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Post by More proofs on Jun 12, 2018 20:28:17 GMT -5
perhaps there are many things that we are uncertain about, like say elves? ( do they exist somewhere in my imagination?) ha but there are some things we know exist, most certainly! : youtu.be/dfvVu7__vy0...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:31:28 GMT -5
perhaps there are many things that we are uncertain about, like say elves? ( do they exist somewhere in my imagination?) ha but there are some things we know exist, most certainly! : youtu.be/dfvVu7__vy0...... hmmm kinda starts off wishy washy on belief not sure i like that.... |
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Post by friend on Jun 13, 2018 2:11:42 GMT -5
perhaps there are many things that we are uncertain about, like say elves? ( do they exist somewhere in my imagination?) ha but there are some things we know exist, most certainly! : youtu.be/dfvVu7__vy0...... hmmm kinda starts off wishy washy on belief not sure i like that.... perhaps that does describe it , also. (Jordan is an extremely analytical thinker, yet he confesses there must be some “magic” involved in our world/universe) magic == miraculous events Jordan has some interesting insights, and uses logical thinking in a unique , very unique manner. i enjoyed several of his “lectures” , probably because he embraces conservative values, imo Thanks for your comment, I agree he can seem to be someone skeptical, ...,🤔 |
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Post by snow on Jun 13, 2018 14:51:25 GMT -5
Just because there are things we don't yet understand, doesn't mean there is anything magical about them. It just means we don't understand them yet.
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Post by friend on Jun 13, 2018 19:50:55 GMT -5
Just because there are things we don't yet understand, doesn't mean there is anything magical about them. It just means we don't understand them yet. Hmmm, well...... have you listened to what Jordan said in his talk? (the short vid clip that Wally was referring to..) He analyzes the things that we don’t yet know, humans are a bounded lot, we are bounded by what we don’t know (ignorance). And then he is asked about how spirit should be defined, and he gives an interesting allegory of transmissions. (you must have heard about him, he was born in northern Alberta, about 60+ years ago??) |
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Post by friend on Jun 13, 2018 19:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by Friend Lee on Jun 16, 2018 8:57:50 GMT -5
Just because there are things we don't yet understand, doesn't mean there is anything magical about them. It just means we don't understand them yet. Well, just because there are things that are infinite, doesn’t mean that we know all about infinity! 🤦🏻♂️ Nor do we know how infinite things exist, and that infinite life and infinite being are outside the human mind to comprehend, ....yet our ignorance of such, is the goal of science, at its basic and core level. Once we are recognizing these things to exist, our ignorance will decline substantially . 🤷♂️ IMHO !😉 |
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2018 13:05:42 GMT -5
Just because there are things we don't yet understand, doesn't mean there is anything magical about them. It just means we don't understand them yet. Well, just because there are things that are infinite, doesn’t mean that we know all about infinity! 🤦🏻♂️ Nor do we know how infinite things exist, and that infinite life and infinite being are outside the human mind to comprehend, ....yet our ignorance of such, is the goal of science, at its basic and core level. Once we are recognizing these things to exist, our ignorance will decline substantially . 🤷♂️ IMHO !😉 What we don't know or yet understand does not need to be replaced with a belief that God did it. |
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Post by Friend Lee on Jun 16, 2018 14:07:32 GMT -5
Well, just because there are things that are infinite, doesn’t mean that we know all about infinity! 🤦🏻♂️ Nor do we know how infinite things exist, and that infinite life and infinite being are outside the human mind to comprehend, ....yet our ignorance of such, is the goal of science, at its basic and core level. Once we are recognizing these things to exist, our ignorance will decline substantially . 🤷♂️ IMHO !😉 What we don't know or yet understand does not need to be replaced with a belief that God did it. I believe in “revelations “ . They will explain everything |
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2018 14:11:25 GMT -5
What we don't know or yet understand does not need to be replaced with a belief that God did it. I believe in “revelations “ . They will explain everything Revelations?! It's written like someone on an acid trip! Nothing in revelations explains anything except that acid can be quite the trip into a world of delusion! |
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Post by Friend Lee on Jun 16, 2018 15:31:22 GMT -5
I believe in “revelations “ . They will explain everything Revelations?! It's written like someone on an acid trip! Nothing in revelations explains anything except that acid can be quite the trip into a world of delusion! Just because we are ignorant of the validation of the “The Revelation of John” , does not mean that it will not be validated in the future. Nevertheless, the word revelation, is the opposite of “delusion “ . 🤔😉 revelations are truths, (when they are revealed, we see/understand what the answers are to the questions we have) If our vision is errored, we only receive a delusion. Have you experienced (either/or ) delusions or revelations? just wondering (btw, I was referring to my own personal revelations, and not to the Book : the Revelation of John, (it is quite unfair to judge something unless you understand what the author means , IMO ). You can reject his revelation, but if his revelation comes true, then it wasn’t a delusion! 🙂 |
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Post by friend on Jun 16, 2018 19:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jun 17, 2018 12:37:47 GMT -5
Revelations?! It's written like someone on an acid trip! Nothing in revelations explains anything except that acid can be quite the trip into a world of delusion! Just because we are ignorant of the validation of the “The Revelation of John” , does not mean that it will not be validated in the future. Nevertheless, the word revelation, is the opposite of “delusion “ . 🤔😉 revelations are truths, (when they are revealed, we see/understand what the answers are to the questions we have) If our vision is errored, we only receive a delusion. Have you experienced (either/or ) delusions or revelations? just wondering (btw, I was referring to my own personal revelations, and not to the Book : the Revelation of John, (it is quite unfair to judge something unless you understand what the author means , IMO ). You can reject his revelation, but if his revelation comes true, then it wasn’t a delusion! 🙂 Let's put it this way. If ever the book of Revelations becomes validated we are in serious trouble. It reads like the book of Enoch and that's one messed up piece of literature if there ever was one! |
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Post by friend lee on Jun 17, 2018 13:17:03 GMT -5
Well, we could put it that way, if that is your opinion! 🤷♂️
Then again we could put it the way John and others that
believe that God is planning eternal bliss to those that:
“...that believe that God is, and He is a rewarderer toward
those that do diligently seek after Him. “
Let’s put it this way , if you don’t mind, (of course I hope that you certainly
don’t need to reply if you are weary of my reply’s ! 🤔 ),
.....yes, for me God does exist, and I do have a lot to
learn, for me to understand this is MY beginning of
reality/knowledge, as without God nothing could exist.
(And science proves that!! 🙂)
Thank You!
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Post by snow on Jun 17, 2018 13:38:00 GMT -5
Well, we could put it that way, if that is your opinion! 🤷♂️ Then again we could put it the way John and others that believe that God is planning eternal bliss to those that: “...that believe that God is, and He is a rewarderer toward those that do diligently seek after Him. “ Let’s put it this way , if you don’t mind, (of course I hope that you certainly don’t need to reply if you are weary of my reply’s ! 🤔 ), .....yes, for me God does exist, and I do have a lot to learn, for me to understand this is MY beginning of reality/knowledge, as without God nothing could exist. (And science proves that!! 🙂) Thank You! Why does belief in a god need to be so brutal for those who don't believe in the same god? Christians hate Muslims, Christians tolerate Jews because they believe they are part of the required criteria for Jesus to return, Muslims hate Christians and Jews believe they are the only chosen people. It's a mess this belief in Gods! Yes, that's just my opinion. |
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Post by friendlee on Jun 17, 2018 14:57:47 GMT -5
Hmmm, “brutal boxes”, eh?
Oh that is grievous to comprehend, since the
only way we should consider people to be way outside
that “brutality box”.
“Only be known , by the love shown to one another”
And we have a wonderful commandment that is similar
“To love thy neighbor as we live our selves! “
Not that there aren’t some that come up short of what
we all know we should strive to be. 🤦🏻♂️
Thanks for the observation , sadly some people that
use brutality, might be brutally awoken , when the
pass on .
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Post by friendlee on Jun 17, 2018 16:33:36 GMT -5
Something went “haywire”, that is why God sent
messangers to proclaim the good plan that God has ordained if any would seek after Him , our Creator. Would it be reasonable that we should
show our appreciation for this?
if you don’t wish to participate in this family plan ,
it may cause “regret” at some future time, some
consider this eternal regret (hell/hades/torment? )
no one can know what this torment will
feel like, but nevertheless, it seems to be
a self inflicted status? ?, imo
but there is no need to regret the future,
if we wisely choose today who we
perfer to believe? Eh
thank you again
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Post by friend on Jun 18, 2018 22:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by friend on Jun 18, 2018 22:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 23:12:36 GMT -5
love shapiro but sometimes i can't understand what it is hes saying.... |
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Post by friend on Jun 19, 2018 18:22:28 GMT -5
love shapiro but sometimes i can't understand what it is hes saying.... a Supreme Actualizer! well yaaah, a great oration in dismantling the fake news about “ we can’t know which “creation” / “lawmaker” / “covenant “ is the Supreme Reality! Nature teaches us this : / Romans 1: 20-21 ( that “they cannot plead ignorance of God, “ ). So true. There are plenty of things that we can plead ignorance toward, but certainly not in the design of our “uni-verse “. ( even the name points to a purpose for ..) Yes, Ben isn’t perfect, but he has a gift of insight that is really spot on, IMO, of course, 🤦🏻♂️LOL |
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Post by friend on Jun 19, 2018 19:07:45 GMT -5
Sound bites of discussions that separated Ben S. from the liberal socialist Left policies: youtu.be/ytLHx0DHTYw🤔 HMMM! |
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Post by quest on Dec 2, 2018 22:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by quest on Dec 2, 2018 22:21:23 GMT -5
author="Ummm" timestamp="1515239152" source="/post/771098/thread"]Her name is Vivika Ponten, (Sweden)[/quote] One of her vids: youtu.be/de3ZmVJJYri[/quote][bAnother adventure to gulf of Aqaba , Red Sea , And Mt Sinai , and the relics left from the Hebrew wanderings there. TY |
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Post by quest on Dec 2, 2018 22:24:47 GMT -5
] author="Ummm" timestamp="1515239152" source="/post/771098/thread"]Her name is Vivika Ponten, (Sweden)[/quote] One of her vids: youtu.be/de3ZmVJJYriAnother adventure to gulf of Aqaba , Red Sea , And Mt Sinai , and the relics left from the Hebrew wanderings there. TY |
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Post by quest on Dec 2, 2018 23:08:59 GMT -5
d"]Her name is Vivika Ponten, (Sweden)[/quote] One of her vids: youtu.be/de3ZmVJJYrIr]Another adventure to gulf of Aqaba , Red Sea , And Mt Sinai , and the relics left from the Hebrew wanderings there. (Sorry...) |
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Post by quest on Dec 2, 2018 23:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by quest on Dec 6, 2018 20:22:10 GMT -5
Thanks I like Lennart Moller’s methods . “Great analyses , IMO” . |
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