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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 0:22:09 GMT -5
Quote - "My firm conviction now is in the priesthood of all believers. Some point to the fact that 2&2 preacher beliefs work as proof of its correctness. Well, what I believe in also "works!." Ever met a Supermarket preacher? You are reaching for that tin of baked beans. Some woman with a loaded trolley and three kids asks you "Do you believe in Jesus?" She's got you cornered.
Casual ministry = casual belief No cost ministry = no worth doctrine Easy come ministry = easy go ministry Denominational ministry = fives, tens and twenties thanks.What do you mean by this please?
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 0:22:46 GMT -5
Quote - "My firm conviction now is in the priesthood of all believers. Some point to the fact that 2&2 preacher beliefs work as proof of its correctness. Well, what I believe in also "works!." Ever met a Supermarket preacher? You are reaching for that tin of baked beans. Some woman with a loaded trolley and three kids asks you "Do you believe in Jesus?" She's got you cornered.
Casual ministry = casual belief No cost ministry = no worth doctrine Easy come ministry = easy go ministry Denominational ministry = fives, tens and twenties thanks.Cornered in a Supermarket? I have heard 'stories' about how professing women were asked that question because of the bun and dress. Do you think that they felt cornered? How would you react if you were questioned that way? I would say YES, thanks for asking. I'd start talking to them about God! I wish that happened to me more often, if I thought wearing a bun would get people asking me about God, I'd wear a bun 24/7. But they wouldn't ask that here!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 0:33:23 GMT -5
I am fine with total strangers asking me point-blank "Are you saved?" I take them to be a bit dysfunctional, but I am happy to talk to them. If I see them in the streets I sometimes go talk if I have the time.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 0:41:32 GMT -5
I am fine with total strangers asking me point-blank "Are you saved?" I take them to be a bit dysfunctional, but I am happy to talk to them. If I see them in the streets I sometimes go talk if I have the time. Yes that would be a bit strange asking if your saved out of the blue wouldn't it. But, what an opportunity for someone to walk up and ask if you believe in God. I'd say yes, why do you ask, and do you want to know what I believe or say do you want to go for a cuppa and I'll tell you. (If they had time) but here in Britain people are very reserved. But I'd love to talk to anyone about God! As you might of guessed
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:08:57 GMT -5
What do you mean by this please? Great question! I concluded that Bert believes that the workers are: - very formal - costly (they charge a lot - they don't come easily - they don't belong to a denominational church ie they were founded by William Irvine in the late 1800's when a few other sects sprang up. I also had a vision of Bert cornering some poor lady in the corner of the supermarket (not to ask her about Jesus) but to compare shopping lists and to prove that his list was more comprehensive than hers. Well really I just wondered why a woman with three children asking if you believed in God would equal those things that Bert had written? I don't really understand what Bert means. In other words how does being cornered by a woman with three children and being asked if you believe in God equal no worth doctrine etc. Why would you think that because they ask do you believe in God? It's probably me, I've probably read it wrong, maybe I've missed something!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 3:22:20 GMT -5
Maryhig, some hold that everyone in a church is a minister. That's why I made that comment. And it's true - some people DO act like their own ministers. Twice I have had several women with kids knock on my door - who are they? Local JW's. They didn't seem very clued up on JW doctrine - just handing out Watch Tower magazines.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:28:52 GMT -5
Maryhig, some hold that everyone in a church is a minister. That's why I made that comment. And it's true - some people DO act like their own ministers. Twice I have had several women with kids knock on my door - who are they? Local JW's. They didn't seem very clued up on JW doctrine - just handing out Watch Tower magazines. Ah right I think I've got you, do you mean like a church minister? Yes I've had JW knocking on my door and they leave quite quickly I've even asked them to come in, but I think I must be one of the only houses they've said no to . I think it's because I don't agree with them!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:29:38 GMT -5
Well really I just wondered why a woman with three children asking if you believed in God would equal those things that Bert had written? I don't really understand what Bert means. In other words how does being cornered by a woman with three children and being asked if you believe in God equal no worth doctrine etc. Why would you think that because they ask do you believe in God? It's probably me, I've probably read it wrong, maybe I've missed something! No, I don't understand either... I'd be really happy if a woman with three kids talked to me in the supermarket about God or Jesus or whether I thought I was saved....it would be a great chance to talk about things. It would be worth a lot to both of us as there couldn't be a more important topic Can you imagine if that woman who stopped you was me, and the conversation got into the trinity? On my word!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:42:46 GMT -5
Can you imagine if that woman who stopped you was me, and the conversation got into the trinity? On my word! You'd set her straight on that topic! Ha ha, that's funny, but no I meant if I met you in a supermarket, and we got talking about God and then got talking about the trinity. Can you imaging it? Ha ha only joking!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 3:48:48 GMT -5
Maryhig, some hold that everyone in a church is a minister. That's why I made that comment. And it's true - some people DO act like their own ministers. Twice I have had several women with kids knock on my door - who are they? Local JW's. They didn't seem very clued up on JW doctrine - just handing out Watch Tower magazines. Peter said "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous light" (1 Peter 2:5-9). You mentioned that "some hold that everyone in a church is a minister..." Peter obviously held this view. Whether we cringe at the word or not (I'm not sure why we would?) the Bible is clear that followers of Jesus are priests of the Living God....and we are to give praise to the One who has given us the great gift of His Son's sacrifice on our behalf and to share this wonderful grace with others. Yes we all in our meeting would talk about God, to whoever we meet. Not just one of us. But is that what Bert means? Doesn't everyone who belongs to God speak about him when asked about him? 1 Peter 3 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 4:07:45 GMT -5
Yes we all in our meeting would talk about God, to whoever we meet. Not just one of us. But is that what Bert means? Doesn't everyone who belongs to God speak about him when asked about him? 1 Peter 3 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Every Christian should talk to others about Jesus. Others can comment but some workers don't like the friends talking too much to outsiders or strangers as they call them about Jesus. Some ask you just to refer them to the workers. Oh right, I don't know why that is, because speaking with some of the friends on here you can see that they love God and I can imagine they would be good speakers. But not all people are comfortable speaking. They say in our meeting is good to speak to people, but if you can't speak it, live it, and show people God in your heart and Christ in your life!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 4:08:29 GMT -5
Ha ha, that's funny, but no I meant if I met you in a supermarket, and we got talking about God and then got talking about the trinity. Can you imaging it? Ha ha only joking! Yep, it would be a good conversation - I reckon we'd do it over coffee! We'd be there all day!
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 10:56:32 GMT -5
Maryhig, some hold that everyone in a church is a minister. That's why I made that comment. And it's true - some people DO act like their own ministers. Twice I have had several women with kids knock on my door - who are they? Local JW's. They didn't seem very clued up on JW doctrine - just handing out Watch Tower magazines. Ah right I think I've got you, do you mean like a church minister? Yes I've had JW knocking on my door and they leave quite quickly I've even asked them to come in, but I think I must be one of the only houses they've said no to . I think it's because I don't agree with them! They avoid my house too and I'd be more than willing to talk to them. I think they know this... lol My daughter let some in one day and they left a lot of pamphlets etc with her, talked to her a little then left. About a week later they showed up at my door and she wasn't home. They asked for her and said they wanted to know what she thought of the things they had left for her to read. I invited them in and we talked. I told them what I believed and asked them why they believed what they believed. All very polite. But you know, I saw them on our street lots after that but they always walked past our place. I felt a little hurt and left out. Ah well. They do not like to hear someone else's beliefs, their job is to convert you to their beliefs. That's the way most religions are. You have to believe in their version of God or your not worthy.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 11:58:05 GMT -5
Ah right I think I've got you, do you mean like a church minister? Yes I've had JW knocking on my door and they leave quite quickly I've even asked them to come in, but I think I must be one of the only houses they've said no to . I think it's because I don't agree with them! They avoid my house too and I'd be more than willing to talk to them. I think they know this... lol My daughter let some in one day and they left a lot of pamphlets etc with her, talked to her a little then left. About a week later they showed up at my door and she wasn't home. They asked for her and said they wanted to know what she thought of the things they had left for her to read. I invited them in and we talked. I told them what I believed and asked them why they believed what they believed. All very polite. But you know, I saw them on our street lots after that but they always walked past our place. I felt a little hurt and left out. Ah well. They do not like to hear someone else's beliefs, their job is to convert you to their beliefs. That's the way most religions are. You have to believe in their version of God or your not worthy. Yes, they do tend to try and push you to believe them. But I think one of the sticking points for me was when they told me that they believe that people will rise out of their graves in their flesh they died in and come whole again and walk the earth. I don't believe this I'm afraid. Or many of the things they teach.
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 12:31:48 GMT -5
They avoid my house too and I'd be more than willing to talk to them. I think they know this... lol My daughter let some in one day and they left a lot of pamphlets etc with her, talked to her a little then left. About a week later they showed up at my door and she wasn't home. They asked for her and said they wanted to know what she thought of the things they had left for her to read. I invited them in and we talked. I told them what I believed and asked them why they believed what they believed. All very polite. But you know, I saw them on our street lots after that but they always walked past our place. I felt a little hurt and left out. Ah well. They do not like to hear someone else's beliefs, their job is to convert you to their beliefs. That's the way most religions are. You have to believe in their version of God or your not worthy. Yes, they do tend to try and push you to believe them. But I think one of the sticking points for me was when they told me that they believe that people will rise out of their graves in their flesh they died in and come whole again and walk the earth. I don't believe this I'm afraid. Or many of the things they teach. There is just so much for me that just isn't believable. But if we are brought up to believe certain things are true, it's hard to challenge those beliefs. They are raised in a religion that teaches these things and it's just as impossible for them to believe what you believe as it is for you to believe what they believe. It's easy to see other's beliefs for what they are, but not so easy to challenge our own for what they are. I had a very hard time letting go of the 2x2 beliefs when I quit professing and it took a few years to get over the belief that I was doomed to hell for not professing. But once you can let go of some of the early beliefs we are taught it becomes a little easier. It's certainly a journey because there is so much fear and guilt taught to us at an early age, at least there was in my upbringing. Might have been different for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 12:45:22 GMT -5
... They do not like to hear someone else's beliefs, their job is to convert you to their beliefs. That's the way most religions are. You have to believe in their version of God or your not worthy. Snow, ma'am*, since I have not examined nor studied "MOST" religions (denominations) only the few which I have attended, I cannot address what must be your much widely known experience(s).
Having stated that, I CAN express from my limited experience of less than a dozen different church denominations attended, that I simply have not found this so. Not one of them have expressed nor given me this impression which you flatly state as so prevalent. (Smile, except 2&2 preacher meetings and visits.) Perhaps you could tell me those of the "most" religions (believing in Christ) you reference which do that, so that I can either check them out for myself, or avoid them outright? Thank you...
*This term is used to avoid the use of "dear" which is often trite, and/or deemed "patronizing," which I certainly do not intend, so, I use "Ma'am" a military form of politeness, respect and even endearment... (Smile! And, yes, I use it in talking to my sweetheart frequently.)
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 12:55:05 GMT -5
Yes, they do tend to try and push you to believe them. But I think one of the sticking points for me was when they told me that they believe that people will rise out of their graves in their flesh they died in and come whole again and walk the earth. I don't believe this I'm afraid. Or many of the things they teach. There is just so much for me that just isn't believable. But if we are brought up to believe certain things are true, it's hard to challenge those beliefs. They are raised in a religion that teaches these things and it's just as impossible for them to believe what you believe as it is for you to believe what they believe. It's easy to see other's beliefs for what they are, but not so easy to challenge our own for what they are. I had a very hard time letting go of the 2x2 beliefs when I quit professing and it took a few years to get over the belief that I was doomed to hell for not professing. But once you can let go of some of the early beliefs we are taught it becomes a little easier. It's certainly a journey because there is so much fear and guilt taught to us at an early age, at least there was in my upbringing. Might have been different for you. Yes I've had free will to choose, I've never been forced to do anything, we aren't told were condemned if we don't go to the meeting. And we believe you have to make that choice for yourself. The door is open to all our families and anyone else who wants to come. Whenever they choose to do so. My beliefs are a bit different to others, what they see as literal, i sometimes see as symbolic, like the parables, and we have to the have revelation given from Christ by the holy spirit to understand. I believe the way I do because Jesus came and lived it. And showed us the way. And I've never heard wisdom from anyone like the wisdom Jesus had, I know in my heart this is from God. And through my own experiences I know God exists. But I don't believe in organised religion and traditions. I just love God from my heart.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 17:57:20 GMT -5
Yes, they do tend to try and push you to believe them. But I think one of the sticking points for me was when they told me that they believe that people will rise out of their graves in their flesh they died in and come whole again and walk the earth. I don't believe this I'm afraid. Or many of the things they teach. When Christ returns to reign the 1000 yrs as King of kings and LORD of lords on the earth.... the Lord's people shall receive the Resurrection bodies, which NEVER die to rule on the earth 1000 yrs with Christ.1) Paul wrote in ICor.15:50-57 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I showed you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.[/font]
2) Paul wrote in I Thess. 4: 13-17 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
3) Jude wrote Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Hi Nathan, what are you trying to say with these verses?
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Post by snow on Jul 31, 2015 18:22:18 GMT -5
... They do not like to hear someone else's beliefs, their job is to convert you to their beliefs. That's the way most religions are. You have to believe in their version of God or your not worthy. Snow, ma'am*, since I have not examined nor studied "MOST" religions (denominations) only the few which I have attended, I cannot address what must be your much widely known experience(s).
Having stated that, I CAN express from my limited experience of less than a dozen different church denominations attended, that I simply have not found this so. Not one of them have expressed nor given me this impression which you flatly state as so prevalent. (Smile, except 2&2 preacher meetings and visits.) Perhaps you could tell me those of the "most" religions (believing in Christ) you reference which do that, so that I can either check them out for myself, or avoid them outright? Thank you...
*This term is used to avoid the use of "dear" which is often trite, and/or deemed "patronizing," which I certainly do not intend, so, I use "Ma'am" a military form of politeness, respect and even endearment... (Smile! And, yes, I use it in talking to my sweetheart frequently.)Well I did grow up in the 2x2's Dennis so... Maryhig and I were discussing the JW's which like the 2x2's believe they are the only true way (many of them anyway) and they definitely do try to convert you. Then I have had the experience of my Baptist family, conversion must be to their way of believing. Have some Mormon friends that also believe that I should convert to their way of thinking. This is just a couple of Christian groups and I haven't even started talking about other religions. Religions try to bring in converts. I don't think anyone can disagree with that? If they believe they're right they want others to know that, then they try to get other to believe as they do. So I'm rather confused as to why you question a statement that most religions try to convert you to their beliefs. Don't you think that's what they do? Individuals may not, depends on the individual, but religious organizations are set up to bring in converts to their way of thinking, right? If you are sitting in their church they are likely preaching to you about their beliefs. They want you to believe as they do. That's pretty much a given. Some are definitely more aggressive about it than others.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 19:01:23 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, what are you trying to say with these verses? The JW is correct on their belief about the believers raised from their grave with the NEW bodies/the resurrection bodies when Jesus returns to RULE the earth 1000 years with Christ.
You mean that you believe they are correct? I see that as symbolic and spiritual. But we will have to believe what's right in our own hearts.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 31, 2015 19:20:06 GMT -5
You mean that you believe they are correct? Yes, the JW is correct.I see that as symbolic and spiritual. But we will have to believe what's right in our own hearts. It NOT symbolic or spiritual but a REALITY to take place when Jesus returns. Christ MUST reign on the earth and with His people to subdue all powers, religions, and earthly gov't rulers.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 15:23-28 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Nathan, the bible also says that Jesus' return was in that generation and Jesus doesn't lie! As I said, I understand it spiritually. You must believe what you feel is right in your heart
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Post by jondough on Jul 31, 2015 20:02:51 GMT -5
Maryhig, some hold that everyone in a church is a minister. That's why I made that comment. And it's true - some people DO act like their own ministers. Twice I have had several women with kids knock on my door - who are they? Local JW's. They didn't seem very clued up on JW doctrine - just handing out Watch Tower magazines. We have done the same thing with the Workers many times out here in the US. The Worker make up these little Gospel Meeting invites, then invite all the Friends on a Saturday to go around a chosen neighborhood to pass them out. I did it with them along with my wife and children. Anyone asking questions probably felt the same way about us. Oh well, we do what we can do....
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Post by howitis on Jul 31, 2015 20:56:53 GMT -5
Elizabeth, Sorry about my misinterpretation of the word 'gospel', though I believe its more than merely just 'good news' is it not? Good news can be when a baby is born, or someone says they're getting married or something......some interpretations say 'Gods, good news'.......which is closer I feel......and really does not it have to be spoken? you can't very well write it if its not 1st spoken, can you? To both Roselyn and Elizabeth, I'm so sad that you feel that way about the 'witch doctor', I'm pretty sure that at least one of the workers that 1st visited him is still alive. You know when I was younger something terrible happened to me I didn't tell many people because I felt they wouldn't believe me and I guess Roselyn you wouldn't appreciate it too much if people didn't believe your life story regarding your mums DV. Why then do you make light of it when there is a lovely story out there if a lovely life? Do we choose not to take on board some f the bible stories...you know Moses in the rushes, Daniel in the lions den Jesus in a manger........just because right now we don't want to believe that portion? These stories are our stories, past and present, generation to generation whether we are of the 2x2's or not there are still family stories, they become our fabric and make us what we are..........in the 2x2's or any other church stories of others coming to know God are important to all who attend that church. Roselyn and others have told their stories within their posts and I've often responded with sincerity to both them and their condition, Roselyn even PM'd me regarding my experience, I now feel though that was probably not from sincerity of heart, but for another reason.....oh well!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 21:27:32 GMT -5
Ross, regarding the unmarried workers. Read Matthew 19:29. It needs to be read in the context of the preceding story. I know that verses need to be in context. Tell me how you think this verse applies to the previous verses. I link the verse up to the disciples' question, in the previous verse, where they declare that they (the disciples, aka the workers) have left all and followed Jesus. Jesus answers with the said verse. It's clear He was speaking about disciples in his reply.Jesus doesn't ask people to literally sell all their possessions today to follow Him - just as Peter didn't leave his wife nor sell his house. Who says that workers aren't asked to sell all of their possessions today and follow Him? You say this, but the Bible doesn't say this. Peter did leave his wife for the work. I'm not saying he divorced her. But, but he did put the work above his wife. Jesus' point, which is the same about denying ourselves and taking up our cross to follow him, is about dying to self and giving him first priority. I agree. Every Christian should dye to self and give Him the first priority. However, disciples (workers) are required to give up all and preach. Not all Christians are required to do this. To me, it's clear in the bible that the disciples (the 12, the 70 and many others who followed throughout history) have sold all and went out and preached. This is the biblical pattern.Jesus' words in Matthew 19:29 also just don't apply to workers or ministers - they apply to everyone. No, they don't apply to everyone. They apply to those who are called to do so. Jesus didn't call everyone to be a disciple. He called those whom He chose to be disciples. No everyone is called to the work.He indicates that everyone who places Jesus first and follows Him ie for His sake will be rewarded. Actually, He seems to say that those who sell all and become disciples will have a special reward.I know workers use Matthew 19:29 to support the nonsense that every minister but be unmarried - but they use it incorrectly. This is easy to see because if you took this view of the verse it precludes any married person from ever going into the work - for, in order to comply with their view of this verse you would have to leave your wife! Well, that's how it reads. I think that's what Jesus was saying. I'm sure that He wouldn't ask anyone to leave his wife if it had a negative effect on the wife. I'm sure the wife would have to be in agreement with the calling of her husband. But, I believe that some did leave their wife and family and follow Jesus. I could elaborate, but wont at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 21:32:32 GMT -5
It's pretty clear in the bible that the 2x2 pattern continued in the early church. This day and age a worker might be alone for a period of time. Just because they are alone for a time does not invalidate his/her work. How it is clear? In Acts there are more times that other combinations or just one are mentioned compared to going in pairs. The facts speak for themselves. I know professing folk who now admit that this is the case. As I said before I don't have a problem with ministers going in pairs but (a) unmarried in all cases? and (b) claiming that 2x2 is the only true ministry combination/pattern? The NT ministry was very different than unmarried ministers only going only in pairs. Ross, as you know there have been married couples who have gone out in the work together. Raising children in the worker environment is very difficult, and not fair on the children. It's common sense to emphasize an unmarried 2x2 ministry. Also, I've not claimed that one worker is powerless. I'm saying that the general pattern is 2x2. Of course there were and still are times when a worker is alone. It's clearly not ideal for one person to be alone in the ministry. It's not unheard of (especially for prolonged periods of time), but that doesn't mean that it's unheard of.
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Post by jondough on Jul 31, 2015 21:39:10 GMT -5
How it is clear? In Acts there are more times that other combinations or just one are mentioned compared to going in pairs. The facts speak for themselves. I know professing folk who now admit that this is the case. As I said before I don't have a problem with ministers going in pairs but (a) unmarried in all cases? and (b) claiming that 2x2 is the only true ministry combination/pattern? The NT ministry was very different than unmarried ministers only going only in pairs. Ross, as you know there have been married couples who have gone out in the work together. Raising children in the worker environment is very difficult, and not fair on the children. It's common sense to emphasize an unmarried 2x2 ministry. Also, I've not claimed that one worker is powerless. I'm saying that the general pattern is 2x2. Of course there were and still are times when a worker is alone. It's clearly not ideal for one person to be alone in the ministry. It's not unheard of (especially for prolonged periods of time), but that doesn't mean that it's unheard of. I agree. Its more common sense than anything. Not a requirement to go 2X2. Example: Most construction companies send to jobs 2 people. Usually an experienced person with more of an apprentice. It makes a lot of sense. Its not a requirement, and not always possible. Also sometimes it makes sense to send more. No different.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 31, 2015 22:49:08 GMT -5
Elizabeth, Sorry about my misinterpretation of the word 'gospel', though I believe its more than merely just 'good news' is it not? Good news can be when a baby is born, or someone says they're getting married or something......some interpretations say 'Gods, good news'.......which is closer I feel......and really does not it have to be spoken? you can't very well write it if its not 1st spoken, can you? To both Roselyn and Elizabeth, I'm so sad that you feel that way about the 'witch doctor', I'm pretty sure that at least one of the workers that 1st visited him is still alive. You know when I was younger something terrible happened to me I didn't tell many people because I felt they wouldn't believe me and I guess Roselyn you wouldn't appreciate it too much if people didn't believe your life story regarding your mums DV. Why then do you make light of it when there is a lovely story out there if a lovely life? Do we choose not to take on board some f the bible stories...you know Moses in the rushes, Daniel in the lions den Jesus in a manger........just because right now we don't want to believe that portion? These stories are our stories, past and present, generation to generation whether we are of the 2x2's or not there are still family stories, they become our fabric and make us what we are..........in the 2x2's or any other church stories of others coming to know God are important to all who attend that church. Roselyn and others have told their stories within their posts and I've often responded with sincerity to both them and their condition, Roselyn even PM'd me regarding my experience, I now feel though that was probably not from sincerity of heart, but for another reason.....oh well!! Howitis, after sitting in meetings for 40 plus years, how many stories do we hear that are repeated over & over again, sometimes changed a bit but basically the same story about how someone met the workers. I have heard all the stories from my own family of how the older generations were on their way to the local church/hall to help with the War effort, they came to a cross road & decided to go to the Hall where the workers had missions instead. So yes I suppose over time we become cynical because most of the stories are always about how people found the "workers", which of course confirms in peoples mind that the workers must be the "true servants". As to my mothers DV, well if others don't believe that well I cannot change that, but I know what my experience was and what I witnessed. As to Bible stories, well I personally believe that is exactly what they were stories, I do not believe the Bible is inerrant. As to telling my story, I have only told a part of my story on here. Howitis if you believe that my PM to you was not sincere well that is up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 22:55:08 GMT -5
Elizabeth, Sorry about my misinterpretation of the word 'gospel', though I believe its more than merely just 'good news' is it not? Good news can be when a baby is born, or someone says they're getting married or something......some interpretations say 'Gods, good news'.......which is closer I feel......and really does not it have to be spoken? you can't very well write it if its not 1st spoken, can you? To both Roselyn and Elizabeth, I'm so sad that you feel that way about the 'witch doctor', I'm pretty sure that at least one of the workers that 1st visited him is still alive. You know when I was younger something terrible happened to me I didn't tell many people because I felt they wouldn't believe me and I guess Roselyn you wouldn't appreciate it too much if people didn't believe your life story regarding your mums DV. Why then do you make light of it when there is a lovely story out there if a lovely life? Do we choose not to take on board some f the bible stories...you know Moses in the rushes, Daniel in the lions den Jesus in a manger........just because right now we don't want to believe that portion? These stories are our stories, past and present, generation to generation whether we are of the 2x2's or not there are still family stories, they become our fabric and make us what we are..........in the 2x2's or any other church stories of others coming to know God are important to all who attend that church. Roselyn and others have told their stories within their posts and I've often responded with sincerity to both them and their condition, Roselyn even PM'd me regarding my experience, I now feel though that was probably not from sincerity of heart, but for another reason.....oh well!! Howitis, after sitting in meetings for 40 plus years, how many stories do we hear that are repeated over & over again, sometimes changed a bit but basically the same story about how someone met the workers. I have heard all the stories from my own family of how the older generations were on their way to the local church/hall to help with the War effort, they came to a cross road & decided to go to the Hall where the workers had missions instead. So yes I suppose over time we become cynical because most of the stories are always about how people found the "workers", which of course confirms in peoples mind that the workers must be the "true servants". As to my mothers DV, well if others don't believe that well I cannot change that, but I know what my experience was and what I witnessed. As to Bible stories, well I personally believe that is exactly what they were stories, I do not believe the Bible is inerrant. As to telling my story, I have only told a part of my story on here. Howitis if you believe that my PM to you was not sincere well that is up to you. your just a short step from becoming an agnostic or atheist aren't you?
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