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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 1:45:24 GMT -5
It is not a matter of not giving credit to God for what he can do Virgo, its a matter of us as human's thinking we can discern/judge something but others can't. It's not a matter of judging them in there lives, it's a matter of knowing what a person is saying and whether it is or isn't from God. This is spiritual discernment. So in the cases that I mentioned earlier of the 2 workers that have been charged for CSA in Australia, why did it take so long for it all to come out ? After all someone should have had spiritual discernment to see that they were committing crimes ! I am sure all those that listened to them preach thought that what they spoke was from God !
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 1:47:49 GMT -5
It says in the bible that we can be given the ability to discern spirits. 1 Corinthians 12 to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. We knowing God, can be given the ability to hear the the spirit in others. Can you hear Gods spirit in another person of God through what they say? It's not just within ourselves, but God shows opens our eyes to hear the spirit in others too. I can hear it in Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John, Jude, etc. and also all those who belong to God now. Can't you? I was thinking about this last night, you said "Can you hear Gods spirit in another person of God through what they say? " Now an example to me is this: From what she posts, I would say Snow has a spirit of love for all people, now I don't know her personally, so I can only go on what she posts. Yet she doesn't believe in God. I'm not talking about how soft and kind a person is, I'm talking about hearing the spirit of God. For example, when Jesus said. Those without sin, cast the first stone, I know that's from God! Jesus was speaking with wisdom. When someone I talk to says something spiritual, If I have the spirit I will know whether its from God or not. Can you hear the spirit in Jesus in the bible? I can.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 1:47:52 GMT -5
But when a human (not God) "discerns" that another human is wrong - wouldn't that be condemning? just wondering if i mentioned anything about another human being wrong? even though Jesus and the Apostles condemned even His own people on many occasion, i wonder how they we able to do that? Paul wasn't able to discern that he and his fellows were wrong until he received the Holy Spirit and then he told them in no uncertain term so So are you now saying YOU CANNOT tell if a person has a relationship with God ? We are human Virgo, we are NOT Jesus !
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 1:50:06 GMT -5
I was thinking about this last night, you said "Can you hear Gods spirit in another person of God through what they say? " Now an example to me is this: From what she posts, I would say Snow has a spirit of love for all people, now I don't know her personally, so I can only go on what she posts. Yet she doesn't believe in God. I'm not talking about his soft and kind a person is, I'm talking about hearing the spirit of God. For example, when Jesus said. Those without sin, cast the first stone, I know that's from God! Jesus was speaking with wisdom. When someone I talk to says something spiritual, If I have the spirit I will know whether its from God or not. Can you hear the spirit in Jesus in the bible? I can. Which Bible Mary? The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 1:56:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. I'm with you on this. It really bugs me that Christian missionaries go into the territories of indigenous peoples and try to destroy their faith and belief in their gods. The missionaries often think the indigenous peoples are superstitious, uneducated and uninformed and try to destroy their belief and faith in their gods. The missionaries generally think themselves very wise and educated. It's just not on. Here's just one example. uk.ntm.org I find their arrogance offensive. These people have their own gods and their own religious teachings which are every bit as good as the Christian God and the Holy Bible. Indeed some of their creation stories are a lot more believable than the creation story in the bible. I mean that stuff about Adam's rib is so far fetched you wonder why anyone believes it. Stick with your own God I say and leave other people to theirs. I find most gods are equally useless anyway. I mean if you have your arm severed in a fight, no god has the power to be able to grow it back. Matt10
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 2:01:58 GMT -5
It's not a matter of judging them in there lives, it's a matter of knowing what a person is saying and whether it is or isn't from God. This is spiritual discernment. So in the cases that I mentioned earlier of the 2 workers that have been charged for CSA in Australia, why did it take so long for it all to come out ? After all someone should have had spiritual discernment to see that they were committing crimes ! I am sure all those that listened to them preach thought that what they spoke was from God ! I don't know much about your old church, and i don't know much about the people. (Except who I've spoken to here) But, I don't believe that anyone who is truly of God can hurt a child. They are using God as their cover. And this is sinful. Some people are good at hiding it. They can quote all the scriptures. But, just quoting scripture isn't of God. Having wisdom and understanding is. And you'll know by a persons life if they are of God. People can fool man, but you can't fool God. If we do anything to harm another, and use God as a cover, then it will come back on us. But there are people with wicked hearts everywhere, Not just in the f&w's
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 2:07:35 GMT -5
I'm not talking about his soft and kind a person is, I'm talking about hearing the spirit of God. For example, when Jesus said. Those without sin, cast the first stone, I know that's from God! Jesus was speaking with wisdom. When someone I talk to says something spiritual, If I have the spirit I will know whether its from God or not. Can you hear the spirit in Jesus in the bible? I can. Which Bible Mary? The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus. I never said that, I said can you hear the spirit in Jesus in the bible, I mean, can you hear the spirit of God in the scriptures where Jesus speaks and preaches. Can you hear God in him? I can! This is spiritual discernment, given by God. Some people don't see God in Jesus, they just see that he was a good man. I see differently. I see the Christ, the holy son of the living God. And only God can reveal this to us!
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 2:14:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. I'm with you on this. It really bugs me that Christian missionaries go into the territories of indigenous peoples and try to destroy their faith and belief in their gods. The missionaries often think the indigenous peoples are superstitious, uneducated and uninformed and try to destroy their belief and faith in their gods. The missionaries generally think themselves very wise and educated. It's just not on. Here's just one example. uk.ntm.org I find their arrogance offensive. These people have their own gods and their own religious teachings which are every bit as good as the Christian God and the Holy Bible. Indeed some of their creation stories are a lot more believable than the creation story in the bible. I mean that stuff about Adam's rib is so far fetched you wonder why anyone believes it. Stick with your own God I say and leave other people to theirs. I find most gods are equally useless anyway. I mean if you have your arm severed in a fight, no god has the power to be able to grow it back. Matt10 Adams rib? What you have just said shows me how important spiritual discernment, and wisdom and understanding is. You can't work out the bible with man's mind, it's written by people of the spirit, and those of the spirit hear Gods voice. Some are stronger than others, and we all have different gifts. But we should all have some understanding. And that about Adam means a lot more than your natural mind thinks. So does most of the bible.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 3:20:27 GMT -5
You gone quiet Virgo
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 3:21:47 GMT -5
So in the cases that I mentioned earlier of the 2 workers that have been charged for CSA in Australia, why did it take so long for it all to come out ? After all someone should have had spiritual discernment to see that they were committing crimes ! I am sure all those that listened to them preach thought that what they spoke was from God ! I don't know much about your old church, and i don't know much about the people. (Except who I've spoken to here) But, I don't believe that anyone who is truly of God can hurt a child. They are using God as their cover. And this is sinful. Some people are good at hiding it. They can quote all the scriptures. But, just quoting scripture isn't of God. Having wisdom and understanding is. And you'll know by a persons life if they are of God. People can fool man, but you can't fool God. If we do anything to harm another, and use God as a cover, then it will come back on us. But there are people with wicked hearts everywhere, Not just in the f&w's I understand all that Maryhig, but that doesn't change what happened does it ? What about all the people that professed through these workers? Where do they stand ?
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 4:25:16 GMT -5
I don't know much about your old church, and i don't know much about the people. (Except who I've spoken to here) But, I don't believe that anyone who is truly of God can hurt a child. They are using God as their cover. And this is sinful. Some people are good at hiding it. They can quote all the scriptures. But, just quoting scripture isn't of God. Having wisdom and understanding is. And you'll know by a persons life if they are of God. People can fool man, but you can't fool God. If we do anything to harm another, and use God as a cover, then it will come back on us. But there are people with wicked hearts everywhere, Not just in the f&w's I understand all that Maryhig, but that doesn't change what happened does it ? What about all the people that professed through these workers? Where do they stand ? What? It doesn't matter who you profess through, it's if you follow Jesus! He's the way. And love God with all your heart. God looks at the individual heart. Not at who you profess through.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 4:33:37 GMT -5
Maryhig, to the F&W it DOES matter who you profess through ! Why do you think people who have been raised in other churches have to go to missions & profess through the workers ! Why do you think they cannot just go to Sunday fellowship ? They have to go to a mission first !
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Post by maryhig on Aug 2, 2015 5:07:37 GMT -5
Maryhig, to the F&W it DOES matter who you profess through ! Why do you think people who have been raised in other churches have to go to missions & profess through the workers ! Why do you think they cannot just go to Sunday fellowship ? They have to go to a mission first ! Well I don't know the way the f&w's believe. I can only go by what I believe. And I believe that God judges the heart of each individual. He doesn't judge them by who they professed through. My husband and I have just opened up the bible and we have been reading about the penny a day. Where, when they were called the first people agreed to go and work for a penny. Then at the third hour, the people agreed to receive what was given them and went to work. The same in the sixth hour, and the ninth and then on the 11th hour the householder of the vineyard went out again brought them in too. And again the people waiting went in to work. And on the evening he called them in. They all received a penny for that days work. We saw that lord over the vineyard is like Christ. It's the word of God in man's hearts that calls us in. Not the man. And if we listen at the time we are called, we are blessed and receive the inheritance. And we should be glad for everyone that receives Gods kingdom. All those who were called by Christ, whenever in there lives they are brought in, are of God. The owner of the vineyard did the hiring, not the men working. They just did the work and received their reward, which is the holy spirit. And their work is to bring God to others and show them the way. God through Christ gives the reward. Only God through christ can choose his people. Not any man, no man can say who is going receive the holy spirit, and no man can know who is going to heaven. It's not theirs to give, Only God can do that and he does it through Christ!
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Post by hberry on Aug 2, 2015 10:18:04 GMT -5
I understand all that Maryhig, but that doesn't change what happened does it ? What about all the people that professed through these workers? Where do they stand ? What? It doesn't matter who you profess through, it's if you follow Jesus! He's the way. And love God with all your heart. God looks at the individual heart. Not at who you profess through. I agree: God's does the calling because "Salvation belongs to the Lord."
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Post by jondough on Aug 2, 2015 10:19:13 GMT -5
I'm just explaining what the difference between discernment and judgement means to me.
I believe that someone can make a mistake, or even have a wrong idea in their head, but still have a relationship with God. His work isn't complete in any of us. Furthermore, non of us understand it all. This is why I shouldn't judge that person even if they say something that I feel isn't of God. It doesn't mean they don't have a relationship with God. It doesn't mean they are not led by the HP. That is for God to decide, not me.
My job is to discern what is right for ME.
My job is NOT to judge OTHERS.
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Post by hberry on Aug 2, 2015 10:19:55 GMT -5
Maryhig, to the F&W it DOES matter who you profess through ! Why do you think people who have been raised in other churches have to go to missions & profess through the workers ! Why do you think they cannot just go to Sunday fellowship ? They have to go to a mission first ! MaryH can't speak to the F&W way of doing things; she isn't part of that group. Although I suppose you are just trying to let her know how that group does operate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 10:29:49 GMT -5
The older 2&2 preachers used.to teach the penny a day parable was only for and about the 2&2 work, thus they, themselves.
Once I remember a young man who went into their "work" preaching on it differently. He spoke about it being like what God offers anyone entering His service by being "born again." He openly stated everyone gets the same wage of "eternal life."
One would have thought him to be speaking "against" the workers! He left that "work" a short time thereafter.
The very thought! A younger "worker" speaking so in a "mission" meeting! Differently than the "older workers!" (Impudent whelp! And, yes, I heard him described in exactly those terms!) He's dead now... How quickly life passes.
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2015 10:49:34 GMT -5
And you are claiming I cannot do that or that I don't do that. I do treat people with kindness and I think I have the ability to forgive and do it often. I don't think I do evil to start with. If I was able to remain friends with my ex husband that was mentally and physically abusive to the point that I held his son at his second marriage and helped him financially from time to time over the years until he died, I think that shows I do forgive those that hurt me and treated them with kindness. So where is God in that mix? Firstly, i wasn't taking about you personally, why do you think i was? I even said that he has helped me do these things, why do you think that I mean't you personally. I never said you. I was speaking in general. What I mean is, God gives us the ability to overcome the things that before, we hadn't been able to do. As I said, I know because I've lived it, the more faith I have, and the more of my heart I give to God, the stronger I'm becoming and the more I'm able to overcome in my heart and in my life. We can think we're good and ok, but we all have faults, and sometimes we don't see them until they are pointed out to us. Like the rich young ruler. He went on about all the things he had done right, but Jesus knew he weakness. It was the love of money, and he showed him what was wrong in his heart. The young man didn't see it before. And Jesus himself. When he was called good master, he turned round and said, why do you call me good, there's none good but God. None of is are perfect, not one (except for Jesus) But Christ by the spirit, firstly shows us where we're wrong and gives us the strength to overcome our own weaknesses if we turn to him. As I said before, I know because I've been living it. I never once mean't anything personal about you. In fact I would put it myself way before you. Because I know God, and i know what he requires of me and I still go wrong! But now i believe that I can be held accountable for my actions. Every single one of us do wrong, not one of us is perfect. And by turning to God, I believe we get a stronger conscience and he shows us the wrong we didn't see before. As I said I know because it's happening to me. And again, all that I've written, was nothing about you personally. I was speaking in general. We were having a conversation so I thought you were talking to me. We all make mistakes, but not everyone needs God to know the difference or get the strength to do good instead of harm.
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2015 11:00:31 GMT -5
Either people believe in the bible, or they don't believe in the bible. You can't make someone believe in it, if they choose to not believe in it. Those who do believe in it receive a lot of peace from the scriptures. There are websites out there which try to disprove the bible, showing apparent contradictions. I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. Those who believe in the bible aren't persuaded by the education of the unbelievers. Believers don't need proof. They just need faith. They have an anchor to hold onto in the storm of life, and have a hope of something better than the here and now. No one has to prove the bible to another. I find it a desperate act on the part of unbelievers when they attempt to destroy the faith of a Christian (whether that Christian be a 2x2, or whatever). We may bicker about scripture on this website (between 2x2s and other Christians), but we all at least have a hope that others don't have. Christians do this all the time. They try to convert people in other religions to Christianity. Look what they did to native people the world over?
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Post by rational on Aug 2, 2015 11:15:43 GMT -5
Either people believe in the bible, or they don't believe in the bible. You can't make someone believe in it, if they choose to not believe in it. Those who do believe in it receive a lot of peace from the scriptures. There are websites out there which try to disprove the bible, showing apparent contradictions. I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. Those who believe in the bible aren't persuaded by the education of the unbelievers. Believers don't need proof. They just need faith. They have an anchor to hold onto in the storm of life, and have a hope of something better than the here and now. No one has to prove the bible to another. I find it a desperate act on the part of unbelievers when they attempt to destroy the faith of a Christian (whether that Christian be a 2x2, or whatever). We may bicker about scripture on this website (between 2x2s and other Christians), but we all at least have a hope that others don't have. If the bible cannot stand up to close scrutiny shouldn't that at least raise a question or two? As far as having hope, how do you know what hopes others have? Members of religions all have hope based on what are often contradicting beliefs. This means that some number of them have false hope. The gift of false hope is not really a gift at all.
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Post by placid-void on Aug 2, 2015 11:33:08 GMT -5
Christians do this all the time. They try to convert people in other religions to Christianity. Look what they did to native people the world over? Snow, I hope you don't mind if I jump in with yet another point of view. I would like to use the same paradigm that you use but phrase it somewhat differently, then I would be interested in your response to my rephrasing: "People do this all the time. They try to convert others with a point of view different from their own to their point of view. Look at what the native people did the world over, as they moved into new territories, they 'subverted' whatever may have been there prior to their arrival to their own needs and desires."
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2015 11:46:40 GMT -5
Christians do this all the time. They try to convert people in other religions to Christianity. Look what they did to native people the world over? Snow, I hope you don't mind if I jump in with yet another point of view. I would like to use the same paradigm that you use but phrase it somewhat differently, then I would be interested in your response to my rephrasing: "People do this all the time. They try to convert others with a point of view different from their own to their point of view. Look at what the native people did the world over, as they moved into new territories, they 'subverted' whatever may have been there prior to their arrival to their own needs and desires." I agree, everyone does it in some degree. That is the point. Christians always complain if people state their point of view, and accuse others of trying to destroy their faith and their peace but they don't stop to think about how they do the very same thing, but in their case it's okay and not considered to be destroying a faith, but rather bringing people to salvation and it doesn't destroy their peace, but rather knowing they are saved by the 'one true God', they bring them peace. I was pointing out that Christians are no different than anyone else. Because they believe they are the only true religion though, they don't see what they have done to Native people as damage, but rather salvation. I see Matt 10 has also commented on this. I don't think anyone should become an atheist. It's rather obvious that people need to believe in God or it wouldn't be happening. But when we get accused of trying to destroy their faith when we state our pov, I think it's rather ironic knowing the history of Christianity, the crusades and the inquisition. That doesn't even take in what they did to the people of North, Central and South America. But of course what would atheists know, as they 'have no hope'. From my pov I don't really see a 'strong faith' as a redeeming quality. It just means that they believe even though there is no evidence and sometimes when there are facts that they ignore because it doesn't fit their pov. It is what it is of course. But don't call non Christians on it when Christians are one of the biggest spreaders of their point of view and historically with tragic outcomes in some cases.
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Post by Brick on Aug 2, 2015 12:55:04 GMT -5
it seems like a few on here don't want to give God the credit for what He can do and just want to try work these things out in their own minds, sad really because there is so much that God can show us if we just put ourselves to one side Undoubtedly, you are probably right. The problem is that we all have varying levels of faith. Some believe God can, and is willing to do certain things, but others do not have a catalog of experiences that build faith on that particular foundation. I'm sure that I am one with the least faith, so many of your assertions seem to be a bit of nonsense to me. With that said, I have no intention of criticizing your belief, simply because I have not been through the same process of faith development as you. But getting back to the original poster's question--is the Bible inerrant? I used to think that it was one cohesive codex on how to live our lives and commune with our creator. When things didn't fit my paradigm of who or what God was, I chalked it up to my own ignorance. I asked questions. I did research. Where I am at this point in my journey is that I have formed a vague image of God in my mind from the scriptures, a lifetime of conditioning in the 2x2 fellowship, and my own personal experiences that I think of as interactions with God, or God working in my life. Anybody on this board could poke holes in my perspective and understanding with a couple of well calculated quotes from the venerable King James Version. But it doesn't matter. What I believe is MY truth. When I experience something that has enough impact to alter my belief, then I will have a paradigm shift and be off on another tack. I hope I never become a person who is unwilling to change what I believe because it would mean that I was wrong. From where I stand now, I have believed in a wrong vision of God and Truth most of my life. It is my sincere desire for myself and all of us that our spiritual journey keeps leading us to a better and clearer understanding of God and truth and we have a willingness to release our old, invalid views and the kingdom of God continues to grow within us.
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Post by placid-void on Aug 2, 2015 16:15:26 GMT -5
I agree, everyone does it in some degree. That is the point. Christians always complain if people state their point of view, and accuse others of trying to destroy their faith and their peace but they don't stop to think about how they do the very same thing, but in their case it's okay and not considered to be destroying a faith, but rather bringing people to salvation and it doesn't destroy their peace, but rather knowing they are saved by the 'one true God', they bring them peace. I was pointing out that Christians are no different than anyone else. Because they believe they are the only true religion though, they don't see what they have done to Native people as damage, but rather salvation. I see Matt 10 has also commented on this. I don't think anyone should become an atheist. It's rather obvious that people need to believe in God or it wouldn't be happening. But when we get accused of trying to destroy their faith when we state our pov, I think it's rather ironic knowing the history of Christianity, the crusades and the inquisition. That doesn't even take in what they did to the people of North, Central and South America. But of course what would atheists know, as they 'have no hope'. From my pov I don't really see a 'strong faith' as a redeeming quality. It just means that they believe even though there is no evidence and sometimes when there are facts that they ignore because it doesn't fit their pov. It is what it is of course. But don't call non Christians on it when Christians are one of the biggest spreaders of their point of view and historically with tragic outcomes in some cases. Snow, I don't disagree with most of what you say. Generally, I think that most rational individuals understand and acknowledge the position you take, it is a pretty well trodden path. On the topic of organized religions, I think most individuals go into a defensive posture, no matter their point of view. I have often found that the strength of one's point of view is often inversely proportional to the extent they feel vulnerable to the attacks of others.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 2, 2015 16:52:30 GMT -5
I'm just explaining what the difference between discernment and judgement means to me. I believe that someone can make a mistake, or even have a wrong idea in their head, but still have a relationship with God. His work isn't complete in any of us. Furthermore, non of us understand it all. This is why I shouldn't judge that person even if they say something that I feel isn't of God. It doesn't mean they don't have a relationship with God. It doesn't mean they are not led by the HP. That is for God to decide, not me. My job is to discern what is right for ME. My job is NOT to judge OTHERS. I think you hit the bull's eye there. There is a huge difference in applying judgment and discernment externally and internally. In spite of moat and beam and other instructions about judgment it's man's nature to want to apply them only externally and not internally. This board offers constant proof of that. We ran across another reference to angels not judging in our Peter bible study, 2Peter 2:11. Another is Jude 1:9. Yet men so often take judgment and discernment where angels won't, where angels fear to tread.
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2015 17:00:53 GMT -5
I agree, everyone does it in some degree. That is the point. Christians always complain if people state their point of view, and accuse others of trying to destroy their faith and their peace but they don't stop to think about how they do the very same thing, but in their case it's okay and not considered to be destroying a faith, but rather bringing people to salvation and it doesn't destroy their peace, but rather knowing they are saved by the 'one true God', they bring them peace. I was pointing out that Christians are no different than anyone else. Because they believe they are the only true religion though, they don't see what they have done to Native people as damage, but rather salvation. I see Matt 10 has also commented on this. I don't think anyone should become an atheist. It's rather obvious that people need to believe in God or it wouldn't be happening. But when we get accused of trying to destroy their faith when we state our pov, I think it's rather ironic knowing the history of Christianity, the crusades and the inquisition. That doesn't even take in what they did to the people of North, Central and South America. But of course what would atheists know, as they 'have no hope'. From my pov I don't really see a 'strong faith' as a redeeming quality. It just means that they believe even though there is no evidence and sometimes when there are facts that they ignore because it doesn't fit their pov. It is what it is of course. But don't call non Christians on it when Christians are one of the biggest spreaders of their point of view and historically with tragic outcomes in some cases. Snow, I don't disagree with most of what you say. Generally, I think that most rational individuals understand and acknowledge the position you take, it is a pretty well trodden path. On the topic of organized religions, I think most individuals go into a defensive posture, no matter their point of view. I have often found that the strength of one's point of view is often inversely proportional to the extent they feel vulnerable to the attacks of others. I suppose that's a possibility. Are you saying the ones that have trouble with people saying there is no God are the ones who fear their faith isn't strong enough? After all, no one asks to become an atheist if they were once a theist and a devout one. It just happens so I suppose it is a bit scary that it could just happen to them someday too?
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Post by SharonArnold on Aug 2, 2015 17:09:47 GMT -5
it seems like a few on here don't want to give God the credit for what He can do and just want to try work these things out in their own minds, sad really because there is so much that God can show us if we just put ourselves to one side Undoubtedly, you are probably right. The problem is that we all have varying levels of faith. Some believe God can, and is willing to do certain things, but others do not have a catalog of experience that build faith in that particular foundation. I'm sure that I am one with the least faith, so many of your assertions seem to be a bit of nonsense to be. With that said, I have no intention of criticizing your belief, simply because I have no been through the same process of faith development as you. But getting back to the original posters question--is the Bible inerrant? I used to think that it was one cohesive codex on how to live our lives and commune with our creator. When things didn't fit my paradigm of who or what God was, I chalked it up to my own ignorance. I asked questions. I did research. Where I am at this point in my journey is that I have formed a vague image of God in my mind from the scriptures, a lifetime of conditioning in the 2x2 fellowship, and my own personal experiences that I think of as interactions with God, or God working in my life. Anybody on this board could poke holes in my perspective and understanding with a couple of well calculated quotes from the venerable King James Version. But it doesn't matter. What I believe is MY truth. When I experience something that has enough impact to alter my belief, then I will have a paradigm shift and be off on another tack. I hope I never become a person who is unwilling to change what I believe because it would mean that I was wrong. From where I stand now, I have believed in a wrong vision of God and Truth most of my life. It is my sincere desire for myself and all of us that our spiritual journey keeps leading us to a better and clearer understanding of God and truth and we have a willingness to release our old, invalid views and the kingdom of God continues to grow within us. I so get this.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 2, 2015 17:42:37 GMT -5
I'm just explaining what the difference between discernment and judgement means to me. I believe that someone can make a mistake, or even have a wrong idea in their head, but still have a relationship with God. His work isn't complete in any of us. Furthermore, non of us understand it all. This is why I shouldn't judge that person even if they say something that I feel isn't of God. It doesn't mean they don't have a relationship with God. It doesn't mean they are not led by the HP. That is for God to decide, not me. My job is to discern what is right for ME. My job is NOT to judge OTHERS. Agree JD !
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