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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:06:46 GMT -5
God wasn’t created, no beginnings no ending.. how do you know? Logic You clearly do not understand the definition of logic.
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:07:47 GMT -5
Right from the Logos, He created the beginning of all things Gen. 1:1 So because Gen. 1 says so, it’s true right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 23:10:39 GMT -5
sorta kind..until the end of course then he becomes the God of revenge and punishment again.... Did god have a beginning? Or always “has been”.. as far as we know he has always been...
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:15:36 GMT -5
Did god have a beginning? Or always “has been”.. as far as we know he has always been... As far as you “think” you know..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 23:18:25 GMT -5
as far as we know he has always been... As far as you “think” you know.. do you have something other than opinion thats suggests when he was allegedly created?
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Post by So then on Feb 25, 2020 23:19:49 GMT -5
You clearly do not understand the definition of logic. Well if p then q is true , whenever both p and q are true, and it happens that p and q are both true! 😁 thank you
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:21:23 GMT -5
As far as you “think” you know.. do you have something other than opinion thats suggests when he was allegedly created? No I don’t, but let’s not get too caught up with “opinion” now will we..
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:22:58 GMT -5
You clearly do not understand the definition of logic. Well if p then q is true , whenever both p and q are true, and it happens that p and q are both true! 😁 thank you Riiiight. As you were...
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Post by So then on Feb 25, 2020 23:33:24 GMT -5
Thanks 🤝
i am gone for for a bit now 😴
ill check back later
thanks
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 25, 2020 23:36:24 GMT -5
Thanks 🤝 i am gone for for a bit now 😴 ill check back later thanks Maybe after a bit of rest we can continue our talk about your idea of “logic”.. 😁
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Post by So then on Feb 25, 2020 23:41:01 GMT -5
Thanks 🤝 i am gone for for a bit now 😴 ill check back later thanks Maybe after a bit of rest we can continue our talk about your idea of “logic”.. 😁 😁
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Post by iam on Feb 26, 2020 0:35:29 GMT -5
I am not an intellect or consider myself intellectual. Been there done that and I aim rather for simplicity. I don't find many/any conversations here that doesn't bring out feelings of some sort. People feel they way they do because of their personal feelings or lack thereof. But the person that brought up this thread requests "avoiding feelings" which I feel isn't happening in this conversation. Yes, it’s difficult to know the intention of the request to not be influenced by our “feelings”.. it may may be that he was trying to get people to be more analytical minded, instead of “ I think we have the answers “ when we are just speculating without doing a serious search for the answer. But since no one can claim to know the answers then we resort to what we think.feel/ or believe . That’s what i feel they are doing anyway. thanks for your analysis of all these replies!! I don't have an analytical mind but there are some on here that are definitely capable of that. It's just another gift that I DON'T have😄
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2020 0:54:31 GMT -5
Right from the Logos, He created the beginning of all things Gen. 1:1 No. That is not the meaning of the term "logic."
logic log·ic noun The definition of logic is a science that studies the principles of correct reasoning. An example of logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth.
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 1:05:31 GMT -5
Right from the Logos, He created the beginning of all things Gen. 1:1 No. That is not the meaning of the term "logic."
logic log·ic noun The definition of logic is a science that studies the principles of correct reasoning. An example of logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth.
Well , well. Thanks for setting everything in order 🤝 and yet we we can find that logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ! thanks
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 1:21:38 GMT -5
”what is the concept of the logos?”
you might want want to google that,
or or we can go with: the divine reason implicit
in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it meaning.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2020 1:26:21 GMT -5
No. That is not the meaning of the term "logic."
logic log·ic noun The definition of logic is a science that studies the principles of correct reasoning. An example of logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth.
Well , well. Thanks for setting everything in order 🤝 and yet we we can find that logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ! thanks You really think that they are related? - logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ?
Definition of Logos
-the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
-reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Doesn't really sound as if they are comparable as to their definitions.
Definition of logic
-logic is a science that studies the principles of correct reasoning.
An example of logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth.
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 1:32:06 GMT -5
Well , well. Thanks for setting everything in order 🤝 and yet we we can find that logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ! thanks You really think that they are related? - logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ?
Definition of Logos
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: the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
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: reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Doesn't really sound as if they are comparable as to their definitionsPlease google “the concept of logos” thank you
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 1:47:00 GMT -5
also google : ‘ logos and logic’
thank you
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2020 2:02:50 GMT -5
You really think that they are related? - logic is to logos , as analytic is to analysis ?
Definition of Logos 1 : the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
2 : reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe Doesn't really sound as if they are comparable as to their definitions Please google “the concept of logos”
thank you
Yes, I was already aware of that meaning of both terms as well as their origin.
logos
Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, romanized: lógos; from λέγω, légō, lit. 'I say') is a term in Western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word variously meaning "ground", "plea", "opinion", "expectation", "word", "speech", "account", "reason", "proportion", and "discourse".
It became a technical term in Western philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c. 535 – c. 475 BC), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge.
Ancient Greek philosophers used the term in different ways. The sophists used the term to mean discourse.
Aristotle applied the term to refer to "reasoned discourse" or "the argument" in the field of rhetoric, and considered it one of the three modes of persuasion alongside ethos and pathos.
Pyrrhonist philosophers used the term to refer to dogmatic accounts of non-evident matters.
The Stoics spoke of the logos spermatikos (the generative principle of the Universe) which foreshadows related concepts in Neoplatonism.
Within Hellenistic Judaism, Philo (c. 20 BC – c. 50 AD) adopted the term into Jewish philosophy.[7]
Philo distinguished between logos prophorikos ("the uttered word") and the logos endiathetos ("the word remaining within").[8]
The Gospel of John identifies the Christian Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos), and further identifies Jesus Christ as the incarnateLogos
Early translators of the Greek New Testament such as Jerome (in the 4th century AD) were frustrated by the inadequacy of any single Latin word to convey the meaning of the word logos as used to describe Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John.
The Vulgate Bible usage of in principio erat verbum was thus constrained to use the (perhaps inadequate) noun verbum for "word", but later Romance language translations had the advantage of nouns such as le mot in French.
Reformation translators took another approach.
Martin Luther rejected Zeitwort (verb) in favor of Wort (word), for instance, although later commentators repeatedly turned to a more dynamic use involving the living word as felt by Jerome and Augustine.[10]
The term is also used in Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.
Despite the conventional translation as "word", logos is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis (λέξις, léxis) was used.
However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb légō (λέγω), meaning "(I) count, tell, say, speak".
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Logic (from the Ancient Greek: λογική, romanized: logikḗ[1]) is the systematic study of the forms of inference, the relations that lead to the acceptance of one proposition, the conclusion, on the basis of a set of other propositions, the premises.
More broadly, logic is the analysis and appraisal of arguments.
The premises may or may not support the conclusion; when they do not, the relation is characterized as a fallacy. In ordinary discourse, inferences may be signified by words such as therefore, thus, hence, ergo, and so on.
There is no universal agreement as to the exact definition and boundaries of logic, and this is why the issue still remains one of the main subjects of research and debates in the field of philosophy of logic (see § Rival conceptions, below).[3][4][5]
However, it has traditionally included the classification of arguments, the systematic exposition of the logical forms, the validity and soundness of deductive reasoning, the strength of inductive reasoning, the study of proof and inference (including paradoxes and fallacies), and the study of syntax and semantics.
Historically, logic has been studied in philosophy (since ancient times) and mathematics (since the mid-19th century).
More recently, logic has been studied in cognitive science, which draws on computer science, linguistics, philosophy and psychology, among other disciplines.
so there you have the two: logic and logo.
It is complicated (to say the least) -but for me, I can NOT believe that the Logos as claimed in the bible about Jesus, can even possibly be based on logic!
It simply is not logical for any human being to have died and then be resurrected 3 days later & then later rise into the sky!
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 2:31:57 GMT -5
thank you for googling
my analysis of logic is that it pertains to
the logos.
And google affirms that analysis
thank you
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2020 2:50:36 GMT -5
thank you for googling my analysis of logic is that it pertains to the logos. And google affirms that analysis thank you You are welcome.
Can you explain how your "analysis of logic is that it pertains to the logos was affirmed by google?"
I sincerely would like to know because it is a complete mystery to me to understand what you are saying.
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 3:31:59 GMT -5
thank you for googling my analysis of logic is that it pertains to the logos. And google affirms that analysis thank you You are welcome.
Can you explain how your "analysis of logic is that it pertains to the logos was affirmed by google?"
I sincerely would like to know because it is a complete mystery to me to understand what you are saying.
than What ? It is purely logical, imo please google the phrase “logos and logic” you should get get exactly what I got! thank you 🙂
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 3:39:14 GMT -5
For your reading :
Derived from a Greek word , logos means “logic”,
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maybe that means G-D means “logic” ....??
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 26, 2020 4:34:09 GMT -5
You are welcome.
Can you explain how your "analysis of logic is that it pertains to the logos was affirmed by google?"
I sincerely would like to know because it is a complete mystery to me to understand what you are saying.
What ? It is purely logical, imo please google the phrase “logos and logic” you should get get exactly what I got! thank you 🙂 I'll have to work on it for awhile.
I will run it past my daughter, the philosopher who studied at the U of Chicago.
We have some very interesting discussions.
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 26, 2020 5:25:24 GMT -5
Right from the Logos, He created the beginning of all things Gen. 1:1 Can you imagine how the neighbours of ancient Israel would have seen that text... “In the beginning, god created...”. I’m sure they would ask the question, “where did god come from?”. It’s interesting that all of the ancient near east creation accounts tells of how their god came to be, which is known as theogony. Genesis lacks theogony. Genesis, from a comparative perspective then, begins mid story..
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 6:58:31 GMT -5
Right from the Logos, He created the beginning of all things Gen. 1:1 Can you imagine how the neighbours of ancient Israel would have seen that text... “In the beginning, god created...”. I’m sure they would ask the question, “where did god come from?”. It’s interesting that all of the ancient near east creation accounts tells of how their god came to be, which is known as theogony. Genesis lacks theogony. Genesis, from a comparative perspective then, begins mid story.. Yes, there are some interesting questions that may arise from their neighboring comrades There is an interesting history surrounding these Competitors: Try reading : “Nimrod and Abraham, the rivalry” 🤐🤐 Not sure what they were trying to accomplish! Eh? Thanks
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Post by snow on Feb 26, 2020 13:22:11 GMT -5
For your reading : Derived from a Greek word , logos means “logic”, ...... maybe that means G-D means “logic” ....?? Wisdom got translated as logos in Greek and we get the word logic from it in English. But the original definition that the Jews were using when writing the bible was not logic, it was Wisdom/knowledge and Wisdom and The Word were considered to be an essence separate from God that worked with God to create. So no, the original meaning wasn't logic.
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Post by So then on Feb 26, 2020 15:14:18 GMT -5
The Greek word logos is from the oldest of the Greek Symbolic concepts that was useful in communication.
Aristotle sought to define it as such (as per thought)
If we wish to decry him of his effort in defining
that should be of interesting note, as rarely do
We Americans decry Webster’s original even as we
Add additional definitions to such words?
Carry on , ! 🙂
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