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Post by Guest4 on Jan 12, 2016 18:31:12 GMT -5
Sheep cannot "shed" their wool. If wool is not sheared , they will not survive. Most sheep do shed their wool. In fact some people are concerned that wool is sometimes removed early to avoid loss through shedding leaving the sheep without the wool they need to keep warm. However, it is true that through genetic modification some sheep do shed less than others. Do you work with sheep? Sheep do not shed wool Never personally , I believe the article that I read Not sure how many articles there are about this item.
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 12, 2016 18:34:50 GMT -5
Thoughts are wonderful things Nowadays they are considered Intellectual property of the one who created them If we can own something , then that makes it real whether it exists or not in the material world Whereas material things only exist if you believe they exist. If you can't see it, it's not Can thoughts be considered IP if they are not realized? are you thinking of ethically or legalities?
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Post by Sheep on Jan 12, 2016 19:17:06 GMT -5
Interesting article about this in Modern Farmer Shrek , a sheep that didn't get sheared for 6 years . He was a huge ball of wool that would have grown until he died. According to the article.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 20:21:53 GMT -5
Perhaps the most significan comment my Lord made about sheep (to me, anyway,) is "all ye like sheep, have gone astray."
True, His sheep know and hear His voice.
There was No such things as "under shepherds" in the Bible that I have been able to find, feeders, yes, under shepherds, no. However, if I am wrong, I am pretty sure it is soon gonna be pointed out to me!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 12, 2016 20:37:55 GMT -5
How does a strict materialist (ex: Dawkins) reconcile a dog eat dog/survival of the fittest world with the overwhelming evidence that we have an inherited need to be truly compassionate in order to survive . The need to be loved and to love unconditionally is part of how we have survived , fact . So many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they understand it but really most of us need to study the subject thoroughly.
Issues need to be studied carefully, issues like what does "truly compassionate" mean or the "need to be loved and to love unconditionally" when it comes to the survival of the species.
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Post by Yes on Jan 12, 2016 22:05:33 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/681162/thread" timestamp="1452540093" . So many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they .......font color="0f0366"].[/b][/font] [/quote] The idea that all that comprises our world today is reducible to a unintelligent burp in the cosmos would be a hilarious comedy if no one showed up to observe it! Think about a complete and futile display of total splendor, and an empty house with nobody home.... ThankGod that we humans showed up to truly appreciate this specticale! ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 12, 2016 23:47:26 GMT -5
"So many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they .......".
The idea that all that comprises our world today is reducible to a unintelligent burp in the cosmos would be a hilarious comedy if no one showed up to observe it!
Think about a complete and futile display of total splendor, and an empty house with nobody home....
ThankGod that we humans showed up to truly appreciate this specticale! ? As I said in the beginning,
"many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they understand it but really most of us need to study the subject thoroughly."
Your use of the term "burp in the cosmos" indicates that you would be one of those who would benefit from a more thorough study of evolution of life.
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Post by Yesu on Jan 13, 2016 0:52:40 GMT -5
"So many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they .......".
The idea that all that comprises our world today is reducible to a unintelligent burp in the cosmos would be a hilarious comedy if no one showed up to observe it!
Think about a complete and futile display of total splendor, and an empty house with nobody home....
ThankGod that we humans showed up to truly appreciate this specticale! ? As I said in the beginning,
"many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they understand it but really most of us need to study the subject thoroughly."
Your use of the term "burp in the cosmos" indicates that you would be one of those who would benefit from a more thorough study of evolution of life.
The fact is , the universe is an irreducible state on so many fronts. Wouldn't you agree that is true? If you will agree then let us continue to find commonality in what is real and what is only a theory
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 2:59:47 GMT -5
Everything that has and will be created was created Well, this is just false. There are new elements created from time to time. And there is the big question of where the missing mass of the universe if hiding. Being simpler, I would vote RNA. Mouth. You can find mouths on animals that live in water and have no use for a voice box. My favorite example - planarian flatworms. Organs sensitive to pressure created by sound - primitive ears. The egg. The theory of intelligent design? Creationism theory? Compared to these the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are solid proofs!
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 3:03:24 GMT -5
Most sheep do shed their wool. In fact some people are concerned that wool is sometimes removed early to avoid loss through shedding leaving the sheep without the wool they need to keep warm. However, it is true that through genetic modification some sheep do shed less than others. Do you work with sheep? Sheep do not shed wool You don't have to take my word about it - www.veganpeace.com/animal_cruelty/wool.htmMaybe you could find those articles. How do you suggest sheep survived in the wild before they were domesticated?
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 3:06:13 GMT -5
The fact is , the universe is an irreducible state on so many fronts. Wouldn't you agree that is true? If you will agree then let us continue to find commonality in what is real and what is only a theory You need to get information from places other than fundamentalist sites.
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Post by Please on Jan 13, 2016 3:27:16 GMT -5
Everything that has and will be created was created Well, this is just false. There are new elements created from time to time. And there is the big question of where the missing mass of the universe if hiding. Being simpler, I would vote RNA. Mouth. You can find mouths on animals that live in water and have no use for a voice box. My favorite example - planarian flatworms. Organs sensitive to pressure created by sound - primitive ears. The egg. The theory of intelligent design? Creationism theory? Compared to these the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are solid proofs! Ignorance is not a reliable indicator of veracity I disagree with the rebuttal you offered You would know that design is itself an observation. Observe the purpose of what can be observed and we see a perfect design , fine tuned and irreducibly interconnected with information and intelligence .
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2016 3:37:29 GMT -5
As I said in the beginning,
"many people do not have a clear idea of the evolution of life. They get bits & pieces and think they understand it but really most of us need to study the subject thoroughly."
Your use of the term "burp in the cosmos" indicates that you would be one of those who would benefit from a more thorough study of evolution of life.
The fact is , the universe is an irreducible state on so many fronts.Wouldn't you agree that is true? If you will agree then let us continue to find commonality in what is real and what is only a theory No, I certainly don't agree "irreducible complexity " is a fact.
It is a pseudoscientific argument that certain biological systems cannot be evolved by successive, slight modifications to a functional precursor system through natural selection.
It is NOT scientific and just another creationist concept.
There are many examples documented through comparative genomics showing that complex molecular systems are formed by the addition of components as revealed by different temporal origins of their proteins.
Like I said before, -you would benefit from a more thorough study of evolution of life. (rather that listening to people like Michael Behe)
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Post by Yes on Jan 13, 2016 3:58:05 GMT -5
Irreducible construction is an observation of reality It is not a theory that GOD needs in order to create . Creation is a fact that can be observed
Nature/GOD is constantly creating things and life.
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 13, 2016 4:39:26 GMT -5
[quote timestamp="1452641472" source="/post/. How do you suggest sheep survived in the wild before they were domesticated? I get information from sites that strive to tell the truth Sheep were created for mankind Designed to provide clothing and food! We still find great pleasure in this purpose. right? I do not believe the sheep DNA-RNA has changed since Adam, or since the time of Noah (Abraham being born shortly after Noah died) Certainly sheep have a symbolic place that people have observed throughout history, given the interdependence of the sheep's nature and its usefulness to mankind
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2016 5:44:08 GMT -5
Irreducible construction is an observation of reality. It is not a theory that GOD needs in order to create . Creation is a fact that can be observed Nature/GOD is constantly creating things and life. So why are some life becoming constantly becoming extinct?
If "god" is constantly creating life, why does he need to get rid of the past models?
Can't HE get it right the first time?
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 13, 2016 6:00:30 GMT -5
Irreducible construction is an observation of reality. It is not a theory that GOD needs in order to create . Creation is a fact that can be observed Nature/GOD is constantly creating things and life. So why are some life becoming constantly becoming extinct?
If "god" is constantly creating life, why does he need to get rid of the past models?
Can't HE get it right the first time?GOD allows us to either accept His world , or go find another one! Why do people do what people do? GOD does for reasons only He knows
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 9:22:02 GMT -5
Why do people do what people do? GOD does for reasons only He knows I am sure you believe this in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. For example, in another thread (or perhaps this same one) I posted an article regarding a man who, after living a good part of his behaving normally as expected, suddenly began forcing his wife to have sex (she considered it being raped), became obsessed with having sex with young children, and even motioned to his young grand daughter (who looked into the room to see what the noise was) to enter and join his wife and himself. The man had gone from being normal and turned into a rapist who was very interested in having sex with children. Do you think this was the work of god? Or is it possible that it was the tumor that was growing in the man's brain? Once it was removed the man returned to normal and was horrified at his behavior. At a later date, when his behavior took a turn for the worse, examination showed that the tumor had returned. The point of it is that the reasons behind behavior in many times is known and it has nothing to do with a paranormal being. And as time goes on more and more is being learned. People are hopefully no longer killing birds and splattering the victims of disease with blood in an attempt to cure them. From your posts it is clear that you are getting your information from fundamentalist sites and have little or no interest in looking at the facts that support one theory or another. I trust you will not be sacrificing birds as a cure for STDs. And if you see someone having a seizure, just to be safe, call for medical help first before you start praying that the demons leave the body. There is no issue if you hold these ideas as beliefs. Your beliefs are yours and there is no reason why you should have to defend/prove them. However, if you want to continue to discuss them as facts/truths, at least with me, then you will need to provide references to support your claims and, should you want to continue the discussion, I will do the same. I have no desire to change your beliefs but I am always willing to discuss theories.
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Post by ModernFarmer on Jan 13, 2016 16:58:50 GMT -5
Is a magazine not a site The author seems knowledgeable about sheep There is a picture accompanying the article , showing this sheep with 60 #. of I shorn wool next to him It was likely done for publicity, but the fact remains the sheep needed to be shorn and the wool then was made into sweaters. Believe it or not! Then it was called a glitch in evolution, whatever ?
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 20:50:07 GMT -5
Is a magazine not a site The author seems knowledgeable about sheep There is a picture accompanying the article , showing this sheep with 60 #. of I shorn wool next to him It was likely done for publicity, but the fact remains the sheep needed to be shorn and the wool then was made into sweaters. Believe it or not! Then it was called a glitch in evolution, whatever ???? Through selective breeding sheep have been modified to hold onto their wool longer. A single sheep not shedding does not mean that sheep do not shed any more than a single man not losing his hair means that men do not go bald.
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 21:29:34 GMT -5
Sheep were created for mankind Designed to provide clothing and food! Like cockr oaches? Well, there is this bit of data: Feb. 7, 2012 — Mapping the ancestry of sheep over the past 11,000 years has revealed that our woolly friends are stars among domestic animals, boasting vast genetic diversity.Diversity generally means that there are many different DNA types. Symbolism doesn't define the physical animal. And remember Dolly, the cloned sheep.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2016 23:29:15 GMT -5
Well, this is just false. There are new elements created from time to time. And there is the big question of where the missing mass of the universe if hiding. Being simpler, I would vote RNA. Mouth. You can find mouths on animals that live in water and have no use for a voice box. My favorite example - planarian flatworms. Organs sensitive to pressure created by sound - primitive ears. The egg. The theory of intelligent design? Creationism theory? Compared to these the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution are solid proofs! Ignorance is not a reliable indicator of veracity I disagree with the rebuttal you offered You would know that design is itself an observation. Observe the purpose of what can be observed and we see a perfect design , fine tuned and irreducibly interconnected with information and intelligence . If a life form is "a perfect design & fine tuned " -why has so many many life forms become extinct' and or have changed?
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 23:34:06 GMT -5
Ignorance is not a reliable indicator of veracity I disagree with the rebuttal you offered You would know that design is itself an observation. Observe the purpose of what can be observed and we see a perfect design , fine tuned and irreducibly interconnected with information and intelligence . If a life form is "a perfect design & fine tuned " -why has so many many life forms become extinct' and or have changed?This does beg the question why 99+% of all species have become extinct. A quick search on the internet will dispel the idea of there being a lot of intelligence in many of the designs. Perfect design would not produce defective offspring.
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Post by Dogs on Jan 14, 2016 3:31:26 GMT -5
If a life form is "a perfect design & fine tuned " -why has so many many life forms become extinct' and or have changed? This does beg the question why 99+% of all species have become extinct. A quick search on the internet will dispel the idea of there being a lot of intelligence in many of the designs. Perfect design would not produce defective offspring. A perfect design that allows dogs to eat other dogs don't you think? Lots of diversity but yet perfectly designed to survive for a given time on a perfectly designed for man planet named Earth. 100!
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Post by Sheep on Jan 14, 2016 3:53:36 GMT -5
[bra I think Adam domesticated them probably 24 hours after they were turned loose into the wild Not enough time to get very wild. Keep it 100
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Post by rational on Jan 14, 2016 9:55:45 GMT -5
This does beg the question why 99+% of all species have become extinct. A quick search on the internet will dispel the idea of there being a lot of intelligence in many of the designs. Perfect design would not produce defective offspring. A perfect design that allows dogs to eat other dogs don't you think? Or humans to eat cattle or bacteria to consume human flesh. It is not a design but a system that allows species to survive for a time, usually by consuming other members of their ecosystem. Not designed for man but an environment in which man developed and fits into the that form factor. And as far as perfect design - think of the millions that die because of the hostile environment in which they live. You are looking through rose colored glasses. Remember these bits of the 'perfect earth': A massive 7.0-magnitude earthquake has struck the Caribbean nation of Haiti. The extent of the devastation is still unclear but there are fears thousands of people may have died. A dozen years ago, a magnitude 9.1 earthquake struck beneath the Indian Ocean near Indonesia, generating a massive tsunami that claimed more than 230,000 lives in fourteen different countries, one of the deadliest natural disasters ever recorded.I guess you can consider the earth to be perfectly designed if you consider the death of a quarter of a million innocent people a good thing.
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Post by Design on Jan 14, 2016 11:53:28 GMT -5
A perfect design that allows dogs to eat other dogs don't you think? Or humans to eat cattle or bacteria to consume human flesh. It is not a design but a system that allows species to survive for a time, usually by consuming other members of their ecosystem. Not designed for man but an environment in which man developed and fits into the that form factor. And as far as perfect design - think of the millions that die because of the hostile environment in which they live. You are looking through rose colored glasses. Remember these bits of the 'perfect earth': A massive 7.0-magnitude earthquake has struck the Caribbean nation of Haiti. The extent of the devastation is still unclear but there are fears thousands of people may have died. A dozen years ago, a magnitude 9.1 earthquake struck beneath the Indian Ocean is near Indonesia, generating a massive tsunami that claimed more than 230,000 lives in fourteen different countries, one of the deadliest natural disasters ever recorded.I guess you can consider the earth to be perfectly designed if you consider the death of a quarter of a million innocent people a good thing. [ Maybe we can observe what appears to be designed by Creator that will continually vet until all is perfectly vetted I cannot deny that this earth /universe is incredibly and wonderfully created/designed to demonstrate things that not only appear to be designed but are truly designed. We can either believe that or not.
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Post by Utopian on Jan 14, 2016 12:20:34 GMT -5
We can have a perfectly designed building
The design doesn't force its utility, in this case it is being inhabited by a population that uses Free will to turn it from a utopia to : broken and ignomic
Hopefully there are some people that have a noble vision of its true value and see it for how it was truly designed, to teach us about our Creator.
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