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Post by Jesse_Lackman on May 19, 2015 10:12:01 GMT -5
There is a difference between "the allegations of a criminal act committed" and "the suspect of the criminal acts committed". The second quote states criminal act(s) was/were committed, not alleged, but without a doubt actually were committed. I think a law officer's job is to collect evidence, not judge if alleged criminal acts actually were committed. If there is no doubt whatsoever criminal acts were committed like the second quote states, the officer should arrest the suspect.
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 10:29:06 GMT -5
There is a difference between "the allegations of a criminal act committed" and "the suspect of the criminal acts committed". The second quote states criminal act(s) was/were committed, not alleged, but without a doubt actually were committed. I think a law officer's job is to collect evidence, not judge if alleged criminal acts actually were committed. If there is no doubt whatsoever criminal acts were committed like the second quote states, the officer should arrest the suspect. There may well be criminal acts, say a murder, committed but there is not enough evidence to arrest the suspect. There may have been evidence presented when the allegations were made to the state that could confirm a criminal act but that does not seem to be the case. It sounds like the officer is moving forward on the supposition that the allegation is true and waiting for Leslie to come forward and disprove the allegation. |
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 13:33:07 GMT -5
There may well be criminal acts, say a murder, committed but there is not enough evidence to arrest the suspect. There may have been evidence presented when the allegations were made to the state that could confirm a criminal act but that does not seem to be the case. It sounds like the officer is moving forward on the supposition that the allegation is true and waiting for Leslie to come forward and disprove the allegation. Do you mean the supposition of guilty until LW proves himself innocent? Yes I agree the statement in his letter would suggest that. No. I mean the supposition that there has been a crime and LW is the prime suspect. Being a suspect does not mean one is guilty. That would be the purpose of the trial. I don't believe LW has been charged with a crime. A criminal complaint has been files stating the crime and alleging that LW was the perpetrator. |
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Post by SharonArnold on May 19, 2015 15:26:39 GMT -5
"committed criminal acts" are the words in the letter. You can slice and dice words all you like, to the detriment of all meaningful communication. Perhaps you are doing this deliberately? ( I totally get that you would never want to believe this kind of thing of a fellow worker. That speaks well of you.) But you really seem to be missing the point of Sgt. Joel Heap’s communications: Leslie White’s email:"Ultimately local authorities also dropped the complaint and made no charges due to lack of evidence." Sgt. Joel Heap’s response:"At no point have I or the Elbert County Sheriff’s Office made any statements regarding the complaint being dropped due to lack of evidence. In fact, Mr. White has been given the opportunity to give his side of the story since the time of discovery of the allegations, however refuses to do so. Mr. White has never contacted me in any form regarding this case and would have no viable way to make an accurate conclusion or statement that the local authorities dropped the complaint and made no charges due to lack of evidence." Leslie White’s email:"Blessedly some of the Workers and Friends took the initiative to reconstruct the time and events of this terrible thing, which was to have occurred nearly ten years previous, and were able to prove I was not present at the time and place of the alleged crime. Many people were officially interviewed to build a conclusive body of evidence and get to the truth of this matter." Sgt. Joel Heap’s response:"The offer has always stood on the table for him to come forward and speak with me regarding the events that took place and to this day I have heard nothing from him or the people he claims have reconstructed the time of events and found him not liable." It seems pretty clear that LW has been shown to have made deliberately false and misleading statements: 1. The complaint has not been dropped. 2. LW has never contacted the law enforcement authorities, nor allowed himself to be interviewed over this matter. 3. None of his supporters who he claims have "have reconstructed the time of events and found him not liable" have ever been interviewed. This is what I think (not that it counts for anything): 1. Sgt. Joel Heap finds the submitted statement against LW credible and worthy of consideration. However, he is also aware of how easily allegations of this type are thrown out on a technicality, or otherwise dismissed. 2. He is openly issuing the invitation to LW to come forward and present his side of the case. It is highly suspect that he has not already done this. 3. He is openly issuing the invitation to LW’s supporters to come forward and present the evidence they may have. 4. He is hoping against hope that any other individuals who could testify to misconduct on the part of LW (and rumor has it that there are many) would find the intestinal fortitude to come forward and state what they know. It is easy to dismiss one complaint, but not so easy to dismiss many. (Think Bill Cosby, the count is now at more than 30 women for the over 45 - 50 years.) |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 16:07:35 GMT -5
Sharon I absolutely agree with you! BUT that is not the point I have made. Let a good lawyer or judge see the letter & the statement I refer to..... I'd like to be a fly on the wall when they discussed the matter with Sgt Heap. But what exactly is the point you have made ...... or think you have made? I don't think anyone is clear on this. Matt10 |
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Post by Gene on May 19, 2015 16:38:49 GMT -5
Review005, I think you need a distraction. I've written to your overseer suggesting he consider sending you on a foreign convention tour. I think it would be good for your health. And there's precedent for sending a worker on tour when he's causing concern, so you should be a shoo-in!  |
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Post by Gene on May 19, 2015 16:42:52 GMT -5
Well! That was quick! I understand your flights have already been arranged! Very responsive chap, your overseer!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 16:46:31 GMT -5
Come along with me and we'll be two flies on the wall listening in you'll get the gist of it and be clear then. Or otherwise read the thread again, you'll get it that way also. I've read the thread every day since it started and I still don't get it. It's a badly written letter. It's not evidence. The police accuse people of stuff all the time but thankfully it's not the role of the police to determine whether one is guilty. The version of the letter posted on TMB isn't signed or dated. I'm still wondering what your point is. Matt10 |
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Post by whyisitso on May 19, 2015 16:54:23 GMT -5
Review005, I think you need a distraction. I've written to your overseer suggesting he consider sending you on a foreign convention tour. I think it would be good for your health. And there's precedent for sending a worker on tour when he's causing concern, so you should be a shoo-in! I just wonder how Review explains the hours and hours of trolling on TMB to the people where he stays. 'I'm busy answering correspondence from dear saints' 'I'm busy studying the bible for what I'm going to speak about on Sunday/Wednesday etc' 'I'm busy looking up sermons that've been posted on TLC' 'I'm busy looking at dating websites' 'I'm sorry I can't help do the dishes, I'm very busy but I do have time to eat that meal you've prepared. While you're at it here's a couple of shirts and my socks & jocks if you'd like to wash them for me' 'You need help outside doing physical work? I'm sorry I can't help, I'm very busy' Busy busy busy body. |
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Post by kittens on May 19, 2015 17:11:04 GMT -5
Review005, I think you need a distraction. I've written to your overseer suggesting he consider sending you on a foreign convention tour. I think it would be good for your health. And there's precedent for sending a worker on tour when he's causing concern, so you should be a shoo-in! I just wonder how Review explains the hours and hours of trolling on TMB to the people where he stays. 'I'm busy answering correspondence from dear saints' 'I'm busy studying the bible for what I'm going to speak about on Sunday/Wednesday etc' 'I'm busy looking up sermons that've been posted on TLC' 'I'm busy looking at dating websites' 'I'm sorry I can't help do the dishes, I'm very busy but I do have time to eat that meal you've prepared. While you're at it here's a couple of shirts and my socks & jocks if you'd like to wash them for me' 'You need help outside doing physical work? I'm sorry I can't help, I'm very busy' Busy busy busy body. 1
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Post by whyisitso on May 19, 2015 17:24:13 GMT -5
Whyisitso, I am both flattered & humbled that you are part of my 'cult following' . That you follow my posts, repost my posts, follow my daily activities so 16-18 hrs per day. The expression of it with your christlike spirit & words is deeply touching and encouraging. p. s. Congrats to you also kitten, you are also part of this noble band now. Oooooooo. Now I'm part of a cult? I've only been in a'sect' before. This should be fun. So you're the leader right? |
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Post by whyisitso on May 19, 2015 17:32:37 GMT -5
I've appointed you deputy leader, since you are so wholehearted, congrats. No no no. That's ok. I don't seek place Review. I'm happy to be one of the .... Well now, what would you call them? saints? Servants? Something like that. Let me know. But definitely not deputy leader, I wouldn't be comfortable with that. |
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2015 17:49:44 GMT -5
I just wonder how Review explains the hours and hours of trolling on TMB to the people where he stays. 'I'm busy answering correspondence from dear saints' 'I'm busy studying the bible for what I'm going to speak about on Sunday/Wednesday etc' 'I'm busy looking up sermons that've been posted on TLC' 'I'm busy looking at dating websites' 'I'm sorry I can't help do the dishes, I'm very busy but I do have time to eat that meal you've prepared. While you're at it here's a couple of shirts and my socks & jocks if you'd like to wash them for me' 'You need help outside doing physical work? I'm sorry I can't help, I'm very busy' Busy busy busy body. I've wondered this too. Review has done more harm than good by posting on this site and I hope he gets a good rap over the knuckles for the way he's behaved. He hasn't shown one trait of a godly person, much less a worker, who have an even more serious responsibility and are held to higher standards (not only by us but it does say in the bible the disciples were told to 'feed my lambs and feed my sheep') There's been no feeding going on here. In fact he has been very discouraging. I'm just so glad we've had a worker in our home recently who DID show wisdom, kindness and love and restored my faith in the workers. If it was left up to Review he would push everyone out of the meetings and block anyone wanting to come back in.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 17:52:41 GMT -5
Well! That was quick! I understand your flights have already been arranged! Very responsive chap, your overseer! coming right to your door |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 17:56:00 GMT -5
I've wondered this too. Review has done more harm than good by posting on this site and I hope he gets a good rap over the knuckles for the way he's behaved. He hasn't shown one trait of a godly person, much less a worker, who have an even more serious responsibility and are held to higher standards (not only by us but it does say in the bible the disciples were told to 'feed my lambs and feed my sheep') There's been no feeding going on here. In fact he has been very discouraging. I'm just so glad we've had a worker in our home recently who DID show wisdom, kindness and love and restored my faith in the workers. If it was left up to Review he would push everyone out of the meetings and block anyone wanting to come back in.
Cheer up Kittens. Review is not so bad in real life. At least I think he's not so bad. actually a very pleasant chap  |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 18:07:47 GMT -5
I've wondered this too. Review has done more harm than good by posting on this site and I hope he gets a good rap over the knuckles for the way he's behaved. He hasn't shown one trait of a godly person, much less a worker, who have an even more serious responsibility and are held to higher standards (not only by us but it does say in the bible the disciples were told to 'feed my lambs and feed my sheep') There's been no feeding going on here. In fact he has been very discouraging. I'm just so glad we've had a worker in our home recently who DID show wisdom, kindness and love and restored my faith in the workers. If it was left up to Review he would push everyone out of the meetings and block anyone wanting to come back in.
Cheer up Kittens. Review is not so bad in real life. At least I think he's not so bad.
'Course that would admittedly be difficult.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 18:12:41 GMT -5
Cheer up Kittens. Review is not so bad in real life. At least I think he's not so bad. actually a very pleasant chap 
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 18:22:37 GMT -5
actually a very pleasant chap
is this what you are saying a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage. synonyms: toady, creep, crawler, fawner, flatterer, flunkey, truckler, groveller, doormat, lickspittle, kowtower, obsequious person, minion, hanger-on, leech, puppet, spaniel, Uriah Heep;? |
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Post by whyisitso on May 19, 2015 18:30:15 GMT -5
Oooooooo. Now I'm part of a cult? I've only been in a'sect' before. This should be fun. So you're the leader right? Some wag just sent me this. He indicated that folk are planning to get some banners prepared (cheaply in China) and hold them up outside the front gate. He reckons it will help Review005's recruitment drive. View AttachmentWhy do it 'cheaply in China' I hear there's plenty of funds |
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Post by imelda on May 19, 2015 18:33:39 GMT -5
Could someone please let me know what neck-of-the-woods Review is in so that I can hopefully give him/her a wide berth? Thanks.
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 18:36:46 GMT -5
"committed criminal acts" are the words in the letter. I know all os those words are in the letter but the order also makes a difference. Can you please quote the whole sentence that contains the phrase: "committed criminal acts"Thanks. |
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 18:44:29 GMT -5
I've wondered this too. Review has done more harm than good by posting on this site and I hope he gets a good rap over the knuckles for the way he's behaved. He hasn't shown one trait of a godly person, much less a worker, who have an even more serious responsibility and are held to higher standards (not only by us but it does say in the bible the disciples were told to 'feed my lambs and feed my sheep') There's been no feeding going on here. In fact he has been very discouraging. I'm just so glad we've had a worker in our home recently who DID show wisdom, kindness and love and restored my faith in the workers. If it was left up to Review he would push everyone out of the meetings and block anyone wanting to come back in. I am assuming a godly person acts like god. Which god should he act like? Were you expecting another flood? I have to give him/her some credit for posting at all given the 'godly' reception s/he has received. |
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 20:22:24 GMT -5
I am assuming a godly person acts like god. Which god should he act like? Were you expecting another flood? I have to give him/her some credit for posting at all given the 'godly' reception s/he has received. Try Jesus. :) When it comes to who is and who is not god the believers can't seem to reach a consensus. I'll stick with the parts of the bible that specifically identify god. |
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Post by snow on May 19, 2015 21:10:04 GMT -5
Try Jesus. When it comes to who is and who is not god the believers can't seem to reach a consensus. I'll stick with the parts of the bible that specifically identify god. No wonder you're an atheist then! |
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 21:26:44 GMT -5
When it comes to who is and who is not god the believers can't seem to reach a consensus. I'll stick with the parts of the bible that specifically identify god. No wonder you're an atheist then! I did not articulate that well! I meant when discussing god and god's traits with theists I have to go by what they claim about their god or what is available in the bible regarding god. They are not always the same! |
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Post by hberry on May 19, 2015 23:50:50 GMT -5
"committed criminal acts" are the words in the letter. I know all os those words are in the letter but the order also makes a difference. Can you please quote the whole sentence that contains the phrase: "committed criminal acts"Thanks. Have I missed it or did you not get an answer to this? Inquiring minds want to know, and all that. |
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Post by whyisitso on May 20, 2015 0:09:24 GMT -5
Sounds like Fixit, Virgo & Review had tea & scones together, then kissed & made up That's nice |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 20, 2015 0:50:42 GMT -5
Please don't scare Mr Review away. I come home from a day shovelling coal or putting jam in jars and it's good to have a laugh. He is also doing his very best to bring down the church he belongs to. But that's another story.
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