Australian Worker Craig Janke

[mod5]

This was posted recently on the Wings discussion board Breaking The Silence.....

Craig Janke was a senior worker in Queensland and more recently in South Australia but has abruptly left the work and returned to Queensland.

The South Australian overseer (Wayne Deane) has advised his workers about Janke. He said that there was nothing to hide, but then went on to tell them that they should just tell people that Craig had returned to Queensland. If there were more questions, the workers could say that 'it related to children'.
He said that the matter had been dealt with correctly.

However some South Australian people are concerned that:

Deane initially tried to quash people's concerns when they approached him about Janke;

Deane is trying to hide the full facts;

Deane is aware of more than he has let on;

The matter was not dealt with correctly;

Janke should never have been transferred to South Australia and given a field with a lot of young people when his problems were known by both the Queensland and South Australian overseers;

Telling people to pray for Janke, but not mentioning prayers for those affected by Janke's behaviour, is wrong;

The clear impression was given that Janke might return to the work once the dust settles.


Janke is now visiting various families in Queensland, accompanied by the Queensland overseer Malcolm Clapham, apparently to apologise. At least one family has declined a visit from Janke+Clapham because neither the children nor the parents were comfortable with the thought of Janke visiting.


Conclusion:
The Australian workers are more interested in the church reputation than in handling these matters consistent with modern standards.
The lack of agreed guidelines or protocols allows them to act inappropriately.

Read more: wingsbts.proboards.com/thread/296/craig-janke#ixzz48AGZHyI6

[whyisitso]

The only positive I see in this is the family that turned them away because they weren't comfortable with the visit...

[kittens]

How has it been 'dealt with correctly'? If the concerned friends had some evidence when they went to Wayne Dean did he suggest they go directly to the police or even offer to go to the police with them to support them? If the children were small this should have been done automatically. If the children were older they should have had a say in whether they wanted to go to the police at that point.

Very disappointed in Wayne as he is one of the 'younger' workers and I thought he had more modern ideas than some of the old stodgy head workers. I know he used to be a Brethren and was brought up just as strictly as us and has also been overseas in deprived countries but I thought all of that might have broadened his outlook and given him a different perspective than say Clyde Mackay or Allan Kitto.

I hope everyone with children gets to hear of this and are able to protect their children from him.

[Deleted]

Sexual abuse of children, physical abuse of children, emotional abuse of children, these things are ILLEGAL. If you even SUSPECT this is going on, you report it to the POLICE immediately. This is NEVER a matter to be handled internally. It's like saying 'We'll just handle this murder ourselves, no need to get the police involved.". It's ILLEGAL - A CRIME.

[kittens]

May 9, 2016 16:27:26 GMT -5 @simpleton said:

Sexual abuse of children, physical abuse of children, emotional abuse of children, these things are ILLEGAL. If you even SUSPECT this is going on, you report it to the POLICE immediately. This is NEVER a matter to be handled internally. It's like saying 'We'll just handle this murder ourselves, no need to get the police involved.". It's ILLEGAL - A CRIME.

Haven't read all your posts and don't agree with some that I have read but this one I am in 100% agreement.  Wish everyone could see that it is this serious.

[Deleted]

May 9, 2016 16:41:46 GMT -5 kittens said:

May 9, 2016 16:27:26 GMT -5 @simpleton said:

Sexual abuse of children, physical abuse of children, emotional abuse of children, these things are ILLEGAL. If you even SUSPECT this is going on, you report it to the POLICE immediately. This is NEVER a matter to be handled internally. It's like saying 'We'll just handle this murder ourselves, no need to get the police involved.". It's ILLEGAL - A CRIME.

Haven't read all your posts and don't agree with some that I have read but this one I am in 100% agreement.  Wish everyone could see that it is this serious.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it - Upton Sinclair.


All you need to know about the problems in 2x2ism is in this post
professing.proboards.com/thread/24187/why-2x2ism-despotism

[Deleted]

All kinds of unrighteousness in sinful although it is sald that not all unrighteousness leads to death. Abuse of all kinds including CSA is unrighteous and unlawful and damaging to the recipients. It has often been said that upholders of wrongdoing, i.e those who provide cover/ escape routes etc. for wrong doers are equally as guilty and bear some responsibilities for the outcomes. Sympathies should be for the victims and their families, and protection provided/arranged for other vulnerable folks including children. This kind of behaviour is very distructive in any society, religeous or others. This is shameful., who can be trusted?? Lord have mercy.

[magpie]

Thankyou Mod5, Was he the one Stephen Shultz the jnr worker was stood down(kicked out) for laying a sexual behaviour charge against? Or is that dirty old pervert still Idolised in South Australia. David Leitch is to become a cemetry worker in Victoria,he has self taught how to cover up(bury) the most horrid of sexual incidents,including the unnatural pedophiles,eg,Barry,s true number of victims. And of course he(Leitch) last year had "TWO" working together at Nar Nar Goon. An aptly named town for such deviants.

[magpie]

Who can go for help? We were hounded that "ALL" other denominations who amongst them have trained Pastors to step into and guide victims and families to correct proceedures,even arrange to privately speak to proper trained law enforcement officers. But WORKER FEAR takes over in cults,fall out with the workers and they can put you out of fellowship in many different ways,therefore you will never go to their heaven---That my friends is psychological mind control at it's worst.Now the victim within a cult is further victimised and confused. Cruel,ruthless lot those God's true servants arn't they?

[mod5]

May 9, 2016 19:12:24 GMT -5 magpie said:

Thankyou Mod5, Was he the one Stephen Shultz the jnr worker was stood down(kicked out) for laying a sexual behaviour charge against? Or is that dirty old pervert still Idolised in South Australia. David Leitch is to become a cemetry worker in Victoria,he has self taught how to cover up(bury) the most horrid of sexual incidents,including the unnatural pedophiles,eg,Barry,s true number of victims. And of course he(Leitch) last year had "TWO" working together at Nar Nar Goon. An aptly named town for such deviants.

Mr Janke was not the worker that Stephen Shultz was sacked over. I understand that this particular worker is still actively preaching in the state of Victoria with the full approval of David Leitch.

[Ross.Bowden]

Even though we left 2x2 meetings around 2000, Craig Janke has been on the radar of a large number of professing folk for many years.

If Malcolm Clapham hadn't of transferred him to South Australia, presumably nothing would have been brought to a head.

My understanding (all professing folk who know these things and tell us) is that Malcolm Clapham didn't brief Wayne Dean correctly and openly on the issue.

When Wayne found out about some of the issues he took action and sent Craig Janke back to Queensland.

I would do exactly the same. Obviously, if I had specific evidence then I would report it to the police. It may not be the first time a referral has been made.

Wayne D is obviously aware of a whole host of things but I very much suspect that he doesn't want to say a lot more for fear of being sued for libel.

That's presumably why he has not asked for people to pray for those impacted by Janke's behaviour. He doesn't want to refer to it without it having been reported/investigated.

The onus is on Queensland to sort it out (as they should have done years ago) and if they don't then the onus is on the Australian Head Workers as a collective to intervene.

I think Wayne Dean and the elders have simply given that feedback to Malcolm C who is seemingly trying to protect Craig Janke's position in the work.

Malcolm Clapham should simply be telling people that Craig Janke has been stood down from the work.

If he has evidence of criminal activity he should report it to the police.

[queenslander]

May 10, 2016 0:36:59 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Even though we left 2x2 meetings around 2000, Craig Janke has been on the radar of a large number of professing folk for many years.

If Malcolm Clapham hadn't of transferred him to South Australia, presumably nothing would have been brought to a head.

My understanding (all professing folk who know these things and tell us) is that Malcolm Clapham didn't brief Wayne Dean correctly and openly on the issue.

When Wayne found out about some of the issues he took action and sent Craig Janke back to Queensland.

I would do exactly the same. Obviously, if I had specific evidence then I would report it to the police. It may not be the first time a referral has been made.

Wayne D is obviously aware of a whole host of things but I very much suspect that he doesn't want to say a lot more for fear of being sued for libel.

That's presumably why he has not asked for people to pray for those impacted by Janke's behaviour. He doesn't want to refer to it without it having been reported/investigated.

The onus is on Queensland to sort it out (as they should have done years ago) and if they don't then the onus is on the Australian Head Workers as a collective to intervene.

I think Wayne Dean and the elders have simply given that feedback to Malcolm C who is seemingly trying to protect Craig Janke's position in the work.

Malcolm Clapham should simply be telling people that Craig Janke has been stood down from the work.

If he has evidence of criminal activity he should report it to the police.

How can people continue to respond to such nonsense that has been fabricated with no evidence. Craig has travelled back to Queensland to personally go and see these families that created this speculation. As a father with young children, I would like to know if there is anything to be worried about? These couple of families have admitted that there is absolutely nothing that they can report. Craig has been very open in wanting anyone that has any concerns to please come forward and talk to him or any of the other workers. If anybody is genuinely concerned why are they not providing information and going to the police, or is this just a site where bitter and twisted people go when they do not have anything of substance in their lives anymore? If there is anything other then speculation and rubbish talk, please enlighten people on what it is?

[Ross.Bowden]

May 10, 2016 1:10:04 GMT -5 queenslander said:

May 10, 2016 0:36:59 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Even though we left 2x2 meetings around 2000, Craig Janke has been on the radar of a large number of professing folk for many years.

If Malcolm Clapham hadn't of transferred him to South Australia, presumably nothing would have been brought to a head.

My understanding (all professing folk who know these things and tell us) is that Malcolm Clapham didn't brief Wayne Dean correctly and openly on the issue.

When Wayne found out about some of the issues he took action and sent Craig Janke back to Queensland.

I would do exactly the same. Obviously, if I had specific evidence then I would report it to the police. It may not be the first time a referral has been made.

Wayne D is obviously aware of a whole host of things but I very much suspect that he doesn't want to say a lot more for fear of being sued for libel.

That's presumably why he has not asked for people to pray for those impacted by Janke's behaviour. He doesn't want to refer to it without it having been reported/investigated.

The onus is on Queensland to sort it out (as they should have done years ago) and if they don't then the onus is on the Australian Head Workers as a collective to intervene.

I think Wayne Dean and the elders have simply given that feedback to Malcolm C who is seemingly trying to protect Craig Janke's position in the work.

Malcolm Clapham should simply be telling people that Craig Janke has been stood down from the work.

If he has evidence of criminal activity he should report it to the police.

How can people continue to respond to such nonsense that has been fabricated with no evidence. Craig has travelled back to Queensland to personally go and see these families that created this speculation. As a father with young children, I would like to know if there is anything to be worried about? These couple of families have admitted that there is absolutely nothing that they can report. Craig has been very open in wanting anyone that has any concerns to please come forward and talk to him or any of the other workers. If anybody is genuinely concerned why are they not providing information and going to the police, or is this just a site where bitter and twisted people go when they do not have anything of substance in their lives anymore? If there is anything other then speculation and rubbish talk, please enlighten people on what it is?

You will notice that I have been careful with my statement.

It is not for me to speculate on what CJ might have done or not done.

My recommendation to you would be to talk to your Head Worker Malcolm Clapham about the situation.

Ask him:

- why he sent Craig Janke to South Australia?
- did he consider sending out a letter to certain families in Queensland?
- instead of taking this action, did he simply decide to export CJ to deal with the issue, whatever the issue may have been
- was another worker always supposed to be with CJ wherever he went in terms of visiting etc?
- did some people in Qld only have the courage to speak up after CJ had been sent to South Australia?
- was there an elders meeting in South Australia a few weeks ago to decide what to do?
- were the South Australian elders unhappy about CJ being sent to their state? Why?
- Why did they send him back?
- What did Wayne Dean say when some South Australian friends asked him whether what they were hearing about CJ was correct?
- Why did Wayne Dean say to answer "it related to children" if people pressed with further questions?
- What is CJ apologising about?
- Why did at least one family decline a visit?

Malcolm Clapham may not know all the answers to these questions but he will be able to find out for you. There is nothing to stop you from going directly to Wayne Dean and asking him.

But there are many questions which deserve answers. If your leadership can't be transparent and open enough to answer your questions in relation to THEIR ACTIONS then you have a problem with your leadership.

I have known Wayne Dean for years and as I said in my post I am not surprised that he took the action he did.

As for the throwaway line about being "bitter and twisted" and "no substance in our lives" these comments have been used many times over the past 20 years by some professing folk to defer attention away from major issues that require attention. They are ignored because it is only when people have substance in their lives that they become focussed on the protection of the vulnerable - whether young or old. But don't think for a minute that this action is driven by ex-members because it is not. There are many professing people who are driving action that is necessary.

I will always highlight, in any church, areas where there are massive gaps. Whilst I am not linking CJ to safe ministry issues, you church has done nothing of any consequence to protect children. No guidelines have been issued or publicised, ministers/workers who have access to children have generally not had safe ministry training, no public apology has been issued for the hurt that has been caused many victims. To the contrary, there is a history of workers being protected and moved (much like the history of the Catholic Church), a senior psychologist (who has acted from some of Australia's major criminals) paid for by workers/friends in an attempt to get a senior Victorian worker a more lenient sentence and multiple issues being pushed under the carpet. Every other church, apart from a couple of other exclusive sects have put significant programs into place to protect children from harm.

I would simply ask you and other professing people to ask your senior workers all the hard questions - that's part of the role of being a leader.

[Roselyn T]

May 10, 2016 1:10:04 GMT -5 queenslander said:

May 10, 2016 0:36:59 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Even though we left 2x2 meetings around 2000, Craig Janke has been on the radar of a large number of professing folk for many years.

If Malcolm Clapham hadn't of transferred him to South Australia, presumably nothing would have been brought to a head.

My understanding (all professing folk who know these things and tell us) is that Malcolm Clapham didn't brief Wayne Dean correctly and openly on the issue.

When Wayne found out about some of the issues he took action and sent Craig Janke back to Queensland.

I would do exactly the same. Obviously, if I had specific evidence then I would report it to the police. It may not be the first time a referral has been made.

Wayne D is obviously aware of a whole host of things but I very much suspect that he doesn't want to say a lot more for fear of being sued for libel.

That's presumably why he has not asked for people to pray for those impacted by Janke's behaviour. He doesn't want to refer to it without it having been reported/investigated.

The onus is on Queensland to sort it out (as they should have done years ago) and if they don't then the onus is on the Australian Head Workers as a collective to intervene.

I think Wayne Dean and the elders have simply given that feedback to Malcolm C who is seemingly trying to protect Craig Janke's position in the work.

Malcolm Clapham should simply be telling people that Craig Janke has been stood down from the work.

If he has evidence of criminal activity he should report it to the police.

How can people continue to respond to such nonsense that has been fabricated with no evidence. Craig has travelled back to Queensland to personally go and see these families that created this speculation. As a father with young children, I would like to know if there is anything to be worried about? These couple of families have admitted that there is absolutely nothing that they can report. Craig has been very open in wanting anyone that has any concerns to please come forward and talk to him or any of the other workers. If anybody is genuinely concerned why are they not providing information and going to the police, or is this just a site where bitter and twisted people go when they do not have anything of substance in their lives anymore? If there is anything other then speculation and rubbish talk, please enlighten people on what it is?

queenslander, how do you know that information has not been given to the police ?

[Ross.Bowden]

May 10, 2016 2:17:02 GMT -5 Roselyn T said:

May 10, 2016 1:10:04 GMT -5 queenslander said:

queenslander, how do you know that information has not been given to the police ?

A good question Ros and one that Queenslander could also ask the Head Worker.

[whyisitso]

May 10, 2016 2:08:21 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

May 10, 2016 1:10:04 GMT -5 queenslander said:

You will notice that I have been careful with my statement.

It is not for me to speculate on what CJ might have done or not done.

My recommendation to you would be to talk to your Head Worker Malcolm Clapham about the situation.

Ask him:

- why he sent Craig Janke to South Australia?
- did he consider sending out a letter to certain families in Queensland?
- instead of taking this action, did he simply decide to export CJ to deal with the issue, whatever the issue may have been
- was another worker always supposed to be with CJ wherever he went in terms of visiting etc?
- did some people in Qld only have the courage to speak up after CJ had been sent to South Australia?
- was there an elders meeting in South Australia a few weeks ago to decide what to do?
- were the South Australian elders unhappy about CJ being sent to their state? Why?
- Why did they send him back?
- What did Wayne Dean say when some South Australian friends asked him whether what they were hearing about CJ was correct?
- Why did Wayne Dean say to answer "it related to children" if people pressed with further questions?
- What is CJ apologising about?
- Why did at least one family decline a visit?

Malcolm Clapham may not know all the answers to these questions but he will be able to find out for you. There is nothing to stop you from going directly to Wayne Dean and asking him.

But there are many questions which deserve answers. If your leadership can't be transparent and open enough to answer your questions in relation to THEIR ACTIONS then you have a problem with your leadership.

I have known Wayne Dean for years and as I said in my post I am not surprised that he took the action he did.

As for the throwaway line about being "bitter and twisted" and "no substance in our lives" these comments have been used many times over the past 20 years by some professing folk to defer attention away from major issues that require attention. They are ignored because it is only when people have substance in their lives that they become focussed on the protection of the vulnerable - whether young or old. But don't think for a minute that this action is driven by ex-members because it is not. There are many professing people who are driving action that is necessary.

I will always highlight, in any church, areas where there are massive gaps. Whilst I am not linking CJ to safe ministry issues, you church has done nothing of any consequence to protect children. No guidelines have been issued or publicised, ministers/workers who have access to children have generally not had safe ministry training, no public apology has been issued for the hurt that has been caused many victims. To the contrary, there is a history of workers being protected and moved (much like the history of the Catholic Church), a senior psychologist (who has acted from some of Australia's major criminals) paid for by workers/friends in an attempt to get a senior Victorian worker a more lenient sentence and multiple issues being pushed under the carpet. Every other church, apart from a couple of other exclusive sects have put significant programs into place to protect children from harm.

I would simply ask you and other professing people to ask your senior workers all the hard questions - that's part of the role of being a leader.

I vote post of the week please admin

[queenslander]

All of the above has been questioned with Malcolm and Craig. If there was anything to brief Wayne Dean on, he would have been briefed. You would have to agree that we are all are waiting for something credible to come out of this propaganda. If you question something or someone enough times and spread the word, it creates a great story. I think Queensland is still wondering what there is to sort out. Why should Malcolm be telling Craig to stand down from the work?

[Roselyn T]

May 10, 2016 2:41:50 GMT -5 queenslander said:

All of the above has been questioned with Malcolm and Craig. If there was anything to brief Wayne Dean on, he would have been briefed. You would have to agree that we are all are waiting for something credible to come out of this propaganda. If you question something or someone enough times and spread the word, it creates a great story. I think Queensland is still wondering what there is to sort out. Why should Malcolm be telling Craig to stand down from the work?

queenslander, I believe there are a lot of people in Queensland who know exactly what there is to sort out !

[Ross.Bowden]

May 10, 2016 2:41:50 GMT -5 queenslander said:

All of the above has been questioned with Malcolm and Craig. If there was anything to brief Wayne Dean on, he would have been briefed. You would have to agree that we are all are waiting for something credible to come out of this propaganda. If you question something or someone enough times and spread the word, it creates a great story. I think Queensland is still wondering what there is to sort out. Why should Malcolm be telling Craig to stand down from the work?

Again, I think it is up to Malcolm to take the lead on this.

I heard that Malcolm attempted to say something up the front of a meeting recently but that it was not clear to those attending what he was saying.

I wouldn't say that people have been quick to jump on the situation.

I know friends who have talked about it for years. They have taken particular action during those years which I won't go into on a public board.

What Malcolm does in relation to Craig is his business and that of the members of the church. It's not my business.

My only comment would be in that the church I attend if the information that has been passed around for years (which is verifiable) started circulating the minister would automatically be asked to step down pending the issue being resolved. If there is no issue or the issue is resolved satisfactorily let them take their place again.

People in leadership in the Christian church - whether in full-time or lay ministry need to uphold the highest standards.

[queenslander]

May 10, 2016 2:22:31 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

May 10, 2016 2:17:02 GMT -5 Roselyn T said:

queenslander , how do you know that information has not been given to the police ?

A good question Ros and one that Queenslander could also ask the Head Worker.

The police are doing a poor job of dealing with 'That Information' you are referring to! Again, more speculation! Why hasn't anyone been to the police if there was something to report?

Malcolm (head worker) and Craig have both encouraged anyone that has any concerns (regarding these stories) to go to the police. What else do you think Craig should do to clear his name from your forums?

If you have moved on why keep looking back at what you once had, or is there something troubling you deep down? If you are genuinely content and have peace there would be no need to continue with these forums and what the people on these sites feed on. 
 

 

[queenslander]

May 10, 2016 3:00:52 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

May 10, 2016 2:41:50 GMT -5 queenslander said:

All of the above has been questioned with Malcolm and Craig. If there was anything to brief Wayne Dean on, he would have been briefed. You would have to agree that we are all are waiting for something credible to come out of this propaganda. If you question something or someone enough times and spread the word, it creates a great story. I think Queensland is still wondering what there is to sort out. Why should Malcolm be telling Craig to stand down from the work?

Again, I think it is up to Malcolm to take the lead on this.

I heard that Malcolm attempted to say something up the front of a meeting recently but that it was not clear to those attending what he was saying.

I wouldn't say that people have been quick to jump on the situation.

I know friends who have talked about it for years. They have taken particular action during those years which I won't go into on a public board.

What Malcolm does in relation to Craig is his business and that of the members of the church. It's not my business.

My only comment would be in that the church I attend if the information that has been passed around for years (which is verifiable) started circulating the minister would automatically be asked to step down pending the issue being resolved. If there is no issue or the issue is resolved satisfactorily let them take their place again.

People in leadership in the Christian church - whether in full-time or lay ministry need to uphold the highest standards.

And that is exactly what Malcolm has done. If you were in that meeting and actually heard what he had told everyone, I think you would have a completely different opinion on everything. 

[Roselyn T]

May 10, 2016 3:05:27 GMT -5 queenslander said:

May 10, 2016 2:22:31 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

A good question Ros and one that Queenslander could also ask the Head Worker.

The police are doing a poor job of dealing with 'That Information' you are referring to! Again, more speculation! Why hasn't anyone been to the police if there was something to report?

Malcolm (head worker) and Craig have both encouraged anyone that has any concerns (regarding these stories) to go to the police. What else do you think Craig should do to clear his name from your forums?

If you have moved on why keep looking back at what you once had, or is there something troubling you deep down? If you are genuinely content and have peace there would be no need to continue with these forums and what the people on these sites feed on. 
 

 

queenslander, how do you know that no one has been to the police ? Or that nothing has been reported ?

[Roselyn T]

May 10, 2016 3:10:06 GMT -5 queenslander said:

May 10, 2016 3:00:52 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Again, I think it is up to Malcolm to take the lead on this.

I heard that Malcolm attempted to say something up the front of a meeting recently but that it was not clear to those attending what he was saying.

I wouldn't say that people have been quick to jump on the situation.

I know friends who have talked about it for years. They have taken particular action during those years which I won't go into on a public board.

What Malcolm does in relation to Craig is his business and that of the members of the church. It's not my business.

My only comment would be in that the church I attend if the information that has been passed around for years (which is verifiable) started circulating the minister would automatically be asked to step down pending the issue being resolved. If there is no issue or the issue is resolved satisfactorily let them take their place again.

People in leadership in the Christian church - whether in full-time or lay ministry need to uphold the highest standards.

And that is exactly what Malcolm has done. If you were in that meeting and actually heard what he had told everyone, I think you would have a completely different opinion on everything. 

queenslander, exactly what did he say in that meeting?

[whyisitso]

May 10, 2016 3:10:06 GMT -5 queenslander said:

May 10, 2016 3:00:52 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Again, I think it is up to Malcolm to take the lead on this.

I heard that Malcolm attempted to say something up the front of a meeting recently but that it was not clear to those attending what he was saying.

I wouldn't say that people have been quick to jump on the situation.

I know friends who have talked about it for years. They have taken particular action during those years which I won't go into on a public board.

What Malcolm does in relation to Craig is his business and that of the members of the church. It's not my business.

My only comment would be in that the church I attend if the information that has been passed around for years (which is verifiable) started circulating the minister would automatically be asked to step down pending the issue being resolved. If there is no issue or the issue is resolved satisfactorily let them take their place again.

People in leadership in the Christian church - whether in full-time or lay ministry need to uphold the highest standards.

And that is exactly what Malcolm has done. If you were in that meeting and actually heard what he had told everyone, I think you would have a completely different opinion on everything. 

I've heard two very similar reports of what was said in that meeting and both are baffled by what he said or was trying to say. It wasn't clear.
Maybe if he should write down what he needs to say and read it out so people know what he's saying?

[queenslander]

May 10, 2016 3:11:15 GMT -5 Roselyn T said:

May 10, 2016 3:05:27 GMT -5 queenslander said:

The police are doing a poor job of dealing with 'That Information' you are referring to! Again, more speculation! Why hasn't anyone been to the police if there was something to report?

Malcolm (head worker) and Craig have both encouraged anyone that has any concerns (regarding these stories) to go to the police. What else do you think Craig should do to clear his name from your forums?

If you have moved on why keep looking back at what you once had, or is there something troubling you deep down? If you are genuinely content and have peace there would be no need to continue with these forums and what the people on these sites feed on. 
 

 

queenslander, how do you know that no one has been to the police ? Or that nothing has been reported ?

[Ross.Bowden]

May 10, 2016 3:39:57 GMT -5 whyisitso said:

May 10, 2016 3:10:06 GMT -5 queenslander said:

And that is exactly what Malcolm has done. If you were in that meeting and actually heard what he had told everyone, I think you would have a completely different opinion on everything. 

I've heard two very similar reports of what was said in that meeting and both are baffled by what he said or was trying to say. It wasn't clear.
Maybe if he should write down what he needs to say and read it out so people know what he's saying?

Yes, I've heard these reports from professing people as well.

A way to address that is you say, is to write a statement and read it.

Malcolm C has done that before when he wrote about the removal of "phone-ins" at Convention.

He could simply write down a similar statement and read it out.

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It is most unfortunate and disturbing that the Fellowship should be involved (caught up) in such a Controversy in the first place. It is in the best interests of the members of the fellowship to clear the air once and for all, put the matter to rest by resolution, and move on. If indeed mistakes have been made on either side, admit them and reconcile any differences; united we stand, divided we fall. The enemy of our souls must be enjoying this.

Soft words/answers turn away wrath, while harsh word stir up and fan the flames of discontent, resentment and division. Whatever became of the slogan : Love is the Kingdom's banner? Be an overcommer.. Via unity in Christ who died on Calvary's cross for our sins. This matter can be resolved, if the will to do so is there, even if some painful decisions have to be made by those with the will and authority so to do. Unless it is resolved it will get much worse. That all I have to contribue at this time, for what iit is worth. Thanks for reading it , and may Almighty God guide our paths.

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May 10, 2016 3:39:57 GMT -5 whyisitso said:

May 10, 2016 3:10:06 GMT -5 queenslander said:

And that is exactly what Malcolm has done. If you were in that meeting and actually heard what he had told everyone, I think you would have a completely different opinion on everything. 

I've heard two very similar reports of what was said in that meeting and both are baffled by what he said or was trying to say. It wasn't clear.
Maybe if he should write down what he needs to say and read it out so people know what he's saying?

Maybe the people you are hearing it from are not clear with what they are passing on? Maybe they have another agenda? Malcolm has and is making it very clear to everyone that understands English, to talk to him if they have any concerns and to go to the police with anything that would/could be a police matter. What more do you think he should do? What more do you think Craig should do?
I know this doesn't help feed your forum however these are the only legitimate questions that Maybe you could answer?