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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 23:09:13 GMT -5
Observation - essentially empiricism? Observing and collecting data? So then I wonder - what are your observations that lead you to conclude that evolution is a lie, climate change is a lie, and the globally planned pandemic is a lie? And, are there any observations you could make that would change your mind? If so, what observations would you need? *Edit - I can meet you halfway on the third - I do not believe it to be "globally planned". Fair enough request. (this post is just the first installment toward thr total response). as far as the last lie/ delusion , WHO involvement makes it a global Plan, Did you see the BillGates Tedtalk? He sets the table for the current “deadly” vaccine medicines. If you want to hear his spiel it was taped about 4 years ago ? 1, evolution. By far the most inferior proposed explanation for the design that nature provides and operates within the given parameters, in a way that is synergistic to find the observation of the universe to be as appealing as the studying of its positions/positionings irreducibly complex compounds , the logic that things were definitely made for a purpose, design looks like a design, because it was designed so, just as humans look like humans, probably because they are humans? 😉 2. Climatic warming? the biggest governmental racket for its crazy data points, we find the agenda is to discredit real scientific discussions about this issue, claiming that the threat of a mini ice age lacks expert scientific evidence, yet a quick research on this issue will yield just the opposite, and plenty of observations to collaborate the predictions. hmmm these discussions can go on and on so I will post this brief vision Of my world view! 🙂 just briefly - irreducible complexity saw a day in court, with the foremost expert (Behe). Kitzmiller et al. versus the Dover School District. A conservative judge ruled that it isn't science. The logic that everything is created for a specific purpose presupposes that it was created in the current form in the first place. I'm not a climate expert, so I cannot answer detailed questions on that.
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Post by Awe on Apr 23, 2020 1:40:59 GMT -5
I’m no fan of political definitions for what qualifies as legitimate observations?
that turns this into a illogical discussion, based on court opinions/decrees
Are the evolution arguments going to be settled tonight?
so, do you think God might overrule the Court that ruled against irreducible complexity as being unobserved(unscientific)
hmmmm😉
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Post by Awe on Apr 23, 2020 1:47:55 GMT -5
Yes, things do age, but to presuppose that evolution breaks the engineering laws of DNA is not based on observations, nor science, it basically presupposes the myth of evolution,
imo
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 23, 2020 2:22:28 GMT -5
and who , pray tell, initiated the first law : the Ten Commandments? hmmmm according to scripture? according to heresy? intelligent thoughts, that were the foundation of our English , ZHebrew , and many other countries. Foundational to us humans understanding and living according to the high Devine principles. truth and justice, respectful humility. 🙂 Divine has two I's in it, not two E's. Sharpen up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 20:39:35 GMT -5
Yes, things do age, but to presuppose that evolution breaks the engineering laws of DNA is not based on observations, nor science, it basically presupposes the myth of evolution, imo What would you call a mutation? To the atom, I can describe at least a dozen mechanisms by which DNA bases change. Some spontaneous, some chemically induced, some physical. The code is also prone to change locations and regulatory patterns, and these changes fluctuate in frequency within a population over time. This mutable code continuously makes the "raw material" by which the environment can select for or against. Is any of that erroneously stated? Because that's essentially the description of evolution by natural selection.
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Post by Awe on Apr 23, 2020 22:32:44 GMT -5
Ok
I will try to address your view
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Post by Awe on Apr 23, 2020 23:05:52 GMT -5
This issue is one that I will consider a scientific response, and it is rarely Discussed.
Based on the instructions that are found in each unique DNA.
As in chemistry, when we perform a certain “experiments” , We have a certainty that/what the reaction will be.
Thus they follow the laws that govern chemistry.
Could you imagine if these “experiments” didn’t follow Any law of chemistry? Do you believe the result would Sometimes yield a different product? (Only if another substance inadvertently contaminates the experiment?
Yet if you ran a check and found no contamination, we would be sure that we can expect a consistent result.
Based on this science , I would suggest that DNA does In fact run an error finding program, and it is
Intentional. For the purpose of the way it is preprogrammed Intentionally(scientifically purposed for)
Is the purpose of the check, completely understood , or do we presuppose that it leaves certain errors/“mutations”
If we consider that , according to history, the first humans lived longer lives than they do now,
We could look for the data that confirms that hypothesis?
Jmo
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Post by Awe on Apr 24, 2020 6:13:27 GMT -5
So , perhaps if one considers that these “mutations “ are still governed by the instructions of DNA, it opens the possibility/probability that
everything in the DNA has a purpose/ intention?
Thus if one generation of DNA is “damaged” for whatever reason, the viable information contained in it is still Available, and the next generation is intentionally free of that particular “damage”: (mutation?)
so, yes , I believe there is much evidence for ”intentionality” over the haphazardness of ”progress through mutations/errors”
certainly don’t expect anyone to agree with an illogical assumption, so I do hope to understand both sides of this question?
Thanks
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Post by Awe on Apr 24, 2020 6:33:04 GMT -5
As for me favoring “ creation/intentionality “
it does certainly affect how I view the
intentions of the Creator, and the intentions
that we have inherited through this intentioned process, leaving each of us the amount
of “free will” that each of us would intentionally
be capable of handling. (And many vital issues
better governed by involuntary response: breathing, heart beats, immunity(response to invasives), blinking, and intentions of fight/flight (survival instincts?) , along with the many
ways that our habits can interplay with both
involuntary and voluntary responses.
i never analyzed this wholly?, so please critic what seems to be some irrational ?
Thanks
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Post by Awe on Apr 24, 2020 8:47:56 GMT -5
And as for me? , yes I do consider that our Creator’s intentions were extremely pure(if there is such a concept that can be understood by mere human reasonings 😉)
if His intentions aren’t tainted by self interest,
then we too can aim for such an ideal?
no conflicts of interest?
and the projection of a utopian world can
be constructed , by understanding the
purpose we were created in such a perfect
manner , to allow free will, as long as it doesn’t
create haphazard behaviors in the process?
hmmmm
thanks
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Post by Awe on Apr 30, 2020 20:04:01 GMT -5
Approximately half ways between our heart and our soul , Maybe 😊
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Post by Awe on May 1, 2020 4:54:43 GMT -5
How long could we live , if we didn’t possess
consciousness?
ok , maybe it’s like being in a comma ?
alive but not really living on an intelligent
level, not able to avail oneself of the
cognitive resources of life, other than
what involuntary behavior brings ?
Existing , but not being aware of why we exist?
hmmmmm, did I just explain “atheism?”
😳
yikes , sorry bout that!
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Post by Awe on May 3, 2020 5:25:18 GMT -5
To really live life to a meaningful end,
consciousness is essential, in my opinion
maybe perhaps it could be that this
consciousness is the manifestation of our
soul??
our soul needs a purpose for existing,
and our consciousness searches for this
purpose to exist.
why does your consciousness exist in the
first ?
it searches for logic, it searches for truth
it searches for meaning in our lives?
can we find this meaning ?
perhaps we can, if we ultimately find absolute
Truth. Which could be like finding perfect meaning for all things, IMO
hmmmm
thank you
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Post by Awe on May 3, 2020 7:04:52 GMT -5
Yes, meanings are absolute.
the more things change, the more they
stay the same . Oh I think we get it!
hmmmmmm🤔
perhaps Change cannot be avoided
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Post by Awe on May 3, 2020 7:15:18 GMT -5
So then, how do we stop untruths from controlling our social lives?
We can absolutely understand why God hates
deception(s) .
there should be a law against such practices,
and support for the Truth.
Thanks
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Post by Get off of TMB on May 3, 2020 7:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 1:57:44 GMT -5
My conscience tells me that my consciousness needs
a conscience to help us determine if some actions
are based on a higher moral standard , or based
on a baser mortality standard?? ??
Is it moral or is it mortal ?
Hmmmm
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Post by Conscious on May 7, 2020 2:00:37 GMT -5
Doing some statistical analysis
I was projecting the “normal “ death rate in large
metropolitan areas, like NYC , population ~ 18.2 million
Souls
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Post by Conscious ness on May 7, 2020 2:05:58 GMT -5
Based on that population estimate;
And an average lifespan of about 76 years of age
We can estimate about 240,000 people die every year
In NYC metro area.
Hmmmm. How does these figures compare to the
Numbers they are getting during this “pandemic “?
Just wondering 🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 2:09:50 GMT -5
Based on that population estimate; And an average lifespan of about 76 years of age We can estimate about 240,000 people die every year In NYC metro area. Hmmmm. How does these figures compare to the Numbers they are getting during this “pandemic “? Just wondering 🤔 the virus and the year are not over yet....
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 2:47:15 GMT -5
Based on that population estimate; And an average lifespan of about 76 years of age We can estimate about 240,000 people die every year In NYC metro area. Hmmmm. How does these figures compare to the Numbers they are getting during this “pandemic “? Just wondering 🤔 the virus and the year are not over yet.... The projection is based on averages , not on pandemic theories. 😉
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 3:14:18 GMT -5
Data; October 2019-April 4,2020. flu deaths in US, 24,000– 60,000. hmmmm, wow maybe we need to get a better handle On flu bugs? Or find better ways to ”count” ( IMO, the “range” is extremely broad) why can’t the “confirmations” due to flu virus be scientifically actuate within 5% plus/minus!!
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 3:19:06 GMT -5
Well , I guess those 60,000 deaths don’t
get much attention ( in about 6 month period)
I wanna know what the coverup is?
dont they want us to know about those dying of flu anymore?
🤔 hmmmm
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 3:29:08 GMT -5
That isn’t all the covering up is about?
90% of those that died of flu , were also
vaccinated against the flu?
not a good picture, imo
😢
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 3:34:35 GMT -5
Are you seeing this paradox?
more deaths from flu in last 6 months
than CoVid 19 deaths , in Spite of there
being flu vaccines to prevent such flu infections?
wow! And they want a CoVid vaccine to solve
a problem ? Most likely the vaccine will fail just
as much as the flu vaccines do Now!!😢😢
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 5:03:11 GMT -5
the virus and the year are not over yet.... The projection is based on averages , not on pandemic theories. 😉 so you have proof the virus is done?
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Post by Conscience on May 7, 2020 5:44:29 GMT -5
Data shows vaccines fail to contain viruses,
imo
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Post by snow on May 7, 2020 14:59:36 GMT -5
Data shows vaccines fail to contain viruses, imo Sometimes they work if the virus hasn't mutated after the vaccine has been made. That is the one reason for what you call a failure. They have to work with the virus as it is in order to get a vaccine ready for the fall/winter flu season. If the virus hasn't mutated yet again, then the vaccine is very effective. However, if it has mutated it's not as effective for obvious reasons. There is no way to know if a vaccine is possible for this virus at the moment because we aren't even sure that getting the virus will make us immune to it. If we don't have any way to be immune to it, then a vaccine if not going to work and neither is herd immunity that some people seem to think is a good way to go. If we are able to develop an immunity and we don't have a vaccine, it's going take a long time before herd immunity would be effective and a lot of people will die before it happens. This virus has mutated and it's mutated to be even more deadly than in it's original state.
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