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Post by Awe on Sept 1, 2020 19:47:48 GMT -5
And the current theories that involve the production of “the basic “ elements, are short on understanding the production of elements/chemistry , implies the need for the “Almighty Chemist” to be doing his home work, initially!
imo
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Post by rational on Sept 12, 2020 13:37:38 GMT -5
Millions and millions of young children get the flu virus every year. This happens in spite of 98% of children being vaccinated! The CDC provides different numbers than you claim: "During the 2018–19 flu season vaccination coverage with ≥1 dose of flu vaccine was 62.6% among children 6 months through 17 years."Looks like you feel comfortable just making up some data. Give it a try.
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Post by rational on Sept 12, 2020 14:12:44 GMT -5
And the current theories that involve the production of “the basic “ elements, are short on understanding the production of elements/chemistry , implies the need for the “Almighty Chemist” to be doing his home work, initially! imo To which 'current theory' are you referring? With which part of nuclear fusion are you uncomfortable. The detonation of the thermonuclear test weapon (code-named Mike) within the Enewetak atoll would seem to indicate that the production of heavier elements from lighter matter is fairly well understood.
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Post by Interesting Awe on Sept 12, 2020 21:21:23 GMT -5
And the current theories that involve the production of “the basic “ elements, are short on understanding the production of elements/chemistry , implies the need for the “Almighty Chemist” to be doing his home work, initially! imo To which 'current theory' are you referring? With which part of nuclear fusion are you uncomfortable. The detonation of the thermonuclear test weapon (code-named Mike) within the Enewetak atoll would seem to indicate that the production of heavier elements from lighter matter is fairly well understood. Something needed to create the first element, unless you consider the first element , a Creator. I’m ok with such design. 🙂
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Post by Awe on Sept 12, 2020 21:24:29 GMT -5
Might as well look at the data, and consider Creation an intentionality.
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Post by Awe on Sept 12, 2020 21:33:00 GMT -5
We need an element, in fact we need many elements in Order to have biological life.... now if we think of spiritual life, it doesn’t need physicality/elements , and as you know , Intelligence will continue to exist, with or without These elements.
And ... GOOD will exist eternally as an objective status,
(Relative good is as we know, exists as a temporary fleeting state)
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Post by Awe on Sept 12, 2020 21:49:35 GMT -5
Millions and millions of young children get the flu virus every year. This happens in spite of 98% of children being vaccinated! The CDC provides different numbers than you claim: "During the 2018–19 flu season vaccination coverage with ≥1 dose of flu vaccine was 62.6% among children 6 months through 17 years."Looks like you feel comfortable just making up some data. Give it a try. Ha. What does cdc know about accurate data?? according to “them” the 2019-20 flu season had 24,000- 62,000 deaths. 38,000 deaths that weren’t confirmed? well, perhaps they could check the “cause of death” affirmation ?? so who knows what estimations they throw out??
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Post by rational on Sept 12, 2020 23:14:52 GMT -5
To which 'current theory' are you referring? With which part of nuclear fusion are you uncomfortable. The detonation of the thermonuclear test weapon (code-named Mike) within the Enewetak atoll would seem to indicate that the production of heavier elements from lighter matter is fairly well understood. Something needed to create the first element, unless you consider the first element , a Creator. I’m ok with such design. 🙂 The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required.
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Post by rational on Sept 12, 2020 23:31:21 GMT -5
The CDC provides different numbers than you claim: "During the 2018–19 flu season vaccination coverage with ≥1 dose of flu vaccine was 62.6% among children 6 months through 17 years."Looks like you feel comfortable just making up some data. Give it a try. Ha. What does cdc know about accurate data?? according to “them” the 2019-20 flu season had 24,000- 62,000 deaths. 38,000 deaths that weren’t confirmed? well, perhaps they could check the “cause of death” affirmation ?? so who knows what estimations they throw out?? Perhaps the CDC is aware that the flu virus is not the direct cause of death but rather infections by Streptococcus or Staphylococcus that can spread from the lungs to other organs. Only about 1/3 of the deaths from flu related causes are because the virus overwhelmed the immune system. The other 2/3 die from secondary bacterial infections or other organ failure. Not certain how a “cause of death” affirmation would shed any light on the subject.
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 2:29:57 GMT -5
Ha. What does cdc know about accurate data?? according to “them” the 2019-20 flu season had 24,000- 62,000 deaths. 38,000 deaths that weren’t confirmed? well, perhaps they could check the “cause of death” affirmation ?? so who knows what estimations they throw out?? Perhaps the CDC is aware that the flu virus is not the direct cause of death but rather infections by Streptococcus or Staphylococcus that can spread from the lungs to other organs. Only about 1/3 of the deaths from flu related causes are because the virus overwhelmed the immune system. The other 2/3 die from secondary bacterial infections or other organ failure. Not certain how a “cause of death” affirmation would shed any light on the subject. Are they certain about the 24,000 ? why not consider a wider range , perhaps somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 , that should eliminate any missed data ? 🤔
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 2:41:21 GMT -5
Something needed to create the first element, unless you consider the first element , a Creator. I’m ok with such design. 🙂 The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required. No creator? are you hypothetically suggesting that creation isn’t “created”? perhaps Intelligence desired to manifest itself? “wisdom is manifested Of/by her children” Jesus (about 36AD) wisdom doesn’t need particles either, my friend 😉
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 13, 2020 2:54:14 GMT -5
The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required. No creator? are you hypothetically suggesting that creation isn’t “created”? perhaps Intelligence desired to manifest itself? “wisdom is manifested Of/by her children” Jesus (about 36AD) wisdom doesn’t need particles either, my friend 😉 Too bad.
Rational's post just flew too high over your head to understand it, -didn't it ?
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 3:12:43 GMT -5
No creator? are you hypothetically suggesting that creation isn’t “created”? perhaps Intelligence desired to manifest itself? “wisdom is manifested Of/by her children” Jesus (about 36AD) wisdom doesn’t need particles either, my friend 😉 Too bad.
Rational's post just flew too high over your head to understand it, -didn't it ? Yes, and no . Thank you! Awe
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 13, 2020 3:31:31 GMT -5
Who needs gods when there are facts.
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 7:10:24 GMT -5
Time? ,,,
Yes , it manifests what is objectively Good, and exposes that which is relatively good. IMO
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Post by rational on Sept 13, 2020 16:10:25 GMT -5
Perhaps the CDC is aware that the flu virus is not the direct cause of death but rather infections by Streptococcus or Staphylococcus that can spread from the lungs to other organs. Only about 1/3 of the deaths from flu related causes are because the virus overwhelmed the immune system. The other 2/3 die from secondary bacterial infections or other organ failure. Not certain how a “cause of death” affirmation would shed any light on the subject. Are they certain about the 24,000 ? why not consider a wider range , perhaps somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 , that should eliminate any missed data ? 🤔 Because, unlike your posts, they have some integrity.
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Post by rational on Sept 13, 2020 16:17:08 GMT -5
The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required. No creator? are you hypothetically suggesting that creation isn’t “created”? perhaps Intelligence desired to manifest itself? “wisdom is manifested Of/by her children” Jesus (about 36AD) wisdom doesn’t need particles either, my friend 😉 No, I am suggesting that there are a different theories regarding the beginning of the universe and the ones best supported by empirical data do not include/require a creator. It is clear you are still pushing the cosmological argument and inferring the existence of god.
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 20:02:57 GMT -5
Are they certain about the 24,000 ? why not consider a wider range , perhaps somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 , that should eliminate any missed data ? 🤔 Because, unlike your posts, they have some integrity. No. In fact I believe the huge gap for confirmed cases allows cdc to exaggerate other agendas ...such as Covid /flu confirmed deaths. Sorry to report that agenda, but it is not a “secret” anymore. And yet you defend there reporting? Congratulations, you might be a hero!
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Post by Awe on Sept 13, 2020 20:09:59 GMT -5
No creator? are you hypothetically suggesting that creation isn’t “created”? perhaps Intelligence desired to manifest itself? “wisdom is manifested Of/by her children” Jesus (about 36AD) wisdom doesn’t need particles either, my friend 😉 No, I am suggesting that there are a different theories regarding the beginning of the universe and the ones best supported by empirical data do not include/require a creator. It is clear you are still pushing the cosmological argument and inferring the existence of god. And yet I perceive the “lack of logic/intelligence “ in all your theories? why is that a problem, if it is in fact , a fact? 🙂
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Post by rational on Sept 13, 2020 20:19:57 GMT -5
No, I am suggesting that there are a different theories regarding the beginning of the universe and the ones best supported by empirical data do not include/require a creator. It is clear you are still pushing the cosmological argument and inferring the existence of god. And yet I perceive the “lack of logic/intelligence “ in all your theories? why is that a problem, if it is in fact , a fact? 🙂 Point out the syllogism with which you do not agree.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 14, 2020 1:48:22 GMT -5
Because, unlike your posts, they have some integrity. No. In fact I believe the huge gap for confirmed cases allows cdc to exaggerate other agendas ...such as Covid /flu confirmed deaths. Sorry to report that agenda, but it is not a “secret” anymore. And yet you defend there reporting? Congratulations, you might be a hero! So you, awe, -have also joined the group who can't accept the fact that they, -big "supposed" intelligent creatures that they are -simply can't possibly be taken down by something too small for them to even see!
The hubris of some people always surprises me, -even after all of these years.
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Post by Awe on Sept 14, 2020 7:01:13 GMT -5
No. In fact I believe the huge gap for confirmed cases allows cdc to exaggerate other agendas ...such as Covid /flu confirmed deaths. Sorry to report that agenda, but it is not a “secret” anymore. And yet you defend there reporting? Congratulations, you might be a hero! So you, awe, -have also joined the group who can't accept the fact that they, -big "supposed" intelligent creatures that they are -simply can't possibly be taken down by something too small for them to even see!
The hubris of some people always surprises me, -even after all of these years.Yes, and sorry to say they continue to feed on it!!
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Post by Awe on Sept 16, 2020 5:46:09 GMT -5
Something needed to create the first element, unless you consider the first element , a Creator. I’m ok with such design. 🙂 The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required. 🤔 Like Ben Steins documentariy, “no intelligence Allowed” ?? Yes, there is satire in that proposition, yet to suggest no creator necessary, may , for some Imply the same, “ no intentional design /intelligence ‘allowed ‘ “ Are humans self sufficient? Can we survive without intelligence? So what came first, the creation, or the Creator? Isn’t language a wonderful invention!! 🙂
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Post by rational on Sept 16, 2020 13:12:19 GMT -5
The radiant energy from the initial expansion produced particle/antiparticle pairs. Collisions between the particles and antiparticles annihilated each other back into electromagnetic energy. With the expansion of the universe the available energy from radiation gets smaller and smaller. The creation and annihilation of particles continues until the cooled enough that the creation of the pairs becomes energetically impossible and allowed the formation of lighter elements. The creation of matter from radiant energy was demonstrated in 1997 at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. No creator required. 🤔 Like Ben Steins documentariy, “no intelligence Allowed” ?? Yes, there is satire in that proposition, yet to suggest no creator necessary, may , for some Imply the same, “ no intentional design /intelligence ‘allowed ‘ “ Are humans self sufficient? Can we survive without intelligence? So what came first, the creation, or the Creator? Isn’t language a wonderful invention!! 🙂 Most lifeforms exist without intelligence. Regarding Stein's movie, as Wolfgang Pauli once commented on a student’s paper: "That’s not right; it isn’t even wrong." So far from reality.
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Post by Awe on Sept 16, 2020 17:50:14 GMT -5
🤔 Like Ben Steins documentariy, “no intelligence Allowed” ?? Yes, there is satire in that proposition, yet to suggest no creator necessary, may , for some Imply the same, “ no intentional design /intelligence ‘allowed ‘ “ Are humans self sufficient? Can we survive without intelligence? So what came first, the creation, or the Creator? Isn’t language a wonderful invention!! 🙂 Most lifeforms exist without intelligence. Regarding Stein's movie, as Wolfgang Pauli once commented on a student’s paper: "That’s not right; it isn’t even wrong." So far from reality. Just curious .... do you believe intelligence existed before an event that led To your creation of the “elements/material world” ?? If not , does it seem to you that intelligence does exist, even if we know very little about its meanings? This would lead us to understand that there must be an eternal intelligence, before mankind began to theorize about the creation/creator
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Post by Awe on Sept 16, 2020 18:01:20 GMT -5
then intelligence is not only eternal, it must be Equal to our Creator, thus: Infinite
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Post by rational on Sept 16, 2020 18:21:24 GMT -5
then intelligence is not only eternal, it must be Equal to our Creator, thus: Infinite You have fallen back to your earlier nonsense. I'm getting off the merry-go-round.
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Post by Awe on Sept 16, 2020 19:01:15 GMT -5
Most lifeforms exist without intelligence. Regarding Stein's movie, as Wolfgang Pauli once commented on a student’s paper: "That’s not right; it isn’t even wrong." So far from reality. Just curious .... do you believe intelligence existed before an event that led To your creation of the “elements/material world” ?? If not , does it seem to you that intelligence does exist, even if we know very little about its meanings? This would lead us to understand that there must be an eternal intelligence, before mankind began to theorize about the creation/creator Could you give a reply? before you leave,.....
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