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Post by maryhig on Apr 7, 2015 4:36:06 GMT -5
Frankly I doubt I will ever see a Worker "abusing" a child at convention. And frankly, the statistics I gave above are not seen as abuse by a growing percentage of the population. I see the clamor over child sex abuse in the professions a sort of foil for the growing abuse of children within society in general. Bert you still have not answered the question, if you knew a child was being abused by a worker at convention would you report it to the authorities ? You obviously are not aware of the amount of children that have been abused at convention on pack-up day !! Stop avoiding a straight question Bert, either yes or no will do Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 4:56:42 GMT -5
Bert you still have not answered the question, if you knew a child was being abused by a worker at convention would you report it to the authorities ? You obviously are not aware of the amount of children that have been abused at convention on pack-up day !! Stop avoiding a straight question Bert, either yes or no will do Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it! In this world we are living in self preservation weighs heavily. People fear repercussions, that is why many do not get involved when they should; the see and don't see attitude, a dead man/woman tell no tales, sort of thing.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 7, 2015 5:00:24 GMT -5
Frankly I doubt I will ever see a Worker "abusing" a child at convention. And frankly, the statistics I gave above are not seen as abuse by a growing percentage of the population. I see the clamor over child sex abuse in the professions a sort of foil for the growing abuse of children within society in general. Frankly I doubt I will ever see a Worker "abusing" a child at convention. And frankly, the statistics I gave above are not seen as abuse by a growing percentage of the population. I see the clamor over child sex abuse in the professions a sort of foil for the growing abuse of children within society in general. Well, Frankly, Bert, do you think that you are going to see a worker or anyone else "abusing" a child at convention?
Do you think that anyone is going to do it out in the open where you can see them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 5:06:19 GMT -5
Frankly I doubt I will ever see a Worker "abusing" a child at convention. And frankly, the statistics I gave above are not seen as abuse by a growing percentage of the population. I see the clamor over child sex abuse in the professions a sort of foil for the growing abuse of children within society in general. Frankly I doubt I will ever see a Worker "abusing" a child at convention. And frankly, the statistics I gave above are not seen as abuse by a growing percentage of the population. I see the clamor over child sex abuse in the professions a sort of foil for the growing abuse of children within society in general. Well, Frankly, Bert, do you think that you are going to see a worker or anyone else "abusing" a child at convention?
Do you think that anyone is going to do it out in the open where you can see them?
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 7, 2015 5:08:43 GMT -5
Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it! In this world we are living in self preservation weighs heavily. People fear repercussions, that is why many do not get involved when they should; the see and don't see attitude, a dead man/woman tell no tales, sort of thing. Sorry partaker for asking another question, but what repercussions can there be for reporting Child Abuse? I'm a bit confused. The only thing that can happen is that the perpetrators go to prison! Why would there be a see and don't see attitude?
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Post by maryhig on Apr 7, 2015 5:12:43 GMT -5
Well, Frankly, Bert, do you think that you are going to see a worker or anyone else "abusing" a child at convention?
Do you think that anyone is going to do it out in the open where you can see them?
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean. May God forgive me for saying this, turning a blind eye wouldn't be an option for me, if i saw someone doing that to a child I think I'd wallop them with whatever was at hand and then call the police! It's disgusting to do that to a child! I couldn't care less who they are!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 7, 2015 5:53:57 GMT -5
Bert you still have not answered the question, if you knew a child was being abused by a worker at convention would you report it to the authorities ? You obviously are not aware of the amount of children that have been abused at convention on pack-up day !! Stop avoiding a straight question Bert, either yes or no will do Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it! I agree child abuse can not be allowed for any reason! I am asking Bert because he will not give a straight answer and has stated that going to the police is a last resort, which I totally disagree with. There seems still to be a belief amongst some of the workers & friends that if they know a child is being abused they cover it up or try to deal with it amongst themselves. Bert seems to be a fence-sitter on this issue but is so concerned about what people watch on TV !
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Post by fixit on Apr 7, 2015 6:49:19 GMT -5
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean. May God forgive me for saying this, turning a blind eye wouldn't be an option for me, if i saw someone doing that to a child I think I'd wallop them with whatever was at hand and then call the police! It's disgusting to do that to a child! I couldn't care less who they are! The need for forgiveness would be greater if you turned a blind eye.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 7:02:06 GMT -5
In this world we are living in self preservation weighs heavily. People fear repercussions, that is why many do not get involved when they should; the see and don't see attitude, a dead man/woman tell no tales, sort of thing. Sorry partaker for asking another question, but what repercussions can there be for reporting Child Abuse? I'm a bit confused. The only thing that can happen is that the perpetrators go to prison! Why would there be a see and don't see attitude? The fear of being ostracized and shunned by some others for spilling the beans and thereby gaining enemies for doing so as a "squealer." You seems to forget that we are not all level- headed individuals with strong morals as to what is right and honorable spiritually in the sight of God, and is fair to our brethren, and be willing to stand up and be counted in, come what may.
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Post by fixit on Apr 7, 2015 7:02:12 GMT -5
I thought I DID answer the question. In this country you can get into trouble for smacking a child. Been cases of people reported for smacking in public - if I was reported I would feel a really strong urge to take a look at the people who reported ME. And a statistic to cover what I wrote about the lady who didn't care what sex shows her kids were watching 50% of parents polled don’t monitor what their children watch on TV, up from 20% just 15 years earlier. Australian Research Alliance for Children and Youth, Dec 7th 2011Is that child abuse? And some more... About 47% of children now belong to single parent "families" Homeless children have doubled in the past three years Teenage binge drinking doubled in 6 years 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years. 30.2% of teenagers have sold, consumed or been offered drugs in the past year 30% increase in children on Care and Protection Orders in six years. 2008 Queensland figures reveal a 2000% (two thousand) rise in the rate of juvenile sex attacks in less than 10 years. 25% of Australian children under the age of 14 have had sex. 30% increase in sexual activity and drinking for year 12 girls since 2002. (Australian Research Centre for Sex, Health and Society.) 40% increase in domestic violence reported in Victoria in 5 years (1996-2012) Victorian Police report Feb 2012. UNH Crimes against Children Research Center (CCRC) 2009. Three out of five children were exposed to violence, abuse or a criminal victimization in the last year, including 46 percent who had been physically assaulted, 10 percent who had been maltreated by a caregiver, 6 percent who had been sexually victimized, and 10 percent who had witnessed an assault within their family. Drug addicted babies tripled in ten years. 2012 Journal American Medical Assoc.. Juvenile male assaults more than doubled in ten years (1527 in 2000-2001 to 3776 in 2009-2010) Vic Children Court stats. Do you think a moral decline in wider society justifies a moral decline in workers and friends?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 7:11:33 GMT -5
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean. May God forgive me for saying this, turning a blind eye wouldn't be an option for me, if i saw someone doing that to a child I think I'd wallop them with whatever was at hand and then call the police! It's disgusting to do that to a child! I couldn't care less who they are! The unfair thing is that you would then open yourself to a charge of common assault by taking the law into your own hands; and that would probably gain you a criminal record for assault and battery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 7:21:52 GMT -5
I thought I DID answer the question. In this country you can get into trouble for smacking a child. Been cases of people reported for smacking in public - if I was reported I would feel a really strong urge to take a look at the people who reported ME. And a statistic to cover what I wrote about the lady who didn't care what sex shows her kids were watching 50% of parents polled don’t monitor what their children watch on TV, up from 20% just 15 years earlier. Australian Research Alliance for Children and Youth, Dec 7th 2011Is that child abuse? And some more... About 47% of children now belong to single parent "families" Homeless children have doubled in the past three years Teenage binge drinking doubled in 6 years 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years. 30.2% of teenagers have sold, consumed or been offered drugs in the past year 30% increase in children on Care and Protection Orders in six years. 2008 Queensland figures reveal a 2000% (two thousand) rise in the rate of juvenile sex attacks in less than 10 years. 25% of Australian children under the age of 14 have had sex. 30% increase in sexual activity and drinking for year 12 girls since 2002. (Australian Research Centre for Sex, Health and Society.) 40% increase in domestic violence reported in Victoria in 5 years (1996-2012) Victorian Police report Feb 2012. UNH Crimes against Children Research Center (CCRC) 2009. Three out of five children were exposed to violence, abuse or a criminal victimization in the last year, including 46 percent who had been physically assaulted, 10 percent who had been maltreated by a caregiver, 6 percent who had been sexually victimized, and 10 percent who had witnessed an assault within their family. Drug addicted babies tripled in ten years. 2012 Journal American Medical Assoc.. Juvenile male assaults more than doubled in ten years (1527 in 2000-2001 to 3776 in 2009-2010) Vic Children Court stats. Do you think a moral decline in wider society justifies a moral decline in workers and friends? The question is not addressed to me, but my answer would be it does not justify it, but it might certainly influence it. Workers and friends like to think that they are not of this world, but they are in this world and are in many ways influenced by the trends in this world. How can we possibly isolate ourselves and totally avoid these things, we can't live in bubbles no matter how we pretend to be able to do so. Modern technology brings it right into our homes and our lives and friends and workers have access to modern technology.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 7, 2015 7:31:48 GMT -5
Sorry partaker for asking another question, but what repercussions can there be for reporting Child Abuse? I'm a bit confused. The only thing that can happen is that the perpetrators go to prison! Why would there be a see and don't see attitude? The fear of being ostracized and shunned by some others for spilling the beans and thereby gaining enemies for doing so as a "squealer." You seems to forget that we are not all level- headed individuals with strong morals as to what is right and honorable spiritually in the sight of God, and is fair to our brethren, and be willing to stand up and be counted in, come what may. Well they're not following Jesus then! He was cast out by the Jew's for doing what he believed was right and then lost his life! He did what was right and was crucified for it. In his heart God was more important to him than man. He didn't care about being shunned! There's no way that child abuse should be covered up! And if a person covers that up not only are they sinning against God but they are breaking the law! Poor children! What's the world coming to?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 7:56:04 GMT -5
maryhig, I am so thankful that you see things the way many of us that no longer go to meeting see things. They will answer to God and so will those that stand by and do nothing for the abused.
There are many on this board that still go to meeting and do nothing about abuse because that have a greater fear of man than of God. How sad is that. I was abused as a child and got to the place were I could no longer stand by and watch workers and friends knowingly cove up abuse.
There was a family in our meeting that were abusing and neglecting their children. There were questions of sexual abuse among their children. The friends and workers were aware of this situation for years before we moved to the area. When we tried to get our elder and the workers to help us do something about this situation, I was told I could not "save all the children in the world" by a sister worker. I told her I was not trying to save all the children of the world just, the children in our meeting. The elder and his wife would have nothing to do with this situation. The workers finally did report it to the authorities and then notified us to make our own report. Then let all the friends in the area believe we made the only report. They never admitted to anyone they made the first report. Is that lying? It is in my book. That was the being of the end for my family in meeting. "Truth" that my husband and I both grew up in.
I have tried to educate workers and friend on the life long effects of abuse. I feel my efforts have fallen on deaf ears.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 8:15:26 GMT -5
The fear of being ostracized and shunned by some others for spilling the beans and thereby gaining enemies for doing so as a "squealer." You seems to forget that we are not all level- headed individuals with strong morals as to what is right and honorable spiritually in the sight of God, and is fair to our brethren, and be willing to stand up and be counted in, come what may. Well they're not following Jesus then! He was cast out by the Jew's for doing what he believed was right and then lost his life! He did what was right and was crucified for it. In his heart God was more important to him than man. He didn't care about being shunned! There's no way that child abuse should be covered up! And if a person covers that up not only are they sinning against God but they are breaking the law! Poor children! What's the world coming to. Yes there is much Truth in what you have written , whenever I portray Jesus as our example, someone is often times quick to remind me that He was perfect and that we are not. We all come short and have a long way to go. What is the world coming to? Much nearer to the end than it was previously, and I believe that it is wriiten that it will get even worse, not better spiritually speaking.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 7, 2015 8:25:08 GMT -5
maryhig, I am so thankful that you see things the way many of us that no longer go to meeting see things. They will answer to God and so will those that stand by and do nothing for the abused. There are many on this board that still go to meeting and do nothing about abuse because that have a greater fear of man than of God. How sad is that. I was abused as a child and got to the place were I could no longer stand by and watch workers and friends knowingly cove up abuse. There was a family in our meeting that were abusing and neglecting their children. There were questions of sexual abuse among their children. The friends and workers were aware of this situation for years before we moved to the area. When we tried to get our elder and the workers to help us do something about this situation, I was told I could not "save all the children in the world" by a sister worker. I told her I was not trying to save all the children of the world just, the children in our meeting. The elder and his wife would have nothing to do with this situation. The workers finally did report it to the authorities and then notified us to make our own report. Then let all the friends in the area believe we made the only report. They never admitted to anyone they made the first report. Is that lying? It is in my book. That was the being of the end for my family in meeting. "Truth" that my husband and I both grew up in. I have tried to educate workers and friend on the life long effects of abuse. I feel my efforts have fallen on deaf ears. Oh Marie that's awful, I don't know what to say! This should never be covered up. That worker was so wrong to say about not saving all the children, it's true you can't save them all but you have to save as many a you can. And if you see it happening under your nose you put a stop to it! Jesus didn't just go along with his people who where the Jews, when he saw them defiling the temple he turned the tables over! And that's what we should do, not go along with it! Jesus loved children, he said " Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." What do you think God will be like if people don't stick up for innocent abused children? Considering that they are like the God's people in heaven! It's wrong to cover it up, no matter what you lose!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 8:44:05 GMT -5
We have lost. Family and those we thought were friends. I have also lost my trust in any organized religion. I do have a new found sense of peace that God is my judge, not workers or friends for who I always made me feel judged, and found wanting.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 9:07:49 GMT -5
Bert you still have not answered the question, if you knew a child was being abused by a worker at convention would you report it to the authorities ? You obviously are not aware of the amount of children that have been abused at convention on pack-up day !! Stop avoiding a straight question Bert, either yes or no will do :) Is pack-up day that dangerous an environment? Your comment implies that it is somewhat of an epidemic of child molestation. I have never seen this mentioned on these threads. Perhaps you can enlighten readers of this problem. How many of these cases have been reported to the authorities? How many have not been reported?
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 9:29:43 GMT -5
What's the world coming to? Mostly to the realization of the damage caused by child abuse and the benefit of bringing it out into the open. As a result child abuse is on the decline. Some studies show a 50% decline in the past 20 years. It is at the point where the moral panic surrounding child abuse has interfered with the possibility of children leading normal lives and being able to experience the freedom that many of us knew while growing up. Unfortunately, although the rate of child abuse is falling the over-protective tendencies are depriving children of their childhood. Case in point: Maryland parents investigated for letting their young children walk home by themselves from a park were found responsible for “unsubstantiated” child neglect in a decision that has not fully resolved their clash with authorities over questions of parenting and children’s safety. Read more here.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 9:39:54 GMT -5
Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it! This is not true. There have been many cases discussed here where the parents were told/asked by the workers not to report the abuse but it would be dealt with by the workers. In some cases the offender was said to have repented and promised to ....whatever. In cases like the one related bu JEAN the parents knew of the abuse, according to JEAN actually discovered IH and JEAN in a compromising situation, and blamed the child. If the offenders are on a high enough pedestal and considered beyond reproach the people who believe in them will let it slide by and hope god will take care of it. In the past many have posted that they were aware of various cases of abuse and were glad when the worker(s) responsible were finally reported to the authorities. Not many people questioned why, if 'everyone knew about it', not one of those 'everyones' reported it.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 7, 2015 10:30:37 GMT -5
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean. May God forgive me for saying this, turning a blind eye wouldn't be an option for me, if i saw someone doing that to a child I think I'd wallop them with whatever was at hand and then call the police! It's disgusting to do that to a child! I couldn't care less who they are! Haha@wallop.. me too.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 7, 2015 10:41:29 GMT -5
maryhig, I am so thankful that you see things the way many of us that no longer go to meeting see things. They will answer to God and so will those that stand by and do nothing for the abused. There are many on this board that still go to meeting and do nothing about abuse because that have a greater fear of man than of God. How sad is that. I was abused as a child and got to the place were I could no longer stand by and watch workers and friends knowingly cove up abuse. There was a family in our meeting that were abusing and neglecting their children. There were questions of sexual abuse among their children. The friends and workers were aware of this situation for years before we moved to the area. When we tried to get our elder and the workers to help us do something about this situation, I was told I could not "save all the children in the world" by a sister worker. I told her I was not trying to save all the children of the world just, the children in our meeting. The elder and his wife would have nothing to do with this situation. The workers finally did report it to the authorities and then notified us to make our own report. Then let all the friends in the area believe we made the only report. They never admitted to anyone they made the first report. Is that lying? It is in my book. That was the being of the end for my family in meeting. "Truth" that my husband and I both grew up in. I have tried to educate workers and friend on the life long effects of abuse. I feel my efforts have fallen on deaf ears. Marie I commend you for your courage in standing up for what is right.
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Post by mdm on Apr 7, 2015 11:10:53 GMT -5
In this world we are living in self preservation weighs heavily. People fear repercussions, that is why many do not get involved when they should; the see and don't see attitude, a dead man/woman tell no tales, sort of thing. Sorry partaker for asking another question, but what repercussions can there be for reporting Child Abuse? I'm a bit confused. The only thing that can happen is that the perpetrators go to prison! Why would there be a see and don't see attitude? Dear sister-church friend, one may lose their good reputation in the church, they may be shunned by fellow church members and become outcasts.
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Post by mdm on Apr 7, 2015 11:39:50 GMT -5
Bert you still have not answered the question, if you knew a child was being abused by a worker at convention would you report it to the authorities ? You obviously are not aware of the amount of children that have been abused at convention on pack-up day !! Stop avoiding a straight question Bert, either yes or no will do Hi Isobel, can you tell me something please? what is it with workers etc, are the friends and others in the fellowship not allowed to report sexual abuse of children to the police? I'm sure that can't be so? If they can't tell the police why not? Child Abuse can't be allowed, for any reason. And if a worker is abusing a child he/she isn't of God. They should be dealt with accordingly! I hope you don't mind me asking, I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep asking Bert if he would report it. Any human being in their right mind would report it! The traditional world-wide 2x2 church doctrine is that sins of the workers should be covered up (not exposed) in order to "protect the Truth," or because they believe that they "should not expose sins of one another" (workers protecting each other) and because of belief that these things should be handled within the church - by the ministry of course, not the regular members. There is also the element of seeing the workers as the "anointed ones" and of fear of doing anything against them or against their instruction, or even without their instruction. Therefore, it would be hard for a regular member to report an "anointed" one to police or to go against the instructions of "anointed ones." Another aspect is that the traditional view held by the workers of sexual immorality and abuse, including CSA, is that the problem is with the child or woman, not with the worker committing immorality or abuse. Therefore, the solution is to remove the offending worker away from the problem child/woman - to another part of the country or to another country. Some workers have been removed from the work for CSA, but they were not reported to police. Known CSA offenders are usually allowed to remain in the church without any repercussions (except for maybe losing their place in the ministry). The workers in the US have only recently woken up to the fact that they are mandatory reporters. This legal pressure is slowly changing the doctrine of covering up child abuse. Internet exposure of CSA issues within the church is helping too.
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Post by snow on Apr 7, 2015 12:06:03 GMT -5
No is the obvious answer, but one can always turn a blind eye- see and don't see- you know what I mean. May God forgive me for saying this, turning a blind eye wouldn't be an option for me, if i saw someone doing that to a child I think I'd wallop them with whatever was at hand and then call the police! It's disgusting to do that to a child! I couldn't care less who they are! I read on another thread that when a worker in Australia stood up and spoke against CSA and advocated reporting etc., they were kicked out of the status of worker. So as it stands, if you believe you are in the only true religion and being a member in good standing in that religion is needed to be saved, you can see why many who believe this are reluctant to get involved. There is a very big possibility if you report you will not be believed and labelled as a trouble maker, and then the shunning begins. You can also be excommunicated by the sounds of it if you get too aggressive about it. Not always, but I guess that there has been just enough that it 'puts others off reporting'. You read kittens post on another thread where we were discussing rape and CSA and her own mother didn't believe her and threatened to 'flog' her if she continued lying about what the workers were doing to her at 11 years old. So there does seem to be a reluctance to get involved because of repercussions. I have a hard time understanding why Bert can't answer a straight question in this regard unless he is afraid of repercussions? I would still like an answer to what he would do to someone he came across molesting a child and the molester was a worker. He says he would take the matter into his own hands and not report initially, but only as a 'last resort'. What I would like to know is what he would do 'initially'? No answer yet.
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Post by mdm on Apr 7, 2015 12:40:02 GMT -5
The traditional world-wide 2x2 church doctrine is that sins of the workers should be covered up (not exposed) in order to "protect the Truth," or because they believe that they "should not expose sins of one another" (workers protecting each other) and because of belief that these things should be handled within the church - by the ministry of course, not the regular members. There is also the element of seeing the workers as the "anointed ones" and of fear of doing anything against them or against their instruction, or even without their instruction. Therefore, it would be hard for a regular member to report an "anointed" one to police or to go against the instructions of "anointed ones." Another aspect is that the traditional view held by the workers of sexual immorality and abuse, including CSA, is that the problem is with the child or woman, not with the worker committing immorality or abuse. Therefore, the solution is to remove the offending worker away from the problem child/woman - to another part of the country or to another country. Some workers have been removed from the work for CSA, but they were not reported to police. Known CSA offenders are usually allowed to remain in the church without any repercussions (except for maybe losing their place in the ministry). The workers in the US have only recently woken up to the fact that they are mandatory reporters. This legal pressure is slowly changing the doctrine of covering up child abuse. Internet exposure of CSA issues within the church is helping too. Most of the workers and the friends in the past had little knowledge or understanding of Pedophile disease and CSA wickedness. Some of us in the fellowship had to warn them about this 15 yrs ago. I am thankful the workers, the friends in USA have taken CSA seriously with the help from the law of the land and that is a mandatory to report it to the authority. I believe we will stop CSA from growing within the ministry and among the friends.One doesn't have to be an expert in psychology and understand all the implications of CSA or be able to diagnose a pedophile in order to react strongly against CSA. The problem is that neither CSA nor adult sexual abuse nor sexual immorality have a shock value for overseers. They see it all as immorality, and immorality has no shock value to them. Overseers think that physically engaging in sexual activity is akin to accidentally stepping on a banana peel and slipping. You made a full of yourself by slipping and falling, but hey, it can happen to anyone, so you just pick yourself up, brush off your clothes and keep walking, pretending that nothing has happened. The overseership is made up of the immoral and their enablers. If there was one upright among them, he would stand up to all of them and say: ENOUGH.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 14:05:29 GMT -5
Most of the workers and the friends in the past had little knowledge or understanding of Pedophile disease and CSA wickedness. I don't believe any of the convicted workers have ever been diagnosed as pedophiles. Saying the workers have a disease, pedophilia, just provides an excuse - "Oh, Joe has a disease and is not responsible for his actions. You have to forgive him - it is not his fault." They are criminals that abuse. The reason they do it is not the issue. The biggest issue is why aren't they reported?
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Post by fixit on Apr 7, 2015 15:55:11 GMT -5
I don't believe any of the convicted workers have ever been diagnosed as pedophiles. Saying the workers have a disease, pedophilia, just provides an excuse - "Oh, Joe has a disease and is not responsible for his actions. You have to forgive him - it is not his fault." They are criminals that abuse. The reason they do it is not the issue. The biggest issue is why aren't they reported? They weren't reported because the workers for MANY years believed, these people could get over it through prayers and self denial.You might be on to something there Nathan. Sort of like blaming the problem on demons that can be driven out through prayer and self denial?
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