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Post by Gues4 on Mar 5, 2016 6:11:22 GMT -5
Can you give me the name of a creationist that lies about his educational achievements? I have not read any that claim to be a scientist when they weren't. Names please? Carl Baugh for one. "The specific science degrees claimed by Baugh (or attributed to him) have varied somewhat from account to account In recent years Baugh has claimed a "Masters Degree in Archaeology from Pacific College" and a "Doctor of Philosophy Degree in Anthropology from College of Advanced Education."
Baugh gave the location of the College of Advanced Education (CAE) as Irving, Texas; however, the Chamber of Commerce, and Department of Taxation, and phone directory in Irving have no record of the school.[16 When pressed by an assistant for the address of CAE, Baugh gave it as "2355 West Pioneer, Irving, TX, 75061" and indicated that its dean was Dr. Don Davis.[17]. The address appears on a small house in Irving, located next to Sherwood Baptist Church, whose pastor is Rev. Don Davis. Davis indicated that CAE is a "missions" school, with no science classes or facilities.[18]
70"]art[/font]en [/font][/font]teacher for my daughter .) I'll keep looking. Some have legitimate degrees but one is in engineering, - no degrees in biological science.[/b][/font][/quote][ Personally i do not use any "sites" to form my beliefs. We all find have beliefs and we verify the beliefs by hearing both sides and choosing. I choose to believe that God created. (and I am not a world renown scientist! . ). Thank you
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Post by Yes on Mar 5, 2016 6:22:48 GMT -5
And even though Jesus cannot be shown to hold degrees in theology, His understanding of the bible inspires many including me!
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Post by Parental copout on Mar 5, 2016 6:38:42 GMT -5
"What kind of off day was he having when he threw you together?" [ Sometimes you just have to blame the parenting! When you eliminate "hope" as a reality of existing we are a hopeless creature !
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 5, 2016 7:11:43 GMT -5
And even though Jesus cannot be shown to hold degrees in theology, His understanding of the bible inspires many including me! What do you mean by "his understanding of the bible" ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 7:46:53 GMT -5
I presume it is meant His teachings and contributions in the Bible.
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Post by Hebrew on Mar 5, 2016 7:59:11 GMT -5
And even though Jesus cannot be shown to hold degrees in theology, His understanding of the bible inspires many including me! What do you mean by "his understanding of the bible" ? He demonstrated an authorative understanding of all the scriptures preserved, and by his understanding of the letter of the old , revealed the spirit of the New and living way. And yes, his teachings have also been preserved as authoritative . Rightly so. Thank you!
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 5, 2016 8:47:00 GMT -5
What do you mean by "his understanding of the bible" ? He demonstrated an authorative understanding of all the scriptures preserved, and by his understanding of the letter of the old , revealed the spirit of the New and living way. And yes, his teachings have also been preserved as authoritative . Rightly so. Thank you! So it wasn't really his understanding of the bible as such ! Who preserved his teachings ?
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Post by Huh on Mar 5, 2016 9:06:51 GMT -5
He demonstrated an authorative understanding of all the scriptures preserved, and by his understanding of the letter of the old , revealed the spirit of the New and living way. And yes, his teachings have also been preserved as authoritative . Rightly so. Thank you! So it wasn't really his understanding of the bible as such ! Who preserved his teachings ? It is plain written of Jesus that he searched the scriptures. He spoke to the people about the Hebrew (Old) law , and expounded as one that had authority. The gospels and epistles were preserved by many writers, etc.
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Post by Bible Curious on Mar 5, 2016 14:11:40 GMT -5
You mention that it is plain written "Jesus" searched the scriptures. Please give the location(s) of where that might be found? Thanks.
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Post by authorship on Mar 5, 2016 17:39:36 GMT -5
You mention that it is plain written "Jesus" searched the scriptures. Please give the location(s) of where that might be found? Thanks. [ Mathew 5:17-18. Scripture= word of God = Jesus mission to world (Jesus spoke as with complete knowledge/authority)
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 5, 2016 20:02:42 GMT -5
Carl Baugh for one. "The specific science degrees claimed by Baugh (or attributed to him) have varied somewhat from account to account In recent years Baugh has claimed a "Masters Degree in Archaeology from Pacific College" and a "Doctor of Philosophy Degree in Anthropology from College of Advanced Education."
Baugh gave the location of the College of Advanced Education (CAE) as Irving, Texas; however, the Chamber of Commerce, and Department of Taxation, and phone directory in Irving have no record of the school.[16 When pressed by an assistant for the address of CAE, Baugh gave it as "2355 West Pioneer, Irving, TX, 75061" and indicated that its dean was Dr. Don Davis.[17]. The address appears on a small house in Irving, located next to Sherwood Baptist Church, whose pastor is Rev. Don Davis. Davis indicated that CAE is a "missions" school, with no science classes or facilities.[18]
[/font]en [/font][/font]teacher for my daughter .) I'll keep looking. Some have legitimate degrees but one is in engineering, - no degrees in biological science.[/b][/font][/quote][ Personally i do not use any "sites" to form my beliefs. We all find have beliefs and we verify the beliefs by hearing both sides and choosing. I choose to believe that God created. (and I am not a world renown scientist! . ). Thank you[/quote] I'm sorry but I am having a hard time unraveling your post above. I was answering your questions where you asked: "Can you give me the name of a creationist that lies about his educational achievements? I have not read any that claim to be a scientist when they weren't. Names please? "
I gave you a couple names. How I could go about answering your questions & giving you the names of "creationists" who claim to be scientists if I didn't go to certain "sites" for validation of my answers?
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Post by Thanks on Mar 5, 2016 21:09:52 GMT -5
[/font]en [/font][/font]teacher for my daughter .) I'll keep looking. Some have legitimate degrees but one is in engineering, - no degrees in biological science.[/b][/font][/quote][ Personally i do not use any "sites" to form my beliefs. We all find have beliefs and we verify the beliefs by hearing both sides and choosing. I choose to believe that God created. (and I am not a world renown scientist! . ). Thank you[/quote] I'm sorry but I am having a hard time unraveling your post above. I was answering your questions where you asked: "Can you give me the name of a creationist that lies about his educational achievements? I have not read any that claim to be a scientist when they weren't. Names please? "
I gave you a couple names. How I could go about answering your questions & giving you the names of "creationists" who claim to be scientists if I didn't go to certain "sites" for validation of my answers?
[/quote] I do not know if they are or aren't , (scientists) If you disagree with there methods, then you likely do not agree with there analysis? Is there proof that they are deceiving ? If they are, does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue? I am tired of false theories! Tell me why you believe in miraculous origins just like everyone else. Until there is proof otherwise....
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 5, 2016 22:10:57 GMT -5
I do not know if they are or aren't , (scientists) If you disagree with there methods, then you likely do not agree with there analysis? Is there proof that they are deceiving ?If they are, does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue? I am tired of false theories! Tell me why you believe in miraculous origins just like everyone else. Until there is proof otherwise.... [/quote] If you don't know for yourself whether they are, or aren't, scientists; why are you asking me for names & then ignoring what information that I give you?
It isn't a matter of whether I disagree with their methods, -it is whether reputable scientists consider their work & their methods to be valid.
Wouldn't you consider someone as "deceiving" if they get their "degree" in science by mail from a private house that hasn't even an curriculum in science? (or anything else) How can you say, "If they are, ( deceiving) does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue?"
I can't understand how you or ANYONE who would know someone was deceiving them and yet still have any confidence in their conclusions!
Where did I ever say that believe in "miraculous" origins.
I DON'T believe in "miraculous" origins: those actions that are "performed by or involving a supernatural power or agency"
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 5, 2016 22:17:02 GMT -5
So it wasn't really his understanding of the bible as such ! Who preserved his teachings ? It is plain written of Jesus that he searched the scriptures. He spoke to the people about the Hebrew (Old) law , and expounded as one that had authority. The gospels and epistles were preserved by many writers, etc. Which scriptures were they that he searched ? I didn't realise the bible was around in Jesus's time ?? The writers that preserved the gospels, did they see Jesus ? How many years after Christ was crucified were the gospels written ?
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Post by Yes on Mar 6, 2016 6:38:08 GMT -5
It is plain written of Jesus that he searched the scriptures. authority. The gospels and epistles were preserved by many writers, etc. Which scriptures were they that he searched ? I didn't realise the bible was around in Jesus's time ? ? [ Jesus often quoted from the law and prophets He even talked about the days of Noah , Solomon, Jonah, Isaiah , Abraham , sodom and gamora, Moses, David, etc, etc On the cross he remembered (John 19:28): .........that the scripture might be fulfilled said , "I thirst"
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Post by Hmmmm on Mar 6, 2016 6:42:01 GMT -5
I do not know if they are or aren't , (scientists) If you disagree with there methods, then you likely do not agree with there analysis? Is there proof that they are deceiving ?If they are, does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue? I am tired of false theories! Tell me why you believe in miraculous origins just like everyone else. Until there is proof otherwise.... If you don't know for yourself whether they are, or aren't, scientists; why are you asking me for names & then ignoring what information that I give you?
It isn't a matter of whether I disagree with their methods, -it is whether reputable scientists consider their work & their methods to be valid.
Wouldn't you consider someone as "deceiving" if they get their "degree" in science by mail from a private house that hasn't even an curriculum in science? (or anything else) How can you say, "If they are, ( deceiving) does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue?"
I can't understand how you or ANYONE who would know someone was deceiving them and yet still have any confidence in their conclusions!
Where did I ever say that believe in "miraculous" origins.
I DON'T believe in "miraculous" origins: those actions that are "performed by or involving a supernatural power or agency"
[/quote] and does any one believe that Lydel or Erasmus Darwin or Charles Darwin were qualified ?
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Post by Hmmmm on Mar 6, 2016 6:46:59 GMT -5
I do not know if they are or aren't , (scientists) If you disagree with there methods, then you likely do not agree with there analysis? Is there proof that they are deceiving ?If they are, does that mean they are on the wrong side of the issue? I am tired of false theories! Tell me why you believe in miraculous origins just like everyone else. Until there is proof otherwise.... If you don't know for yourself whether they are, or aren't, scientists; why are you asking me for names & then ignoring what information that I give you?
It isn't a matter of whether I [/u. ....ne was deceiving them and yet still have any confidence in their conclusions!
Where did I ever say that believe in "miraculous" origins.
I DON'T believe in "miraculous" origins: those actions that are "performed by or involving a supernatural power or agency"
[ and does any one believe that Lydel or Erasmus Darwin or Charles Darwin were qualified ?
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Post by Hmmmm on Mar 6, 2016 6:52:33 GMT -5
]I DON'T believe in "miraculous" origins: those actions that are "performed by or involving a supernatural power or agency"
[/b][/font][/font][/quote][ and does any one believe that Lydel or Erasmus Darwin or Charles Darwin were qualified ? what is the latest update on origin of life from no life?
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 6, 2016 7:07:23 GMT -5
Which scriptures were they that he searched ? I didn't realise the bible was around in Jesus's time ? ? [ Jesus often quoted from the law and prophets He even talked about the days of Noah , Solomon, Jonah, Isaiah , Abraham , sodom and gamora, Moses, David, etc, etc On the cross he remembered (John 19:28): .........that the scripture might be fulfilled said , "I thirst" How could he remember John 19:28 on the cross, when the bible wasn't even put together then !
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Post by Yes on Mar 6, 2016 8:13:35 GMT -5
[ Jesus often quoted from the law and prophets He even talked about the days of Noah , Solomon, Jonah, Isaiah , Abraham , sodom and gamora, Moses, David, etc, etc On the cross he remembered (John 19:28): .........that the scripture might be fulfilled said , "I thirst" How could he remember John 19:28 on the cross, when the bible wasn't even put together then ! [br John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that ALL things were now now accomplished , that the scripture might BE fulfilled, smith , "I thirst". 19:29 Now there was set a vessel of vinegar...... This , they fulfilled the prophesy made in OT , "they offered him vinegar to comfort him...with......"
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Post by Prophesy on Mar 6, 2016 8:21:10 GMT -5
Psalms 69:21. ........and in my thirst gave me vinegar to drink. ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 7, 2016 1:09:43 GMT -5
Which scriptures were they that he searched ? I didn't realise the bible was around in Jesus's time ? ? [ Jesus often quoted from the law and prophets He even talked about the days of Noah , Solomon, Jonah, Isaiah , Abraham , sodom and gamora, Moses, David, etc, etc On the cross he remembered (John 19:28): .........that the scripture might be fulfilled said , "I thirst" You didn't answer the question, how could he remember John 19:28 on the cross, when John 19:28 didn't exist when Jesus was on the cross ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 7, 2016 2:34:24 GMT -5
If you don't know for yourself whether they are, or aren't, scientists; why are you asking me for names & then ignoring what information that I give you?
It isn't a matter of whether I [/u. ....ne was deceiving them and yet still have any confidence in their conclusions!
Where did I ever say that believe in "miraculous" origins.
I DON'T believe in "miraculous" origins: those actions that are "performed by or involving a supernatural power or agency"
and does any one believe that Lydel or Erasmus Darwin or Charles Darwin were qualified ? Why did you mess up my post as you did above? (red area)
I ask you how you or ANYONE who would know someone was deceiving them and yet still have any confidence in their conclusions! Your didn't answer that question.
If you are asking me if Lydel or Erasmus Darwin or Charles Darwin were qualified as scientists; -yes they were. Why do you ask?
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Post by rational on Mar 7, 2016 9:44:12 GMT -5
How could he remember John 19:28 on the cross, when the bible wasn't even put together then ! [br John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that ALL things were now now accomplished , that the scripture might BE fulfilled, smith , "I thirst". 19:29 Now there was set a vessel of vinegar...... This , they fulfilled the prophesy made in OT , "they offered him vinegar to comfort him...with......" Again, this is clearly a case of postdiction. Matthew states the vinegar was given for comfort and the verse in Psalms states the gall(poison?) and vinegar was given for the opposite reason. Of course, there are those who claim the sponge on a stick soaked in vinegar was really a xylosphongium. It provides a good explanation of why there would be a sponge on a stick available.
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Post by Hmmmmm on Mar 7, 2016 14:15:10 GMT -5
[br John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that ALL things were now now accomplished , that the scripture might BE fulfilled, smith , "I thirst". 19:29 Now there was set a vessel of vinegar...... This , they fulfilled the prophesy made in OT , "they offered him vinegar to comfort him...with......" Again, this is clearly a case of postdiction. Matthew states the vinegar was given for comfort and the verse in Psalms states the gall(poison?) and vinegar was given for the opposite reason. Of course, there are those who claim the sponge on a stick soaked in vinegar was really a xylosphongium. It provides a good explanation of why there would be a sponge on a stick available. Well, Gods footnotes are more reliable than human footnotes .
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Post by Hmmmm on Mar 7, 2016 14:40:35 GMT -5
[br John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that ALL things were now now accomplished , that the scripture might BE fulfilled, said , "I thirst". 19:29]Matthew states the vinegar was given for comfort and the verse in Psalms states the gall(poison?) and vinegar was given for the opposite reason.. [ The bread was really poison : John 19:29. .......and put it on hyssop and put it in His mouth .
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Post by Hmmmm on May 30, 2016 8:08:59 GMT -5
It is easy to understand why human beings Zealously defend what they believe.
Often the division is solved by a parting of ways, other times a heated discussion or "argument " .
Depending on the motivation(s) of those involved in the disagreement.
It does not surprise anyone that disagreements
Recon that human beings will always have wars and rumors of wars, and arguments also
This will not end . Of course imposing a mandatory government belief on everyone would fester a tremendous amount of discontent!
That will not be acceptable.
Hey, why not have some much needed discussion
about what really matters in life, hmmmm.
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Post by Hmmm on May 30, 2016 12:01:55 GMT -5
Consider the teachings that we have recorded taught by Jesus . It seems that He lived a life that was dedicated to benefit eternally, for those that would believe in eternal virtues . Hmmmm
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