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Post by Grief on Apr 19, 2015 16:44:56 GMT -5
yesterday at 9:42pm otto2 said: Peter Liddle has contacted me and asked me to post the following:
It's unfortunate that the sentence, "One other thought, Percy was a humble man", was not included at the beginning of the paragraph quoted, as this might have made my point clearer. Jesus' words came to mind in reference to the humility we saw in Percy. I think that every one of the numerous people present at Percy's funeral - people who knew him - would say that Percy was good; but to be called good meant very little to Percy.
That Jesus is good, and that He is divine whilst partaking of flesh and blood, I don't dispute. The last sentence, "none of us are good, we all need the mercy of God, we all need the cleansing that Jesus affords, and we're grateful for the hope that we have today", should show that I believe Jesus to be sinless and therefore able to offer us cleansing.
I acknowledge that it was a misquote to say that Jesus said, "No one is good but my Father in heaven", and apologise for having caused confusion, and possibly offence.
Peter Liddle
I read this thread with deep sorrow in my heart for the shallowness of man's mercy in comparison to the greatness of God,s love and compassion upon mankind.How far short we fall in the likeness of Christ.It is very sad when the emphasis upon the funeral notes, is pin pointed to a few words misplaced in a sentence. Can we not enter into the feelings of PL. and empathize with the truly tragic loss he was experiencing. P.L. has lost a close personal friend,a brother in the faith and a companion. P.L was the person who witnessed the tragic scene of death and then attempted to resuscitate his dear friend (as we are told). With deep grief, tears and pain of sorrow, PL then had to brave himself to take part in the funeral service and stand by the graveside and witness his companion laid to rest. If we allow ourselves to enter into the grief and sadness of the situation and think of the post traumatic pain P.L was suffering from, can anyone dare cast the first stone, without condemnation felt in our own hearts. We need to reflect upon ourselves and ask the question, 'Is God,s mercy reigning within my heart'? Do I have brotherly love within me for those who are suffering and do we feel the loss or pain my neighbour maybe experiencing.Thank God for the love of Christ!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -5
Those of you that say Jesus was perfect, I'd like to know how you can believe that? He had a temper and he killed a fig tree and got bent out of shape tossing things around in the temple. Is having a temper and giving into it Godly or perfect? I think not. There would have been more 'Godly' solutions to both incidences I'm sure. But then you might be right about God's having a temper because didn't God get angry and kill everyone except Noah and his family? So we must accept that having a temper and giving in to it is a Godly thing in order to believe Jesus or even God himself is a perfect being. the bible says to be angry and sin not
Eph_4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
and then there is the thought that Gods anger is always righteous anger whereas ours is not always that way...
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 19, 2015 19:38:12 GMT -5
Peter Liddle has contacted me and asked me to post the following: It's unfortunate that the sentence, "One other thought, Percy was a humble man", was not included at the beginning of the paragraph quoted, as this might have made my point clearer. Jesus' words came to mind in reference to the humility we saw in Percy. I think that every one of the numerous people present at Percy's funeral - people who knew him - would say that Percy was good; but to be called good meant very little to Percy. That Jesus is good, and that He is divine whilst partaking of flesh and blood, I don't dispute. The last sentence, "none of us are good, we all need the mercy of God, we all need the cleansing that Jesus affords, and we're grateful for the hope that we have today", should show that I believe Jesus to be sinless and therefore able to offer us cleansing. I acknowledge that it was a misquote to say that Jesus said, "No one is good but my Father in heaven", and apologise for having caused confusion, and possibly offence. Peter Liddle I read this thread with deep sorrow in my heart for the shallowness of man's mercy in comparison to the greatness of God,s love and compassion upon mankind.How far short we fall in the likeness of Christ.It is very sad when the emphasis upon the funeral notes, is pin pointed to a few words misplaced in a sentence. Can we not enter into the feelings of PL. and empathize with the truly tragic loss he was experiencing. P.L. has lost a close personal friend,a brother in the faith and a companion. P.L was the person who witnessed the tragic scene of death and then attempted to resuscitate his dear friend (as we are told). With deep grief, tears and pain of sorrow, PL then had to brave himself to take part in the funeral service and stand by the graveside and witness his companion laid to rest. If we allow ourselves to enter into the grief and sadness of the situation and think of the post traumatic pain P.L was suffering from, can anyone dare cast the first stone, without condemnation felt in our own hearts. We need to reflect upon ourselves and ask the question, 'Is God,s mercy reigning within my heart'? Do I have brotherly love within me for those who are suffering and do we feel the loss or pain my neighbour maybe experiencing.Thank God for the love of Christ! I have much the same reaction in reading through this thread. Now, I do not know any of these people or any of the background to the thread. I find Peter Liddle's desire to apologize for any confusion or any offense he might have caused quite admirable. Gracious, even. But I personally do not think he has anything to apologize for. I cannot believe the people endlessly dissecting his few words in (what had to be a very difficult) funeral sevice in order to promote their own agendas/points of view. Why? I do not see it as Christ-like. I do not see it as kind. I do not think Jesus would really care about the labels or the theology, provided you did not miss the point. I have a 92-year-old 2X2 Aunt who would sum it up this way "The old devil is laughing up his sleeve right now." Though this is not terminology I would ever personally use, I would tend to agree.
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 19, 2015 23:48:03 GMT -5
I have much the same reaction in reading through this thread. Now, I do not know any of these people or any of the background to the thread. I find Peter Liddle's desire to apologize for any confusion or any offense he might have caused quite admirable. Gracious, even. But I personally do not think he has anything to apologize for. I cannot believe the people endlessly dissecting his few words in (what had to be a very difficult) funeral sevice in order to promote their own agendas/points of view. Why? I do not see it as Christ-like. I do not see it as kind. I do not think Jesus would really care about the labels or the theology, provided you did not miss the point. I have a 92-year-old 2X2 Aunt who would sum it up this way "The old devil is laughing up his sleeve right now." Though this is not terminology I would ever personally use, I would tend to agree. Christians generally defend the words of Jesus and who He is because they understand what He means to them. It's not our agenda - but Christ's agenda and right down through the ages Christians have vigorously defended the words of Christ. Long may they do so as the devil is constantly trying to tear down Christ and who He is. If he successful in doing that, Christ doesn't matter so much and in many cases becomes irrelevant to many. Christians have always defended the full humanity and divinity/deity of Christ while on earth. All the verses quoted on this thread about his humanity are easy to understand in the context of Christ's humanity and divinity. Many have left the 2x2's because of the workers' teaching about Jesus - some who understand the deity of Christ completely choose to stay for a variety of reasons. Who Jesus is and what we do with Him is at the very heart of Christianity. It is not a matter to be treated lightly. Here is a question for you to ponder. No, not answer. Just think about it. Maybe, just sometimes when you wake up in the middle of the night you might wonder 'Does Jesus REALLY need you to defend him?" And, what if, when you are "defending" him, with the ideas in your head (no matter how well thought out and no matter how well articulated) - you violate some of the core principles of what he lived and taught?
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2015 0:30:57 GMT -5
Who Jesus is and what we do with Him is at the very heart of Christianity. It is not a matter to be treated lightly. Here is a question for you to ponder. No, not answer. Just think about it. Maybe, just sometimes when you wake up in the middle of the night you might wonder 'Does Jesus REALLY need you to defend him?" And, what if, when you are "defending" him, with the ideas in your head (no matter how well thought out and no matter how well articulated) - you violate some of the core principles of what he lived and taught? Thankfully Trinitarians no longer torture and slaughter those who disagree with them.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 1:23:27 GMT -5
Christians generally defend the words of Jesus and who He is because they understand what He means to them. It's not our agenda - but Christ's agenda and right down through the ages Christians have vigorously defended the words of Christ. Long may they do so as the devil is constantly trying to tear down Christ and who He is. If he successful in doing that, Christ doesn't matter so much and in many cases becomes irrelevant to many. Christians have always defended the full humanity and divinity/deity of Christ while on earth. All the verses quoted on this thread about his humanity are easy to understand in the context of Christ's humanity and divinity. Many have left the 2x2's because of the workers' teaching about Jesus - some who understand the deity of Christ completely choose to stay for a variety of reasons. Who Jesus is and what we do with Him is at the very heart of Christianity. It is not a matter to be treated lightly. I agree with you RossB. Jude wrote 3-4 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.In that paragraph in the King James Bible There is a comma between deny Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. As below. "and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Separating the sentence with a comma is showing you that Jesus is Gods son and separate from God. You've missed the comma out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 1:47:07 GMT -5
Christians generally defend the words of Jesus and who He is because they understand what He means to them. It's not our agenda - but Christ's agenda and right down through the ages Christians have vigorously defended the words of Christ. Long may they do so as the devil is constantly trying to tear down Christ and who He is. If he successful in doing that, Christ doesn't matter so much and in many cases becomes irrelevant to many. Christians have always defended the full humanity and divinity/deity of Christ while on earth. All the verses quoted on this thread about his humanity are easy to understand in the context of Christ's humanity and divinity. Many have left the 2x2's because of the workers' teaching about Jesus - some who understand the deity of Christ completely choose to stay for a variety of reasons. Who Jesus is and what we do with Him is at the very heart of Christianity. It is not a matter to be treated lightly. Here is a question for you to ponder. No, not answer. Just think about it. Maybe, just sometimes when you wake up in the middle of the night you might wonder 'Does Jesus REALLY need you to defend him?" And, what if, when you are "defending" him, with the ideas in your head (no matter how well thought out and no matter how well articulated) - you violate some of the core principles of what he lived and taught? I don't think that Ross is defending Jesus. Ross is defending his interpretation of the biblical Jesus which is not quite the same thing. He has admitted himself that he used to believe in a different interpretation of the biblical Jesus, an interpretation which I'm sure he'd have defended with equal enthusiasm. Most people here believe that their interpretation of God or of Jesus is the correct one and the only correct one at that. So in this Ross is not therefore alone. I guess beauty and blindness are both in the eye of the believer. Matt10
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 1:48:19 GMT -5
In that paragraph in the King James Bible There is a comma between deny Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. As below. "and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Separating the sentence with a comma is showing you that Jesus is Gods son and separate from God. You"ve missed the comma out. The verse I quoted is from New King James version... For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, there is no comma between deny Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. It was very clear who Jude was writing about Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
No Nathan it read properly it's clear, Jesus is the son of God!
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Post by Mary on Apr 20, 2015 1:55:03 GMT -5
1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 2:01:41 GMT -5
No Nathan it read properly it's clear, Jesus is the son of God! This is much clearer, Jesus is both! Jesus is the son of God when he was begotten by the Father, and Holy Spirit and He God the Son, who has always existed from eternity. Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” God was with Jesus, he was in his heart! Jesus is with is in our hearts not were not Jesus!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 2:10:52 GMT -5
God was with Jesus, he was in his heart! Jesus is with is in our hearts not were not Jesus! Jesus/Emmanuel is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Three in ONE Godhead. All three existed before the world was created. The Father and the Son abide in our hearts.So do you pray to the holy spirit too then?
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2015 2:11:51 GMT -5
I agree with you RossB. Jude wrote 3-4 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. In that paragraph in the King James Bible There is a comma between deny Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. As below. "and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Separating the sentence with a comma is showing you that Jesus is Gods son and separate from God. You've missed the comma out. The original Greek had no commas, no punctuation at all. Most bible translations have been done by Trinitarians, so they put the punctuation where they please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 2:15:42 GMT -5
Here is a question for you to ponder. No, not answer. Just think about it. Maybe, just sometimes when you wake up in the middle of the night you might wonder 'Does Jesus REALLY need you to defend him?" And, what if, when you are "defending" him, with the ideas in your head (no matter how well thought out and no matter how well articulated) - you violate some of the core principles of what he lived and taught? Thankfully Trinitarians no longer torture and slaughter those who disagree with them. You think so? I wouldn't be so sure. I'm guarding my anonymity carefully here. Who knows what these people are capable of. If I were you I'd make sure you lock both your doors. You don't want to wake up in the night with a trinitarian bearing down on you. Matt10
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Post by penguin on Apr 20, 2015 2:17:05 GMT -5
Modern translations are more accurate than the King James. Jude 1:3-4 New International Version (NIV) 3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. I have read enough articles listing omissions of words, clauses and entire verses from what the KJV says that I no longer regard the NIV as more accurate than the King James. To the extent I choose to treat what it says with some caution.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 2:42:08 GMT -5
Jesus didn't have to ask God for help if he was God, he wouldn't have to pray to him, he wouldn't say there is only one God, God wouldn't Have to strengthen him, he wouldn't have needed the holy spirit because he is the holy spirit, he would have taught the lords prayer as our trinity not our father, God sent the comforter (Holy Spirit) in Jesus' name. So all three are separate! I married my husband and the bible says we are now one. But I'm not my husband! Jesus said in John 17:20
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
We are one with God and Christ when we love God with all our heart soul mind and strength, and our neighbour as our self. Just as Jesus did. But we are not God and we are not Christ! And neither is Jesus God!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 2:48:46 GMT -5
So do you pray to the holy spirit too then? Yes, in our Sunday morning fellowship... We pray and sing that the Holy Spirit's presence be in our midst, soften our hearts, and ears so we can receive God's instruction readily.In my prayers I pray to God my Father as Jesus taught me to! My prayers go directly from my heart, to my God who I love with all my heart!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 2:50:54 GMT -5
So do you pray to the holy spirit too then? Yes, in our Sunday morning fellowship... We pray and sing that the Holy Spirit's presence be in our midst, soften our hearts, and ears so we can receive God's instruction readily.Yes but do you pray to the holy spirit, or sing and pray to God for the holy spirit to be in your midst?
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Post by penguin on Apr 20, 2015 2:57:05 GMT -5
Yes, in our Sunday morning fellowship... We pray and sing that the Holy Spirit's presence be in our midst, soften our hearts, and ears so we can receive God's instruction readily. In my prayers I pray to God my Father as Jesus taught me to! My prayers go directly from my heart, to my God who I love with all my heart! Ditto, as per John 16, in the name of Jesus we ask the Father. Jesus taught us to pray to our Father. (as per the Lord's prayer).
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Post by withlove on Apr 20, 2015 3:02:19 GMT -5
Yes, in our Sunday morning fellowship... We pray and sing that the Holy Spirit's presence be in our midst, soften our hearts, and ears so we can receive God's instruction readily. Yes but do you pray to the holy spirit, or sing and pray to God for the holy spirit to be in your midst? Maryhig, there is a hymn that goes "Holy spirit, breathe upon us...sealed by thee are we." But other than that I can't remember any direct addresses to the holy spirit. We always asked God to give us his spirit individually and in the meetings.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 3:09:07 GMT -5
Yes but do you pray to the holy spirit, or sing and pray to God for the holy spirit to be in your midst? Maryhig, there is a hymn that goes "Holy spirit, breathe upon us...sealed by thee are we." But other than that I can't remember any direct addresses to the holy spirit. We always asked God to give us his spirit individually and in the meetings. So do we in our meetings, we pray to God and end our prayers, through our Lord Just Christ! And we pray to God for him to send his Holy Spirit into our hearts to help and guide us.
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Post by responding on Apr 20, 2015 3:10:18 GMT -5
Quote: "The RCC went the wrong way in helping others to understand the Trinity/Godhead by force and with the swords! I like how the Vaudois/Waldenese did it by love NOT by force. They posted the Trinity teachings on their Confession of Faith and, no need for killing anyone but let the readers decide for themselves."
The trinity doctrine of the God-bearing mother resulted from Mary being born without sin (as a goddess) herself. Anyone teaching trinity should know the historical background of the concept. The inquisition wasn't about trinity. Any autocratic government suppresses dissent by force.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 3:11:23 GMT -5
Yes but do you pray to the holy spirit, or sing and pray to God for the holy spirit to be in your midst? Maryhig, there is a hymn that goes "Holy spirit, breathe upon us...sealed by thee are we." But other than that I can't remember any direct addresses to the holy spirit. We always asked God to give us his spirit individually and in the meetings. Can I ask you something please, do the f&w's believe in the Trinity. I'm a bit confused, I'm reading that they do and don't on different posts? Thanks in advance
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 3:16:57 GMT -5
Quote: "The RCC went the wrong way in helping others to understand the Trinity/Godhead by force and with the swords! I like how the Vaudois/Waldenese did it by love NOT by force. They posted the Trinity teachings on their Confession of Faith and, no need for killing anyone but let the readers decide for themselves." The trinity doctrine of the God-bearing mother resulted from Mary being born without sin (as a goddess) herself. Anyone teaching trinity should know the historical background of the concept. The inquisition wasn't about trinity. Any autocratic government suppresses dissent by force.
Isn't it terrible saying Mary is Gods mother! They put Mary above Jesus. I've spoken to Catholics and they said they were told not to read the Bible just the catacism (sp) whatever that is? And they were taught to pray to Mary not God! I couldn't believe it! That's what happens when you make Jesus God, you make Mary higher than God because she's his mother! Blimey it gets confusing!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 3:26:45 GMT -5
Modern translations are more accurate than the King James. Jude 1:3-4 New International Version (NIV) 3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Yes Mary the language used by those raising questions on this thread are nothing compared to what Paul, Jude and others wrote about those who had so quickly distorted the gospel. Those who accept Christ is divine but reject His deity (how is this possible?) ultimately reject the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are labelled Trinitarians - an odd phrase which I've never really come across. As 99.9% of Christians accept that our One God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit I'd prefer just to be called a Christian. If Jesus was not God, he could not pay for our sins. If Jesus is not God, then it is completely inappropriate for us to call Him Lord, give Him our lives, to follow Him, sing His praises and worship Him. If the Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ and of God, then we do not have Christ with us as He promised. I don't think anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is God (the Son) has yet explained why they worship and praise Him? Quote: If the Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ and of God, then we do not have Christ with us as He promised. John 14 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Jesus said he will come with the Father, that doesn't sound like they are one! And that his father will love us, so not only is he our father but his Father! How can Jesus call God his Father and be God also, that doesn't make sense!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2015 3:51:39 GMT -5
Thankfully Trinitarians no longer torture and slaughter those who disagree with them. You think so? I wouldn't be so sure. I'm guarding my anonymity carefully here. Who knows what these people are capable of. If I were you I'd make sure you lock both your doors. You don't want to wake up in the night with a trinitarian bearing down on you. Matt10 Oh, my! Good lord, no!
And it all hanging on where that "comma" is in the sentence. Do be cautious everyone.
Don't open the door to just anyone.
Have a secret code word they must say before you let just anyone in.
Note:
Of course I'm sure that everyone here is aware that the man who first translated the bible into English, William Tyndale , an English scholar was burned at the stake for translating the bible into English.
Wonder if he might have got the "comma" in the wrong place?
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 3:51:57 GMT -5
Modern translations are more accurate than the King James. Jude 1:3-4 New International Version (NIV) 3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Yes Mary the language used by those raising questions on this thread are nothing compared to what Paul, Jude and others wrote about those who had so quickly distorted the gospel. Those who accept Christ is divine but reject His deity (how is this possible?) ultimately reject the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are labelled Trinitarians - an odd phrase which I've never really come across. As 99.9% of Christians accept that our One God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit I'd prefer just to be called a Christian. If Jesus was not God, he could not pay for our sins. If Jesus is not God, then it is completely inappropriate for us to call Him Lord, give Him our lives, to follow Him, sing His praises and worship Him. If the Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ and of God, then we do not have Christ with us as He promised. I don't think anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is God (the Son) has yet explained why they worship and praise Him? I don't worship Jesus, I worship God as it tells us to do right though the bible. Even Jesus himself saying so! Matthew 4 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. We should worship and serve God only! I love my Lord Jesus and all that he has done for me, but he is not God. He is the Christ, the son of the living God! Who is above all sitting at the right hand of God! Who comes into our hearts to give us strength and helps is to overcome the world, as he did. If we believe in his gospel and that he is the son of the living God! Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. God revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ and God's son! Not that Jesus is God!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:13:42 GMT -5
I don't worship Jesus, I worship God as it tells us to do right though the bible. Even Jesus himself saying so! Matthew 4 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. We should worship and serve God only! I love my Lord Jesus and all that he has done for me, but he is not God. He is the Christ, the son of the living God! Who is above all sitting at the right hand of God! Who comes into our hearts to give us strength and helps is to overcome the world, as he did. If we believe in his gospel and that he is the son of the living God! Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. God revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ and God's son! Not that Jesus is God! What do you make of the verses where Jesus was worshipped in the Bible and he accepted worship? Do you think Thomas was wrong (also Paul and others) in calling Jesus "my Lord and my God". Jesus didn't clearly think Thomas was wrong. If Jesus accepted worship and accepted being called Lord and God, why are you afraid to do the same? They saw God in him, God walked with him, they saw he was Gods son. And he was the mirror image of God! Jesus didn't say he's God he admits to bring the Christ the son of the living God! Even when they accused him of blasphemy he said 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Jesus himself said he was the son of God! Also he's saying the things he hears, he hears from God! So he can't be God as God is talking to him! John 8 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:19:09 GMT -5
Quote: If the Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ and of God, then we do not have Christ with us as He promised. John 14 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Jesus said he will come with the Father, that doesn't sound like they are one! And that his father will love us, so not only is he our father but his Father! How can Jesus call God his Father and be God also, that doesn't make sense! Mary - no-one here is saying that the Father and the Son are the one person. They clearly are not! The triune nature of our God is wonderful and majestic to hold - it is not totally possible to understand it with human hearts. But it is impossible to reconcile what is happening in the Bible unless we accept that there is One God in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So Jesus isn't God now then?
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