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Post by howitis on Feb 13, 2016 17:52:50 GMT -5
If 'the real issue is CSA'.....the authorities need to be contacted by whoever has the knowledge.
CSA will always be a problem until that happens, whether it occurs in an institution or privately, while ever perpetrator's can rest in the knowledge their actions are going to be 'gossiped' about and not dealt with correctly by the authorities and the courts!
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2016 18:11:54 GMT -5
Keep in mind that we're talking about Peru, which has high levels of child sexual abuse...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2016 22:10:49 GMT -5
If 'the real issue is CSA'.....the authorities need to be contacted by whoever has the knowledge. CSA will always be a problem until that happens, whether it occurs in an institution or privately, while ever perpetrator's can rest in the knowledge their actions are going to be 'gossiped' about and not dealt with correctly by the authorities and the courts! [ howitis did you report your abuse to the authorities ? |
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Post by howitis on Feb 13, 2016 22:26:00 GMT -5
You know the answer to that Roselyn T and because you've now decided to ask on a public forum, I find you a truly shameful person or is that shameless??!! For one who talks so freely about their mother's DV, yet openly says they didn't report it because they were so young......yet you expect a CSA victim to report theirs??!! Remember CSA victims are often threatened with harm to either themselves or loved ones and as children they often can't 'report' as they have little access to do so, as well as having their voices stolen. You obviously have no idea of CSA! So rest your case!! Deal with your own mess!! Having said that my perpetrator's have been reported to the best of my ability and also those that now have contact with them have been informed. |
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 1:23:02 GMT -5
Yes Ross.Bowden I am anonymous, but even you have said you know who I am, so much for anonymity. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 14, 2016 1:38:22 GMT -5
You know the answer to that Roselyn T and because you've now decided to ask on a public forum, I find you a truly shameful person or is that shameless??!! For one who talks so freely about their mother's DV, yet openly says they didn't report it because they were so young......yet you expect a CSA victim to report theirs??!! Remember CSA victims are often threatened with harm to either themselves or loved ones and as children they often can't 'report' as they have little access to do so, as well as having their voices stolen. You obviously have no idea of CSA! So rest your case!! Deal with your own mess!! Having said that my perpetrator's have been reported to the best of my ability and also those that now have contact with them have been informed. , did you not freely post on a public forum your story ? As to me being one "who talks so freely about their mother's DV, yet openly says they didn't report it because they were so young" how would you suggest a 4 year old report their mothers DV ? What is the problem with me now after 45 years talking "freely" about DV ? Should DV be hidden amongst the F&W the same as CSA has ? Also I understand very well that CSA victims can be threatened if they report their abuse, why do you think women put up with DV for so many years before leaving. You seem to have an issue with the letter that was on FB being posted anywhere else, the person that wrote it posted it there, isn't it time these things were bought out into the open ? As to dealing with my own mess, well I believe by admitting it happened and talking about it I am trying to sort it ! Why is it so hard for the F&W to admit they have a big problem with CSA, instead of sending workers to another state, deal with it ! |
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 2:15:01 GMT -5
Likewise Roselyn T, how would a 4 year old go about reporting their CSA, especially over 50 years ago!!! On the other hand after telling PART of my story, you pm'd me and I spoke with you in what I thought was complete confidence......so much for that!!! As for the letter of the OP being posted here, there and anywhere, yes I do have an issue with it......after the victim telling her story it should have been taken straight to the authorities, it is hard enough for a victim to tell their story once, let alone more times with added influences of other people, which often let's the perpetrator's off the hook because the story ends up changing once it reaches the court process. Publishing it widely often gives time for perpetrator's to move to a different state or even country making the court process even more lengthy. Therefore publishing such a story widely does nothing for the victim, their family or future victims and buys the perpetrator more time. I deal with CSA and other forms of assault on children every single day 365 days a year, I travel widely, prepare documents for court and often appear as a police witness, I do not take assault toward anybody, in any form lightly. CSA is not exclusive to F&W and I believe that those who gossip about such things are just as perverted as the perpetrator's as that judge mentioned, I have invited that judge to review posts within these pages as he is completing a doctorate on perversions and who are the real perpetrators it has been his opinion for a long time that within society we have victims, and two types of perverted people, perpetrators and predators, these predators he feels are the ones who often keep the fire of CSA going as they do little to stop incidents, but seem to be alarmingly efficient about spreading the news of incidents. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 14, 2016 3:56:19 GMT -5
Well howitis I hope he reads some of the stories on Wings to get an idea of what has happened in the so called "True Church" for too many years, how workers even now are being sent to another state instead of the Overseer dealing with the issue. Maybe the letter fixit posted would give him some insight into why people have had enough & are speaking up. I am sure the Workers would agree with the view, that those who make waves about how they are dealing with(or not dealing with) CSA are so called "predators", after all their main concern is that the "Truth" doesn't get a bad name. Also maybe some of mdm's letters would be worth looking at. Or he could read elizabethcoleman's Book, Cult To Christ if he wants some insight ! |
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2016 4:22:48 GMT -5
You have me confused whatitis. You say that someone who writes their story on here of being sexually abused should go to the police. Firstly we don't know if they have been to the police or not. However when you are asked if you took your sexual abuse to the police you get upset and it seems that you might not have. Why one standard for others and another for yourself.
You talked on here about being sexually abused so Roselyn hardly disclosed it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 4:29:58 GMT -5
Ross, thanks for that. You may be aware that some years ago, I was amongst the first, if not the first person on these boards to suggest (strongly) that in light of the, then emerging cases of CSA etc, that until proper safety and protection guidelines were drawn up the workers should implement interim guidelines to protect children and other vulnerable persons, including vulnerable young workers, sister workers etc, including not staying overnight in the homes where there were children, etc. I was ridiculed for my views at that time, probably because the amount of cases that were known about were comparatively few. It is therefore disappointing to learn that despite a fairly large volume of cases that have come to light since then, that nothing proper seems to have been done to protect the vulnerable. This subject virtually drove me off my head over a period of a couple of years debating. It is just as well I pulled away from it all, otherwise you guys would be getting more peace! Ram - I wasn't aware of this but it was sound advice. It's a pity that it wasn't heeded. Many believe that the senior workers will only make changes to protect children when they are forced by the law to do so. It would be prudent for them to do so ahead of the findings of the Royal Commission in Australia. I agree Ross, but it shouldn't come to that. Whatever happened to applying good common sense, reasonable thinking, etc? Then there's the moral, civil and spiritual responsibilities towards the fellowship as well. I think I need to go and take a few aspirins? |
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 4:45:52 GMT -5
You have me confused whatitis. You say that someone who writes their story on here of being sexually abused should go to the police. Firstly we don't know if they have been to the police or not. However when you are asked if you took your sexual abuse to the police you get upset and it seems that you might not have. Why one standard for others and another for yourself. You talked on here about being sexually abused so Roselyn hardly disclosed it. Yes snuff doesn't take much to confuse some, the letter in question was apparently at 1st posted by the victims mother on Facebook, it has also been mentioned she was 'thinking ' of taking it to the authorities! I am talking of Roselyn wanting to disclose something from a pm, and as I said it's a bit hard to tell the authorities when you're 4 years old, add to that a death threat and you pretty well shut up. Interesting how many people become 'experts' on how to deal with CSA when they've never experienced it......I hope they and theirs never do, but please, please stop telling us how and what we should do or have done and please stop giving perpetrator's more time to weave a story to get them off the hook! |
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2016 4:55:59 GMT -5
You were telling the person in the email what to do. People can report abuse many years after the event. In fact most abuse is reported years after. You don't know who has been abused and who has not.
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 5:16:29 GMT -5
You were telling the person in the email what to do. People can report abuse many years after the event. In fact most abuse is reported years after. You don't know who has been abused and who has not. You are correct on both counts I don't know who has been abused (but I do know many) and most people do report years after, which is why it is often hard to nail the perpetrator! All I've said is don't spruik it all over internet sites, giving opportunity for the perpetrator to create a story, head 1st to the authorities.....I think most will agree. |
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 5:41:22 GMT -5
Yes Roselyn T he has and many others, you do heaps of reading at that level, I believe he has over 1000 submissions that the Royal Commission won't hear, also submissions from concerned parents, community members and educators that they feel current Child Protection education is sadly amiss as it teaches children to 'trust' in many people that statistics show should not be 'trusted' and are most likely to be offenders. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 14, 2016 6:28:12 GMT -5
Yes Roselyn T he has and many others, you do heaps of reading at that level, I believe he has over 1000 submissions that the Royal Commission won't hear, also submissions from concerned parents, community members and educators that they feel current Child Protection education is sadly amiss as it teaches children to 'trust' in many people that statistics show should not be 'trusted' and are most likely to be offenders. Another book that would give some great insight would be Doug Parkers book. |
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Post by howitis on Feb 14, 2016 6:35:34 GMT -5
Yep he's done it too, he's very meticulous in his research methods, he's not so much into churches, but rather the 'culture and nature'of how and why people discuss certain things rather than take them to authorities to deal with them.
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Post by meerkat on Feb 14, 2016 10:59:57 GMT -5
Yes watched the movie last evening and it was absolutely fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 12:08:15 GMT -5
I won't name the victim or the perp but a young lady has mentioned a name on a facebook group called Youth 323. And several people are badmouthing her for doing so. Is Don Reynolds over Peru? If so, he needs to look into this incident. I don't know Peruvian law and how CSA is dealt with. This girl was very young at that time...grade school aged. Most likely it is the South-African worker that T.S spoke about a while ago. The victim in South-Africa still asked that the friends there be notified,don't know if it ever was done.The letter about guidelines to protect children from CSA is about to be send of with the gracious help of someone on this board. |
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Post by kittens on Feb 15, 2016 17:38:07 GMT -5
Whilst to me Ross.Bowden it is of little import whether a perpetrator is rebaptised or not, what I find alarming is the shroud that covers CSA. To me those that say 'don't go to the police' are just as guilty and involved as the actual perpetrator. What are they trying to hide? Are they also involved in such actions? Whilst Alan Kitto has returned to NSW a very nervous person, (perhaps rightly so), which even other workers have noted, there is A LOT of explaining to do!!! I am a much stronger person now and refuse to let the voices of innocent children be silenced and treated as worthless! Wherever I hear that past victims have been silenced I am encouraging them to speak LOUDLY and if they choose to take it to the law. Current victims I am reporting regardless........this goes for both inside and outside of the church, regardless of the assault, whether it is sexual or not.....too many people are battered by assault both past and present and the effects are far reaching. PS for those that can, check out Bobby Veen's story -Lateline tonight Why is Allan Kitto nervous? Is it for the actions he has taken in the past or for something happening in NSW now? |
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