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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 16, 2015 1:05:34 GMT -5
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 16, 2015 1:09:00 GMT -5
I won't get any PC points, but here is what I think: Every creature of God has it's place... V V V V V Right next to the potatoes and gravy on my plate. Yeah, this might be a little bit funny. But the questions joanna poses are not, and they bring into question our most basic humanity. I don't have the answers, but I respect the questions she poses.
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Post by howitis on Nov 16, 2015 1:09:11 GMT -5
I'm sure joanna answered your question Roselyn T. Don't red belly blacks kill eastern browns?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 16, 2015 1:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 16, 2015 1:14:24 GMT -5
At the very least, I think we consume sparingly, with reverence, and with gratitude - as part of "life's procession". There is a reason for taking a moment and giving thanks before a meal. Whether we are consuming animals or plants.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 16, 2015 1:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Nov 16, 2015 1:23:04 GMT -5
Not really sure Roselyn T, but I'm sure we were told at one of those reptile shows the red belly blacks eat the browns babies.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2015 1:33:04 GMT -5
Oh dear, curlywurlysammagee,tell me have you ever had it actually preached to you from a worker about not working on a Sunday? Yes I have. I was told I would be off to hell for doing so.
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Post by howitis on Nov 16, 2015 1:50:55 GMT -5
Wow that's a bit much curlywurlysammagee, were you a hooker or something? Nearly everyone I've ever met with in fellowship or had much to do with as far as the fellowship goes, have all had to do work on Sundays at some point, even my children and I've never been told it was that cut and dried....oh dear perhaps I'm off to hell after all!!
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Post by Annan on Nov 16, 2015 10:01:16 GMT -5
Growing up my siblings and I weren't allowed to do much of anything on a Sunday. Even playing outside was forbidden. No noise. No activity. A day to reflect and think about God.
As to occupations forbidden to professing folk, the rule of thumb is no to anything that might bring attention to oneself. I wasn't allowed to play sports in school or be a cheerleader. Cheerleader short skirts were a serious no no! It seemed that higher education of any sort was frowned upon.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2015 14:00:37 GMT -5
I had several lectures on working on a Sunday and choosing occupations that required that. When I pointed out that Ngaere convention was on a dairy farm and the professing owners milked the cows on a Sunday I was told that was different. Asking for an explanation of why it was different got the reply that I had a bad spirit and should pray about it. The workers choose to be very two faced about this. Jesus would have called them hypocrites.
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Post by fixit on Nov 16, 2015 18:00:15 GMT -5
I had several lectures on working on a Sunday and choosing occupations that required that. When I pointed out that Ngaere convention was on a dairy farm and the professing owners milked the cows on a Sunday I was told that was different. Asking for an explanation of why it was different got the reply that I had a bad spirit and should pray about it. The workers choose to be very two faced about this. Jesus would have called them hypocrites. I'd like to think workers today are wiser than to classify such a question as a "bad spirit".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2015 18:31:47 GMT -5
The lack of wisdom showed when they brought the subject up.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 16, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
Sorry Roselyn, it would be easier for you to do your own research. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping you are not posing this most common of questions for a 'trolling' type exercise. It is a vegan cliche " give me a dime for the number of times I've been asked the same Q's you are asking and I'd retire" Here is a link which will help you: Avoiding cruel behaviors joanna, is there a reason you don't want to answer the question "Are you a Vegan" ?
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Post by howitis on Nov 17, 2015 1:06:54 GMT -5
I know it's none of my business Roselyn T, but is there a particular reason you feel you need to know what type of food joanna consumes?
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Post by joanna on Nov 17, 2015 2:10:41 GMT -5
Roselyn T When children ask so many questions that they overlook the answers, it is to their advantage to set them an exercise to find their own. Have fun locating the answer which is already hidden above As for snakes: my partner catches them and we relocate them. We also have poisonous ones visit our block. They are timid until provoked but are vital to maintaining the natural balance and control some of the other animals which you are concerned about. As with an imminent attack by a human or non human animal, self-defence may result in harm to the attacker. Dairy farming relies on humans who are weaned off their own species' milk then taking the milk intended for the babies of another mammal. Breeding animals to breed animals and then removing their babies results in horribly cruel practices which the dairy industry successfully covers with a facade of happy cows in daisy covered meadows. Dairy foods are associated with breast, prostate and bowel cancers. If you are concerned with the environment, the UN has recommended that a vegan lifestyle is a necessary strategy to preserve our planet's ecosystem. Farming crops for animals for humans drains resources whereas farming crops directly for human consumption minimises them. The cliche regarding a vegan/cruelty-free lifestyle is "for the planet, for your health and for other animals". protecting kangaroosThe answers to any further questions are sure to be found via a quick google or google scholar search.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 17, 2015 3:06:32 GMT -5
As I thought, joanna rather than just say yes "I am a Vegan" you skirt around the issue ! Do you live in Australia ? I am well aware of what happens on a dairy farm, considering I was raised on one. As to the link on kangaroos .... from an Animal Liberation group ! Have you ever spoken to an actual farmer in Australia who has problems with kangaroo's destroying crops ? As far as saying number of roo's are dropping .... biggest load of rubbish, the next thing Animals Australia will be saying is that the number of rabbits are declining ! Why are you re-locating snakes ? I though it said on the PETA site to leave them in your garden? What was it that was included in the description of a "Cult" ? www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-exposed/veganism.htm
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2015 4:03:54 GMT -5
As I thought, joanna rather than just say yes "I am a Vegan" you skirt around the issue ! Do you live in Australia ? I am well aware of what happens on a dairy farm, considering I was raised on one. As to the link on kangaroos .... from an Animal Liberation group! Have you ever spoken to an actual farmer in Australia who has problems with kangaroo's destroying crops ? As far as saying number of roo's are dropping .... biggest load of rubbish, the next thing Animals Australia will be saying is that the number of rabbits are declining ! Why are you re-locating snakes ? I though it said on the PETA site to leave them in your garden? What was it that was included in the description of a "Cult" ? www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-exposed/veganism.htm When I went to that site called The Path Of Truth a Ministry by someone named Victor Hafichuk, what I read sounded far more like a cult than what he was supposed to be exposing as cults.
There is no way that I can see being a vegan is in any way comparable to a cult!
I wish that I could stick to that kind of diet. I know it has more healthy for one's self as well as more beneficial to the rest of our environment.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 17, 2015 5:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Nov 17, 2015 6:39:55 GMT -5
Dairy farming relies on humans who are weaned off their own species' milk then taking the milk intended for the babies of another mammal. Breeding animals to breed animals and then removing their babies results in horribly cruel practices which the dairy industry successfully covers with a facade of happy cows in daisy covered meadows. Dairy foods are associated with breast, prostate and bowel cancers. Interestingly, humans were originally all lactose intolerant after weaning (lactase enzyme production slowed after this time). Until there was a mutation. Us lactose intolerant people are actually the more natural ones, not the the lactose tolerant, who are mutants! Globally, lactose intolerance is still the norm (apparently about two thirds of the world's population). Lactose tolerance is far more prevalent in people of European descent.
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Post by jondough on Nov 17, 2015 8:50:29 GMT -5
Let Mufasa explain;
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 17, 2015 16:04:08 GMT -5
I think Mufasa has far more understanding than most humans do these days. (And I don't know how anyone can watch this kind of thing and still cling to some sense of exclusivity/superiority in their place in the procession of life.) The danger is to go <<shrug>> and dismiss our mindless over-consumption as "The circle of life". The point isn't that some people choose to consume meat. To my mind, that is a very personal choice. The point is that we are mindlessly consuming excessive amounts of cheap meat, and we have no awareness or concern of the unspeakable circumstances under which these animals are raised or slaughtered. There is no gratitude or thankfulness (or sense of the sacred) for our existence at the expense of other life forms. There is plenty of speculation (even evidence) that this has a detrimental effect on our own health. (It makes sense to me, and, IMO, is probably well-deserved.) As far as human bodies becoming the grass these days, I think we have mostly ensured that this does not happen (at least within normal time frames). Between embalming fluids, concrete, steel, preserved wood and burial practices, we have delayed this happening by a substantial amount. I always thought I wanted to be cremated - it seems so neat and tidy - but I have become aware in the past few years of increasing numbers of "green burials". As my fingers tap out these letters on my keyboard, I feel an increasing certainty within that this is perhaps the way to go - if you are truly (willingly) taking-your-place in the "Circle of life".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 17:27:01 GMT -5
but I have become aware in the past few years of increasing numbers of "green burials". As my fingers tap out these letters on my keyboard, I feel an increasing certainty within that this is perhaps the way to go - if you are truly (willingly) taking-your-place in the "Circle of life". Have you thought about a 'sky burial'? Also very 'green'.
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 17, 2015 17:30:26 GMT -5
but I have become aware in the past few years of increasing numbers of "green burials". As my fingers tap out these letters on my keyboard, I feel an increasing certainty within that this is perhaps the way to go - if you are truly (willingly) taking-your-place in the "Circle of life". Have you thought about a 'sky burial'? Also very 'green'. Yeah. But probably too far outside of my culture...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 17:33:42 GMT -5
Have you thought about a 'sky burial'? Also very 'green'. Yeah. But probably too far outside of my culture... I like the tree idea as well.
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 17, 2015 17:37:35 GMT -5
Yeah. But probably too far outside of my culture... I like the tree idea as well. What a cool idea.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2015 21:23:40 GMT -5
I think Mufasa has far more understanding than most humans do these days. (And I don't know how anyone can watch this kind of thing and still cling to some sense of exclusivity/superiority in their place in the procession of life.) The danger is to go <<shrug>> and dismiss our mindless over-consumption as "The circle of life". The point isn't that some people choose to consume meat. To my mind, that is a very personal choice. The point is that we are mindlessly consuming excessive amounts of cheap meat, and we have no awareness or concern of the unspeakable circumstances under which these animals are raised or slaughtered. There is no gratitude or thankfulness (or sense of the sacred) for our existence at the expense of other life forms. There is plenty of speculation (even evidence) that this has a detrimental effect on our own health. (It makes sense to me, and, IMO, is probably well-deserved.) As far as human bodies becoming the grass these days, I think we have mostly ensured that this does not happen (at least within normal time frames). Between embalming fluids, concrete, steel, preserved wood and burial practices, we have delayed this happening by a substantial amount. I always thought I wanted to be cremated - it seems so neat and tidy - but I have become aware in the past few years of increasing numbers of "green burials". As my fingers tap out these letters on my keyboard, I feel an increasing certainty within that this is perhaps the way to go - if you are truly (willingly) taking-your-place in the "Circle of life". Yes, I have thought of cremation as the best but I am thinking "green burials" sounds much better.
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Post by howitis on Nov 17, 2015 21:32:36 GMT -5
I've told my family ages ago that's how I want to be buried.
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