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Post by Si on Nov 20, 2017 17:15:59 GMT -5
I did some research on George Wishart , a few years ago,,
He too was a hero, who was burned at stake for his Beliefs
He was an big influence on John Knox of Scotland
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Post by Si on Nov 20, 2017 17:18:14 GMT -5
I've always wondered why you sing 'Jerusalem' at Great British Sporting Victories! (have we heard it recently??) Thanks for the reminder: youtu.be/7MG27BKwjaIGreat hymn Second try
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Post by Si on Nov 20, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
I've always wondered why you sing 'Jerusalem' at Great British Sporting Victories! (have we heard it recently??) Thanks for the reminder: youtu.be/MKRHWT6xdEU r] Great hymn [ Third try!
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2017 9:31:10 GMT -5
The use of Britons for the inhabitants of Great Britain is derived from the Old French bretun, the term for the people and language of Brittany, itself derived from Latin and Greek, e.g. the Βρίττωνες of Procopius.No hebrew involved. [ Really, that’s news to all the Hebrew that settled Britain Not to the educated ones.
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Post by Si on Nov 21, 2017 10:05:16 GMT -5
[ Really, that’s news to all the Hebrew that settled Britain Not to the educated ones. Have you seen maps of ancient British isles? Called , iberi. (Hebrew) These are the Hebrew that migrated up from the Iberian peninsula I suppose names are just names
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Post by Si on Nov 21, 2017 10:15:21 GMT -5
To the Hebrew , Jerusalem is an important Part do their culture, to those following Christ. They "should" understand Jerusalem is as "symbolic". as the prophecies of it being overthrown are well Known
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Post by Si on Nov 21, 2017 10:20:26 GMT -5
Britain has always had open door to Hebrew. Because they were there from its infancy
Land of Iberi (Hebrew)
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Post by Si on Nov 21, 2017 11:14:41 GMT -5
You make a great comment about this being not “Natural blessings”. But consider what England (through its empire) has done As far as advancing the Book, and the other realms of Sciences, for a small start where their language was the 10th most spoken in the world , to where it is today... And the homeland of the faith mission! What more could we ask for? 👍 Where does Brexit fit? Ok, I give? But possibly it’s part of English politics!
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Post by Si on Nov 21, 2017 11:27:58 GMT -5
Interesting history It seems the British liked the association with the Name Brit . ( could they not control what they wished To be called? ). The use of Britons for the inhabitants of Great Britain is derived from the Old French bretun, the term for the people and language of Brittany, itself derived from Latin and Greek, e.g. the Βρίττωνες of Procopius.No hebrew involved. So what if old French had a word “Bret” or “Breton”, the Hebrews had a words, (Brit) and (ish) Hebrew could be involved by invoking “occam’s razor “
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2017 11:57:24 GMT -5
The use of Britons for the inhabitants of Great Britain is derived from the Old French bretun, the term for the people and language of Brittany, itself derived from Latin and Greek, e.g. the Βρίττωνες of Procopius.No hebrew involved. So what if old French had a word “Bret” or “Breton”, the Hebrews had a words, (Brit) and (ish) Hebrew could be involved by invoking “occam’s razor “ The great majority of their similar-sounding words are coincidental convergences such as can be found in any two languages. These words have nothing intrinsic to do with each other, as can be shown easily by using etymological analysis. Read more: forward.com/articles/2383/is-british-ish-brit/
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 14:28:29 GMT -5
Famous Scotti s (Scotland) , anscestors of Donald Trump
Then , taking a hint about Scotti, I googled , “is Trump Hebrew?” (( instead of “jew” (tribes of southern Israel) And no surprise, it seems he is related to both Jews and Hebrew ( latter being ‘Mannesah/Joseph’)
And there were many famous people that came in their Bloodline , enough to make a tribe.
Hmmm🙂
Fwiw And Iberi was a good name for this wonderful Region.
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 14:39:51 GMT -5
So what if old French had a word “Bret” or “Breton”, the Hebrews had a words, (Brit) and (ish) Hebrew could be involved by invoking “occam’s razor “ The great majority of their similar-sounding words are coincidental convergences such as can be found in any two languages. These words have nothing intrinsic to do with each other, as can be shown easily by using etymological analysis. Read more: forward.com/articles/2383/is-british-ish-brit/Ockham , rest his soul, was at worst a catholic ‘in name only’ He was British , and was a ( Covenant (Hebrew) ) that grew up in a family Of forced “converts”. Rome had a large presence in Brit(tany) The monarchs needed papal authority, up until there was Enough resistance to this , that the Kings declared their Own sovereignty. If it wasn’t for the Hebrew support. , and the help of Prophesy that Israel would become a nation again, Largely due to the persistence of the Hebrew and their friends, the Rothschilds, and their large presence in Britain ( and the world for that matter) All I have
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 15:20:15 GMT -5
Famous Scotti s (Scotland) , anscestors of Donald Trump Then , taking a hint about Scotti, I googled , “is Trump Hebrew?” (( instead of “jew” (tribes of southern Israel) And no surprise, it seems he is related to both Jews and Hebrew ( latter being ‘Mannesah/Joseph’) And there were many famous people that came in their Bloodline , enough to make a tribe. Hmmm🙂 Fwiw And Iberi was a good name for this wonderful Region. Then you get these secularists that claim Brit was derived, from Bret , ( a word with no known meaning other than a claim that it refers to people that live in a region that wishes that Bret would Be transliterated to “Brit” . Why? Maybe because “ Brit “ Refers to the covenant? Where did my friend Ohkham when I need him? 🤔😉
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 15:30:42 GMT -5
Perhaps the brits , liked the French designation of Bret, but In order for that to be accomplished, they wanted it To be more British , as Bretish didn’t make any sense to the British?
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Post by Jerusalem on Nov 22, 2017 17:56:52 GMT -5
This anthem of British poet , William Blake (Jerusalem) Written about 1815? , gives his desire that Britain would be “Jerusalem” , in a very meaningful prose that inspires
much of the British (or Bretish) even today, as this hymn Is still inspiring even to us in America,.
God save the Queen
Cheers. 🙂
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 18:03:30 GMT -5
Instead of picking brits that no one has heard of
I decided to go with another famous , from Liverpool
And .., yes Paul McCartney is Jewish, as were his 2 wives
(Just Google : is Paul McCartney Hebrew)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:06:40 GMT -5
Instead of picking brits that no one has heard of I decided to go with another famous , from Liverpool And .., yes Paul McCartney is Jewish, as were his 2 wives (Just Google : is Paul McCartney Hebrew) Check your sources for reliability. Paul McCartney has had 3 wives. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 22, 2017 18:16:34 GMT -5
Wow! So, -commonman, so, si have taken on yet another moniker, -Jerusalem!
You guys must have a great dialog amongst yourselves! Are you able to enlighten one another?
Be careful talking to one another in public though.
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Post by Famous Brits on Nov 22, 2017 18:23:01 GMT -5
Didn’t know this?
John Lennon is quoted, “ show business is just an extension Of the Jewish religion “. But , hey, what could Mr Lennon Possibly know about either of those subjects? Hmmm
Ok. Fwiw. John Lennon had a son , named Julian(Jules), who Paul had Grown to care about (as John became increasingly Involved with yoko ono)
Paul wrote a song for his friend “Jules” , and it was a big Hit. Named. : “Hey Jude “
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Post by Common on Nov 22, 2017 18:35:59 GMT -5
Instead of picking brits that no one has heard of I decided to go with another famous , from Liverpool And .., yes Paul McCartney is Jewish, as were his 2 wives (Just Google : is Paul McCartney Hebrew) Check your sources for reliability. Paul McCartney has had 3 wives. Matt10 Nothing wrong with the source, Linda Eastman , first. And Nancy Shevell , third Not sure about Heather?
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Post by Subnames on Nov 22, 2017 18:39:13 GMT -5
Wow! So, -commonman, so, si have taken on yet another moniker, -Jerusalem!
You guys must have a great dialog amongst yourselves! Are you able to enlighten one another?
Be careful talking to one another in public though. I call them sub names, they do enlighten many!
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Post by snow on Nov 22, 2017 20:45:33 GMT -5
Wow! So, -commonman, so, si have taken on yet another moniker, -Jerusalem!
You guys must have a great dialog amongst yourselves! Are you able to enlighten one another?
Be careful talking to one another in public though. I call them sub names, they do enlighten many! Sounds more like a bot talking to itself.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 22, 2017 21:23:13 GMT -5
About the poem/song called "Jerusalem" by Blake, -the beginning lines do NOT make a statement! It asked a question.
There is NOTHING that claims any early Jewish people helped settle Great Britain!
The poem/song is really just ASKING a question as to whether it had happened as yet!
If it hadn't been done already the author states that it WILL be done and names toils to accomplish it
It does NOT claim that any Jewish people were already there even at the time of Jesus, -let alone at the beginning of the settlement of Great Britain. And did those feet in ancient times Walk upon England's mountains green: And was the holy Lamb of God, On England's pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine, Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here, Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold; Bring me my Arrows of desire: Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold! Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight, Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand: Till we have built Jerusalem, In England's green & pleasant Land.
Beneath the poem Blake inscribed a quotation from the Bible:
"Would to God that all the Lords people were Prophets" Numbers XI.ch 29.v[6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time
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Post by Commonman on Nov 22, 2017 22:37:53 GMT -5
So what if old French had a word “Bret” or “Breton”, the Hebrews had a words, (Brit) and (ish) Hebrew could be involved by invoking “occam’s razor “ The great majority of their similar-sounding words are coincidental convergences such as can be found in any two languages. These words have nothing intrinsic to do with each other, as can be shown easily by using etymological analysis. Read more: forward.com/articles/2383/is-british-ish-brit/Please offer better sources than a source that adds a Disclaimer at the trail end.. sorry , no go for me 😉
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Post by Bot ✌️ on Nov 22, 2017 23:13:50 GMT -5
About the poem/song called "Jerusalem" by Blake, -the beginning lines do NOT make a statement! It asked a question.
There is NOTHING that claims any early Jewish people helped settle Great Britain!
The poem/song is really just ASKING a question as to whether it had happened as yet!
If it hadn't been done already the author states that it WILL be done and names toils to accomplish it
It does NOT claim that any Jewish people were already there even at the time of Jesus, -let alone at the beginning of the settlement of Great Britain. And did those feet in ancient times Walk upon England's mountains green: And was the holy Lamb of God, On England's pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine, Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here, Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold; Bring me my Arrows of desire: Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold! Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight, Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand: Till we have built Jerusalem, In England's green & pleasant Land.
Beneath the poem Blake inscribed a quotation from the Bible:
"Would to God that all the Lords people were Prophets" Numbers XI.ch 29.v[6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time
William Blake was Hebrew He wrote from the prospective of the Hebrew He wanted Jerusalem to be built in Britain Jesus may have traveled (according to Blake’s poem) to Britain, but it wouldn’t have been to go sightseeing, But to visit the lost Hebrew tribes that had already Assembled there.
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Post by ✌️ on Nov 22, 2017 23:17:58 GMT -5
And the land was known as : Ibira = Hebrew
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 23, 2017 1:11:01 GMT -5
About the poem/song called "Jerusalem" by Blake, -the beginning lines do NOT make a statement! It asked a question.
There is NOTHING that claims any early Jewish people helped settle Great Britain!
The poem/song is really just ASKING a question as to whether it had happened as yet!
If it hadn't been done already the author states that it WILL be done and names toils to accomplish it
It does NOT claim that any Jewish people were already there even at the time of Jesus, -let alone at the beginning of the settlement of Great Britain. And did those feet in ancient times Walk upon England's mountains green: And was the holy Lamb of God, On England's pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine, Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here, Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold; Bring me my Arrows of desire: Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold! Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight, Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand: Till we have built Jerusalem, In England's green & pleasant Land.
Beneath the poem Blake inscribed a quotation from the Bible:
"Would to God that all the Lords people were Prophets" Numbers XI.ch 29.v[6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time
William Blake was Hebrew He wrote from the prospective of the Hebrew He wanted Jerusalem to be built in Britain Jesus may have traveled (according to Blake’s poem) to Britain, but it wouldn’t have been to go sightseeing, But to visit the lost Hebrew tribes that had already Assembled there. What alternate universe do you guys live in?
Where are getting this ridiculous idea that William Blake was Hebrew?
I have begun to think all you want is attention and therefore all these crazy ideas. (too bad it seems to be working)Two of William Blake’s greatest patrons were clergymen in the Church of England, under whose rites he was christened, married and buried.
Read more: forward.com/culture/120109/did-william-blake-know-hebrew/
Blake mocks Judaism by invoking a stereotype about the Jewish proboscis--"I always thought Jesus Christ was a Snubby or I should not have worship'd him, if I had thought he had been one of those long spindle nosed rascals"--
Blake's most hostile remarks about Jews, in fact, appear where the public presumably was not to be invited.
In his works intended for the public, he is more subtle, or at least more obscure,- which might explain how Blake's seeming anti-Semitism has managed to fly under critical radar.
Blake's references to Judaism, including most of his more virulent anti-Jewish remarks, are directed not at Judaism but at other targets such as deism and organized religion.
The Question of Blake's Hostility Toward the Jews. Available from: www.researchgate.net/publication/236808818_The_Question_of_Blake's_Hostility_Toward_the_Jews [accessed Nov 22 2017].
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 1:25:51 GMT -5
William Blake was Hebrew He wrote from the prospective of the Hebrew He wanted Jerusalem to be built in Britain Jesus may have traveled (according to Blake’s poem) to Britain, but it wouldn’t have been to go sightseeing, But to visit the lost Hebrew tribes that had already Assembled there. What alternate universe do you guys live in?
Where are getting this ridiculous idea that William Blake was Hebrew?
I have begun to think all you want is attention and therefore all these crazy ideas. (too bad it seems to be working)Two of William Blake’s greatest patrons were clergymen in the Church of England, under whose rites he was christened, married and buried.
Read more: forward.com/culture/120109/did-william-blake-know-hebrew/
Blake mocks Judaism by invoking a stereotype about the Jewish proboscis--"I always thought Jesus Christ was a Snubby or I should not have worship'd him, if I had thought he had been one of those long spindle nosed rascals"--
Blake's most hostile remarks about Jews, in fact, appear where the public presumably was not to be invited.
In his works intended for the public, he is more subtle, or at least more obscure,- which might explain how Blake's seeming anti-Semitism has managed to fly under critical radar.
Blake's references to Judaism, including most of his more virulent anti-Jewish remarks, are directed not at Judaism but at other targets such as deism and organized religion.
The Question of Blake's Hostility Toward the Jews. Available from: www.researchgate.net/publication/236808818_The_Question_of_Blake's_Hostility_Toward_the_Jews [accessed Nov 22 2017].ummmm i have a friend thats jewish but christian i also have a friend thats jewish but an atheist just becuase they are jews doesn't mean they can't affiliate with other beliefs it also doesn't mean they wont be hostile to judaism either...
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