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Post by rational on May 28, 2015 20:14:05 GMT -5
Nathan, please stop cutting and pasting all that nonsense. In the unlikely event that anyone actually wants to read it, they can google it or go to your forum and read what you've posted there. The thing that really worries me is that you seem to believe it yourself. Nobody else believes any of it. One of your last posts makes claims about reincarnation, and also claims that Stranges met Jesus in person. You know that these things can't be true. Because Jesus died ~2,000 years ago?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 5:32:14 GMT -5
So if the workers are not the only true servants of God on earth, who are the others? Do you believe Frank Stranges was a true servant of God? Valiant Thor did NOT contact you. Frank Stranges did not contact you either. You watched videos and read a book. I’m talking about DIRECT CONTACT – it’s just NOT happening. Who are the men of godly strength and character that Stranges claims Valiant Thor contacted in person? I’ve yet to see one single friend or worker on this forum that believes anything you’ve said about Valiant Thor or Frank Stranges. What do the people in your meeting think? The ready-made network I was talking about was the friends and workers already established around the earth. Do you not think that is the most obvious network for God to use to spread the word? Yet not one of those people ever had a visit from Valiant Thor, he did not attend any meetings, missions or conventions anywhere, ever. How come Valiant Thor could dematerialize and reassemble his atoms so as not to be seen, yet his spaceship had to hide in a wood? Where are those people who 'saw' the spaceship leave? "So if the workers are not the only true servants of God on earth, who are the others?" So everyone from Christ to Irvine were not worthy to hear "the only true servants of God " ? Felicity maybe you should step back & think about how ridiculous this statement is ! I don't agree with everything Nathan says but really what he believes is not that different to what you believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 6:05:14 GMT -5
So if the workers are not the only true servants of God on earth, who are the others? Do you believe Frank Stranges was a true servant of God? Valiant Thor did NOT contact you. Frank Stranges did not contact you either. You watched videos and read a book. I’m talking about DIRECT CONTACT – it’s just NOT happening. Who are the men of godly strength and character that Stranges claims Valiant Thor contacted in person? I’ve yet to see one single friend or worker on this forum that believes anything you’ve said about Valiant Thor or Frank Stranges. What do the people in your meeting think? The ready-made network I was talking about was the friends and workers already established around the earth. Do you not think that is the most obvious network for God to use to spread the word? Yet not one of those people ever had a visit from Valiant Thor, he did not attend any meetings, missions or conventions anywhere, ever. How come Valiant Thor could dematerialize and reassemble his atoms so as not to be seen, yet his spaceship had to hide in a wood? Where are those people who 'saw' the spaceship leave? "So if the workers are not the only true servants of God on earth, who are the others?" So everyone from Christ to Irvine were not worthy to hear "the only true servants of God " ? Felicity maybe you should step back & think about how ridiculous this statement is ! I don't agree with everything Nathan says but really what he believes is not that different to what you believe. Roselyn, I wouldn't dream of saying who was worthy to hear and who wasn't. In any case, I believe God wants everyone to hear. I have no idea what was happening 1800 years ago, or who heard what from the time Jesus was on the earth. It was Nathan that brought William Irvine into it, not me. I wasn't talking about 1800 years ago at all. Nathan (or Stranges) claims that Valiant Thor was on earth in person for 58 years, starting in the 1950's - that's the time-frame I was talking about. Actually, I think my beliefs are VERY different to Nathans. How about you - do you think Pastor Frank Stranges was a godly man bringing truth to people or a charlatan trying to con people with a far-fetched story?
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Post by rational on May 29, 2015 8:11:59 GMT -5
Roselyn, I wouldn't dream of saying who was worthy to hear and who wasn't. In any case, I believe God wants everyone to hear. God, by the usual definition, is omnipotent and omniscient. Is s/he really wanted everyone to hear what is the problem?Who doesn't think that Commander Valiant Thor looks a lot like Irvine? That time frame is about as rigid as a rubber band!I would take option 2. But I could ask you the same question about the people who were promoting god to the masses. "Give me some livestock to sacrifice to god or we will all suffer." It is marketing and those promoting the claim often get the benefits.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 15:07:00 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, Down here in NZ we have a long weekend and I thought I would spend some time helping you with your studies.
During the winter of 1956-57, the Washington, D.C. area was extremely cold, but it was a good feeling to be working in a high security position in the Pentagon. I lived only a short distance away in Georgetown, the old section of the Nation's Capital. Senator John F. Kennedy lived on "O" Street just a block away from our house on Prospect. During a successful tour with the U.S. Naval Ceremonial Honor Guard, we had met with astronauts Glen Cooper, Wally Sherrar, who were the first wave of successful space travelers. Also we had visited the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier numerous times. It seemed like every time a visiting dignitary came to Washington,
I have been checking lists of astronauts for the names of Glen Cooper and Wally Shearer. There is no mention of those names. Where did you get these names from? The first person to orbit was Yuri Gagarin from the USSR on 12 April 1961. The first USA astronauts were Alan Shepherd who was in sub orbit within a month of Gagarin's successful flight. The first USA astronaut to go orbital was John Glenn on 20th Feb 1962.
How do you explain the discrepancies between your account and the accounts of NASA and other agencies who have publicly available history?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -5
The catch is more than just a miss spelling of a name. You stated that this happened in 1956/1957. How do you explain that Byrd got this mixed up as well?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 15:37:30 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, You also stated that Byrd met the Queen of England several times at the airport, presumably you are talking about Washington DC airport.
We had met the Queen of England several times at the airport, as these were some of the duties I performed as a young officer in the Navy. After carrying the 2-Star flag at the funeral of my late uncle, Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd
There is no Queen of England. There is a Queen of The United Kingdom. However when she visited the USA in 1957 she landed at New York sometime in October 1957 and did so in her role as Queen of Canada. She was a guest of the President. It was a brief visit and she did not visit Washington DC.
How do you explain this variance of facts?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 16:18:19 GMT -5
Thank you Nathan, yes she did go to Washington on this occassion, my mistake. However this was one visit to Washington. You say that Byrd met her several times. If she flew in and out of Washington that is twice, not several times.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 16:23:46 GMT -5
Nathan, are you re writing history to suit your own ends. This is highly suspicious behaviour.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2015 16:57:36 GMT -5
Nathan it is far more than that. The secret diary of Byrd is a crock of rubbish. I have pulled you up on other parts of it such as when you say he was flying in the Arctic when he was in fact in the Antarctic. Some one is telling loads of porkies here, either you or this guy Harley Byrd or someone else that wrote that diary and the other stuff about Harley. If it be you then I feel sorry for you.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 20:31:12 GMT -5
"So if the workers are not the only true servants of God on earth, who are the others?" So everyone from Christ to Irvine were not worthy to hear "the only true servants of God " ? Felicity maybe you should step back & think about how ridiculous this statement is ! I don't agree with everything Nathan says but really what he believes is not that different to what you believe. Roselyn, I wouldn't dream of saying who was worthy to hear and who wasn't. In any case, I believe God wants everyone to hear. I have no idea what was happening 1800 years ago, or who heard what from the time Jesus was on the earth. It was Nathan that brought William Irvine into it, not me. I wasn't talking about 1800 years ago at all. Nathan (or Stranges) claims that Valiant Thor was on earth in person for 58 years, starting in the 1950's - that's the time-frame I was talking about. Actually, I think my beliefs are VERY different to Nathans. How about you - do you think Pastor Frank Stranges was a godly man bringing truth to people or a charlatan trying to con people with a far-fetched story? Felicity the point I was making was your idea of the workers being "The only true servants of God on earth" is as far-fetched logically as some of Nathan's ideas. A man comes up with an experiment/idea in the late 1800's to follow what Jesus done how many thousand years before, then it becomes "the only right way" and the "only true servants of God on earth" belong to them. I am sure there are a lot of people that would say what gives them the right to think they are the "only right way "? Meanwhile all the people that lived & died before that time well they are lost ! How logical is that ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 20:45:49 GMT -5
Roselyn, I wouldn't dream of saying who was worthy to hear and who wasn't. In any case, I believe God wants everyone to hear. I have no idea what was happening 1800 years ago, or who heard what from the time Jesus was on the earth. It was Nathan that brought William Irvine into it, not me. I wasn't talking about 1800 years ago at all. Nathan (or Stranges) claims that Valiant Thor was on earth in person for 58 years, starting in the 1950's - that's the time-frame I was talking about. Actually, I think my beliefs are VERY different to Nathans. How about you - do you think Pastor Frank Stranges was a godly man bringing truth to people or a charlatan trying to con people with a far-fetched story? Felicity the point I was making was your idea of the workers being "The only true servants of God on earth" is as far-fetched logically as some of Nathan's ideas. A man comes up with an experiment/idea in the late 1800's to follow what Jesus done how many thousand years before, then it becomes "the only right way" and the "only true servants of God on earth" belong to them. I am sure there are a lot of people that would say what gives them the right to think they are the "only right way "? Meanwhile all the people that lived & died before that time well they are lost ! How logic is that ? when you have this verse in the bible: Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
and you have the current state of the world in which we now live I can see a sect getting the exclusivity bug its not that far fetched given that Judaism that came before Christianity was exclusive.
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Post by rational on May 29, 2015 20:52:43 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, You also stated that Byrd met the Queen of England several times at the airport, presumably you are talking about Washington DC airport. We had met the Queen of England several times at the airport, as these were some of the duties I performed as a young officer in the Navy. After carrying the 2-Star flag at the funeral of my late uncle, Rear Admiral Richard E. ByrdThere is no Queen of England. There is a Queen of The United Kingdom. However when she visited the USA in 1957 she landed at New York sometime in October 1957 and did so in her role as Queen of Canada. She was a guest of the President. It was a brief visit and she did not visit Washington DC. How do you explain this variance of facts? You will also discover there is no Harley Byrd related to Admiral Byrd. Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd has a single brother, Harry F. Byrd. Harley Byrd would have been his son. Harry had 4 children: Harry, Jr. Bradshaw Richard Beverley Alas - no Harley. But you should read the full account. An open casket at the cemetery. The wife approaching the casket and going through the pockets of the dead man. Removing papers and giving them to Harley. If you read these papers you can get into some really poorly written forgeries. And facts really don't matter when you are writing fiction.
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Post by Greg on May 29, 2015 20:55:57 GMT -5
It wasn't William Irvine idea. William Irvine and the early workers continued John Govan 2x2 workers apostolic Faith Mission founder in 1886. John Govan got the 2x2 apostolic ministry idea from those who had done it before him and it goes back to the shores of Galilee. NathanB, have you given up on the supposed story of one of William Irvine's sister having worked for one of the friends and then she led him to the meetings?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:03:19 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, You also stated that Byrd met the Queen of England several times at the airport, presumably you are talking about Washington DC airport. We had met the Queen of England several times at the airport, as these were some of the duties I performed as a young officer in the Navy. After carrying the 2-Star flag at the funeral of my late uncle, Rear Admiral Richard E. ByrdThere is no Queen of England. There is a Queen of The United Kingdom. However when she visited the USA in 1957 she landed at New York sometime in October 1957 and did so in her role as Queen of Canada. She was a guest of the President. It was a brief visit and she did not visit Washington DC. How do you explain this variance of facts? if you google "Queen of England" guess who pops up! right, Her Majesty the Queen...this does not mean I believe in aliens!
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Post by Greg on May 29, 2015 21:06:51 GMT -5
NathanB, have you given up on the supposed story of one of William Irvine's sister having worked for one of the friends and then she led him to the meetings? NOPE! William Irvine's sister led him to the apostolic ministry... William Irvine decided to join the Faith Mission 2 by 2 workers apostolic ministry group in 1895-1901.That is not the story. That is your revisionist story.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:30:16 GMT -5
Today's temperature on Venus is 863 deg F. It's a long day there - 243 Earth days in fact. And the pressure is quite crushing - about 90 atmospheres, about what you would get on Earth if you dug a mile deep into the earth.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 22:11:59 GMT -5
Felicity the point I was making was your idea of the workers being "The only true servants of God on earth" is as far-fetched logically as some of Nathan's ideas. A man comes up with an experiment/idea in the late 1800's to follow what Jesus done how many thousand years before, then it becomes "the only right way" and the "only true servants of God on earth" belong to them. I am sure there are a lot of people that would say what gives them the right to think they are the "only right way "? Meanwhile all the people that lived & died before that time well they are lost ! How logic is that ? when you have this verse in the bible: Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
and you have the current state of the world in which we now live I can see a sect getting the exclusivity bug its not that far fetched given that Judaism that came before Christianity was exclusive.
So Wally that verse proves that the F&W are the "only right way" does it ? Or that the workers are the only true servants of God ? The world in its current state ..... is the World in any worse state than it was Bible days ?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 22:18:01 GMT -5
Today's temperature on Venus is 863 deg F. It's a long day there - 243 Earth days in fact. And the pressure is quite crushing - about 90 atmospheres, about what you would get on Earth if you dug a mile deep into the earth. And the workers go back to the shores of Galilee, because they say so (Of course there is no evidence to back up their claim ) And the workers are the "only true servants of God on earth", because they say so And unless you believe their way you are lost and of the "world", because they say so As to those that lived and died before they heard the workers well who knows where they stand, but that doesn't change the fact that the workers "are the only true servants of God on earth", because they say so.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 22:25:20 GMT -5
when you have this verse in the bible: Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
and you have the current state of the world in which we now live I can see a sect getting the exclusivity bug its not that far fetched given that Judaism that came before Christianity was exclusive.
So Wally that verse proves that the F&W are the "only right way" does it ? Or that the workers are the only true servants of God ? The world in its current state ..... is the World in any worse state than it was Bible days ? according to some it is I've heard it used repeatedly to justify exclusivity...
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Post by Mary on May 29, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -5
You are correct. Straight is the way, so the workers cannot be it because we know many of them including Irvine were not straight. He was as deceived as some on this board. After all, using your line, we know all churches go back to the shores of Galilee. Christianity goes back to there.
You are correct Roselyn, the story that they are the only ones who go back, is as misleading as Nathan's Venus story.
I have not read anything in the Bible about any group that rises up in the 1980s which will be God's true way. We can all take any verse and apply them to ourselves. Just like many churches do. The proof is that Christianity has survived since the shores of Galilee, so Christianity is the true church.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 22:28:57 GMT -5
Does it prove that the F&W are "the only right way" according to you Wally ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:08:31 GMT -5
Does it prove that the F&W are "the only right way" according to you ? as I've said before I think "the truth" is a better way but not necessarily "the only way" especially because of these verses...
Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 23:30:34 GMT -5
Does it prove that the F&W are "the only right way" according to you ? as I've said before I think "the truth" is a better way but not necessarily "the only way" especially because of these verses...
Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Better for who Wally ? The workers who are made to feel like they are "modern day apostles" and worshipped ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:35:50 GMT -5
Quote - "And the workers go back to the shores of Galilee, because they say so (Of course there is no evidence to back up their claim )"
Should be on its own thread. But if I made a Shore of Galilee thread it might wind up with the planet Venus on it.
"Shores of Galilee" means what? ALL Christian churches emanate from "Shores of Galilee" preachers, not just the Orthodox or Roman Catholic Church.
"Shores of Galilee" refers to doctrine or way of living.
Is the RCC "Papal Infallibility" a "Shores of Galilee" doctrine? No, it came from the 1800's. Are church vestments from the "Shores of Galilee"? No, ca AD200 Do church candles come from the "Shores of Galilee", no AD 417 Does the homeless, itinerant ministry come from the "Shores of Galilee"? Yes. Do home churches come from the "Shores of Galilee"? Yes.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 23:52:19 GMT -5
Do the workers come from "the shores of Galilee"? No they come from late 1800's
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:54:58 GMT -5
So Bert who or what is the "homeless, itinerant ministry come from the "Shores of Galilee" ? It is another way of saying, "It comes from the bible."
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Post by Roselyn T on May 29, 2015 23:59:40 GMT -5
Well a lot of churches can claim that !
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