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Post by jondough on Jul 3, 2015 8:58:22 GMT -5
Nothing worse than going to a hockey game, and find out that they don't allow fighting anymore....
oh yes, even worse....get on the TMB for the first time in months, see a thread called "Review 005" - click on it first cause you know this one isn't going to be boring......
then....
Admin shuts it down cause its not nyyyyyyceee........
Whats next.......UFC no longer allows hitting.
OH and by the way.....I'm an innie.....but this label of "Enemies of Truth" ...... Just because you explain to other why you left doesn't make you an enemy. Some do seem bitter, but I see it as more like they have been hurt. Wounds sometimes take a while to heal. Sometimes they never completely heal. Its funny because what happens is, when someone leaves, the ones still inside figure they don't want anything to do with anyone inside anymore, so they don't call them. The one that left is hurt, and sometimes becomes bitter because they feel they are being shunned. Really its a lack of communication, and wrong assusmptions on both sides.
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Post by hberry on Jul 3, 2015 10:56:47 GMT -5
What is this world coming to? Gracious, hockey without sticks flying and teeth breaking is hard to imagine.
You are right though about lack of communication on both sides. If there was no real friendship other than a church connection prior to leaving, then you wouldn't (or shouldn't) expect anyone to try to maintain that relationship once you've left. In watching what folks have said to a friend of mine who left--one of those gregarious "knows everyone" types--I could see why some who leave haven't wanted to maintain, or try to maintain, a relationship after leaving. It gets tiring to hear some version of "we are so sorry to hear you've left God's kingdom but we are praying that God will bring you back." If you've been raised in the fellowship and were the standard-issue exclusive type previously, you know what you used to think about people who left and you overlay that on what people you know might be thinking about you. So, sometimes a clean break is just easier to manage emotionally. And occasionally you actually are being shunned by someone you didn't think would behave that way. My Mom was always surprised at how the workers just ignored folks who left in our area, but I don't see that as shunning as much as their thinking "what's the use?" or feeling inadequate to handle the discussion that might ensue.
However, for those who have been hurt, the journey is different and I can't speak to that.
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 3, 2015 13:53:29 GMT -5
Nothing worse than going to a hockey game, and find out that they don't allow fighting anymore...
Totally fruster-ating. I went to a fight the other day, and lo and behold, a hockey game broke out. Unpredicatable anymore. Quite the world we live in. An ex- Amish couple , the other evening, heard a noise, klip , klop, klip , klop, and sure enuf, it was a drive-by shunning. Just fluste- rated, with all this "happy" gay marriage stuff going on nowadays (and nights) , don't people understand marriage and hockey and religion were instituted to be for fighting and stuff. Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 14:21:29 GMT -5
Read and understand, please, everyone. I completely support admin's decision to remove that thread! Why? Because the direction it took was furthest from my mind when I posted innocently what I did for other's knowledge! In fact, as I observed the direction it was taking, did I not quit responding? I have been also a man set under authority, and in this forum ADMIN has complete authority!
Surely others can understand that? Please do not attack them for whatever they felt necessary to do. I am sorry, Admin, that now even you face becoming embroiled in this pathetic matter. I make these comments in attempt to put an end to the issue for once and for all in this forum. Okay, everyone?
I am simply sorry it ever happened!
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Post by Gene on Jul 3, 2015 14:54:23 GMT -5
Read and understand, please, everyone. I completely support admin's decision to remove that thread! Why? Because the direction it took was furthest from my mind when I posted innocently what I did for other's knowledge! In fact, as I observed the direction it was taking, did I not quit responding? I have been also a man set under authority, and in this forum ADMIN has complete authority!
Surely others can understand that? Please do not attack them for whatever they felt necessary to do. I am sorry, Admin, that now even you face becoming embroiled in this pathetic matter. I make these comments in attempt to put an end to the issue for once and for all in this forum. Okay, everyone?
I am simply sorry it ever happened! Post of the week.
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Post by Gene on Jul 3, 2015 14:59:04 GMT -5
Dennis Just to clarify;. You mention " I posted innocently". You mean posts like: "Hey, "worker," so you do actually read at least some of what I express here! I am surprised, and pleased that you do!
Some of them in my opinion coming from a "worker" were, to me, downright "shameful." However, I understand you have as much right to be you in your posts, as much as myself or anyone else.
You ARE aware many of us know who you really are, yes? Like others, it is revealed by you yourself alone, and casts a very sad shadow in my opinion, upon your "ministry." It reflects to me, very sadly to express, a rather high degree of "double-mindedness".
"Worker," when Katie read your last post, she broke out laughing, because she has never met a "worker" and from your response to "our" invitation to you, she has absolutely no desire to meet with you, nor any other "worker" neither. Thanks, guy. So much for your "worker's" concern for those you think to be "lost." Now she understand's Ylva's position, saying no wonder she never wanted to go back!
Dmg: this fellow simply must behave as he does. I believe it is out of intense fear he may be wrong, knowing that if someone, anyone does prove him wrong, he will lose much honor and place. That would make him partially responsible, which is completely unacceptable for him. Actually, I pity him, and any of those like him. They have only the fruit of their labor to rely upon, as all the rest of us.
He cannot accept anyone's hand in friendship except sycophants, and that is only dependent upon his place among them. Rough spot to be in, especially when you are no longer anonymous... Poor fellow. Sits in honor on convention platforms, with all this on his conscience, and then has to even speak, knowing what he cannot dare to mention as true. If that isn't a rough spot to be in, what is? He has proven to Katie and myself, what and who he really is, and knows it, for all his blustering."Not post of the week
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 3, 2015 17:41:48 GMT -5
Dennis Just to clarify;. You mention " I posted innocently". You mean posts like: "Hey, "worker," so you do actually read at least some of what I express here! I am surprised, and pleased that you do!
Some of them in my opinion coming from a "worker" were, to me, downright "shameful." However, I understand you have as much right to be you in your posts, as much as myself or anyone else.
You ARE aware many of us know who you really are, yes? Like others, it is revealed by you yourself alone, and casts a very sad shadow in my opinion, upon your "ministry." It reflects to me, very sadly to express, a rather high degree of "double-mindedness".
"Worker," when Katie read your last post, she broke out laughing, because she has never met a "worker" and from your response to "our" invitation to you, she has absolutely no desire to meet with you, nor any other "worker" neither. Thanks, guy. So much for your "worker's" concern for those you think to be "lost." Now she understand's Ylva's position, saying no wonder she never wanted to go back!
Dmg: this fellow simply must behave as he does. I believe it is out of intense fear he may be wrong, knowing that if someone, anyone does prove him wrong, he will lose much honor and place. That would make him partially responsible, which is completely unacceptable for him. Actually, I pity him, and any of those like him. They have only the fruit of their labor to rely upon, as all the rest of us.
He cannot accept anyone's hand in friendship except sycophants, and that is only dependent upon his place among them. Rough spot to be in, especially when you are no longer anonymous... Poor fellow. Sits in honor on convention platforms, with all this on his conscience, and then has to even speak, knowing what he cannot dare to mention as true. If that isn't a rough spot to be in, what is? He has proven to Katie and myself, what and who he really is, and knows it, for all his blustering."I think the two of you should really should meet for coffee. Life-changing, if you would let it. (Go for it. Life on the edge.)
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 3, 2015 18:27:09 GMT -5
Dennis Just to clarify;. You mention " I posted innocently". You mean posts like: "Hey, "worker," so you do actually read at least some of what I express here! I am surprised, and pleased that you do!
Some of them in my opinion coming from a "worker" were, to me, downright "shameful." However, I understand you have as much right to be you in your posts, as much as myself or anyone else.
You ARE aware many of us know who you really are, yes? Like others, it is revealed by you yourself alone, and casts a very sad shadow in my opinion, upon your "ministry." It reflects to me, very sadly to express, a rather high degree of "double-mindedness".
"Worker," when Katie read your last post, she broke out laughing, because she has never met a "worker" and from your response to "our" invitation to you, she has absolutely no desire to meet with you, nor any other "worker" neither. Thanks, guy. So much for your "worker's" concern for those you think to be "lost." Now she understand's Ylva's position, saying no wonder she never wanted to go back!
Dmg: this fellow simply must behave as he does. I believe it is out of intense fear he may be wrong, knowing that if someone, anyone does prove him wrong, he will lose much honor and place. That would make him partially responsible, which is completely unacceptable for him. Actually, I pity him, and any of those like him. They have only the fruit of their labor to rely upon, as all the rest of us.
He cannot accept anyone's hand in friendship except sycophants, and that is only dependent upon his place among them. Rough spot to be in, especially when you are no longer anonymous... Poor fellow. Sits in honor on convention platforms, with all this on his conscience, and then has to even speak, knowing what he cannot dare to mention as true. If that isn't a rough spot to be in, what is? He has proven to Katie and myself, what and who he really is, and knows it, for all his blustering."Oh Rev, give it a rest already. Shall we dig up your posts that have been less than edifying in the past 6 months??? I know you have the attitude of 'I'll give it to them if they give it to me' but seriously, how far do you think that gets you? What happened to 'turn the other cheek'? I understand you're on convention rounds at the moment. Are you hearing any sermons on love & kindness there? Can we put some of that into practice?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 18:52:54 GMT -5
Review, tell us about what you enjoyed from convention!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2015 19:20:43 GMT -5
Oh Rev, give it a rest already. Shall we dig up your posts that have been less than edifying in the past 6 months??? I know you have the attitude of 'I'll give it to them if they give it to me' but seriously, how far do you think that gets you? What happened to 'turn the other cheek'? I understand you're on convention rounds at the moment. Are you hearing any sermons on love & kindness there? Can we put some of that into practice? Whyisitso,Yesterday you post mockingly posted: (don't worry it's all 'water off a duck's back to me.)"Aaahahahahaha. Hehe.
Um, Did you read again what Ross said? Or what Dennis said?
Do you even know what slander is?
Don't let your feelings for Ross get in the way of your potential to make sensible posts Review."
You put on your 'holier than thou' pharisee voice and give the worker a preach in a mocking superior tone today. Trying to shame him and ordering him around 'left right and centre'; is he doing this? a little sermon about putting things in to practice. It's ironic but I notice that those who squeal the loudest about the 'workers' ironically reveal they have the very same characteristics that they claim to see and despise in workers! Have you ever heard one squeal like a pig?
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Post by snow on Jul 3, 2015 19:42:47 GMT -5
They can be really adorable too you know!
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Post by withlove on Jul 3, 2015 21:51:34 GMT -5
Oink!
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 3, 2015 23:56:27 GMT -5
Oh Rev, give it a rest already. Shall we dig up your posts that have been less than edifying in the past 6 months??? I know you have the attitude of 'I'll give it to them if they give it to me' but seriously, how far do you think that gets you? What happened to 'turn the other cheek'? I understand you're on convention rounds at the moment. Are you hearing any sermons on love & kindness there? Can we put some of that into practice? Whyisitso,Yesterday you post mockingly posted: (don't worry it's all 'water off a duck's back to me.)"Aaahahahahaha. Hehe.
Um, Did you read again what Ross said? Or what Dennis said?
Do you even know what slander is?
Don't let your feelings for Ross get in the way of your potential to make sensible posts Review."
You put on your 'holier than thou' pharisee voice and give the worker a preach in a mocking superior tone today. Trying to shame him and ordering him around 'left right and centre'; is he doing this? a little sermon about putting things in to practice. It's ironic but I notice that those who squeal the loudest about the 'workers' ironically reveal they have the very same characteristics that they claim to see and despise in workers! *sigh* I guess I'll turn the other cheek. I too thought in the past few weeks you might have been mellowing a bit and maybe ready to offer more 'assist' than 'attack' on this board but I guess that's not going to happen. Sorry for you and sorry for the church you represent here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2015 1:46:45 GMT -5
All the time he's spent with us -- he must have his sermons all memorized. Otherwise, they must not have him preaching very often.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2015 3:06:10 GMT -5
All the time he's spent with us -- he must have his sermons all memorized. Otherwise, they must not have him preaching very often. I have wondered the same.
Let's hope some good convention stew will finally get to him & mellow him somewhat, -for the sake of those poor people at convention having to listen to him.
I had thought the days of convention "fire & brimstone" preaching were over.
Has it just been replaced by "sarcasm" I wonder?
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 4, 2015 3:41:37 GMT -5
All the time he's spent with us -- he must have his sermons all memorized. Otherwise, they must not have him preaching very often. I have wondered the same.
Let's hope some good convention stew will finally get to him & mellow him somewhat, -for the sake of those poor people at convention having to listen to him.
I had thought the days of convention "fire & brimstone" preaching were over.
Has it just been replaced by "sarcasm" I wonder? When I used to go to convention I was really good for at least a week after and here I was thinking he'd be to at least one convention a week on his current tour!! I tell you, I would've put him to shame with the goody two shoes I was after 4 days at convention!!
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Post by Greg on Jul 4, 2015 6:15:58 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb? Could be there are more readers than posters and more readers than we might think. Could be some stay away from the internet. Could be some stay away from sites that are not about "gems" and such.
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 4, 2015 6:40:20 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb? The last posts by whyisitso, dmg and bob help illustrate whyisitso why it is so. I seriously wonder why I do either. If it wasn't for the fine people (members and ex members) whom I've got in touch with by pm thru these public threads I wouldn't be here either. Now you will want to have the 'last word', so please do, post your mocking, justifying or excusing 'last word'. I stand by what I said above Sorry for you and sorry for the church you're representing here. (No mocking, justifying or excusing intended)
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Post by blacksheep on Jul 4, 2015 6:52:46 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb? Duh......Good Friends and Workers know where a meeting or a convention is. The true believers know that the Word should come from at least TWO living witnesses, not some faceless loose canon on the internet. A poster here could be a poser, even Satan disguised as an angel of light! Lets be realistic.....the TMB serves as a source for folks seeking information that they won't get from the meetings. This is where the "questioners" come to hear the other side. The "defenders of the Faith" who post here are attempting to plug up a leak, much like the Little Dutch boy and the Dike of legend.
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Post by xna on Jul 4, 2015 8:01:38 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb? Duh......Good Friends and Workers know where a meeting or a convention is. The true believers know that the Word should come from at least TWO living witnesses, not some faceless loose canon on the internet. A poster here could be a poser, even Satan disguised as an angel of light! Lets be realistic.....the TMB serves as a source for folks seeking information that they won't get from the meetings. This is where the "questioners" come to hear the other side. The "defenders of the Faith" who post here are attempting to plug up a leak, much like the Little Dutch boy and the Dike of legend. OR ...... It could be a listening post for PM chatter to see what's going on behind the scenes. The paranoid among us could wonder; is that's even possible?, is it is being done?, if so by whom? 6: Staff impersonation and support
1) At no point in time will a staff member ask you for your password. Administrators of ProBoards.com have global access power and thus do not require your password to log in.support.proboards.com/thread/546736/urgent-hacked-admin
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Post by rational on Jul 4, 2015 9:47:28 GMT -5
Read and understand, please, everyone. I completely support admin's decision to remove that thread! Why? Because the direction it took was furthest from my mind when I posted innocently what I did for other's knowledge! In fact, as I observed the direction it was taking, did I not quit responding? I have been also a man set under authority, and in this forum ADMIN has complete authority!
Surely others can understand that? Please do not attack them for whatever they felt necessary to do. I am sorry, Admin, that now even you face becoming embroiled in this pathetic matter. I make these comments in attempt to put an end to the issue for once and for all in this forum. Okay, everyone?
I am simply sorry it ever happened!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2015 16:47:04 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb?The last posts by whyisitso, dmg and bob help illustrate whyisitso why it is so. I seriously wonder why I do either. If it wasn't for the fine people (members and ex members) whom I've got in touch with by pm thru these public threads I wouldn't be here either. Now you will want to have the 'last word', so please do, post your mocking, justifying or excusing 'last word'. No "mocking, justifying or excusing (nor, of course ) 'last word'. Just a few questions.
How are you able to get the numbers for how many or few f&w's read or post on tmb?
Does the administration give you the numbers? I thought that was private information that wasn't supposed to be divulged to others.
Are you & GOD such buddies that HE tells you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2015 16:53:32 GMT -5
Why is it so few f&w read or post on tmb? Could be there are more readers than posters and more readers than we might think. Could be some stay away from the internet. Could be some stay away from sites that are not about "gems" and such. Or, could it be some stay away from ANYWHERE that they are afraid that the Rev (review005) might show up?
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Post by Greg on Jul 4, 2015 16:59:00 GMT -5
Could be there are more readers than posters and more readers than we might think. Could be some stay away from the internet. Could be some stay away from sites that are not about "gems" and such. Or, could it be some stay away from ANYWHERE that they are afraid that the Rev (review005) might show up?Probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -5
Dennis Just to clarify;.
You mention " I posted innocently". You mean posts like: Yes, worker. I mean exactly such posts as this. For your information "hey" in this usage is exactly like, "Hi, worker." also spelled "Hej". Perhaps you could try reading that post without such a "2x2 arrogant worker" mindset! I was glad you read that post of mine, for some you have obviously ignored. Since you have posted this over and over, so clearly it is like a "bee stuck in your bonnet." Until this very moment, I have let you do so without comment." You remind me of another worker from decades ago, who, when I took the time to address him his response to me was "what, have you no fear of God?"
What He did not recognize was a person can have much fear of God, without having any "fear of worker's." The post you seem love to throw around with spin of your own upon it each time. Do you have any idea how many people have written me of your arrogance. I thought not. Now a host of those people WILL be in the audience when you address them, some of them fence sitters, and my own relations. Very sad wan sigh! Personally I expect you will be attempting to quote many things out of their true context. Not the best idea, but then you obviously have very little respect for me or my advice either. Now please put a stop to this childish nonsense, enough is enough."Hey, (Hi,) "worker," so you do actually read at least some of what I express here! I am surprised, and pleased that you do!
Some of them in my opinion coming from a "worker" were, to me, downright "shameful." However, I understand you have as much right to be you in your posts, as much as myself or anyone else.
You ARE aware many of us know who you really are, yes? Like others, it is revealed by you yourself alone, and casts a very sad shadow in my opinion, upon your "ministry." It reflects to me, very sadly to express, a rather high degree of "double-mindedness".
"Worker," when Katie read your last post, she broke out laughing, because she has never met a "worker" and from your response to "our" invitation to you, she has absolutely no desire to meet with you, nor any other "worker" neither. Thanks, guy. So much for your "worker's" concern for those you think to be "lost." Now she understand's Ylva's position, saying no wonder she never wanted to go back!
Dmg: this fellow simply must behave as he does. I believe it is out of intense fear he may be wrong, knowing that if someone, anyone does prove him wrong, he will lose much honor and place. That would make him partially responsible, which is completely unacceptable for him. Actually, I pity him, and any of those like him. They have only the fruit of their labor to rely upon, as all the rest of us.
He cannot accept anyone's hand in friendship except sycophants, and that is only dependent upon his place among them. Rough spot to be in, especially when you are no longer anonymous... Poor fellow. Sits in honor on convention platforms, with all this on his conscience, and then has to even speak, knowing what he cannot dare to mention as true. If that isn't a rough spot to be in, what is? He has proven to Katie and myself, what and who he really is, and knows it, for all his blustering."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2015 19:09:23 GMT -5
All the time he's spent with us -- he must have his sermons all memorized. Otherwise, they must not have him preaching very often. I have wondered the same.
Let's hope some good convention stew will finally get to him & mellow him somewhat, -for the sake of those poor people at convention having to listen to him.
I had thought the days of convention "fire & brimstone" preaching were over.
Has it just been replaced by "sarcasm" I wonder? Sarcastic humor has always been an acceptable ingredient of exceptionally good preaching'
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2015 19:20:46 GMT -5
whyisitso you wrote: "I would've put him to shame with the goody two shoes I was after 4 days at convention!!"
Luke 18.11 comes to mind. I sincerely hope you will come to know of the justification of Christ that repentant sinners know. The justification of comparing yourself with another sinner is worthless pharisee justification. Been there, done that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2015 19:27:30 GMT -5
Could be there are more readers than posters and more readers than we might think. Could be some stay away from the internet. Could be some stay away from sites that are not about "gems" and such. Or, could it be some stay away from ANYWHERE that they are afraid that the Rev (review005) might show up?That certainly is a major concern -- I've seen it happen a few times. People have been chastised by lurking workers for "truths" they have told. It doesn't seem to matter to workers where or how they hear things, they are free to punish you for it anyway.
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