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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 9:44:43 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone. Try doing this to your parent's cell phone or some old person's cell phone in the meetings. 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else. Memorize a prayer from The Book of Common Prayer. 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to (not for) the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones. 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. It's very important that you be a good kid in all other things. Get high marks in school, be nice to your parents, don't fight with your sisters and brothers, etc. Be good, and save your strength for making meetings a complete circus. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to the Police & Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. And remember to tell the social worker that your parents invite and let the workers/pedophiles sleep in your home. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. www.spiritualabuse.org/introduction.html
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2015 10:19:50 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. My personal thoughts are, this is bad advise. I wouldn't do anything like this unless your parents are breaking some law. The 2x2 way isn't much crazier than many other sects. Better to be passive and not participate in meetings, or not go at all, if that's an option for you. Until you become an adult, and are able to support yourself, you will have to endure many things in life until you can choose differently. Point 15) is not always the case. You need to live by their rules, and bide your time until you can make your own choices, unless laws are being broken. JMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 10:36:44 GMT -5
My personal thoughts are, this is bad advise. I wouldn't do anything like this unless your parents are breaking some law. The 2x2 way isn't much crazier than many other sects. Better to be passive and not participate in meetings, or not go at all, if that's an option for you. Until you become an adult, and are able to support yourself, you will have to endure many things in life until you can choose differently. Point 15) is not always the case. You need to live by their rules, and bide your time until you can make your own choices, unless laws are being broken. JMT Just because there are crazier cults than 2x2ism, doesn't mean 2x2ism is good. It's not. You should not be in any cult, no matter how 'just a little bit crazy' it is. If you just want to get yourself out of 2x2ism, you can just sit quietly and wait it out until you can support yourself and leave your parents home. That's actually pretty hard to do. You parents are going to put pressure on you in all sorts of evil ways. And anyways, don't you love your parents? Don't you want to see your parents escape from this cult also? Yes, you probably do. But your parents don't know how to escape on their own, or else they would have done it already. So you have to help them. And the best way you can help them is to make it difficult for them with the workers.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2015 10:56:09 GMT -5
My personal thoughts are, this is bad advise. I wouldn't do anything like this unless your parents are breaking some law. The 2x2 way isn't much crazier than many other sects. Better to be passive and not participate in meetings, or not go at all, if that's an option for you. Until you become an adult, and are able to support yourself, you will have to endure many things in life until you can choose differently. Point 15) is not always the case. You need to live by their rules, and bide your time until you can make your own choices, unless laws are being broken. JMT Just because there are crazier cults than 2x2ism, doesn't mean 2x2ism is good. It's not. You should not be in any cult, no matter how 'just a little bit crazy' it is. If you just want to get yourself out of 2x2ism, you can just sit quietly and wait it out until you can support yourself and leave your parents home. That's actually pretty hard to do. You parents are going to put pressure on you in all sorts of evil ways. And anyways, don't you love your parents? Don't you want to see your parents escape from this cult also? Yes, you probably do. But your parents don't know how to escape on their own, or else they would have done it already. So you have to help them. And the best way you can help them is to make it difficult for them with the workers. I agree 2x2 is not healthy, at least at the end it was not for me. Are the 2x2 a cult? That's a problematic label. Myself, I prefer none be superstitious religious, but I don't think that will ever happen. My approach would be to take a much less family disruptive approach, and use reason with your parents. How about first having your bible study on Wed and have a family TMB topic study on Thursday night?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 11:06:45 GMT -5
I agree 2x2 is not healthy, at least at the end it was not for me. Are the 2x2 a cult? That's a problematic label. Myself, I prefer none be superstitious religious, but I don't think will ever happen either. My approach would be to take a much less family disruptive approach, and use reason with your parents. How about first having your bible study on Wed and have a family TMB topic study on Thursday night? A cult is any group which sets itself apart from the greater society by using methods of control over its members. Overseers enforce power over workers. Workers enforce power over Friends. In a normal church, the priests do not single out members of the congregation and tell them to 'do this or we are going to shun you'. That's cult behavior. In normal churches, people are welcome to attend services no matter what they do in their private lives. In a normal church No one says anything disapproving if you miss services. No priest can stop you from participating in the service. Heck, you don't even have to be a member of that particular church in order to participate. 2x2s are exclusive and they enforce their exclusivity with shunning and other tactics. 2x2s are a very unhealthy cult. People who are in cults are people who have something wrong with their psychology - mostly they have a deep need to feel special, to be part of the special team. Cults take advantage of this. You cannot reason with people like this. It is a physiological problem. If reasoning was the solution, every 2x2 who read the 4 canonical Gospels would immediately see that Jesus didn't send the apostles to the Gentiles in pairs. If you can't read the Bible and figure out that the 2x2s are incorrect, then what hope is there to reason with someone like that.
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Post by Lee on Nov 5, 2015 11:23:57 GMT -5
I polarized against 2x2ism along similar lines 12 years ago. Since that time I've realized the extent to which the whole world suffers theologically in terms of its practices and doctrines. I would advise anyone seeking refuge from tyranny, be it 2x2ism or any other, to "have it out for themselves" with the Bible by a full reading of it, considering this literary compilation of religious history and ones private communion with the holy spirit to be an exhaustive source (and therefore authoritative) source of inspiration.
Your suggestions offer ways to "break out" of 2x2ism, which is an essential part of de-conditioning the mind from a conditioned "lock". The goal is not to leave the fire for a frying pan but to embrace what is actually good, true, and beautiful. This is a quest that took JC to his death, and not one to take lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 11:43:59 GMT -5
Your suggestions offer ways to "break out" of 2x2ism, which is an essential part of de-conditioning the mind from a conditioned "lock". The goal is not to leave the fire for a frying pan but to embrace what is actually good, true, and beautiful. This is a quest that took JC to his death, and not one to take lightly. You are so correct, Lee. To avoid the false choice that 2x2ism creates: 2x2ism or atheism. That's a false choice. 2x2ism is not Christianity, it's an aberration. A heresy. A cult. Folks need to break free of 2x2ism, and then take their strong Faith in God to another fellowship of Believers. Many normal churches offer this. Just avoid any group which says it is the Only Way.
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Post by Child of God on Nov 5, 2015 12:10:32 GMT -5
If I remember the Bible says as a commandment that we need to honor our parents. Don't think anything about the OP is respectful, therefor in someways it is teaching and leading to evil... I would be careful in doing something like that.
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Post by jondough on Nov 5, 2015 12:23:25 GMT -5
Simpleton,
I don't use the term "Bitter ex" much because I hate the sound of it. I think its kind of derogatory. That being said, you seem to be bitter. Is there a reason you have some sort of vendetta. Did you have a bitter experience? It must be more than just the fact that you were raised in this.
I would be more interested in your personal experience that causes you to post the way you do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 12:24:46 GMT -5
If I remember the Bible says as a commandment that we need to honor our parents. Don't think anything about the OP is respectful, therefor in someways it is teaching and leading to evil... I would be careful in doing something like that. Honoring your parents is about helping them get free of a cult. I don't know what could be more honorable. If your parents were going to slaughter you like a lamb for their cult idea, do you obey the Ten Commandments and let them even though they are completely nuts? No. You have a duty to help them. That is what honoring your parents means.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -5
Simpleton, I don't use the term "Bitter ex" much because I hate the sound of it. I think its kind of derogatory. That being said, you seem to be bitter. Is there a reason you have some sort of vendetta. Did you have a bitter experience? It must be more than just the fact that you were raised in this. I would be more interested in your personal experience that causes you to post the way you do. I'm not bitter in the least. I only want to help people get themselves out of a cult. Cult are extremely difficult to get out of. There are many many people who have died because of being in some crazy cults. It's very important that people be aware of cults, and not support them in any way. Even small support for cults, keep the cults alive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 13:28:56 GMT -5
Yeah, you don't seem bitter at all. Such a noble mission you are on. Thanks honestabe. I'm not really on a mission. I'll leave this board soon. There isn't much here of interest. Just thought I would pop in and offer some help to anyone who might need it.
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Post by Grant on Nov 5, 2015 13:40:39 GMT -5
Rebellion against parents leads to rebellion against society, simpleton. Bad advice. God said honor your mother and father.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 13:47:25 GMT -5
Rebellion against parents leads to rebellion against society, simpleton. Bad advice. God said honor your mother and father. No it does not. Children are being innocently indoctrinated into cults. That is pure evil. Cults are rebellious against society. God said honor thy parents. God did not say to be obedient to them. It's a big difference. Honor is not obedience. Honor can be obedience, but only if the parent is reasonable. If a parent is trying to indoctrinate a child into a cult, that is not reasonable.
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Post by Grant on Nov 5, 2015 13:53:19 GMT -5
I disagree. The home is our first learning ground. Rebellion against parents does spread to rebellion against society. For some reason the words love is the key comes to mind. Your posts lack love.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 13:58:22 GMT -5
I disagree. The home is our first learning ground. Rebellion against parents does spread to rebellion against society. For some reason the words love is the key comes to mind. Your posts lack love. How can you expect a child to be so loving as to put their own head into the guillotine for a parent's own stupid ideas? That's the height of 2x2 madness. If a child truly loves their parents, they will try to help their parents escape from the 2x2 cult. Your parents will thank you for the rest of your life. I know many parents that are eternally grateful to their children for helping them escape 2x2ism. Remember the 2 kids who committed suicide because of the pressure their 2x2 parents were putting on them. That's the type of abuse that 2x2 parents will do. If you are kid that feels suicidal about the 2x2 pressure, then use the tactics I showed you. You can fight back. You can help your parents. You are not helpless. You parents are wrong.
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Post by Grant on Nov 5, 2015 14:02:17 GMT -5
We are talking about kids here, not adults.
There's more than the kids just not wanting to go to convention here. Kids not wanting to go to convention is not the only reason kids commit suicide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 14:13:07 GMT -5
We are talking about kids here, not adults. There's more than the kids just not wanting to go to convention here. Kids not wanting to go to convention is not the only reason kids commit suicide. Uh yeah....those kids wrote a note detailing that it was exactly the 2x2 nonsense which made them feel trapped and commit suicide. You can't wash away the facts.
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Post by jondough on Nov 5, 2015 14:24:18 GMT -5
Simple
You are taking an extreme and attempting to portray it as the norm.
Its the same thing people try to do with the CSA issues....They are extreme. They are evil. They have been dealt with incorrectly. But they do not define us. They are NOT the norm, and you cannot take these extreme situations and try to convince anyone that this is what we are.
These kids parents were most likely extreme parents demanding extreme conformity to something of their own ideas. I can tell you that my kids are the most well balanced kids you'll ever meet, and they don't at all feel trapped. So much so that my daughters volleyball team-mate now wants to come over EVERY Wednesday night and spend the night just so she can go to meeting with us. Last night it didn't work out, and she was really bummed. We promised her she could come next Wednesday.
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Post by howitis on Nov 5, 2015 14:26:05 GMT -5
So @simpleton, which fruits of the Spirit are being used when carrying out the activities of the OP in this one??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 14:33:10 GMT -5
Simple You are taking an extreme and attempting to portray it as the norm. Its the same thing people try to do with the CSA issues....They are extreme. They are evil. They have been dealt with incorrectly. But they do not define us. They are NOT the norm, and you cannot take these extreme situations and try to convince anyone that this is what we are. These kids parents were most likely extreme parents demanding extreme conformity to something of their own ideas. I can tell you that my kids are the most well balanced kids you'll ever meet, and they don't at all feel trapped. So much so that my daughters volleyball team-mate now wants to come over EVERY Wednesday night and spend the night just so she can go to meeting with us. Last night it didn't work out, and she was really bummed. We promised her she could come next Wednesday. If 2x2ism preaches exclusivity (which very much is the 2x2 doctrine), then 2x2ism is a cult. A very unhealthy cult. If you personally do not agree with the exclusivity doctrine, then you are not the norm in 2x2ism. Perhaps some day 2x2ism will reform to non-exclusivity doctrine, but until that day it remains a cult. If you are the missionaries inside 2x2ism to reform it, great. But you could just as easily join an already reformed institution (one of the thousands of existing churches), there is no need to be a martyr to try to rescue 2x2ism to turn it into something normal.
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 5, 2015 17:20:15 GMT -5
I think that it is pretty widely accepted these days that the human brain does not reach full maturity until at least the mid-20s.
The people who have posted the part about honoring your mother and father are not wrong, IMO.
If I was given the choice, I would choose my parents and my growing up conditions any day, over, say, being born a Muslim, or a Duggar.
A number of years ago I came across a quote to the effect (and I have endlessly kicked myself that I didn’t explicitly note the source): “It is a good thing to be born into a religion; it is a terrible thing to die in one.”
I believe this.
I think it is a significant “growing up” milestone where you can say (regarding your parents) “They did the best they could, with what they knew, and who they were.”
Everybody has their “Stuff” – including my (Catholic) husband and my (Catholic) best friend. It is no better or no worse than anything I experienced in 2X2ism.
There is a point (unless you are very young or very damaged) that any decisions about beliefs or who you are or how you show up here – are yours alone. Your choice, whether you choose to see this or not.
You survived. You are still alive. Deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 17:56:02 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. ah your true colors show themselves...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2015 18:40:49 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. Except instead of the the 2x2 fellowship, -if your parents are in the Roman Catholic Church, and you are attending the mass, follow these directions:
1) during the liturgy when responses are indicated , don't stand & repeat with the others the response but wait until the congregation is sitting and the priest is speaking, then stand up & repeat the response while HE (never SHE of course) is speaking.
2) start reading aloud Leviticus 20:13 while the priest is celebrating the mass.
3) Take the 'wafer' from the hand of the priest instead of allowing HIM (never HER of course) to put it into your mouth; then instead of swallowing it drop it on the floor.
4) take the grape juice out of the priests hand & drink nearly all of it
5) Set cell phone alarm to go off during mass with a loud pentecostal ringtone
6) Refuse to mix with the Catholic kids at your Catholic school. In fact, refuse to study or do any homework from your Catholic school until your parents stop making you got to a Catholic school & allow you to go to a public school or some other religious school.
7) During Mass, say a lot of lots of very loud ‘Amen’s. 8) Pray for the Priests. Name some of them specifically. "Father . ...," specially pedophile ones.
9) take off your cross, and play catch with it, throw it up in the air & catch it. See how many time you can do this with out it falling on the floor.
10) Always remember that priests are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters.
Actually, I am not advocating any of the above actions. I am a atheist but I do understand others need for their religious beliefs & emblems.
To act in such a manner as that & the way MR. Simpleton advocated is simply childish, demeaning of other people & irresponsible. It is NOT acting like an adult, and as an adult that MR. Simpleton claims to be, it certainly isn't very good advise for an adult to give a child.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2015 18:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah, you don't seem bitter at all. Such a noble mission you are on. Thanks honestabe. I'm not really on a mission. I'll leave this board soon. There isn't much here of interest. Just thought I would pop in and offer some help to anyone who might need it. Oh, -kind Sir! How very generous of you!
To take the time to lend us poor folk so much of your wisdom; your intelligence, your ability to see so much farther & higher above our own inability.
Please do not leave us so soon!
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Post by maryhig on Nov 5, 2015 19:04:09 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. Simpleton, you say you believe in God but there is nothing Godly about this post, or many of your others. One from of your list (above) strikes me as really unbelievable, telling people to set their phone to ring during prayer time. Why? This is a time when we close our eyes to the world and open our hearts to God. When we pray for others who are suffering, ask for strength that we may need to get is through and thank him for our blessings (in our meeting anyway) how could you say that you believe in God yet say something so bad? And that goes for telling anyone, in any church to do these things! Number 8, ask for hymn 666 the number of the beast?... This is terrible! If you truly believe, then you seriously need to go to God, and pray and ask him to guide you. Because those things you have written above, aren't from God. It's wrong to be underhand and its wrong to be deceitful, it's wrong to teach a child to rebel in this way and its not Godly to say the things that you've been saying on this site. I saw on another thread where you have ways of how to turn your partner against their church by bringing them and surrounding then with "nice" people from other churches. If you truly believe you are following the right way, then the strength of the spirit in your heart would be teaching your partner the right way. You wouldn't have to deceive them, or be underhand. Christ by the spirit within your heart would give you what to say to your partner. Gods spirit within would bring them. They wouldn't have to deceive them in any way they would attend their partners church willingly because they would see the spirit of God in them. And we have to follow what we believe in our hearts willingly. Not be tricked or forced into anything. It's not being around nice people. It's bringing those who you love the truth in God and letting his spirit live through you so that they see Christ in your life. And it will be through the spirit of Christ that you will bring those you love to God. Not by the deceptive heart of man. Deceitfulness is from Satan!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:21:51 GMT -5
Simpleton, I don't use the term "Bitter ex" much because I hate the sound of it. I think its kind of derogatory. That being said, you seem to be bitter. Is there a reason you have some sort of vendetta. Did you have a bitter experience? It must be more than just the fact that you were raised in this. I would be more interested in your personal experience that causes you to post the way you do. I'm not bitter in the least. I only want to help people get themselves out of a cult. Cult are extremely difficult to get out of. Wanting to help people is an honourable aspiration. However I would suggest that anyone who feels the need to post 105 times in 3 days on the subject of a minority religion is the type of person I'd be advising someone seeking help to get out of a cult to stay away from. Matt10
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Post by joanna on Nov 5, 2015 19:35:26 GMT -5
"...However I would suggest that anyone who feels the need to post 105 times in 3 days on the subject of a minority religion is the type of person I'd be advising someone seeking help to get out of a cult to stay away from"
Agree @matt10. Am entirely sceptical about an altruistic intent. Believe it is time for admin to step in. This sort of incitement will have more harmful consequences.
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