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Post by xna on Nov 2, 2015 20:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:44:35 GMT -5
And "back then" that Genesis verse about birds coming out of the ocean was like explaining an iPhone. And Earth being an oceanic planet was like explaining an iPhone. And Jacob telling his sons they would would create a nation that would only last till the Messiah came was like explaining an iPhone. And the Jews returning to their homeland in the last days, when they hadn't even left it was like explaining an iPhone. Sticking with the creation myth stuff 'Back then', they had no concept of what an ocean even was. Not a single person in those writings had ever been near an ocean. The closest ocean was the Indian Ocean. Imagine explaining an ocean to the desert landlocked Egyptians. Of course you are confused and move on to throwing in some barely historical stuff "A nation that would last until the Messiah came" Do you know what the Messiah was? It certainly was not a Divinity. The Messiah was a King who would create an independent kingdom for these jews who lived at the crossroads of great civilizations which ran them over frequently, raping their women and killing their men.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:46:31 GMT -5
A sea and an ocean: Made no difference to those of the Mediterranean - you can't see to the other side of either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:51:43 GMT -5
A sea and an ocean: Made no difference to those of the Mediterranean - you can't see to the other side of either. Ever been on the Mare Nostrum? It's nothing like an ocean. It very calm, there are islands everywhere. It's basically a collection of archipelagos. So yeah in those times, the folks in the Levant had easily traveled the eastern portion of the Mare Nostrum and certainly would not think that it was endless expanse as an ocean would be.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2015 20:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 3, 2015 0:11:36 GMT -5
The Lenape tribe's creation account:
Clearly this is even more impressive. It gives a marvelous vision of how continents arose from an oceanic planet. Plant life emerged first, and then animal life followed from the plant life. The Great Tree in the "middle of the earth" is obviously a reference to how the majority of life, including humanity came out of the tropics. Furthermore, a rounded shape of the turtle corresponds gives us an image of the curvature of the earth. Finally, turtles move! Slowly but they move. Science was only starting to serious consider continental drift and plate tectonics in the late 19th century.
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Post by rational on Nov 3, 2015 8:37:08 GMT -5
I used to read Genesis' account of a dark and oceanic Earth as I grew up. I found myself able to reconcile the evolution part because Genesis said the seas brought forth life (including birds) etc. but not this oceanic Earth. Until the news in about 2005 of a breakthrough in geology which gave scientists an insight into the first few million years of Earth's history - and it was "a lot of water." So!!!! And, by way of example, did someone write Genesis after 2005? You seem to be missing the point that there is no one but you saying that the earth was created covered with water as stated in Genesis. And no one is arguing that at one point there was only 5%-10% dry land instead of about 30% as there is now. You seem to have accepted the story as true because a water covered earth is mentioned but ignore the formation of the earth before the formation of the sun.
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2015 10:47:48 GMT -5
The point of any creation myth is to establish the concept of creation and the assumption of meaning. The account in Genesis can be summarized by two further points: 1) We were born male and female and bear offspring that way. 2) The consequences of our choices are subject to good and evil.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2015 14:58:34 GMT -5
The point of any creation myth is to establish the concept of creation and the assumption of meaning. The account in Genesis can be summarized by two further points: 1) We were born male and female and bear offspring that way. 2) The consequences of our choices are subject to good and evil. Oh my!
God must be weeping at such a brief, completely inadequate summary of all of HIS efforts spent for a whole week! (well not a whole week, of course, just six days)
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2015 2:31:21 GMT -5
True! Articulating creation by the days of the week conveys intention and recognizes order.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 4, 2015 3:50:05 GMT -5
True! Articulating creation by the days of the week conveys intention and recognizes order. Don't think that you got the sarcasm , Lee.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 4, 2015 4:01:22 GMT -5
The point of any creation myth is to establish the concept of creation and the assumption of meaning. The account in Genesis can be summarized by two further points: 1) We were born male and female and bear offspring that way. 2) The consequences of our choices are subject to good and evil. What, pray tell, describes the consequences of good and ill in the creation story? God said the creation was "good".
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 4, 2015 4:02:33 GMT -5
True! Articulating creation by the days of the week conveys intention and recognizes order. That's just your own version of one of God's HIGH thoughts, Lee.
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Post by Lee on Nov 7, 2015 12:02:39 GMT -5
The point of any creation myth is to establish the concept of creation and the assumption of meaning. The account in Genesis can be summarized by two further points: 1) We were born male and female and bear offspring that way. 2) The consequences of our choices are subject to good and evil. What, pray tell, describes the consequences of good and ill in the creation story? God said the creation was "good". link
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Post by Lee on Nov 7, 2015 12:05:49 GMT -5
True! Articulating creation by the days of the week conveys intention and recognizes order. That's just your own version of one of God's HIGH thoughts, Lee. Like every good 2x2, post 2x2 or not, your thought processes are indefeasibly, sectarian.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 7, 2015 17:59:43 GMT -5
What, pray tell, describes the consequences of good and ill in the creation story? God said the creation was "good". link From the "smaller" box.
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Post by xna on Nov 11, 2015 8:25:44 GMT -5
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