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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 18:25:36 GMT -5
I think the zodiac is a map of the visable constellations that we see from this earth. The interesting thing about it, is these constellations seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth. Is there a reason for this? Is there a story that is told by these constellations? It seems that many times in the bible, i.e.: Job ,Psalms, Isaiah, etc. there is mention of there being a purpose to understand these heavenly "signs" . I read that Jesus was born around the middle of Virgo constellation, and the brightest star in Virgo was located at the forehead of the virgins son Are you a talking about Astrology when you say that is these constellations "seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth.
Astrological beliefs in correspondences between celestial observations and terrestrial events have influenced various aspects of human history, including world-views, language and many elements of social culture.
Indications of such a belief are very old. Some marks on cave walls seem to attest to that.
Do you really think that constellations affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth? Babylonian astrology was the first organized system of astrology, arising in the 2nd millennium BC. Perhaps that is where the Israelites got their belief when they were in captivity.
No I am not discussing astrology or familiar spirits either!!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2016 18:32:38 GMT -5
Are you a talking about Astrology when you say that is these constellations "seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth.
'Astrological beliefs in correspondences between celestial observations and terrestrial events have influenced various aspects of human history, including world-views, language and many elements of social culture."
Indications of such a belief are very old. Some marks on cave walls seem to attest to that.
Do you really think that constellations affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth? Babylonian astrology was the first organized system of astrology, arising in the 2nd millennium BC. Perhaps that is where the Israelites got their belief when they were in captivity.
No I am not discussing astrology or familiar spirits either!! If not astrology, -what did you mean by the statement ,"is these constellations seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth?"
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 18:36:50 GMT -5
There are 12 constellations , and 36 additional Constellations , ((3 per )) involved that are oriented to this earth we live on. The Hebrew knew the names of them, as they Were in close contact with the creator and name giver Accordingly , the names had meanings. If you Know the meaning of each constellation, they have the same meaning in every language on the earth! That seems to show that their names preceded the proliferation of human beings many languages. Or as some would say the "tower of Babel" . I not sure how to post "links" , I will google "Hebrew names for 12 constellations" and their meanings. I'll let you know if that works
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 18:40:21 GMT -5
No I am not discussing astrology or familiar spirits either!! If not astrology, -what did you mean by the statement ,"is these constellations seem to affect the behaviors of living beings on this earth?" I think God himself said something of the sort in the book of Job "Sweet influences of either or plebes or Orion? I'll check on it
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 18:45:24 GMT -5
In order for justice to exist, there needed to be universal laws that need be obeyed.
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 18:58:41 GMT -5
dmch could you find the link?
The web site of several : zodiac: the bible in the stars.
all 48 constellations tell the story of Jesus .... Starting with Virgo and child , the lion of the tribe of Judah, etc
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 19:08:23 GMT -5
In order for justice to exist, there needed to be universal laws that need be obeyed. There is an easier to read site: the meaning of the zodiac
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 20:36:06 GMT -5
It gives a new and literal meaning to the verse,
Thy word is settled in heaven!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2016 22:42:05 GMT -5
dmch could you find the link? The web site of several : zodiac: the bible in the stars.all 48 constellations tell the story of Jesus .... Starting with Virgo and child , the lion of the tribe of Judah, etc Thanks, I found it and was reading along trying to understand it when I came to this: "Around the town of Glastonbury, England, where Jesus spent time as a youth, and where Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, founded the Christian Church of England in 37 AD, there is built into the landscape a huge Zodiac. This was only discovered in recent times."
That absolutely blew it! That is nothing but hogwash! Since that cannot be even remotely true, how can anyone put any trust in the rest of it?
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 23:19:18 GMT -5
Suit yourself!
The constellation web sites are numerous, plenty of web sites that might not mention Jesus great uncle, Have to admit I never heard of that before, but if he indeed hauled freight from Israel to Britain , it might be ...... Hmmm , I will check it out
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 23:35:02 GMT -5
Good tobe sckeptical, nevertheless I did like the thought that the church that was created in England was known to predate the R CC , thus nullifying the RCC claim as the first church. Interesting
Nevertheless the web site : the meaning of the zodiac
Does not mention anything about England!
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 23:42:45 GMT -5
dmch could you find the link? reading along trying to understand it when I came to this: [/b][/font] "Around the town of Glastonbury, England, where Jesus spent time as a youth, and where Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, founded the Christian Church of England in 37 AD, there is built into the landscape a huge Zodiac. This was only discovered in recent times."
That absolutely blew it! That is nothing but hogwash! Since that cannot be even remotely true, how can anyone put any trust in the rest of it?
[/quote] How can anyone trust an evolutionist!! Hmm
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 23:49:13 GMT -5
If an evolutionist said that 3+4=7 , all we can agre that it's probably hogwash, because he is severely gullible!?
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Post by Commonman on May 19, 2016 23:54:29 GMT -5
[/b][/font] "Around the town of Glastonbury, England, where Jesus spent time as a youth, and where Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, founded the Christian Church of England in 37 AD, there is built into the landscape a huge Zodiac. This was only discovered in recent times."
That absolutely blew it! That is nothing but hogwash! Since that cannot be even remotely true, how can anyone put any trust in the rest of it?
[/quote] How can anyone trust an evolutionist!! Hmm[/quote] Did they meet in homes?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2016 0:10:45 GMT -5
Suit yourself! The constellation web sites are numerous,plenty of web sites that might not mention Jesus great uncle, Have to admit I never heard of that before,but if he indeed hauled freight from Israel to Britain , it might be ...... Hmmm , I will check it out How could it possibly be true that in Jesus spent time as a youth, in Glastonbury, England that Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, founded the Christian Church of England in 37 AD?
The village wasn't even occupied by the Romans until around 100 AD
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2016 0:19:20 GMT -5
[/b][/font] "Around the town of Glastonbury, England, where Jesus spent time as a youth, and where Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, founded the Christian Church of England in 37 AD, there is built into the landscape a huge Zodiac. This was only discovered in recent times."
That absolutely blew it! That is nothing but hogwash! Since that cannot be even remotely true, how can anyone put any trust in the rest of it?
[/quote] How can anyone trust an evolutionist!! Hmm[/quote] Did they meet in homes? [/quote] How can anyone trust evolution? Easily, because there is solid evidence for evolution.
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Post by Commonman on May 20, 2016 6:03:47 GMT -5
The name Sphinx , means to bind together
The Sphinx has the head of a woman and the back Of a lion .
The story begins with Virgo and ends with lion . Interesting connection to zodiac which means The pathway
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Post by Commonman on May 20, 2016 6:05:31 GMT -5
The name Sphinx , means to bind together
The Sphinx has the head of a woman and the back Of a lion .
The story begins with Virgo and ends with lion . Interesting connection to zodiac which means The pathway
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Post by Commonman on May 20, 2016 7:48:23 GMT -5
There is very interesting history of Glastonbury , Joseph of armathea , was known to made trips to there , trade in Iron ore , Don't think he started a "church" there , but many people think when they have a building, that is a church I can understand this confusion because that is how secularists and many religious people view it. But in the era of 37-57 ad , I would think the building Joseph built in Glastonberry had another purpose than to house a congregation, if there were believers there, they would have certainly did as Jesus taught and met in homes.
Likely much of these anecdotal accounts have some basis , and some myths associated with them
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Post by Commonman on May 20, 2016 9:20:49 GMT -5
So, even more remarkable is this zodiac athe in Glastonbury, It wasn't discovered until 1927 by a lady from Canada, And it is so large (11 miles in diameter) that it's impossible to see unless you are far above it.
They are uncertain how it got there, ...either by nature or by the One that directs the course of nature! Very interesting , and wonderfully made.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2016 13:18:11 GMT -5
There is very interesting history of Glastonbury ,Joseph of armathea , was known to made trips to there , trade in Iron ore , Don't think he started a "church" there , but many people think when they have a building, that is a church I can understand this confusion because that is how secularists and many religious people view it. But in the era of 37-57 ad , I would think the building Joseph built in Glastonberry had another purpose than to house a congregation, if there were believers there, they would have certainly did as Jesus taught and met in homes. Likely much of these anecdotal accounts have some basis , and some myths associated with them All of this is a legend:
a legend is a non -historical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.
Would you also consider whether the legend of King Arthur and the round table could be true? Actually since that legend is about people from that area it might be more believable than about a Jewish man coming from the Near East and starting a Christian church in such an early time.
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Post by rational on May 20, 2016 17:32:33 GMT -5
The constellations near virgo are: Boötes - ox driver Coma Berenices - Berenice’s Hair Corvus - ravin Crater - cup Hydra - water snake Leo - lion Libra - weighing scales Serpens Caput - serpent your story, like many of them, has little to do with known facts. You could have made up a story about the ox driver coming up to the house where the virgin, Berenice, was seen combing her hair. When the raven crowed in alarm she looked out the window and saw Boötes watching her as she finished her daily bathing rituals.
Warning him about the lion, she invited him to come in and offered him a cup of water. Later she had him eliminate the snakes in the yard and used the scales to weigh the gold he owed her. (for the water, of course!)The earliest knowledge of constellations has been Hebrew peoples study. The bible says that God named all the stars, and formed the constellations. Where were you! When God decorated the universe with his constellations?? Eh? You might want to consider Mesopotamia.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2016 21:32:42 GMT -5
So, even more remarkable is this zodiac athe in Glastonbury, It wasn't discovered until 1927 by a lady from Canada, And it is so large (11 miles in diameter) that it's impossible to see unless you are far above it. They are uncertain how it got there, ...either by nature or by the One that directs the course of nature! Very interesting , and wonderfully made. Concerning the Zodiac at Glastonbury, -perhaps you need to read more than just the one source. "The idea was examined by two independent studies, one by Ian Burrow in 1975 [1] and the other in 1983 by Tom Williamson and Liz Bellamy,[2] using the standard methods of landscape historical research.
Both studies concluded that the evidence contradicted the idea. The eye of Capricorn identified by Maltwood was a haystack. The western wing of the Aquarius phoenix was a road laid in 1782 to run around Glastonbury, and older maps dating back to the 1620s show the road had no predecessors.
The Cancer boat (not a crab as would be expected) is made up of a network of eighteenth century drainage ditches and paths. There are some Neolithic paths preserved in the peat of the bog formerly comprising most of the area, but none of the known paths match the lines of the zodiac features.
There is no support for this theory, or for the existence of the "temple" in any form, from conventional archaeologists or mainstream historians." -wiki
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Post by rational on May 20, 2016 21:56:28 GMT -5
So, even more remarkable is this zodiac athe in Glastonbury, It wasn't discovered until 1927 by a lady from Canada, And it is so large (11 miles in diameter) that it's impossible to see unless you are far above it. They are uncertain how it got there, ...either by nature or by the One that directs the course of nature! Very interesting , and wonderfully made. Concerning the Zodiac at Glastonbury, -perhaps you need to read more than just the one source. "The idea was examined by two independent studies, one by Ian Burrow in 1975 [1] and the other in 1983 by Tom Williamson and Liz Bellamy,[2] using the standard methods of landscape historical research.
Both studies concluded that the evidence contradicted the idea. The eye of Capricorn identified by Maltwood was a haystack. The western wing of the Aquarius phoenix was a road laid in 1782 to run around Glastonbury, and older maps dating back to the 1620s show the road had no predecessors.
The Cancer boat (not a crab as would be expected) is made up of a network of eighteenth century drainage ditches and paths. There are some Neolithic paths preserved in the peat of the bog formerly comprising most of the area, but none of the known paths match the lines of the zodiac features.
There is no support for this theory, or for the existence of the "temple" in any form, from conventional archaeologists or mainstream historians." -wikiBut aren't these stories fun if you are not constrained by any factual information? Like reading a fairy tale that confirms your every belief!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2016 22:39:53 GMT -5
Concerning the Zodiac at Glastonbury, -perhaps you need to read more than just the one source. "The idea was examined by two independent studies, one by Ian Burrow in 1975 [1] and the other in 1983 by Tom Williamson and Liz Bellamy,[2] using the standard methods of landscape historical research. Both studies concluded that the evidence contradicted the idea. The eye of Capricorn identified by Maltwood was a haystack. The western wing of the Aquarius phoenix was a road laid in 1782 to run around Glastonbury, and older maps dating back to the 1620s show the road had no predecessors.
The Cancer boat (not a crab as would be expected) is made up of a network of eighteenth century drainage ditches and paths. There are some Neolithic paths preserved in the peat of the bog formerly comprising most of the area, but none of the known paths match the lines of the zodiac features.
There is no support for this theory, or for the existence of the "temple" in any form, from conventional archaeologists or mainstream historians." -wiki But aren't these stories fun if you are not constrained by any factual information? Like reading a fairy tale that confirms your every belief! Oh definitely!
Who wants to face this cruel hard world of truth when you can imagine whatever you want & not bother to check any any facts!
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Post by Commonman on May 29, 2016 7:11:25 GMT -5
Science is a wonderful tool when honest Scientists use honest evidence . It is very sad when a position of some people is affected by dishonest scientists that use dishonest evidence to promote theories that they use to deceive Gods people-- and claim that there evidence is proof.
That is real sad , and they should be held in contempt! People are gullible, they think scientists would Never lie about evidence, but sadly that is not true. Scientists are human beings that have a sinful nature, when they reject God, they expose themselves to the most horrendous deceptions possible,
and not only believe lies, but teach them as fact to those that engage their foolish council.
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Post by rational on May 29, 2016 8:41:26 GMT -5
Science is a wonderful tool when honest Scientists use honest evidence . It is very sad when a position of some people is affected by dishonest scientists that use dishonest evidence to promote theories that they use to deceive Gods people-- and claim that there evidence is proof. And the process that keeps the scientists honest is that data is offered for peer review and anyone can look at the procedure, repeat the exercise, and refute the findings if they do not agree. This has happened in several well publicized cases: Blondlot and N-raysFleischmann–Pons claims of nuclear fusionBoth of these cases show why it would be very difficult for a hypothesis that is not supported by verifiable facts to become an accepted theory, such as the claims made above. If you hypothesize that eating a lot of beans will give you flatulence and enable you to float you should be prepared to eat a lot of beans and provide proof of your convictions. Otherwise it is nothing more than hot air. Do you have any evidence to support your claim(s)?
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Post by Commonman on May 29, 2016 9:07:14 GMT -5
Most people that have been deceived , do not Enjoy admitting that they were hoodwinked!
Often they want freedom from their own guiltiness...
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