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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2016 16:38:26 GMT -5
Just curious; Wally, what would you think should be done if your wife, mother, sister or close friend had a child born with anencephaly birth defect due the mother's having the Zita virus? do what they have always done raise the child as best they can till it dies... Have you ever actually cared for a 10 year old who is deaf, blind, incontinent, unable to walk, speak, or feed itself? You'd realize such advice is hardly a sympathetic answer.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2016 16:43:40 GMT -5
being in the military and being ordered to kill for some political reason is a little different from killing to protect someone during a home invasion not a real big difference but some nonetheless. But I expect you're not averse to carrying a gun in the military either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:14:01 GMT -5
being in the military and being ordered to kill for some political reason is a little different from killing to protect someone during a home invasion not a real big difference but some nonetheless. But I expect you're not averse to carrying a gun in the military either. when I was in I volunteered that made it so I could not claim CO status so yes I trained with the 45 and the 12 gauge...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 9, 2016 18:21:29 GMT -5
Interesting concept, Make people bear babies that are so grossly deformed and don't know whether they are alive but the parents have their own personal hell and at the same time carry guns to shoot someone who may be a threat to you. I'ts called the sanctity of life. I suspect that many of these babble quoting, gun toting people like to see crosses on other peoples shoulders or between the shoulder blades if they don't agree with them.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 9, 2016 18:52:21 GMT -5
But I expect you're not averse to carrying a gun in the military either. when I was in I volunteered that made it so I could not claim CO status so yes I trained with the 45 and the 12 gauge... @wally were you "professing" when you volunteered ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2016 18:59:02 GMT -5
But I expect you're not averse to carrying a gun in the military either. when I was in I volunteered that made it so I could not claim CO status so yes I trained with the 45 and the 12 gauge... So the difference of situations doesn't make any difference to you. How do you feel about having a concealed weapon in meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:06:08 GMT -5
when I was in I volunteered that made it so I could not claim CO status so yes I trained with the 45 and the 12 gauge... @wally were you "professing" when you volunteered ? yes I was...there are a number of friends who have volunteered and forfeited CO status...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:08:13 GMT -5
when I was in I volunteered that made it so I could not claim CO status so yes I trained with the 45 and the 12 gauge... So the difference of situations doesn't make any difference to you. How do you feel about having a concealed weapon in meeting? if someone choose too(I don't) more power to them but I do think there is a law against it for churches isn't there?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2016 19:51:46 GMT -5
So the difference of situations doesn't make any difference to you. How do you feel about having a concealed weapon in meeting? if someone choose too(I don't) more power to them but I do think there is a law against it for churches isn't there?
If they're allowed in public schools, I expect they're allowed in churches. There are certainly a lot of shootings in churches. I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 9, 2016 20:21:15 GMT -5
@wally were you "professing" when you volunteered ? yes I was...there are a number of friends who have volunteered and forfeited CO status...
Once again this proves the big difference in the "only right way" from country to country.... so @wally who is right & who is wrong ? I think you really need to come to Australia @wally and talk to some of the Overseer's and ask then what their views are on people volunteering to go into the Armed Forces !
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 9, 2016 20:22:27 GMT -5
if someone choose too(I don't) more power to them but I do think there is a law against it for churches isn't there?
If they're allowed in public schools, I expect they're allowed in churches. There are certainly a lot of shootings in churches. I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone. Wow BobWilliston ! What would they need them for at Convention ? Or in a meeting ? Unbelievable !
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 9, 2016 20:30:35 GMT -5
In the United States, here's the 10 states in which most of gun violence and deaths are recorded.
247wallst.com/special-report/2014/06/26/231958/2/ Top 10 States With Most Gun Violence & Deaths
What amazes me about this thread is the IRONY that when it comes to war and bearing arms, the 2x2's have claimed to be CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS since their inception for religious reasons, but when it comes to bearing fire arms for protection purposes, they find no problem with it? For general information, here's a Wiki article regarding the beliefs of Conscious Objectors regarding firearms. Since most conscientious objectors are against guns being used to kill others for religious reasons, here-in lies the irony within the 2x2's. Most likely this is the reason which generated this thread by Roselyn? Any comments?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector Conscientious Objector
Thank you faune, that is was I was meaning ! I believe @wally's latest post confirms the irony of it, but he seems to think its ok to actually join the Armed Forces to kill another human being ! But if a baby is born with Zita virus they have to suffer.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 9, 2016 23:55:42 GMT -5
If they're allowed in public schools, I expect they're allowed in churches. There are certainly a lot of shootings in churches. I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone. Wow BobWilliston ! What would they need them for at Convention ? Or in a meeting ? Unbelievable ! I'm beginning to think that this carrying a gun business is a bit like having the flashy V8 car, makes up for the lack in other areas.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2016 23:59:20 GMT -5
It would be interesting if someone took a handgun to convention for the purposes of fending off unwanted sexual advances.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 10, 2016 0:08:00 GMT -5
It would be interesting if someone took a handgun to convention for the purposes of fending off unwanted sexual advances. Imagine the fun and games if some one blew a hole in a worker who was getting a bit fresh.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 10, 2016 1:11:44 GMT -5
It would be interesting if someone took a handgun to convention for the purposes of fending off unwanted sexual advances. Imagine the fun and games if some one blew a hole in a worker who was getting a bit fresh. Ahem !!!!! There is a story about that.
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Post by faune on Feb 10, 2016 10:32:37 GMT -5
@wally were you "professing" when you volunteered ? yes I was...there are a number of friends who have volunteered and forfeited CO status...
Wally ~ That's interesting to hear. I'm glad to hear that some friends follow their own conscious regarding CO status and not just bow to the 2x2's general requirement to register as CO's. I doubt any soldier enjoys killing their fellowman under war conditions to maintain national security, but it's unfortunately part of the job description in war-torn areas of the globe.
Here's a Fact Sheet relating to the conditions associated with applying for Conscientious Objector status ~ especially what it signifies regarding the applicant's attitude regarding guns and military service.
girightshotline.org/en/military-knowledge-base/topic/conscientious-objection-discharge Conscientious Objection Fact Sheet
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Post by fixit on Feb 10, 2016 12:56:07 GMT -5
If they're allowed in public schools, I expect they're allowed in churches. There are certainly a lot of shootings in churches. I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone. Wow BobWilliston ! What would they need them for at Convention ? Or in a meeting ? Unbelievable ! A Paris-style attack?
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 10, 2016 16:37:26 GMT -5
I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone. You really do need to move back to Canada. (Yeah, yeah. I know the climate sucks.)
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 10, 2016 16:42:43 GMT -5
If a "false" preacher ever stumbled onto the grounds or into meeting, I suppose one might have a "shoot-out", as has happened in the past , but of course not using guns, only words. My wife mentioned a while ago, good thing one fellow didn't have a gun after meeting, on which we had spoken about grace as he was VERY angry , so probably good thing not soooooooo many gun toting people going to meeting or convention, at least here in Canada . It really hadn't crossed my mind that people would actually bring a gun to meeting before, but I guess it happens in good old USA ? Hopefully not too many testimonies about grace or wrong guy, wrong place BOOM and graveside service will be held immediatedly after potluck, and please keep in line and try to avoid this in the future but he did have it coming , I know. Lets' sing number 10561 in closing "beat the drums slowly" Alvin
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 10, 2016 16:46:12 GMT -5
I know of "professing" people who have come to convention with a firearm on their hip. But if I owned the property, I would not permit it. Neither would I permit it if I had meeting in my house, but I won't have the opportunity to test the workers' response to such a decision. I've put people out of my house for bringing in a gun. It was a good thing to do. A month later I opened the door late at night to two police officers pointing guns at me from sheltered positions. Fortunately I was white, so I safely stepped out and assured them that my house guest was long gone. You really do need to move back to Canada. (Yeah, yeah. I know the climate sucks.) Further to this, the mentality of needing a firearm for protection is so foreign to me. If someone wants to shoot me, well, I think there are worse things - like walking around with the mindset that I might need a gun to protect myself. Personally, I would far rather die, than this to be my every day reality. As I watch the unfolding of the Donald Trump phenomenon, what disturbs me the most (though there things about him I admire) is his assertion that if people had arms both in Paris and San Bernardino that the "outcomes would have been very different". Ummm. IMO, that is no way to live.
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 10, 2016 16:55:19 GMT -5
I think, as Canadians, we just have a different culture, especially with guns? It seemed so strange to watch a young boy (obviously must have been of age to carry a gun) and his girlfriend walk into a Mcdonalds in Nevada a while back with pistol at his side. It seems like confrontation might have resulted in bullets flying instead of fists? We felt uncomfortable, but probably just not used to it. Not a stranger to guns, at all, living on a farm , but just seemed unnecessary ? Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 10, 2016 18:22:51 GMT -5
I find it amusing when I hear Americans commenting that Canadians are just like Americans -- what's the difference?
Other than the fact that their cities are usually cleaner, the other ways Canadians differ from Americans aren't that apparent, unless you investigate their sense of community. It's a gentler society.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 10, 2016 18:26:32 GMT -5
Wow BobWilliston ! What would they need them for at Convention ? Or in a meeting ? Unbelievable ! A Paris-style attack? I wouldn't expect a Paris-style attack as much as I'd expect a "defense" situation, judging from a few things I've heard some sister workers say.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 10, 2016 19:01:59 GMT -5
After the "concealed carry" law was passed in Illinois, I was glad to see an immediate reaction by many places putting a "no guns" sign on their door.
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Post by gells on Feb 10, 2016 19:48:01 GMT -5
After the "concealed carry" law was passed in Illinois, I was glad to see an immediate reaction by many places putting a "no guns" sign on their door.
Because perps will obey the law.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 11, 2016 2:11:55 GMT -5
Imagine the fun and games if some one blew a hole in a worker who was getting a bit fresh. Ahem !!!!! There is a story about that. Do tell.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 11, 2016 3:15:54 GMT -5
Ahem !!!!! There is a story about that. Do tell. It hasn't been published yet.
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