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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:30:47 GMT -5
Jesus taught His disciples to serve each other.The workers are served by the friends on hand and foot.We were facing very difficult situations in several states and the friends knew about it but except for 3 out of about 90 friends/workers the rest turned a blind eye. Now on the contrary the workers would never get treated like this. The workers are the "forever guests" and have no glue how the least of their brethren gets treated. I actually told the worker in our area about our experience and how I felt this meeting had a lack of love. His reply was what could he do about it except pray.How about being a Paul and sending a general letter of concern to that meeting?It would mean having some back bone.If we never get corrected how can we grow spiritually? We used to get corrected about our appearance in the past by workers,I could not even get baptized since my hair was in a bob hairstyle. My own Aunt that was in the work still asked me how can I expect to be baptized with such short hair .But they have been lacking in admonishing us about much more critical things concerning our salvation.
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Post by breakfree on Apr 27, 2016 23:00:48 GMT -5
If only some would give more attention to God
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:46:11 GMT -5
If only some would give more attention to God Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE.
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Post by pa on Apr 28, 2016 16:16:06 GMT -5
They have conventions now in South Africa, this may be why no answer yet. However I would not be surprised if you get no answer.
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Post by withlove on Apr 28, 2016 17:35:06 GMT -5
If only some would give more attention to God Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE. If the three men knew you sent them each the same email, they likely are discussing how to best respond. Which is unfortunate. Each one should be able to answer honestly and individually. What the lady worker told you is heart-breaking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 20:38:28 GMT -5
If only some would give more attention to God Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE. there could be a couple of reasons why they haven't answered you namely they are overseers and they do get a lot of letters from people...a week isn't very long...
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Post by ellie on Apr 28, 2016 21:36:07 GMT -5
Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE. there could be a couple of reasons why they haven't answered you namely they are overseers and they do get a lot of letters from people...a week isn't very long... I disagree. A week is a long time to respond to an email IMO. If I ignored emails for a week I would sooner rather than later get fired from my job. Not replying to an email from a member of the congregation for a week is poor form IMO. At the minimum I would expect an acknowledgement of the email and an indication of response time. E.g. I’ll get back to you (insert time period here).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 8:25:19 GMT -5
Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE. there could be a couple of reasons why they haven't answered you namely they are overseers and they do get a lot of letters from people...a week isn't very long... Ok I will wait and see....
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Post by breakfree on Apr 29, 2016 8:44:23 GMT -5
there could be a couple of reasons why they haven't answered you namely they are overseers and they do get a lot of letters from people...a week isn't very long... Ok I will wait and see.... Boksburg,I don't think you will get an answer via email....if this issue is so important to you,talk to them face to face.... just remember we cannot change people,only ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 8:52:13 GMT -5
Right! The other day I wrote a e mail to a lady worker in South Africa asking for the head workers e mail address,I wanted to talk to them about serious concerns I have. She said: "May I ask you to be directly in contact with our overseers regarding this matter without involving me..I would appreciate this as we choose to do things with their approval first."Well I e mail the 3 head workers of South Africa in regards to my concern about CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship and ministry. They have not replied yet and it's been a week! All that I can say is this is proof of their lack of love for the innocent/vulnerable amongst us and actual a lack of love for the fellowship in general. This poor lady worker doesn't know that those that she is placing her trust in is lacking in the basics of Christianity and that is LOVE. If the three men knew you sent them each the same email, they likely are discussing how to best respond. Which is unfortunate. Each one should be able to answer honestly and individually. What the lady worker told you is heart-breaking. Right, since they should be led by the Holy Spirit and not be influenced by each others. And they could at least have acknowledged that they got my e mail and will respond later in full,that is just decency.
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Post by withlove on Apr 29, 2016 9:53:19 GMT -5
If it is convention time, I can understand them thinking they would get to it after convention as they would be extra busy now. Maybe they even are thinking they will get some clarity on what to do while they are there. Or maybe they will have some discussion between meetings about how they should change their approach to the whole problem.
Here's hoping!
They're no doubt are aware that their answer could end up on the Internet. The fear of that could make them want time to process and come up with a careful answer. But, yeah, it would have been nice to get an acknowledgment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 11:10:26 GMT -5
They have conventions now in South Africa, this may be why no answer yet. However I would not be surprised if you get no answer. Thanks for the info pa. I will wait patiently and if no one comes back I will continue praying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 11:18:58 GMT -5
If it is convention time, I can understand them thinking they would get to it after convention as they would be extra busy now. Maybe they even are thinking they will get some clarity on what to do while they are there. Or maybe they will have some discussion between meetings about how they should change their approach to the whole problem. Here's hoping! They're no doubt are aware that their answer could end up on the Internet. The fear of that could make them want time to process and come up with a careful answer. But, yeah, it would have been nice to get an acknowledgment. I think and and hope that with all the pressure they receive from different one's that they will realize that there needs to be a change in attitude towards friends/workers coming to them with valued concerns and to also have the friends directly involved in decision making since it effects us directly. If more of us complain and voice our concerns they will just have to listen and respond appropriately for their own good and for the good of the fellowship.Lets keep on having a positive attitude.
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Post by rational on May 1, 2016 18:20:51 GMT -5
They have conventions now in South Africa, this may be why no answer yet. However I would not be surprised if you get no answer. Thanks for the info pa. I will wait patiently and if no one comes back I will continue praying. Two questions: 1) For what would you be praying? 2) Has praying worked in the past?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:16:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the info pa. I will wait patiently and if no one comes back I will continue praying. Two questions: 1) For what would you be praying? 2) Has praying worked in the past? 1)Praying that those in trusted positions as the head workers and workers would be led by the Spirit of God. 2)I have not prayed about this specific problem before,I did not even know that it could be possible amongst us, call me ignorant if you want to. But now my eye's have been opened.
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Post by rational on May 2, 2016 8:22:33 GMT -5
Two questions: 1) For what would you be praying? 2) Has praying worked in the past? 1)Praying that those in trusted positions as the head workers and workers would be led by the Spirit of God. 2)I have not prayed about this specific problem before,I did not even know that it could be possible amongst us, call me ignorant if you want to. But now my eye's have been opened. I was in no way calling you ignorant. I was wondering what you felt about the efficacy of prayer. It seems like many people who try to do something approach it and attempt to make it work and then as a last resort, so to speak, resort to prayer. For a believer wouldn't prayer be the first and final solution to problems?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:56:31 GMT -5
1)Praying that those in trusted positions as the head workers and workers would be led by the Spirit of God. 2)I have not prayed about this specific problem before,I did not even know that it could be possible amongst us, call me ignorant if you want to. But now my eye's have been opened. I was in no way calling you ignorant. I was wondering what you felt about the efficacy of prayer. It seems like many people who try to do something approach it and attempt to make it work and then as a last resort, so to speak, resort to prayer. For a believer wouldn't prayer be the first and final solution to problems? I know you weren't,I was implying that myself for having such faith in man in the past. You are right we should pray about it first but God doesn't expect us not to do anything about serious things as CSA and sexual immoralities in the fellowship, there is way's to deal with it according to His Word= Bible.
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Post by breakfree on May 6, 2016 20:40:02 GMT -5
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change... courage to change the things I can....... and Wisdom to know the difference...
and Faith to believe that God can do all things....
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Post by rational on May 7, 2016 1:43:32 GMT -5
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change... courage to change the things I can....... and Wisdom to know the difference... and Faith to believe that God can do all things.... I respect the amount of faith that would require.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 2:03:16 GMT -5
Jesus taught His disciples to serve each other.The workers are served by the friends on hand and foot.We were facing very difficult situations in several states and the friends knew about it but except for 3 out of about 90 friends/workers the rest turned a blind eye. Now on the contrary the workers would never get treated like this. The workers are the "forever guests" and have no glue how the least of their brethren gets treated. I actually told the worker in our area about our experience and how I felt this meeting had a lack of love. His reply was what could he do about it except pray.How about being a Paul and sending a general letter of concern to that meeting?It would mean having some back bone.If we never get corrected how can we grow spiritually? We used to get corrected about our appearance in the past by workers,I could not even get baptized since my hair was in a bob hairstyle. My own Aunt that was in the work still asked me how can I expect to be baptized with such short hair .But they have been lacking in admonishing us about much more critical things concerning our salvation. Yes. That is true and it is comforting to see that not EVERYONE are burying their heads in the sand. But I would still give special treatment to the workers because that is scriptural. That happens rarely, however, because we don't give them money and nice cars and expensive food and a fancy home. We have deliberately downsized so we CAN'T do that anymore. Hasn't done anyone any good. We're in the way but we're outcasts. There are some just amazing promises from Jesus for the outcasts. We don't want to miss it.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 2:16:10 GMT -5
there could be a couple of reasons why they haven't answered you namely they are overseers and they do get a lot of letters from people...a week isn't very long... I disagree. A week is a long time to respond to an email IMO. If I ignored emails for a week I would sooner rather than later get fired from my job. Not replying to an email from a member of the congregation for a week is poor form IMO. At the minimum I would expect an acknowledgement of the email and an indication of response time. E.g. I’ll get back to you (insert time period here). The workers "jobs" are much different than any other "job". Jesus never rushed to a situation even when someone was dying! Jesus never seemed to seek his disciples counsel, only God's, but He was perfect. Someone reminded me of Proverbs 11:14 KJV Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. They are not blind to these things but it's a much bigger matter that they are dealing with than we even realize, and so don't even expect a reply or be offended if you don't get one. It's enough that you have just sent an email. God will take it from there. You've done your part.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 2:22:04 GMT -5
If it is convention time, I can understand them thinking they would get to it after convention as they would be extra busy now. Maybe they even are thinking they will get some clarity on what to do while they are there. Or maybe they will have some discussion between meetings about how they should change their approach to the whole problem. Here's hoping! They're no doubt are aware that their answer could end up on the Internet. The fear of that could make them want time to process and come up with a careful answer. But, yeah, it would have been nice to get an acknowledgment. I think and and hope that with all the pressure they receive from different one's that they will realize that there needs to be a change in attitude towards friends/workers coming to them with valued concerns and to also have the friends directly involved in decision making since it effects us directly. If more of us complain and voice our concerns they will just have to listen and respond appropriately for their own good and for the good of the fellowship.Lets keep on having a positive attitude. Yes there needs to be a change but no not necessarily have the friends directly involved in the decision making. What chaos that is!!! Everyone wantimg to have things done their way and this is not a democracy! For crying out loud.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 2:25:15 GMT -5
Jesus taught His disciples to serve each other.The workers are served by the friends on hand and foot.We were facing very difficult situations in several states and the friends knew about it but except for 3 out of about 90 friends/workers the rest turned a blind eye. Now on the contrary the workers would never get treated like this. The workers are the "forever guests" and have no glue how the least of their brethren gets treated. I actually told the worker in our area about our experience and how I felt this meeting had a lack of love. His reply was what could he do about it except pray.How about being a Paul and sending a general letter of concern to that meeting?It would mean having some back bone.If we never get corrected how can we grow spiritually? We used to get corrected about our appearance in the past by workers,I could not even get baptized since my hair was in a bob hairstyle. My own Aunt that was in the work still asked me how can I expect to be baptized with such short hair .But they have been lacking in admonishing us about much more critical things concerning our salvation. We are facing very difficult situations worldwide...His coming has begun.
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Post by ellie on Feb 19, 2020 5:59:22 GMT -5
I disagree. A week is a long time to respond to an email IMO. If I ignored emails for a week I would sooner rather than later get fired from my job. Not replying to an email from a member of the congregation for a week is poor form IMO. At the minimum I would expect an acknowledgement of the email and an indication of response time. E.g. I’ll get back to you (insert time period here). The workers "jobs" are much different than any other "job". Jesus never rushed to a situation even when someone was dying! Jesus never seemed to seek his disciples counsel, only God's, but He was perfect. Someone reminded me of Proverbs 11:14 KJV Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. They are not blind to these things but it's a much bigger matter that they are dealing with than we even realize, and so don't even expect a reply or be offended if you don't get one. I thought they were aiming to be shepherds. Not responding to an email gives the impression that the flock is of little importance. A quick reply, even an I'll pray and get back to you is a way of serving others well and lets the people know they are valued. Not my email.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 10:09:38 GMT -5
The workers "jobs" are much different than any other "job". Jesus never rushed to a situation even when someone was dying! Jesus never seemed to seek his disciples counsel, only God's, but He was perfect. Someone reminded me of Proverbs 11:14 KJV Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. They are not blind to these things but it's a much bigger matter that they are dealing with than we even realize, and so don't even expect a reply or be offended if you don't get one. I thought they were aiming to be shepherds. Not responding to an email gives the impression that the flock is of little importance. A quick reply, even an I'll pray and get back to you is a way of serving others well and lets the people know they are valued. Not my email. I wrote some workers about something really serious and never got an answer back. At first it bothered me because I have a big ego and think I deserve an answer in the time and manner I want, or that society teaches me is acceptable. After reading some of these threads, I feel much different about it. I said what I needed to say and it's just comforting for me to know that the workers know. Unfortunately, I don't recognize my own errors often until I see them in others.
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Post by snow on Feb 19, 2020 15:37:27 GMT -5
iam you probably know this, but thought I'd mention it in case you don't. Many of the people you are responding to are no longer on here and haven't been for years. So if you are expecting them to answer, it's not going to happen. However, if you're just responding to have a further conversation with those who are still on here, disregard this post.
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Post by iam on Feb 19, 2020 15:54:22 GMT -5
iam you probably know this, but thought I'd mention it in case you don't. Many of the people you are responding to are no longer on here and haven't been for years. So if you are expecting them to answer, it's not going to happen. However, if you're just responding to have a further conversation with those who are still on here, disregard this post. No I didn't know that. That's hilarious. I'm having a conversation with myself 😄! Which sometimes is better than the alternative 🥴?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:20:40 GMT -5
The big problem is that Workers never receive pastoral training. That means they do not have the professional skills to deal with problems. Their answer to pray about it is a do nothing reply. Much better if they were able to give proper counselling.
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