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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 11, 2021 21:34:05 GMT -5
the light before the sun was the Glory of God which is spoken of in REV 21:23 and REV 22:5 which it explains there will be no need for a sun in the future... so God's glory sustained the plants. even still if Genesis 1 is about 24hr days for creation, being without light for 24hrs(3rd-4th day) would not kill off plants it would actually take a few weeks to die off and larger trees could take decades to die off. www.popsci.com/node/204957/ <<<pro-science, High Fact reporting no box necessary... Wally from what I see revelations is at the other end of the bible how much time has passed between genius and revelations so how can you relate the two ? What drugs was john on when he recorded revelation's, today we know drugs cause hallucinations, remember god create opium, cocaine it talks about fruit, fruit don't appear on a tree in a day A day as a thousand years you do not know if day 3-4 are a day apart or 1000years apart the supposed god of of the old testament was a murderer, rapist, war monger, then he changed in the new testament or was it just the writer had different drugs It is not really known who it was that wrote The Book of Revelation other than the beginning which states it is "John of Patmos".
The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian (AD 81–96), which evidence tends to confirm that belief.
Revelations begins with John being on the island of Patmos which is in the Aegean Sea.
The Island of Patmos was under the rule of the Romans was used as a place of exile for convicts. This is how Apostle John came to Patmos, exiled by the Roman Emperor Titus Flavius Domitianus .
So taking all of that into consideration, John would not have needed any drugs to make him see visions. Being alone with no companions and among a lot of prisoners who probably were not much like himself, would be enough to cause many problems.
Strange fantasies would perhaps be the least of them.
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Post by fixit on Jun 11, 2021 22:47:27 GMT -5
Man, you really do talk like you have a hotline to God. I think it may just be the narcissism speaking. Many years ago, a well respected worker warned me "beware of a talker" that has proved to be some of the best advice i ever recieved, that has served me well over the years. Hey, I just share my experiences, what I have read and learned through 40 plus years as a 2x2, believe it or NOT is up to you/atheist. You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 22:58:46 GMT -5
Hey, I just share my experiences, what I have read and learned through 40 plus years as a 2x2, believe it or NOT is up to you/atheist. You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 11, 2021 23:21:01 GMT -5
You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they? Ever consider that may well have been exactly WHY they did leave the "TRUTH?"
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Post by fixit on Jun 11, 2021 23:22:19 GMT -5
You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they? Some left the anti-Christ garbage that they were exposed to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 23:28:14 GMT -5
well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they? Some left the anti-Christ garbage that they were exposed to. HUH? are you saying the 2x2 church is promoting anti-Christ garbage?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 23:30:12 GMT -5
well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they? Ever consider that may well have been exactly WHY they did leave the "TRUTH?"
are you actually agreeing with me?
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Post by fixit on Jun 12, 2021 0:52:01 GMT -5
Some left the anti-Christ garbage that they were exposed to. HUH? are you saying the 2x2 church is promoting anti-Christ garbage? Nope. I'm saying anti-Christ behavior is alive and well amongst people claiming to belong.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 12, 2021 0:53:32 GMT -5
Ever consider that may well have been exactly WHY they did leave the "TRUTH?"
are you actually agreeing with me? No, I am saying I begin to realize that what I had been brought up to believe what was very relevant to my life really wasn't relevant at all.
They were not necessary, -nor connected or even appropriate to what I needed is be doing in my life!
They were just a bunch of rules & regulations used for control and had no real meaning at all!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 0:54:20 GMT -5
HUH? are you saying the 2x2 church is promoting anti-Christ garbage? Nope. I'm saying anti-Christ behavior is alive and well amongst people claiming to belong. i suggest you go back an re-read what was said then come back with a more OT post...
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Post by isittrue on Jun 12, 2021 1:19:36 GMT -5
Wally from what I see revelations is at the other end of the bible how much time has passed between genius and revelations so how can you relate the two ? What drugs was john on when he recorded revelation's, today we know drugs cause hallucinations, remember god create opium, cocaine it talks about fruit, fruit don't appear on a tree in a day A day as a thousand years you do not know if day 3-4 are a day apart or 1000years apart the supposed god of of the old testament was a murderer, rapist, war monger, then he changed in the new testament or was it just the writer had different drugs from Genesis to Revelation its all linked...from Genesis to revelation is about 4095 years...from revelation to now about 1925 years... there is no indication that John was taking drugs... i am open to a 7,000 year creation scenario have said so many times here. God's glorious light could last for 1000 years and sustain plants...since its suppose to last for eternity anyways. if he created trees with the fruit already on them there is no problem.... its more likely it was a 24hr period. even if it was 1000 years see my above sentence... everything that God does is righteous. just because we don't know or understand the reasons doesn't mean a lot...
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Post by nathan on Jun 12, 2021 1:28:08 GMT -5
Hey, I just share my experiences, what I have read and learned through 40 plus years as a 2x2, believe it or NOT is up to you/atheist. You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. NOT really... I have been in the truth 2x2 for over 40 years now. Many of those raised in the truth don't really know what the 2x2 workers teach and believe. They go to meetings but their minds are wandering somewhere else when the workers are speaking so, they don't really hear the message within the message.
I have been reading the ex-2x2 and the 2x2s on here for over 20 years, I can see their half-truth belief of the workers teachings. Wally, is one of the few 2x2 on here that know and understand a lot of the workers teachings more than you elder/fixit.
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Post by nathan on Jun 12, 2021 1:34:07 GMT -5
You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. well they couldn't have known much that was relevant as they left the truth didn't they? Amen, brother. John the apostle wrote in I John 2:19-20 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. Paul wrote in II Tim. 2:15-19 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 12, 2021 2:30:57 GMT -5
You haven't learned much as a 2x2 and you certainly can't speak on their behalf. Typically exes who were raised in the fellowship know more than you. NOT really... I have been in the truth 2x2 for over 40 years now. Many of those raised in the truth don't really know what the 2x2 workers teach and believe. They go to meetings but their minds are wandering somewhere else when the workers are speaking so, they don't really hear the message within the message.
I have been reading the ex-2x2 and the 2x2s on here for over 20 years, I can see their half-truth belief of the workers teachings. Wally, is one of the few 2x2 on here that know and understand a lot of the workers teachings more than you elder/fixit.
😅😅😅 ...If you know so much nathan, you would know that the 2x2s don't believe what you do, you would stop saying crap like "one day the 2x2s will believe like you do " ! Do you not see how you come across to others ....so full of "yourself" !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 2:58:33 GMT -5
from Genesis to Revelation its all linked...from Genesis to revelation is about 4095 years...from revelation to now about 1925 years... there is no indication that John was taking drugs... i am open to a 7,000 year creation scenario have said so many times here. God's glorious light could last for 1000 years and sustain plants...since its suppose to last for eternity anyways. if he created trees with the fruit already on them there is no problem.... its more likely it was a 24hr period. even if it was 1000 years see my above sentence... everything that God does is righteous. just because we don't know or understand the reasons doesn't mean a lot... i see no question or comment above were you trying to say something?
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Post by isittrue on Jun 12, 2021 4:22:28 GMT -5
i see no question or comment above were you trying to say something? Sorry wally had a clitch with the system god must have intervened. if god was in control we wouldn't use science if god could fix all we wouldn't use science if god had enough light he wouldn't have made the sun in our minds we can create what ever illusion we want in the past no education, no science, man new very little, man just believed what was told to him by others the past bible stories are stories. Nothing more an illusion of someone's thoughts a way to control the masses with children when they have imaginary friends parents have to let them know its just there imagination nothing more, but when the parents rock up at church and want the children to to believe there imaginary friend that's a different story. Fantasy is imagination of the mind, look at the books that were removed from the bible just Fantasy .Just look on the internet fantasy is every where people have thoughts in there minds some people have fantasy's about Filipina Hotties and Red Heads I imagine even while they are having some of the loaf of bread and a slurp of wine on Sunday there fantasy illusion in there mind are still at work.
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Post by Dan on Jun 12, 2021 4:48:13 GMT -5
i see no question or comment above were you trying to say something? Sorry wally had a clitch with the system god must have intervened. if god was in control we wouldn't use science if god could fix all we wouldn't use science if god had enough light he wouldn't have made the sun in our minds we can create what ever illusion we want in the past no education, no science, man new very little, man just believed what was told to him by others the past bible stories are stories. Nothing more an illusion of someone's thoughts a way to control the masses with children when they have imaginary friends parents have to let them know its just there imagination nothing more, but when the parents rock up at church and want the children to to believe there imaginary friend that's a different story. Fantasy is imagination of the mind, look at the books that were removed from the bible just Fantasy .Just look on the internet fantasy is every where people have thoughts in there minds some people have fantasy's about Filipina Hotties and Red Heads I imagine even while they are having some of the loaf of bread and a slurp of wine on Sunday there fantasy illusion in there mind are still at work.
Consider that Jesus was a real man who was witnessed by many. That would seem to surpass an imaginary friend. Its not an illusion to accept the written testimony of others, especially when history, archeology, science, or anything else has failed to prove it false. Remember that the Pharisees demanded Roman guards watch the tomb to dispel the prophecy of a risen Christ. Where's the body? Fantasies are generally easily disproven, but they couldn't do it then and they can't do it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 6:04:36 GMT -5
i see no question or comment above were you trying to say something? Sorry wally had a clitch with the system god must have intervened. if god was in control we wouldn't use science if god could fix all we wouldn't use science if god had enough light he wouldn't have made the sun in our minds we can create what ever illusion we want in the past no education, no science, man new very little, man just believed what was told to him by others the past bible stories are stories. Nothing more an illusion of someone's thoughts a way to control the masses with children when they have imaginary friends parents have to let them know its just there imagination nothing more, but when the parents rock up at church and want the children to to believe there imaginary friend that's a different story. Fantasy is imagination of the mind, look at the books that were removed from the bible just Fantasy .Just look on the internet fantasy is every where people have thoughts in there minds some people have fantasy's about Filipina Hotties and Red Heads I imagine even while they are having some of the loaf of bread and a slurp of wine on Sunday there fantasy illusion in there mind are still at work. interesting comments, another duplicate account aye? God created science. Gods light is sufficient forever: Rev_21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Rev_22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. i'm sure he had other things to do than hover over the earth though so he created the sun. science got its start about 3500-3000BC Daniel acknowledges it around 500BC other tidbits are throughout the 3500BC-100AD
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 8:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 10:49:01 GMT -5
When abuse happens during a long period of time, it would seem obvious that people would know somehow and to some extent. There's only so much that people can cover up especially obvious signs of physical abuse. I speak from experience and in today's perspective.
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 4, 2022 19:02:00 GMT -5
Latest news: Jenise Spurgeon had a remote hearing and plead guilty to several counts of child abuse in Alabama.
She was sentenced to 15 years, but only one will be served behind bars. The rest will be probation.
She still has to face 10 counts in Lee County, Florida
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Post by gsamuelwalker on Feb 12, 2022 14:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by letty on Feb 21, 2022 14:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by letty on Feb 21, 2022 14:06:04 GMT -5
Does someone know whether its true that Kelvin Naef was hosting meetings in the home of the Spurgeons in FL? Would he not have known something was amiss? It says the girls were discovered intoxicated in a parking lot and that the girls were often made to drink...
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Post by letty on Feb 22, 2022 16:36:09 GMT -5
I heard Kelvin Naef was hosting meetings in the home of those people when he was still in Florida. Anyone know anything about that? Wouldnt he have known something?
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Post by intelchips on Feb 22, 2022 16:40:11 GMT -5
I heard Kelvin Naef was hosting meetings in the home of those people when he was still in Florida. Anyone know anything about that? Wouldnt he have known something? Perhaps a better understanding of how it works:
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Post by nathan02 on Feb 22, 2022 17:16:36 GMT -5
I heard Kelvin Naef was hosting meetings in the home of those people when he was still in Florida. Anyone know anything about that? Wouldnt he have known something? Perhaps a better understanding of how it works: *** It would be better if the human falls into the Lake of eternal fire and he/she cried out for help by reaching to grasp the hand of the Holy Spirit/Robin, and with the help of Christ Jesus/Batman in the middle and God/Superman at the end. I remember Daniel Spurgeon used to post on TMB with different alias. He posted many of his grievances against the workers and overseer! about his family attending fellowship meetings. The friends in the meetings could sense something were NOT right. He asked the overseer to put Sunday morning in his home so, they wouldn't have to travel long distance to meeting with many of their foster children. They didn't want the friends to notice there is something wrong with the children behaviors in the meetings. They were NOT too excited to be meetings because of the traumatic situation they had to face at home with Daniel and his wife. Finally, the overseer allowed him to have meeting in his home.
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Post by magpies39plus on Feb 22, 2022 17:46:54 GMT -5
This,as you will notice is one of the 2x2's most followed subject? Wonder why? With the unbiblical celibate ministry (1 Corinthians 9 v 4/5)and a % history equalling that of the larger celibate church ministry.And they have the same of power to cover it up. Many years ago a lady preacher was asked about why a certain brother preacher was allowed to stay in the 2x2 ministry,the answer"Good workers are to hard to fined these days". JUSTICE FOR HIS VICTIM,OR INSULT?? A sick shameful reason,isn't it?? Magpie
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