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Post by kittens on May 25, 2015 16:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on May 25, 2015 17:03:56 GMT -5
Felicity you sound like my mother. I fornicated befors marriage. Just too hot and lusty I guess. Silly me. I went to a conference yrs ago on this topic and the speaker ( forget his name) had not married. I think he was a Jew. Stated that if you fornicate before marriage that is your 'honeymoon then. '( that was true in my case)That if you wait until marriage your honeymoon will last your marriage. It had a lot to do with blessing from god. The people I know that waited even if just the female have all had/got happy marriages. ehum, Bubbles, do you think it might possibly be that all the people you know didn't divulge such sensitive private information to you? Lol...ahum D! You wouldnt believe the number of people including strangers that tell me their deepest secrets. They just pour it all out. Seriously virgins are few and far between. Im not that naiive woman!!
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Post by bubbles on May 25, 2015 17:09:20 GMT -5
Is there something really strange about me? I can see and understand Felicity's feelings about this topic but I can also see and understand Roselyn T's feelings. I know one goes to meetings and is trying to be devout and the other doesn't go to meetings anymore and can see there is a lot of problems in the fellowship. Like Felicity I also have compassion for people who have been through hard times which I haven't experienced. And like Roselyn I have been through some really tough experiences myself and would like to see things change for others sakes. Aww kittens. My advice is look for the good. Look for unity, love, hope, faith, healing, all the things Jesus is about. If you cant find these things no matter the reason then there is a problem. PS:being devout isnt where its at. Loving one another is far more of the essence.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 17:16:37 GMT -5
PS:being devout isnt where its at. Loving one another is far more of the essence. Do you not think it's possible to be both loving and devout?
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Post by emy on May 25, 2015 17:17:35 GMT -5
Wally, the problem was that the friend did not know that premarital sex is included in fornication.
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Post by bubbles on May 25, 2015 17:51:50 GMT -5
PS:being devout isnt where its at. Loving one another is far more of the essence. Do you not think it's possible to be both loving and devout? I have had issues with this word in the past. Probably because it was a label attached to Catholics. My impression was jjoyless scrubbed face/bible under arm/ marking the cross on body/head down and introverted. Devout means:- having or showing deep religious commitment. pious, religious, devoted, reverent, god fearing, spiritual, prayerful, holy, godly, saintly, faithful, dutiful, righteous,
Yes Felicity I do think one can be devout and loving. My point is my focus should be on loving others. If I focus on acting self righteous attending every meeting mission and convention or try to behave in a saintly manner with my nose in the air as though I cant do any wrong because im so devoted to church living. Remember it means 'showing'. Now if I have deep religious commitment to loving god devoted to serving him and by being faithful to him in obedience and loving others through helping giving supporting etc. My spiritual life and understanding will increase. Producing the fruit of the holy spirit.
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Post by kittens on May 25, 2015 18:05:10 GMT -5
Do you not think it's possible to be both loving and devout? I have had issues with this word in the past. Probably because it was a label attached to Catholics. My impression was jjoyless scrubbed face/bible under arm/ marking the cross on body/head down and introverted. Devout means:- having or showing deep religious commitment. pious, religious, devoted, reverent, god fearing, spiritual, prayerful, holy, godly, saintly, faithful, dutiful, righteous,
Yes Felicity I do think one can be devout and loving. My point is my focus should be on loving others. If I focus on acting self righteous attending every meeting mission and convention or try to behave in a saintly manner with my nose in the air as though I cant do any wrong because im so devoted to church living. Remember it means 'showing'. Now if I have deep religious commitment to loving god devoted to serving him and by being faithful to him in obedience and loving others through helping giving supporting etc. My spiritual life and understanding will increase. Producing the fruit of the holy spirit. 1
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Post by Roselyn T on May 25, 2015 22:43:58 GMT -5
What exactly have you told, or are planning to tell, your children regarding the will of God? Did you mean about any specific subject, or in general? It's an ongoing thing. We've been teaching them from the scriptures since they were old enough to listen. As they get older they need to understand the implications of marriage, fornication & divorce etc, which weren't things they needed to hear when they were younger. Felicity what do you tell your children about marriage, fornication & divorce ?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 25, 2015 22:58:01 GMT -5
Yes Felicity it all wonderful to think I will never rebel ! But wow life can throw us some curve balls and until we are in a situation we do not know how we will react. Its like this thread people who have never been separated or divorced are so quick to say you cannot re-marry or even divorce BUT they have not been in that place so they have no idea what they are talking about ! We all like to think when we get married that its going to last for ever especially when we marry a "professing person" but that is not always the case, there are so many grey areas. Yes I know, most of us get curve balls thrown at us one way or another. Do you think only people who have gone through an experience can have compassion for those who are suffering? I haven't personally experienced separation or divorce, but that doesn't mean I don't understand what it says in the Bible on the subject, and it certainly doesn't mean that I don't feel the utmost sympathy and compassion for those to whom the verses apply. Sure people can have compassion for what others go through, but that does not mean they understand what it is like to be in that position. Years ago I was like you & thought that I had all the answers, I made judgements on others who separated or divorced, I was raised to believe once you married it was for life no matter what. But wow it is a totally different thing when you are in the position yourself and you have to question everything you have ever been told.
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Post by bubbles on May 26, 2015 3:13:20 GMT -5
I have had issues with this word in the past. Probably because it was a label attached to Catholics. My impression was jjoyless scrubbed face/bible under arm/ marking the cross on body/head down and introverted. Devout means:- having or showing deep religious commitment. pious, religious, devoted, reverent, god fearing, spiritual, prayerful, holy, godly, saintly, faithful, dutiful, righteous,
Yes Felicity I do think one can be devout and loving. My point is my focus should be on loving others. If I focus on acting self righteous attending every meeting mission and convention or try to behave in a saintly manner with my nose in the air as though I cant do any wrong because im so devoted to church living. Remember it means 'showing'. Now if I have deep religious commitment to loving god devoted to serving him and by being faithful to him in obedience and loving others through helping giving supporting etc. My spiritual life and understanding will increase. Producing the fruit of the holy spirit. Sorry - maybe wrong choice of word. I just meant that from the few posts I've read she seems to be trying to do her best to follow what is in the bible. I know everyone on this board has different interpretations of that. I would be the last to knock someone for GENUINELY trying to do their best. I know there are some who SEEM devout in all religions who become self- righteous and judgmental and they are a royal pain who give everyone, including themselves, religious indigestion.
You dont need to apologize sweets. Haha @ royal pain and religious digestion.. I could entertain you for hrs on this subject. Not that I will. I think ive rubbed shoulders and had dealings with them all. You know what I prefer is to curl up with an old cushion. An atheist one.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:27:02 GMT -5
It's an ongoing thing. We've been teaching them from the scriptures since they were old enough to listen. As they get older they need to understand the implications of marriage, fornication & divorce etc, which weren't things they needed to hear when they were younger. Felicity what do you tell your children about marriage, fornication & divorce ? We tell them what's written in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:31:42 GMT -5
Do you not think it's possible to be both loving and devout? I have had issues with this word in the past. Probably because it was a label attached to Catholics. My impression was jjoyless scrubbed face/bible under arm/ marking the cross on body/head down and introverted. Devout means:- having or showing deep religious commitment. pious, religious, devoted, reverent, god fearing, spiritual, prayerful, holy, godly, saintly, faithful, dutiful, righteous,
Yes Felicity I do think one can be devout and loving. My point is my focus should be on loving others. If I focus on acting self righteous attending every meeting mission and convention or try to behave in a saintly manner with my nose in the air as though I cant do any wrong because im so devoted to church living. Remember it means 'showing'. Now if I have deep religious commitment to loving god devoted to serving him and by being faithful to him in obedience and loving others through helping giving supporting etc. My spiritual life and understanding will increase. Producing the fruit of the holy spirit. Ok I see where you're coming from. Maybe loving and "faithful" would be better, though I don't think "devout" was intended to mean "self-righteous"
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Post by kittens on May 26, 2015 3:43:51 GMT -5
I have had issues with this word in the past. Probably because it was a label attached to Catholics. My impression was jjoyless scrubbed face/bible under arm/ marking the cross on body/head down and introverted. Devout means:- having or showing deep religious commitment. pious, religious, devoted, reverent, god fearing, spiritual, prayerful, holy, godly, saintly, faithful, dutiful, righteous,
Yes Felicity I do think one can be devout and loving. My point is my focus should be on loving others. If I focus on acting self righteous attending every meeting mission and convention or try to behave in a saintly manner with my nose in the air as though I cant do any wrong because im so devoted to church living. Remember it means 'showing'. Now if I have deep religious commitment to loving god devoted to serving him and by being faithful to him in obedience and loving others through helping giving supporting etc. My spiritual life and understanding will increase. Producing the fruit of the holy spirit. Ok I see where you're coming from. Maybe loving and "faithful" would be better, though I don't think "devout" was intended to mean "self-righteous"
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:47:22 GMT -5
Ok I see where you're coming from. Maybe loving and "faithful" would be better, though I don't think "devout" was intended to mean "self-righteous" Yes Felicity I take that back. I don't think you're devout anymore! See post above. Relax ... it doesn't bother me either way
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Post by kittens on May 26, 2015 4:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 4:19:31 GMT -5
There seems to be so many of the friends separating and divorcing now that when you hear of another one you don't even raise an eyebrow which is sad. A lot of them are in their 20s. They have a long life ahead of them if they don't remarry and don't even have children to raise. But if they want to stay in the fellowship they can't remarry. They could go in the work if they were called which is starting to happen now. I thought in parts of America you were still able to profess if you were divorced and remarried. Has that changed? One Australian worker said the American workers were sorry they started that but not sure if that was just his way of saying it will never happen in Australia or not. That is sad. How can people be committed to God and yet break their vows to each other? There are still parts of the USA where a serious error is being made on the divorce issue.
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Post by maryhig on May 26, 2015 4:27:14 GMT -5
There seems to be so many of the friends separating and divorcing now that when you hear of another one you don't even raise an eyebrow which is sad. A lot of them are in their 20s. They have a long life ahead of them if they don't remarry and don't even have children to raise. But if they want to stay in the fellowship they can't remarry. They could go in the work if they were called which is starting to happen now. I thought in parts of America you were still able to profess if you were divorced and remarried. Has that changed? One Australian worker said the American workers were sorry they started that but not sure if that was just his way of saying it will never happen in Australia or not. That is sad. How can people be committed to God and yet break their vows to each other? There are still parts of the USA where a serious error is being made on the divorce issue. Felicity, it sounds like you have been truly blessed by God with a good marriage. Hold on with both hands, because all marriages aren't like that! I'm so glad that you haven't experienced the pain and suffering inflicted by some people in marriage. You have an innocence in you regarding this. I'm sure if most marriages were as happy as yours seems to be, there wouldn't be very many divorces. I've been with my husband for over 20 years, men like him are like gold dust! If I had of met him at 16 I'd have been with him for life! Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me! but I leave that in Gods hands!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 4:42:07 GMT -5
That is sad. How can people be committed to God and yet break their vows to each other? Felicity, it sounds like you have been truly blessed by God with a good marriage. Hold on with both hands, because all marriages aren't like that! I'm so glad that you haven't experienced the pain and suffering inflicted by some people in marriage. You have an innocence in you regarding this. I'm sure if most marriages were as happy as yours seems to be, there wouldn't be very many divorces. I've been with my husband for over 20 years, men like him are like gold dust! If I had of met him at 16 I'd have been with him for life! Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me! but I leave that in Gods hands! The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also.
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Post by maryhig on May 26, 2015 4:49:03 GMT -5
Felicity, it sounds like you have been truly blessed by God with a good marriage. Hold on with both hands, because all marriages aren't like that! I'm so glad that you haven't experienced the pain and suffering inflicted by some people in marriage. You have an innocence in you regarding this. I'm sure if most marriages were as happy as yours seems to be, there wouldn't be very many divorces. I've been with my husband for over 20 years, men like him are like gold dust! If I had of met him at 16 I'd have been with him for life! Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me! but I leave that in Gods hands! The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. Oh yes, see what you mean! You would think that would be the case wouldn't you!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 5:43:27 GMT -5
Felicity what do you tell your children about marriage, fornication & divorce ? We tell them what's written in the Bible. What I am getting at is do you tell them to marry someone "professing" ?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 5:55:24 GMT -5
Felicity, it sounds like you have been truly blessed by God with a good marriage. Hold on with both hands, because all marriages aren't like that! I'm so glad that you haven't experienced the pain and suffering inflicted by some people in marriage. You have an innocence in you regarding this. I'm sure if most marriages were as happy as yours seems to be, there wouldn't be very many divorces. I've been with my husband for over 20 years, men like him are like gold dust! If I had of met him at 16 I'd have been with him for life! Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me! but I leave that in Gods hands! The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. "The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. " [/quote] So if a marriage breaks down it must be because one of the couple isn't committed to God ? Is that what you are trying to say ?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 6:05:13 GMT -5
We tell them what's written in the Bible. What I am getting at is do you tell them to marry someone "professing" ? Oh right, well to start with, I would never tell them to get married - perhaps they might be moved to go in the work. However, I advise them if they want to get married to pray about it first, and to choose someone who is sincerely and whole-heartedly serving God and not just "professing" to be, someone who has not committed fornication in the past and does not ask them to do it ... And yes, I know, there's no guarantee that it will work for them just because it worked for me, but we live in hope
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 6:17:53 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. "The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. " If both partners have a deep commitment to God and follow the commandments of Jesus, including "love one another as I have loved you" then how would it be possible to split up? Serving God inevitably affects the way we treat each other. If one partner is unfaithful and/or becomes abusive then clearly that person has lost their commitment to God, whether they acknowledge it or not, don't you think?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 6:20:29 GMT -5
Felicity how much do you understand about mental illness ?
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Post by kittens on May 26, 2015 6:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 6:40:38 GMT -5
Felicity how much do you understand about mental illness ? Way more than I ever wanted to actually Why? What are you trying to say?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 7:07:31 GMT -5
"The point I was trying to make in the above comment was that if both people love God and are truly committed to Him, then they will reflect this love and commitment to each other and to their marriage also. " If both partners have a deep commitment to God and follow the commandments of Jesus, including "love one another as I have loved you" then how would it be possible to split up? Serving God inevitably affects the way we treat each other. If one partner is unfaithful and/or becomes abusive then clearly that person has lost their commitment to God, whether they acknowledge it or not, don't you think? So if one partner is unfaithful they have "lost their commitment to God" so in that case what does the other partner do ? Or if one partner finds out the truth about "The Truth" and all the lies does that mean they have lost their comitment to God ?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 7:24:19 GMT -5
If both partners have a deep commitment to God and follow the commandments of Jesus, including "love one another as I have loved you" then how would it be possible to split up? Serving God inevitably affects the way we treat each other. If one partner is unfaithful and/or becomes abusive then clearly that person has lost their commitment to God, whether they acknowledge it or not, don't you think? So if one partner is unfaithful they have "lost their commitment to God" so in that case what does the other partner do ? Or if one partner finds out the truth about "The Truth" and all the lies does that mean they have lost their comitment to God ? I don't think we are in agreement on what is "the truth about the Truth" and what is "lies about the Truth" so you'll have to work that one out for yourself
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