel or preacher to the Gentiles. Satan would have tried to ruin Paul's reputation and character when he was in the ministry but it seemed he died as a faithful servant of God to the end.
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Post by nathan on Aug 19, 2019 19:29:24 GMT -5
What psychological changes did Daniel go thru in his 3 years in the work? What changes did Jenise go thru in her some 5 years in the work? I guess I am not aware of them. As I indicated they wouldn’t be manifested until a trigger such as stress would cause them to be seen by aberrant behaviors. I’m not saying that this is so with them, but I’ve seen such things come out in ex-workers and workers that’s been in the worker a while. Daniel was married to an ex-sister worker and that didn't stop him from abusing children that they adopted as foster children. It would be interesting to know Daniel and his wife past if they had been sexually abused as growing up.
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Post by nathan on Aug 19, 2019 19:33:24 GMT -5
This guy would of felt called and chosen ( as I understand workers feel) so that argument doesn’t stack up.imo I am not a worker hater by any means/ some good people ( for the record). Just injecting some reality into the picture; I understand what you are saying and coming from.... Some have never called by God to go in the work, they went in the work due to peer pressure or to please their parents or grandparents. Jesus said ye shall recognize by their fruits! of their lives while they are in the ministry or afterwards.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Aug 19, 2019 19:37:38 GMT -5
I can see Jenise with Grace O Keefe, Mary Fields, Wanda Skilbred, and others walking across Ed and Ilene's yard after the meeting was over. I could have never imagined that she would be associated with something like that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 19:37:53 GMT -5
Let’s leave the analysis to professionals involved. IMO.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 19, 2019 19:42:33 GMT -5
And who would be recording the likes of Paul’s personal shortcomings? Who would know what he got up to in secret? Reality. We don't read much about Paul except from himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 19:57:07 GMT -5
And who would be recording the likes of Paul’s personal shortcomings? Who would know what he got up to in secret? Reality. We don't read much about Paul except from himself. Exactly.
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